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Anybody underwhelmed? Now impressed!

I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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having seen 2 different N7 2013 units already, i'd say the screen is a lottery just like it was with the 1st model. yellow tint, contrast setting and scroll blur will vary on each one. btw i never understood the reviews that go into some major details about the screen, like anandtech for example. don't get me wrong, their reviews are amazing but those screen technicalities are not worth anything seeing how the review unit will be different to any actual unit on the store shelves.

Cubfan99 said:
I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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1. Do you play graphics/processor intensive games? The new processor crushes the old one. I don't recommend the upgrade if smoother swiping between screens is all you're looking for.
2. Again, if you are content with the old resolution... stick with that. Clearly, the majority of reviewers and myself personally are in love with the screen. When I use my GS3 now, I cringe.
3. That's great that you like the old thickness. Sounds like an issue with your expectations.... Not the device itself.
4. You have a point here.
5. You should have known this prior to buying the device.... How can you be underwhelmed by a feature you already knew you didn't want...
6. Never had this happen on the two 32 g models I've used.
TL;DR You're doing it wrong. Stop hating on the device because your expectations are off... Doesn't sound like what you need out of a tablet demands a new Nexus 7... you can't blame the tablet for that.
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Well the reason it takes longer to charge is the old nexus 7 came with a 2 amp charger and the new one only has a 1.3 amp

I for one LOVE the new screen, if you can't see the difference then your in the minority.
An $85 older Nexus 7 is a great value. Just keep it and return the New Nexus, if you do think it worth the premium to you.

I love everything about the New Nexus 7. It is what I expected from Google/Asus and they delivered. What else do you want them to do at the $229 price point? Google has put in a nice 1080p display, underclocked S600 processor, 2gig of ram, 5ghz wifi and the memory subsystem has been approved over the original. My only real criticism is the lack of SD card slot but that is true for any Google device. This is not the perfect tablet and people have to put their expectations in check.
Can anyone compare another $229 tablet to this one? Even the $400 Note 8 gets beat buy this and I'm a Note 2 owner.

I mean for all that are reading this and don't have one yet the truth is this. Should you upgrade? Hell yes!!!! Now when is the question to you I sold my 16gb gen1 for 170 a week ago came with cases so to spend 40 bucks to get the new one is nothing. Even if its 60 dollars its worth it. Think about how much apple fanboys spend to upgrade every year. The new nexus is better in every way possible.
Now if you happy with the old I understand most people are probably using this for reading stuff so the first one is fine. I just never really liked the first design wise
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I still have yet to see the new Nexus 7. I hadn't used my OG Nexus for probably 2 months and, now that I am again, I'm realizing how "good enough" it is. I'm going to have to see the new one to really convince myself to drop $270 on the 32gb.
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its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.

This gen is deff better then last gen i wasnt really liking how it felt on the first one this one feels and looks alot better
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its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.
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We already know its not just an S4 pro. Basically a binned and under clocked 600
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I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2

It's underwhelming when you compare it against the high expectations of the first Nexus 7.
The original Nexus 7 made an absolute joke of all the other mfg's 7"-8" tablets at their existing price point. The ONLY reason you'd buy something other than a Nexus 7 was if you wanted micro sd card support - otherwise the specs were no contest. And why should they? Google was working on razor thin margins for the hardware compared to mfgs.
If you go to a box store and look at the new N7, and then look at all the other 7" tablets, everything else is still a joke and it's far from underwhelming. Google stated that they were making a profit on this one, but my guess is that a big part of this is being able to leverage Motorola's buying power/agreements to reduce individual component cost. Best buy is making a 3.5% margin on the new nexus 7 (8-9.4USD). - it barely makes sense to take up the floor space to sell the damn things and I'd wager that most other box retailers are not doing much better.
OT
It'd be genius if someone from BB knew that staples was running the tablet coupon of $30 off and launched early to cause staples to take a loss on their inventory ($~20 per unit).

Cubfan99 said:
I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2
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I can understand that, especially after you mentioned picking up the 2012 Nexus 7 for $85 off Craig's list.
People here are gadget geeks and and spec-mongers, always wanting the latest and greatest (me included). Some of its get a little defensive if someone seen to put down our device of choice.

No I am not underwhelmed overall, but I am by the lack of optimization in the games I care about... The funny thing is the old N7 smokes this devices in both GTA3 and Vice City... go ahead, try and max out the settings, I dare any of you. Now I know this device is significantly more powerful but the bottom line is real world performance and I believe the OP raises a valid point: there isn't a significant difference.
Source: I've owned an N4 since launch (and now an N7.2) and had a friend's OG N7 for a couple weeks when they were out of town.

Yeah maybe the upgrade isn't worth an extra $150 over the 1st gen you just got, but it is still an upgrade and we want the latest and so most people are willing to pay the premium for that.
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This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.

Personally my first gen doesn't come close to touching my new one. Everything is so much faster, smoother and instant. Thanks to the extra RAM it doesn't get crippled when running lots of apps or updating. Can't believe anyone could use both devices and not come away thinking the new one is an upgrade and a half.
Oh, and the screen is flipping fantastic, my GS3 takes a second to get used to when switching directly between the two.
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mi7chy said:
This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.
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Yeah, a shame to clutter a general discussion forum with discussion.
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Well if chime, by the time your ready for an upgrade the og n7 will be worth peanuts

Who's getting one and why?

Hey all
So the latest Nexus smartphone has gone big! Not only in size, but expected retail price. How do other members feel this stacks up with other devices? Say the Samsung Note 4 or Huawei mate 7? Is sticking to a Quad-core processor a wise choice, as so many flagships are touting an Octa-Core?
As with Nexus devices, this latest model also does not feature a micro SD card slot, for me a big omission and one reason i myself have avoided the nexus series, is this a big deal for others?
We also see a move towards AMOLED screen technology, personally i really like the vibrant colors and bright display AMOLED brings, but how do others feel about this change?
Who will be grabbing a Nexus 6 and why take this over the competition? Would also like to hear comments from those coming from the Nexus 5, is the screen size just to big a jump?
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I am getting 64gb because,
It is motorola made
It is google device
It is premium
It is top end specced
It is future proof with developer support.

I'll Eventually get one Because :
Nexus 5 is cracking up around the body.
Nexus 6 will have a metal body and wont crack up.
I can trim off an Inch of the screen to make it a better nexus 5

Nexus, that is all.

I'm thinking about upgrading my Nexus 5, but the screen size may have me back off.

I would love it but the screen is too big... I'll proally buy it tho, just cause its a nexus

IRX120 said:
I would love it but the screen is too big... I'll proally buy it tho, just cause its a nexus
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It's water resistant, if you think it's too big - use it as your umbrella as well!

I'm an Android Nut. So obv I love the Nexus Line for all of the right reasons...
But this one has my heart for Few reasons...
Phablet
QHD Screen
Snapdragon 805
3gb RAM (with stock Android... Wow)
Moto Made
SO MANY LTE bands (even band 12 on T-Mobile)
Obv great & long lasting development support
I recently ditched VZW for T-Mobile. Loving it. Have the G3, which is awesome. BUT, wet all know pure Android is where is at. SO, hard to pass this up. Plus I can use my JUMP program to get it, so as long as I put some money down up front, the larger price tag doesn't really affect me (all at once). I love phablets, went from Note 3 on VZW, to this G3. So the size isn't necessarily a hurdle for me.
Mostly tho, it's Lollipop. Biggest & best update to Android yet. And T-Mobile won't mess with the update process. So that's honestly why. Because there's absolutely nothing wrong with my G3. But I'ma nerd, and I want A nexus! Haha

My reason is that I want to move to a bigger form factor and also have the ability to have stock, vanilla Android without bloat. The funny thing is that all those that complain about the price never seem to bring up the expense of the Note 3 or other phones. With those you have serious bloat and no ability outside of root to weed it out. Don't forget you don't have to wait 3 to 6 months to get the latest Android update. Those things taken into account and the Nexus 6 looks like a pretty good deal.

Samsung kept delaying the note 4 in the UK so that it would arrive next Saturday when im leaving to Florida for a week.
So i though F**k it when the N6 was announced as it is cheaper and my warranty will not be void day 1
Although the N6 may be behind on some things, battery life, micro sd card slot and camera.

I love Nexus and have always been disappointed in the cheap feel of the N5. With the spec of the N6, its my total fantasy of an awesome phone.

Upgrading from my GNex, first time I felt it was worthy, second I'm still on VZ.
Will pull trigger after handling one in store though.
As to size, unsure yet, but anythign out there now is a bit bigger than what I came from, however I fall in line with most of the other answers:
future dev support
larger
nexus
Pure Android bliss.
While I hated moto under the JhaTool for how they locked everything down, one really cant argue - moto makes terrific HW, radios specifically.
It's likely going to happen foe me.

Because it's the next nexus...

Great phone and this community can not be beat!!

Getting Blue 64gb:
It is motorolo (I had a StarTac )
It is google 2014
It is premium
It is highend specs
It has XDA developer support!

I was going to get a phone and a tablet but why now when I can saving money and only need one device with an unmatched development community?
I've had two notes. Never removed the battery once, but I did use the SD card. With 64 gigs though, I won't need a card. I also used the MultiWindows and pen windows a lot but now I can get those features from Xposed with TouchWiz bloat and ugliness. There's nothing else the Note offers me. Maybe a slightly better camera (we'll see), but that's not a priority of mine.
The Mate 7 looked awesome, and I considered it over the Nexus, but it will have little to no development, and is only a little cheaper.

To utilize my jump. Might as well jump every six months since I'm paying for it.
And it's a nice device. I miss Motorola from three flip phone days. They always had good hardware.
G3

I haven't had a Motorola phone since the Bionic. Since then I've had the Note 2 and Note 3. I love them, but now that Moto has made a big phone, I'm really excited. Even though it's not really a productivity one.
And I've never had a Nexus, so this is perfect. Big screen like I like, quality Moto, and I can get it through a carrier.
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I was thinking about buying a Note 4 or the Note Edge, but this phone just looks amazing. I also want the biggest phone I can fit in my pocket and the fact that it will be unlocked or unlockable on Verizon also got me. The fact that it already will ship with Lollipop is better yet and will get the latest updates is another reason. I can't stand being locked down as I would be with the Samsung devices on Verizon and I can't switch to Tmobile because they have NO service in my area. This phone is gorgeous and has every specification I could ever ask for. I never used the stupid pen on my Note 2 and I never used the split screen either. I also think the price is fantastic all things considered, even though for some reason so many people are complaining about it. Nexus 6, 64gb, probably white, here I come. I never thought I would say this. Nexus got me with this phone.

My Nexus 5 got jacked few months back!! and I loved it. I was going to buy another but I held back and so I thought, I'd wait for the N6 to release before making my next purchase, I'm still reluctant though due to no known UK price but I had budgeted £450 for the release. But even this is looking unlikely with conversion from USD with VAT. So if I'm going to have to spend more, I really need to see reviews and maybe it in real life

Buy Nexus 6P now or wait (May 2016)?

Hello.
I've had a LG G2 for 2.5 years and it's been a great phone. Unfortunately I'm starting to have issues with the microphone and the phone probably needs to be replaced in the not too distant future.
I am currently in a situation where I honestly am not in a rush to buy a new phone, I prefer to have the latest and greatest (because it generally holds up better over the years) and I want a phone that'll serve me for another 2-3 years.
The Nexus 6P has a lot going for it, the display, the stereo speakers, the buttery smooth UI, sleek design and fingerprint scanner.
On the flip side, I find it a bit too big (but I can manage it) and I'm worried about how well the phone will age. I don't have much faith in the Snapdragon 810. Is it still worth buying or am I better off waiting for the next generation?
The Nexus 6p costs $630 here. I've had a look at the newest 2016 flagships and only HTC 10 caught my attention, but the price of the phone is an outrageous $830 and I cannot justify spending so much.
So, should I hop on the Nexus 6P wagon or wait for the next generation?

I'd say for you to wait. But for what? I don't see any flagships phones to be announced. Don't know. Maybe the next Nexus? Surely will be a few months away.
The CPU is not that important. At least for me. If I'd buy the Nexus 6P at this time. Probably yes, for the price and updates.

I upgraded last month to a 6P but that's because my N5 was on it's last legs and there was a sale ($500 for a 64GB 6P and they throw in a $50 gift card so it's effectively $450).
I would have waited for a 820-based 6P but it's unclear if Google will really release such a beast. I wanted a Nexus device to ensure updates for a few years so I ended pulling the trigger on the 6P when the sale was announced.

vPro97 said:
Hello.
I've had a LG G2 for 2.5 years and it's been a great phone. Unfortunately I'm starting to have issues with the microphone and the phone probably needs to be replaced in the not too distant future.
I am currently in a situation where I honestly am not in a rush to buy a new phone, I prefer to have the latest and greatest (because it generally holds up better over the years) and I want a phone that'll serve me for another 2-3 years.
The Nexus 6P has a lot going for it, the display, the stereo speakers, the buttery smooth UI, sleek design and fingerprint scanner.
On the flip side, I find it a bit too big (but I can manage it) and I'm worried about how well the phone will age. I don't have much faith in the Snapdragon 810. Is it still worth buying or am I better off waiting for the next generation?
The Nexus 6p costs $630 here. I've had a look at the newest 2016 flagships and only HTC 10 caught my attention, but the price of the phone is an outrageous $830 and I cannot justify spending so much.
So, should I hop on the Nexus 6P wagon or wait for the next generation?
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The other device to look at would be the Moto X Pure.
Processor is slower but here in the states a 64GB version for $399.

Another option came up, the Samsung Galaxy S7 for $680 - so $50 more.
The S7 has a lot going for it, like the more wieldy size, better display, good camera, waterproofing (which is more of a nice-to-have sort of thing). On the other hand I will be missing out on the quick Android updates and the stock android experience and I will get the TouchWiz UI, which I don't mind (I've been living with G2's UI for 2.5 years which isn't much better...) and I'll be missing out on the stereo speakers.
The Moto X Style is really nice, but if the SD 810 has me worried, how about the 808? I like the looks of the Moto X Style but the SD 808 and bad battery life is a deal breaker, even at the $420 price tag.

Had to get the 6P for Fi. Happy with it. I was holding out for I/O 2016 in hopes they would announce a mid year fresh with better CPU but no such thing happened. Oh well. This phone is pretty chill for me.

vPro97 said:
Hello.
I've had a LG G2 for 2.5 years and it's been a great phone. Unfortunately I'm starting to have issues with the microphone and the phone probably needs to be replaced in the not too distant future.
I am currently in a situation where I honestly am not in a rush to buy a new phone, I prefer to have the latest and greatest (because it generally holds up better over the years) and I want a phone that'll serve me for another 2-3 years.
The Nexus 6P has a lot going for it, the display, the stereo speakers, the buttery smooth UI, sleek design and fingerprint scanner.
On the flip side, I find it a bit too big (but I can manage it) and I'm worried about how well the phone will age. I don't have much faith in the Snapdragon 810. Is it still worth buying or am I better off waiting for the next generation?
The Nexus 6p costs $630 here. I've had a look at the newest 2016 flagships and only HTC 10 caught my attention, but the price of the phone is an outrageous $830 and I cannot justify spending so much.
So, should I hop on the Nexus 6P wagon or wait for the next generation?
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oh man we are in the exact same situation here ! literally ! G2 802 owner here. i was running exodus 6.0.1. it will keep you going for a little while but with lack of good camera features. i will be pulling the trigger on the 6p soon. it costs 594$ here if bought from play devices (play store), but in third party e commerce sites its about 475.. the prices will drop soon. currently its at its lowest price here. once it hits the 400$ barrier im picking it up for sure ! guaranteed updates for next 2-3 years officially another thought is that . what if the next nexus is actually cheaper than the current 6p ? (in terms of initial pricing). itll be like we bought the old device for just 10-15$ more or something.. hence till my g2 is going good, i can keep it on hold. i suggest you do the same . head over to cheapass.in , here you can track prices of the links posted from e commerce sites and it will tell mail you to inform you the price drop ive been following the 6p for a while now.
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If I would to buy it now I would do it. I got mine in January and no had no problems with it at all. i get good battery life and with the improvements android N it will be better in my opinion. I been using a V10 a few weeks as I got it for my backup/media phone since it has a sd card and while i like it especially cause the camera will be great for the future...i returned back to the 6P yesterday and i forgot how much i love it. great screen and i forgot how awesome those speakers are. the moto x pure might be a little better but still the 6P speakers are great. my only gripe is that i wish google would be a damn sd card slot but i know it will never happen but i can dream.

I came over from a G2 and haven't regretted it for a minute.
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Just had to retire my G2 D800 due to screen ghost touches. Got the 6p. Bigger but loving it so far. Not really a phone gamer, just calls, texts, and read news articles. Battery is amazing. 6-7 hours SOT.

redpirate8 said:
Just had to retire my G2 D800 due to screen ghost touches. Got the 6p. Bigger but loving it so far. Not really a phone gamer, just calls, texts, and read news articles. Battery is amazing. 6-7 hours SOT.
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Would love to know how you're managing that... I'm lucky to get over 4 hours on anything from stock to custom ROMs and kernels with Greenify, Xposed, etc. Never play games, only browsing, texting, music, and small YouTube bits here and there. My battery life has never been that great on any device like some people claim.

Only rooted. Ad blocker installed. Disabled all non essential Google apps (Chrome, Drive, Movies and TV, Books, Games, and Photos). I use Tinfoil for Facebook instead of the stock app and Opera Mini. I don't need emails delivered immediately so all syncing is turned off. And turned off Googles 'Back up my data' in Backup and Reset since there seems to be a bug with it eating away battery in some of the other forums. I don't need Google Now and disabled the voice activation in Search. At this very moment, I've got 7.5 SOT with 12% battery left.

We are literaly in the same exact situation, I've had my G2 for about 2 years now and I recently rooted it and flashed Google Edition 1.5 ROM + Dorimanx kernel which kinda revived my phone and Its now way smoother with better battery life, that being said I cant see myself keeping this phone after the summer's done and I've been looking for a potential replacement. The HTC 10 looks perfect on paper: similar size, better specs, better build quality but since it just came out Its too expensive for me, looking at last year's flagships the nexus 6p seems the best of the lot but it's just so damn big and my hands are kinda small. At this point I really cant decide if I should get a 6P in like August or wait a year or so until I can afford the HTC 10.Btw if anybody knows some other reasonably priced 5.2-5.3 inch phone with atleast 3 gigs of ram and a cpu equivalent to a 810 please let me know.

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We are literaly in the same exact situation, I've had my G2 for about 2 years now and I recently rooted it and flashed Google Edition 1.5 ROM + Dorimanx kernel which kinda revived my phone and Its now way smoother with better battery life, that being said I cant see myself keeping this phone after the summer's done and I've been looking for a potential replacement. The HTC 10 looks perfect on paper: similar size, better specs, better build quality but since it just came out Its too expensive for me, looking at last year's flagships the nexus 6p seems the best of the lot but it's just so damn big and my hands are kinda small. At this point I really cant decide if I should get a 6P in like August or wait a year or so until I can afford the HTC 10.Btw if anybody knows some other reasonably priced 5.2-5.3 inch phone with atleast 3 gigs of ram and a cpu equivalent to a 810 please let me know.
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I had an HTC 10, 6P, and S7 Edge all at the same time. I currently only have the 6P and S7 Edge - trying to decide which to keep.
The 10 was a good phone. But here's what killed it for me... the LCD and the size, mostly. The LCD is great for an LCD. But it's still an LCD, and it's terrible compared to OLED. The 6P and S7E are just so much better to look at, even in sRGB modes where they aren't oversaturated. Having pure black is something most people don't appreciate until they see it on a 55"+ TV in front of them. I have a $4,000 4K OLED TV, and I can never go back. The same holds true with even a small smartphone display - you use the display more than anything. It better look damn good. Also, even if I could get past the contrast, there were 2 other major issues I had with it. Number 1, the motion blur was TERRIBLE! It might not actually be that bad in the LCD world, but OLED has practically instant pixel response. That in itself removes a LOT of motion blur until we get 120+Hz smartphone panels - it's coming, just you wait! Also, the 10's display had a pink/red tint to it, 24/7. Holding it next to the 6P or S7E, this was obvious. And after years of having large phablets, I really couldn't go back to using a 5.2" screen.
Everything else about the 10 is something to love. The design is incredible. The camera is great. The DAC/amp are great. The speakers were great. The speed of the device, the factory go-ahead to root/unlock, the fingerprint sensor, the feel in the hand... all awesome. But none of these good qualities could make up for its worst, and that was the display.

vPro97 said:
Hello.
I've had a LG G2 for 2.5 years and it's been a great phone. Unfortunately I'm starting to have issues with the microphone and the phone probably needs to be replaced in the not too distant future.
I am currently in a situation where I honestly am not in a rush to buy a new phone, I prefer to have the latest and greatest (because it generally holds up better over the years) and I want a phone that'll serve me for another 2-3 years.
The Nexus 6P has a lot going for it, the display, the stereo speakers, the buttery smooth UI, sleek design and fingerprint scanner.
On the flip side, I find it a bit too big (but I can manage it) and I'm worried about how well the phone will age. I don't have much faith in the Snapdragon 810. Is it still worth buying or am I better off waiting for the next generation?
The Nexus 6p costs $630 here. I've had a look at the newest 2016 flagships and only HTC 10 caught my attention, but the price of the phone is an outrageous $830 and I cannot justify spending so much.
So, should I hop on the Nexus 6P wagon or wait for the next generation?
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Is stock Android a must for you? If the answer is no, then there are already better phones out and more on the way if you want to wait a bit longer.
Also, I know people here don't want to hear this again, but I have severe doubts that the 6P is a 2-3 year phone. It's just not built that way unfortunately to be completely honest. I would keep that in mind while you decide.

No phone is a 2-3 year phone. And if there's one it's the 6P because of the updates policy. Samsung is surely out of the equation in that matter.

joooe said:
No phone is a 2-3 year phone. And if there's one it's the 6P because of the updates policy. Samsung is surely out of the equation in that matter.
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Tell Apple, Samsung, LG users, etc that. There are plenty of 2-3 year capable phones out there. How many 2-3 year users there are is an entirely different question.
I still know plenty of people out there with iPhone 4s, 5, Galaxy S4, S5, LG G2 & G3's out there. And not to leave Nexus users out, I still know people with Nexus 5's out there.
So I wouldn't say there isn't one out there. And in my opinion, the 6P won't be one of them. There are already too many threads with issues. Only time will tell on the 6P.

So you had severe doubts that the 6P was a 2-3 year phone, but now you're quoting a bunch of them. I think you're a bit confused.

Any phone can be a 2-3 year phone. Just depends how much the person is a tech fanatic and appreciates the latest and greatest. My buddy is using an S5 still... I couldn't do it, but he never complains.

I've had the 6P for about 6 months and have been very satisfied with it. Coming from the Nexus 5 I was also worried about the size but I got used to it quickly. I'm not sure I would want anything bigger though. If you're wanting a Nexus you could wait for the next one but you never know what they'll do next. I bought my Nexus 5 when I realized the then soon to be released Nexus 6 was going to be so huge.
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So i have PH-1 and 5t in hand...one is going back

I love the hardware on the ph-1 to the point the 5t feels like a phone from 1 or 2 years ago and I love the software on the 5t for the most part. Software is what you live with day to day and PH-1 has its issues. Screen doesn't respond always camera thing (why can i not shoot 16:9 photos argh) prefer oled but the lcd is pretty stunning. So i don't know what to do. Can somebody that really has really spent some time with the PH-1 and maybe know about the 5t tell me why I shouldn't or should keep that over 5t or will the little annoyances just get to me eventually. BTW huge user of AA so consider that as well.
Example of what i'm looking for when going to websites like Androidcentral the website takes advantage of the entire screen (the top) but where before i could could on the address and drag down to get to card view, on any site that does this I can have to click on the little card button...annoying. Or 5t i can zoom in full screen in youtube why can't i on ph-1. This is what i'm looking for. Thanks.
Oh and one other thing what pixel camera apk do i need to download to get better pictures/more options. I know there are ports and variation of ports some require some setup...looking for simple that give some level of hdr and if it's the one with full setup what setup should i have and keep. I know there are other pages but there are other phones million of responses constant update with in threads as opposed to updating the OP, thanks.

Honestly if your network supports the 1+5T stay with it.

Forgetfull said:
Honestly if your network supports the 1+5T stay with it.
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any more insight...it does. Consider this too i guess though money not really an object in this situation but OP5t with accessories about 650 (couple charges cover) Essential 399 with free 360 care which i will be quickly selling so for $300 bucks or so I for the phone which would allow me to quickly jump into something new in the spring when new stuff starts showing up again.

I had a OP5, and I know that for me custom ROM support and software are really missed, but I love the PH-1. This phone just looks and feels so much better for the price, I am willing to wait a while to see more dev support and official Oreo release. OnePlus has upset me in that they are now releasing 2 phones a year. I have had all their phones, but I think I will be taking a break from OP and just keeping the PH-1 for a while...

OP5T wins with the software. They have been working on their OS for almost 3 years so they know what they are doing. On the other hand, there is no other phone that looks and feels like the Essential, hardware is the best handsdown. There are some software issues, but to be honest I have non of it, everything works fine. I use mine in Mexico and in the US.
If you have good cellular reception with the PH1 I think you should keep it.

I personally am not a fan of OnePlus. If money truly isn't an issue, then I would go with the S8+. You can almost always find deals from Samsung on sites like Slickdeals and get it for a comparable price to 5t.
OnePlus has made it abundantly clear they don't care for their customers. I had three OnePluses since their first, and I can tell you first-hand that they are a terrible company. They don't like to honor their warranty and they make you pay for the shipping, and there's quite often problems with their phones... Then they only offer a year-and-a-half support for each device.
Essential has already stated that this phone will be updated for a very long time, especially since it's their first. I personally believe only things can go up from here, and their continuous support has proven that notion.
But it's up to you obviously go with whatever you like most.

Until recently I was on the market for a new phone. I had settled down on two choices: the PH-1 and OP 5T. Given that I had previously bought a OP2, I was trending towards a OP5T. But I ended getting the PH-1. Primarily because of OP's sofware update policy. It is downright unacceptable.
A couple of years ago, I bought my dad the OPT (OnePlus Two). They did not bother to push out Nougat update though Nougat arrived just a few months after the OPT. Ultimately I installed LineageOS on the OPT. But OP's software upgrade policy drove me away. Once bitten, twice shy.
One another reason I am disappointed with OP is their "no" to Treble support for existing devices as they upgrade to Oreo. Atleast they were straight about it, unlike other fiasco's like the data collection & push ads etc. Don't get me wrong. Not bashing OP for nothing. We love the OPT. Hardware still runs great with the LineageOS ROM.
But this time its the Essential PH-1. They have shown commitment to upgrade to Oreo with the beta on 11/14. Also some of the very recent updates to FW and to the camera app, the camera performance has improved significantly. The new portrait mode does bokeh very nicely. I would keep the PH-1!

i like to tinker with software so 5t has me interested at the same time I no longer want to root so really what it comes is is a bonus...i am leaning toward essential atm. WIll drive one for 1 week then the other for 1 week and see where i land. I hear you about the OP fiascos with the op2 etc i guess not to worried there. Not sure I like Rubin being away from essential i feel like he is the one pushing the boundaries there. I do like how quickly they have been updating...hope the wireless dock is not stupid...1 thing i really hate is no qi charging. I don't like samsung so that is out flirted with LG but don't like it enough to justify the price, if it was stock i would buy it all day long for what they charge.

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any more insight...it does. Consider this too i guess though money not really an object in this situation but OP5t with accessories about 650 (couple charges cover) Essential 399 with free 360 care which i will be quickly selling so for $300 bucks or so I for the phone which would allow me to quickly jump into something new in the spring when new stuff starts showing up again.
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The one plus has a better screen, more responsive digitizer, historical better development, longevity as a company, better camera, bigger battery, smoother release.
But.....
At that price differential the PH-1 probably wins out. My opinion that the 1+ is better assumes the 450$ essential VS a 550 1+

I'm having a hard time justifying keeping the PH1 and not getting the 5T. I still have my OP3 as a backup and I like everything better, but the size. I mean, build quality of the PH1 is amazing, but not the screen. Besides, the only time I ever get to admire the build quality is when I take it out of the case, which I won't go without. Even though my OP3 is 1½ yr old, the fluidity of the software with that screen is just so much better, not to mention the haptic feedback is perfect, not like the stupid overly strong haptic feedback on the PH1. I just love the size of the PH1, it's perfect. OP, I don't blame u asking for help making this decision. It is a really tough one. If I had to though, I would lean towards the 5T.
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Ive had the op2 and op5. When I bought the op2, I felt the value of my purchase was solid for 2 years, it was the best value phone hands down. Now oneplus had an upward trend of rising prices that suddenly peter out bc of some competition from the essential. On top of the fact that their T releases always are better than their main numbered releases just seems extremely counter intuitive. On top of all the negative press they've been getting, makes me really wonder about the integrity of the company. Could their prices be cheaper seeing as how premium the essential is in the same price range? Did they really not have the technology to push a bezeless phone on their op5 release? I no longer trust oneplus, and will reevaluate the phone market in 2 years or so when I'm ready for an upgrade. My op5 got stolen, and so far I'd love to keep using essential as long as they stick around in the same price range.
I always rock a 50 dollar otterbox on my ops, but so far have been just using a tempered glass protector with no problems. So factor in a 128 gb phone with otterbox would put the phone close to 600 whereas I paid 400 for the essential. The essential over op5t is a no brainer for me.

Last Monday morning I ordered the one +5T,then I seen the Amazon offer for the PH1 and it was a no-brainer ,I immediately ordered the PH1 and cancelled the 5T.Software can be tweaked and with the amount of updates essential are pushing ,it's only going to get better.Hardware your stuck with once purchased and nothing comes close to the PH1

Combat same story with me except I choose to receive both then decide. I don't care about the recent bad press of OP every manufacture has some kind of data collection and every manufacture has had this issue including Samsung...op responded and adjusted. I also don't care that op upgrades fast somebody always does on monthly basis might as well be op.
I do care however that op didn't come with Oreo basically allows op to not support the device as long and stop at 9 instead of 10. In fairness the phone will be gone by then but this kind of strategy from a company frustrated me more then the other two issues listed above.

PH-1. Design and build. Semi-pure Android. Ridiculous $145 price. Possibly unfounded hope for Essential as a company I'd like to see stick around. And I rarely take pictures of anything that isn't a whiteboard or my thumb.
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I'm sad, that they did't opted for a symmetric front with two front-firing stereo speakers.

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I'm sad, that they did't opted for a symmetric front with two front-firing stereo speakers.
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the quality probably wouldnt have been adequate and people would just complain. I wonder if Google will keep the plastic backing and just launch the phones at a price in the middle of pixel 3 and 3a. that would be sweet and you can still have wireless charging through plastic like the nexus 5

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the quality probably wouldnt have been adequate and people would just complain. I wonder if Google will keep the plastic backing and just launch the phones at a price in the middle of pixel 3 and 3a. that would be sweet and you can still have wireless charging through plastic like the nexus 5
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This phone will cost $700+. Google is tripping.

Jammol said:
This phone will cost $700+. Google is tripping.
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ya, and the iPhone 11 is killing it right now. I don't think Google will be able to match them this year. that triple set up is a beast!

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ya, and the iPhone 11 is killing it right now. I don't think Google will be able to match them this year. that triple set up is a beast!
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Meh, incremental update for the iPhone 11. I don't know about "killing it right now." Apple will always sell a lot of iPhones. I just want the Pixel lineup to have it's crap together and for Google to stop chasing Apple customers by blatantly copying iPhones.

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ya, and the iPhone 11 is killing it right now. I don't think Google will be able to match them this year. that triple set up is a beast!
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The Night Mode photos of the Pixel 3a won't have to hide compared to the photos taken by the new iPhone. The new GCam app of the Pixel 4 will beat the iPhone for sure!
"Night Mode: iPhone 11 Pro Max vs Pixel 3a XL!" -

If it's in fact true that the battery is the same or smaller than the pixel 3, I think Google has made it clear they don't want ME as a customer.
I love pixel but their battery performance is ****. I am loving my p30 pro but I want a smaller device, so I may just get an iPhone 11 pro if this turns out to be the case about the px4 batteries.

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If it's in fact true that the battery is the same or smaller than the pixel 3, I think Google has made it clear they don't want ME as a customer.
I love pixel but their battery performance is ****. I am loving my p30 pro but I want a smaller device, so I may just get an iPhone 11 pro if this turns out to be the case about the px4 batteries.
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I average around 6-7h sot on my pixel 3 in a full day and 4-5h over 2 days.... problem with Google is there are certain settings/features that drain battery, if you turn them off the battery is great!

What settings are those?
I average 3-4hrs sot on my px3

this was on pie... but I'm getting similar results on 10 especially after all the apps started updating for compatibility for Android 10. it all depends on how u use your phone too. this was mainly on Reddit and chrome.
aod off
NFC off
Bluetooth/scanning off (big battery killer)
wifi scanning off (big battery killer)
adaptive battery off (I saw a big difference after I turned this off)
adaptive display off
lift to check off
double tap to check on
location on
keyboard sounds off
all vibrate off even fingerprint sensor
also calibrate your battery after 1gb+ Android updates this will reset the battery stats

Nice I had most of those disabled but some not. Hopefully I can get some good sot like you.
Of course I know all experiences are based on usage, I work in IT so I am pretty observant of these things. I'm also spoiled worry p30 pro - don't need to disable/worry about anything and I can get 7+ sot haha.

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Nice I had most of those disabled but some not. Hopefully I can get some good sot like you.
Of course I know all experiences are based on usage, I work in IT so I am pretty observant of these things. I'm also spoiled worry p30 pro - don't need to disable/worry about anything and I can get 7+ sot haha.
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nice!

Some people are making a lot of judgements based on one prototype which is significantly gimped in firmware and software. As to the device I'm fine with it's design. I only use speaker for speakerphone and video chat, my phones always go in cases, I only get 3 or 4 hours with every phone because I like my toys and I'm not turning them off. I think the only thing that could kill it for me it's if it's ridiculously overpriced.

Does pixel 4 comes with the top bezel like the old pixel phones?

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The Night Mode photos of the Pixel 3a won't have to hide compared to the photos taken by the new iPhone. The new GCam app of the Pixel 4 will beat the iPhone for sure!
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Probably even release of Google Camera 7 on Pixel 3 will beat these night sight images

This is subjective of course. But design in Pixel 2, 3 and 3a is the best
Then it comes Pixel 1.
I don't even like the design of the 4.
But I liked the glossy back of the Just Black
Nothing of importance because I'll install a Spigen Thinfit the first day.

I think it's an ugly phone if I'm being honest.
I was looking forward to it but after seeing it, I think it's a pretty solid pass.
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apple destroyed them this year. do you notice that Google alternates dropping the battery capacity each year for the regular and xl? probably to cut back somewhere. they should of kept the wide angle selfie scrapped Soli and face unlock and kept the rear fingerprint and add wide angle to the back with a bigger battery or at least the same for the regular. the pixel 3 might be the new nexus 5

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The Night Mode photos of the Pixel 3a won't have to hide compared to the photos taken by the new iPhone. The new GCam app of the Pixel 4 will beat the iPhone for sure!
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If you look at DxOMark it's interesting that neither the Pixel nor iPhones are at the top of the ratings anymore (although they haven't reviewed the iPhone 11 yet, it seems). https://www.dxomark.com/category/smartphone-reviews/ It's Huawei, Samsung, and even OnePlus who are rating the highest. Maybe the days of Apple and Google being the cream of the crop are over. Although the Pixel 4 still tied for the best rating for video performance. And it scored very well, so the differences with the top phones may not be that important.
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This is subjective of course. But design in Pixel 2, 3 and 3a is the best
Then it comes Pixel 1.
I don't even like the design of the 4.
But I liked the glossy back of the Just Black
Nothing of importance because I'll install a Spigen Thinfit the first day.
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I still like the Pixel 1 the most. The feel of the chamfered edges on the all aluminum phone seems so much more high quality than the subsequent Pixel designs. I like the Pixel 2 second best. I really hate glass backs (going all the way back to the Nexus 4 and iPhone 4), so the Pixel 3 and 4 will always be inferior, design-wise, to me. Extra glass seems cheap and overly glitzy to me.