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HTC Vision to Nexus 4 Review

Hey guys,
It doesn't seem like a lot of us here is getting a Nexus. I just got one for myself, and it is fantastic, so I am just writing an opinion piece here for anyone that's looking for an upgrade
It is big
From 3.7" to 4.7" is quite a jump. After using the phone for just a few hours, the Vision seems to be tiny in my hand. By the way, my hand is not that big so I can barely manage to use it on one hand. They make the pattern lock screen smaller in ratio than normal, and the power button on the side, and it helps a little bit. Having to use the phone with two hands is annoying, but it should curb my cellphone use when I am driving,
and it is thin
I always feel that the Vision is too thick since the first time I pick it up. Feels like a brick that I can throw and kill people with. The Nexus, on the other hand, is really thin. In fact, it's thinner than the Vision's keyboard. Since the G2 has a concave back, which is nice for holding by the way, initially it feels like the Nexus's back is convex. Yet, holding the Nexus is not much more difficult, and the glass feels good.
Keyboard
My fear when I bought the Nexus was that I won't have a keyboard to use. I almost always use the hardware keyboard even though I type faster using the touch screen. I just like the mechanical feel. Even if I use the software keyboard, I use it in landscape mode because I want it to be spacious. However, the Nexus is so big that the software keyboard in portrait is still big and easy to type. It should be familiar with most people here because 4.2JB keyboard is almost the same as 4.0ICS.
About the Gesture Typing thing..... I don't use it. I don't like the notion of the computer learning what I want to type, telling me what I should type, suggesting me the word that I should use.... I decide what I input into my device.
Speed
It is fast. The Vision is almost unbearably slow for me these day. The Nexus is just fast and smooth. You'll love it.
Screen
The screen looks gorgeous. I don't know much about screen tech, but it looks much much much better than the Vision's. The glass is thinner so the screen appear closer to the user. It looks much more realistic. It is also darker, reflect less light so it appears as if the screen is almost the entire front face. Thinner side bezel also helps.
Battery
I have heard good things about the Nexus's battery, but those things haven't quite arrived on my phone yet. Granted, I haven't even charge it since I got it. After nearly 2 years of using the Vision with a lot of abuses, and with 4.0ICS on it, almost anything would have better battery anyways.
I am a heavy user, so the battery doesn't hold up to well. After 4 hours 20 minutes of usage, it went from 90% when I just got it to 17% ..... However, the screen was on for 2 hours, and I downloaded about 300MB of stuff via cell towers and 700MB of stuff via wifi. The phone also had to install quite a ton of stuff. So may be it will do better tomorrow. I'll update.
Update: I got through a day (12 hours) of medium use with 25% battery left. Not bad.
Camera
Haven't tried. I use a camera for shooting. But, in comparison with Vision's 4.0ICS patched camera, almost anything should be better anyways. I'll update this when I get a chance to shoot something.
4.2JB
It's great. Smooth (most of the part should be because of the quad-core processor with 2GB of RAM). Some new functions such as lock screen widget and day dreams. Lock screen widget selection is extremely limited (Gmail, SMS, Calendar, Soundsearch, Clock), we have better stuffs around. And the day dreams thing..... most Android phones don't even have a dock to begin with.
Space
On the 16GB model, you get 12GB for your stuff. The entire 16GB is ROM. So everything is in one place (which also means stuffs are faster than they are in SD card)
About that glass back
Someone said somewhere on the internet that the thing is also Gorilla Glass 2. Some other people said that it cracks within a day or so. Mine hasn't yet. The glittering dots is only visible when viewed with an angle. I don't know what is the deal with it.
And about that LTE thing
Edit: It is confirmed (youtube videos, news, etc.) that the Nexus 4 can work on LTE band IV (no root needed, just few touches). Rumors say that when T-Mobile has their LTE up and running, it will be LTE band IV.
I don't need LTE. At least a long as there a still a tiny cap for these expensive data plan.
However, HSPA+ on T-Mobile is not that slow either. I mentioned in my posts here and there that part of the reason internet feels slow just because the phone itself is slow. I also posted speedtest on the Vision a while back ago, 3-4Mbps something.
If HSPA+ is a highway, the Vision would be an old Honda minivan... towing a mobile home. It just cant utilize the full potential of the network. The Nexus, on the other hand, is a freaking 12-cyclinder Ferrari zipping around at max speed, only slows down because of traffic congestion.
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And the wacky things
There's an IMEI sticker on the back. The shipped plastic cover even has a cut out for that space. Even a box painted for it there..... I already bought a full-body screen protector, hopefully the Skinomi didn't rush to make these plastic without space for the IMEI sticker. Weird f***ing decision....
Also, no headphones included.
Things that I forgot
I'll add later if you can kindly remind me.

Nice one mate. Got the same plans but waiting on G to ship my damn fone. I have had 3 phones with physical keyboards but the capacitive screen on my DZ means the physical keyboard is still as new as the day I bought the phone.
I would have carried on using the DZ as it serves all my needs but that bit were it says "Loading" for like 20 secs and you cant do anything with the phone, is starting to get on my nerves.
Enjoy ur new phone.

Nice review. Using a Nexus 4 (or any other recent device), the G2 feels like at least 5 years old technology.

How's the battery life? I'm kinda interested in this phone..but the 16gb is putting me off.. :/ on single full charge,how long is the display up time?
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i wanted to get this phone but google and lg has really f'd this one up for countrys who do not have playstore...
Anyways nice review and i hope this phone will get here at all
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I am still staying with Desire Z it is useful enough.

Curious where you heard good things about the battery. Every review I've read has said the opposite, though I have read that compared to the gnex it's a lot better.
One of the main reasons people avoid this device I think. Bad/mediocre battery life + non removable battery. If you have access to a charger it's not so bad, but not all of us are that lucky.
I should note that battery reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt, though. I get 6h+ screen on time with the sgs3 (lte disabled) and a lot of tests I've seen clock it in at a lot lower.
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blk_jack said:
Curious where you heard good things about the battery. Every review I've read has said the opposite, though I have read that compared to the gnex it's a lot better.
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Well, that's what I heard. That it's better then the GNexus and people get 10-14 hours from it.
I got pictures this time

Agreed with blk jack.. how long is the screen on ? Kyaraofire? Do u use data or just wifi?
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How is the awake time so little??
It's not even awake when the screen is on most of the time..
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Nice review man. I'm also on a g2 right now used the s3 for a month and sold it for the nexus 4 but wasn't expecting to be backordered for 3 weeks. Ur definitely right about the g2 feeling like a tiny brick after using one of the newer bigger screen phones lol. In all honestly I still love my g2 but like someone mentioned I just can't take the slowness anymore. I'm so pumped for the nexus 4 I'm perfectly fine with 16gb and no lte as I doubt tmobile will have lte in toledo ohio for at least 2 years. And blk_jack are u gonna make a rom for nexus 4 please do!! I got freaking 5 HOURS OF ON SCREEN TIME with ur mimicry rom!!!
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I fall in love!!!
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Great review, cheers. I'm definitely grabbing one once they are in stock again.

otariq said:
Nice review man. I'm also on a g2 right now used the s3 for a month and sold it for the nexus 4 but wasn't expecting to be backordered for 3 weeks. Ur definitely right about the g2 feeling like a tiny brick after using one of the newer bigger screen phones lol. In all honestly I still love my g2 but like someone mentioned I just can't take the slowness anymore. I'm so pumped for the nexus 4 I'm perfectly fine with 16gb and no lte as I doubt tmobile will have lte in toledo ohio for at least 2 years. And blk_jack are u gonna make a rom for nexus 4 please do!! I got freaking 5 HOURS OF ON SCREEN TIME with ur mimicry rom!!!
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The rom team I've been working with (SlimRoms) is currently working on establishing a 4.2 base with the nexus 4 as one of the model devices for that base. Right now a number of devices (21) run 4.1.2. With a large number of those if not all scheduled to get 4.2, along with the nexus 4.
TLDR; If you want a jellybean rom that I've been working on check out SlimBean.
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Thanks for the review. What really holds me from replacing my Desire Z is the keyboard... I can type without even looking at the keys, a bit like typing on a "real" keyboard (with two thumbs versus 10 fingers, though) on the Desire Z's, which (for me at least) just isn't possible on any touch screen keyboard I tried so far. Also the fn keys are really great, speeds up typing quite a lot because I don't have to long press some button, wait for the phone to recognize I have been long pressing, select the character I really wanted to type etc...
Oh, and for anyone really having speed issues with their DZ/G2: Did you clean install your ROM, or did you update without wiping? For me, this made the difference between a quite fast reacting phone and a unbearably sluggish one...

I received my N4 yesterday, it replaces my good old vision. I'm experiencing quiet the same things. Except the Keyboard. I LOVE the swiping thing. Already had swipeIT on my vision for quick texting with one thumb. The N4 Version is even better (perhaps it's a subjective feeling cause of the genereal speed of the device).
But I miss the HW keyboard while ssh'ing one of our servers. Would not be that bad, if the N4 had a trackbal.... the second thing I miss.

There is such a thing as a fast qwerty. HTC Doubleshot has been out for quite some time now. Made the switch back in February. Exceptional little phone.
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Thanks for this! Just what I was looking for I have a upgrade coming soon, Considering getting a N4.

Steven How said:
How's the battery life? I'm kinda interested in this phone..but the 16gb is putting me off.. :/ on single full charge,how long is the display up time?
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My contract ends in a couple of weeks, I really want an N4 as well but because its only 16GB and they are sold out atm, means I will probably get the Galaxy S3. Is there anything faster with an SD slot?

Wow. Very informative review. I have been waiting for the money to buy the 16GB, and this just makes me want it even more. Unfortunately, until G has the stock, wont be able to get anyways.
Thanks for the review! :good::good:

Buy the LG G2 now or wait for Nexus 5?

What do you think now that we are somehow sure the Nexus 5 will share most same hardware as the G2,should I swap my One with G2 as soon as the international version is out here,or wait for Nexus 5?
One of the reason I want to swap is the bigger 5.2'' screen in not so big body,dunno if LG will retain the size for N5,but in another hand what I am afraid of with the G2 and could be corrected in N5 is the low volume of speaker.
Software wise if both phones have more than 90% same hardware it will mean we can port 4.4 easily on G2 and LG's UI on N5.
So what should I do?

I am a long time GN user and has been extremely happy with my old Galaxy Nexus phone. I was really looking forward to Nexus 5, and was planning to wait until it is release before making my decision.
I took the plunge with G2 recently and have been using it for awhile. The things that make me really happy is the battery life. Now my phone actually lasted me more than a day.
Another reason is the price of Nexus 5, which will be high in Thailand. Probably as much as G2. (My Galaxy Nexus costed me 600+usd a few years back).
One thing I will miss about Nexus devices is the development and support. Even now my GN is running 4.3 with latest patches and update. While my brand new G2 is running 4.2.2.
G2 Device is blazing fast, with battery life that last. It will keep me from tinkering with rom/kernel upgrades and just focus on using G2.

Personal choice, no one else can decide for you .
I couldn't wait, and I am happy I didn't because the G2 is amazing. Super super fast and awesome battery life.
I am not a real heavy user (I don't play games or watch movies, I mostly use it for texting/browsing/email/weather/NFL/etc.. and streaming music in my car through Gmusic) and right now I unplugged at 5am yesterday, it is now 7:10am the next day (26 hrs later) and I am at 83%.
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That said, I am fairly certain I will still buy a Nexus 5 when it comes out for immediate access to KitKat.

Only for now
Once the n5 is out and the g2 more readily available worldwide you can expect ROM's to be popping up left and right
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Zentac said:
Only for now
Once the n5 is out and the g2 more readily available worldwide you can expect ROM's to be popping up left and right
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Plus if it really does pan out that the N5 is just a slight variant of the G2, the ROMs might share a lot of the same "stuff", meaning development for the N5 may be easily ported to the G2.

I enjoy my G2 and I'm sure the N5 well be fine since its a LG product. The major difference would be running vanilla android. I'm fine with the current UI for what I do.
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The more I use the LG UI, the more I start to worry about going back to stock AOSP... I don't precisely know where the VZW starts and the LG ends, but they sure have done a damn fine job of keeping this from being ****.
Although, I did find some Engrish in one screen: "QuickRemote does not support in landscape mode." Definitely showing Korean roots there, gents.
Still, AOSP/vanilla Android always seems sort of half-way there, like they keep missing little things that should be obvious. Apple is developing the same problem now that Cook is running the shop. iOS, until version 7, seemed to have someone in charge of UX who was a complete control freak over maintaining coherence. I don't mind iOS 7 and it's definitely an improved aesthetic, but it doesn't feel as polished as previous versions.

crawlgsx said:
Personal choice, no one else can decide for you .
I couldn't wait, and I am happy I didn't because the G2 is amazing. Super super fast and awesome battery life.
I am not a real heavy user (I don't play games or watch movies, I mostly use it for texting/browsing/email/weather/NFL/etc.. and streaming music in my car through Gmusic) and right now I unplugged at 5am yesterday, it is now 7:10am the next day (26 hrs later) and I am at 83%.
That said, I am fairly certain I will still buy a Nexus 5 when it comes out for immediate access to KitKat.
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I have a Nexus 7 for kitkat. I can't fathom carrying two 5" phones around. Lol.

I had this same problem!
I loved my nexus 4! ran flawless, not a terrible camera and decent battery life and I was waited for the 5 until I dropped my beloved nexus and cracked the whole screen :crying: so having to go back to my old GS3 was no fun. I hated touchwhiz more than anything.
What did push me to buy the G2 over the nexus was the fact that the trend with nexus phones is usually outdated (not by much, but still not top of the line) technology in order to keep the price lower. With the G2 you have top of the line everything as well as a amazing design! If money is not a issue go with the LG, if you want to save a little money but still have an awesome phone wait for the nexus. I really actually love what LG has added to the UI. It's not overwhelming and slow like touchwhiz.
I say get the LG G2 its worth it! Once you get used to the buttons in the back you'll never want to use another phone.

I came from the galaxy nexus, and had the nexus one before that. I just couldn't deal with a pure nexus device anymore. There's always something the nexus sacrifices like battery, camera, and or screen.
I went with the G2 this time around because android is pretty much matured imo. Plus you get an awesome camera, battery life, screen, and G ram, which is a cool thing to have to save more battery life. Oh and LG going with on screen buttons this time sold me.
It's safe to say that LG g2, is a great phone to buy over the nexus this time around, unless of course you're all about software updates. One down side though about the phone, Netflix will only stream 1080p on 4.3 surprised no one mentioned that anywhere
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There is an aspect ration fix.
akong702 said:
I came from the galaxy nexus, and had the nexus one before that. I just couldn't deal with a pure nexus device anymore. There's always something the nexus sacrifices like battery, camera, and or screen.
I went with the G2 this time around because android is pretty much matured imo. Plus you get an awesome camera, battery life, screen, and G ram, which is a cool thing to have to save more battery life. Oh and LG going with on screen buttons this time sold me.
It's safe to say that LG g2, is a great phone to buy over the nexus this time around, unless of course you're all about software updates. One down side though about the phone, Netflix will only stream 1080p on 4.3 surprised no one mentioned that anywhere
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I havnt tested it but at the bottom of the display window there is a aspect ratio force. Try it and report back I cant I am at work and well they hate fun.

akong702 said:
. One down side though about the phone, Netflix will only stream 1080p on 4.3 surprised no one mentioned that anywhere
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Yea that is pretty dumb lol

jrgilbert79 said:
I havnt tested it but at the bottom of the display window there is a aspect ratio force. Try it and report back I cant I am at work and well they hate fun.
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It's not there, or I just can't find it...

Biggest reason not to wait is the 2300mah battery vs 3000mah. That and a smaller screen.... Meh. The screen I could live with, but the reviews on battery life are what made me get the g2 over waiting for the n5.

Geekybiker said:
Biggest reason not to wait is the 2300mah battery vs 3000mah. That and a smaller screen.... Meh. The screen I could live with, but the reviews on battery life are what made me get the g2 over waiting for the n5.
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+1

I was considering on waiting for the Nexus 5 but then I read it could only have a 2300mah battery and coming from the Maxx HD I can't do that. 3000mah sounds nice and everyone has been saying they've been getting great battery life.
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New Rising said:
I was considering on waiting for the Nexus 5 but then I read it could only have a 2300mah battery and coming from the Maxx HD I can't do that. 3000mah sounds nice and everyone has been saying they've been getting great battery life.
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I have a Nexus 5 already look lol
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I just got this phone today because it is a screamer, even on the extremely heavy LG Software. I traded in my nexus 4, because I need wifi calling in my apartment :'[.

Like many on here I've enjoyed having my galaxy nexus and the dev support has been fantastic but I will be going G2 instead of nexus 5 mainly due to the battery. the GNEX is still a great phone (although I'd be the first to admit the screen is poor) and still holds its own (aside from intensive gaming) but its the battery life is getting annoying I'm lucky to get 3/4 of a day out of it.
Also banking on similar hardware to a nexus leading to good dev support. For all the merits of LG's software (I won't slate it but I'm not wiling to try it) I want this thing stock as soon as.. well ideally paranoid android

Ibanez33 said:
Like many on here I've enjoyed having my galaxy nexus and the dev support has been fantastic but I will be going G2 instead of nexus 5 mainly due to the battery. the GNEX is still a great phone (although I'd be the first to admit the screen is poor) and still holds its own (aside from intensive gaming) but its the battery life is getting annoying I'm lucky to get 3/4 of a day out of it.
Also banking on similar hardware to a nexus leading to good dev support. For all the merits of LG's software (I won't slate it but I'm not wiling to try it) I want this thing stock as soon as.. well ideally paranoid android
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Agreed, I was debating on Nexus 5 but I'm pretty sure it won't have the battery of the G2. Plus, we already have root and custom recovery. All we need is for the roms to flood in. In the meantime, the LG UI is pretty damn good as is.

If N5 gets root?

If the Note 5 gets permanent root, I will be tempted...will you?

Nope.
Samsung is dead to me until I can simply fastboot an unlocked bootloader.
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Heck no. I have a 200gb micro sd and 8000mah battery. I'll take the more practical N4 any day. I kill bloat with package disabler, so fine with it.

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Nope.
Samsung is dead to me until I can simply fastboot an unlocked bootloader.
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I don't think you are loss to Samsung lol because let's face it people who want root etc.. are maybe just 0.01% lol
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patt2k said:
I don't think you are loss to Samsung lol because let's face it people who want root etc.. are maybe just 0.01% lol
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Until Amazon released their Amazon Underground app, I was having problems with their app store app because it had somehow been corrupted and would not communicate properly with the installed apps and their server. I could not uninstall and reinstall it to fix the problem because Verizon made the Amazon App Store app a system app.
Owning a phone/tablet without root is like owning a PC with no admin rights. I cannot fathom how anyone thinks it's acceptable.

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Until Amazon released their Amazon Underground app, I was having problems with their app store app because it had somehow been corrupted and would not communicate properly with the installed apps and their server. I could not uninstall and reinstall it to fix the problem because Verizon made the Amazon App Store app a system app.
Owning a phone/tablet without root is like owning a PC with no admin rights. I cannot fathom how anyone thinks it's acceptable.
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Agreed. A non-rooted phone is totally unacceptable to me too.

No, I won't be tempted. I'm done with Samsung. I've gone without root for nearly a year now, I'm rather over it. Hopefully HTC or Sony come out with a phone I like, otherwise I'm moving to Windows or IOS.

You can go to IOS then jailbreak it then have your phone hacked and basically useless.
Or you can buy the Kickstarter phone called robin. It is completely unlocked.

animal7296 said:
You can go to IOS then jailbreak it then have your phone hacked and basically useless.
Or you can buy the Kickstarter phone called robin. It is completely unlocked.
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If you don't have unlimited data, cloud storage can be a problem. 5.2" display is a bit small for my taste. Once you go to 5.7" it is hard to downsize.

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Agreed. I non-rooted phone is totally unacceptable to me too.
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What about Sony? They are the only ones to match the past couple galaxies on an objective level.

xdasucksballs said:
What about Sony? They are the only ones to match the past couple galaxies on an objective level.
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It's not about physical features. I like to be able to disable certain apps, block ads and there are apps I like that require superuser privileges. I'm crazy about ViPER4Android. It requires root to function. Adfree Android not only blocks ads but it blocks known malicious websites.
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stueycaster said:
It's not about physical features. I like to be able to disable certain apps, block ads and there are apps I like that require superuser privileges. I'm crazy about ViPER4Android. It requires root to function. Adfree Android not only blocks ads but it blocks known malicious websites.
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I got this. I was just suggesting Sony like Z3 or so as some of the best alternatives. Is there just as many root restrictions on the Z3?

xdasucksballs said:
I got this. I was just suggesting Sony like Z3 or so as some of the best alternatives. Is there just as many root restrictions on the Z3?
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I appreciate that. Maybe I'll look into that for my next phone. But there'll be new phones by then. I always use a phone for at least a couple years. In the past 5 years or so I've only had 2 phones before my Note 4. I got it because I liked my Note 2 so much. Also I have extreme need of the stylus. It's going to be pretty hard to give up this phone though. I like it a lot.
Actually I don't know anything about any of the other phones on the market. When I go to get something new I'll study on it. Like I said my Note 2 made me decide on the Note 4 and I didn't even look at anything else.
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stueycaster said:
I appreciate that. Maybe I'll look into that for my next phone. But there'll be new phones by then. I always use a phone for at least a couple years. In the past 5 years or so I've only had 2 phones before my Note 4. I got it because I liked my Note 2 so much. Also I have extreme need of the stylus. It's going to be pretty hard to give up this phone though. I like it a lot.
Actually I don't know anything about any of the other phones on the market. When I go to get something new I'll study on it. Like I said my Note 2 made me decide on the Note 4 and I didn't even look at anything else.
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I'm there with you. My Note 2 was awesome. In fact if I fixed the screen it would still be awesome. And the Note 2 is going to receive official Lollipop.
And the Note 4 is a top device. Only dethroned by the Note5 minus the obvious setbacks.
Objectively speaking nothing tops the Note. I'm still considering the Note5 on and off just because minus the other very important lackings it is indeep the best overall device around.
Objectively it seems only the new Xperias are close. Subjectively however no one thing is perfect for everyone and all phones have very intriguing aspects.

xdasucksballs said:
I'm there with you. My Note 2 was awesome. In fact if I fixed the screen it would still be awesome. And the Note 2 is going to receive official Lollipop.
And the Note 4 is a top device. Only dethroned by the Note5 minus the obvious setbacks.
Objectively speaking nothing tops the Note. I'm still considering the Note5 on and off just because minus the other very important lackings it is indeep the best overall device around.
Objectively it seems only the new Xperias are close. Subjectively however no one thing is perfect for everyone and all phones have very intriguing aspects.
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Yeah I'm sure the Octacore processor, 4 gb ram, enhanced S-pen and the new Note 4 apps make it a joy to use. And the fixed battery isn't that big of a deal. But I use the infra-red constantly. When I'm messing with my phone and the entertainment center needs a change I don't even have to put it down. Also even if it wasn't for the other lost functionality the lack of SD support is a fatal flaw. I won't own a phone that I can't take the card out of and put it in my computer. That's really stupid as far as I'm concerned. If my phone dies I will not lose all of the data I have in it.
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I'm probably going to pick it up regardless of root. But not right away, I like to observe for a couple of months and see if any major issues pop up.
I figure even if it doesn't get root, I'm not losing much since there's never going to be a permanent root solution for this Note 4. I will miss the battery and SD card options, but I can work around them. In exchange, I'll get a faster, smoother device with a MUCH better fingerprint scanner and better pen, and from what I'm hearing, better battery life. Plus it'll probably be upgraded to M waaaaaaaaay belt the Note 4.
So, unless something else grabs my eye, by the end of the year I'll probably pick this up and sell the Note 4 (or give it to a friend/family member).
But, a permanent root solution that doesn't trip Knox and allows Pay to work would be wonderful.

tedkord said:
I'm probably going to pick it up regardless of root. But not right away, I like to observe for a couple of months and see if any major issues pop up.
I figure even if it doesn't get root, I'm not losing much since there's never going to be a permanent root solution for this Note 4. I will miss the battery and SD card options, but I can work around them. In exchange, I'll get a faster, smoother device with a MUCH better fingerprint scanner and better pen, and from what I'm hearing, better battery life. Plus it'll probably be upgraded to M waaaaaaaaay belt the Note 4.
So, unless something else grabs my eye, by the end of the year I'll probably pick this up and sell the Note 4 (or give it to a friend/family member).
But, a permanent root solution that doesn't trip Knox and allows Pay to work would be wonderful.
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By that time there'll probably be a Developer Edition available.
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No way in hell, are you crazzy.....................
Without a replaceable battery I would have to be tethered to a battery charger half the time. I sleep with my Note 4 in my top pocket. I have two spare battery chargers on standby at all times. Back in the day of the Razz Maxx I had to keep two phone and I would move the SIM card to the phone with the fresh battery. The battery charger for the Razz Maxx could not keep up with demand. If you were watching video of security cameras the battery would die even if you were connected to the charger. The Note 5 will probably keep up with demand but I doubt you could effectively charge the battery and watch video at the same time. It would be a sloooooooow charge.
Three other bad things about using the usb connection to charge your phone.
1. Batteries have a longer life span if they or cycled property and slow charged.
2. It's going to cause wear to the usb port that you need primarily to transfer data. I guess You could use wireless charging to avoid that problem.
3. Heat: If you are Fast Cycling the discharge and charging of the Note 5, it is going to produce a lot of HEAT that is bad for batteries. Batteries charge better and live longer when they are charged cool. I keep a air conditioned room on my job site just to charge batteries for my power tools. When I pop a fresh battery into my Note 4 it cools the whole phone down.
All I can say is enjoy your new Note 5 and have fun.

Unless root adds micro sd, I think my days of Samsung devices as ended with the Note 4. Even if all go away from cards, I will not buy another Samsung out of spite.

Does 'Always On' interfere with Doze on S7?

As you may or may not know; most everyone (who isn't with T-Mobile) got their pre-orders in today for the Galaxy s7 and s7 edge.
I did, and love the fast charging! Upgrading from s5 to s7 has many perks, but I already see some pretty major cons. So this post is a mix of things I noticed, and my question is
"Do you notice some of these things as well on your S7 or S7 Edge?"
1) When gaming you can easily muffle the side speaker which sounds terrible
2) Fingerprint magnet backing and screen
3) You have to press the home button to turn screen on, then rest your finger on the home button again to unlock.. Kinda annoying
4) Heat, Heat Heat! Holding the phone in my palm for over 7 or so minutes will make my palms sweaty due to the heat, most notable behind the right side of the front screen on the back.
5) I don't believe Doze is kicking in, even after turning off the Always On display feature. I'm going to do more reporting and experiments to ensure this is valid. I already know how Doze works with my Nexus 7 (2013) and I love it! Leaving it on the table all night and only lose 1% is amazing! :good: Just hope my phone will follow the same way. If not, I think Verizon and Samsung are holding back on us.
6) My bank doesn't support the Samsung pay yet, and I'm sure a huge majority of users won't be able to use it until their bank does contact Samsung to enroll. My bank already has started the process, but it will take up to 45 days to even hear back from Samsung according to my bank. Oh well, Android Pay for now.

don't think doze is working here either.. when i checked gsam, i saw that I was losing either the exact same amount or more battery when the screen was actually off! crazy.
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What's "Doze"?

fastbenny said:
As you may or may not know; most everyone (who isn't with T-Mobile) got their pre-orders in today for the Galaxy s7 and s7 edge.
I did, and love the fast charging! Upgrading from s5 to s7 has many perks, but I already see some pretty major cons. So this post is a mix of things I noticed, and my question is
"Do you notice some of these things as well on your S7 or S7 Edge?"
1) When gaming you can easily muffle the side speaker which sounds terrible
2) Fingerprint magnet backing and screen
3) You have to press the home button to turn screen on, then rest your finger on the home button again to unlock.. Kinda annoying
4) Heat, Heat Heat! Holding the phone in my palm for over 7 or so minutes will make my palms sweaty due to the heat, most notable behind the right side of the front screen on the back.
5) I don't believe Doze is kicking in, even after turning off the Always On display feature. I'm going to do more reporting and experiments to ensure this is valid. I already know how Doze works with my Nexus 7 (2013) and I love it! Leaving it on the table all night and only lose 1% is amazing! :good: Just hope my phone will follow the same way. If not, I think Verizon and Samsung are holding back on us.
6) My bank doesn't support the Samsung pay yet, and I'm sure a huge majority of users won't be able to use it until their bank does contact Samsung to enroll. My bank already has started the process, but it will take up to 45 days to even hear back from Samsung according to my bank. Oh well, Android Pay for now.
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I am pretty sure doze works for me and I am on Verizon. I have my always on display turned off. My battery life is incredible. It's better than my lg g4. I did disable quite a few apps which helps. Also, disabling location history with Google helps a ton. That was an issue on my LG g4 as well.
My bank doesn't support Samsung pay either.

If you want to USE Samsung Pay just for the hell of it like I did, and your bank doesn't support it yes like mine (5th/3rd)...there is one work around I have found!
There is indeed one prepaid debit card that I know for a fact works well with it! It's the CHASE LIQUID DEBIT VISA card. Have to go to a chase bank to get it. Takes about 10 minutes or so to set up. Basic info is collected from you (personal info like you would give for any account / card).
Anyway, if you want to just try it out, it's an option. I used it at Walmart just 3 days ago. Pretty darn cool... Worked exactly like the commercial lol.
And right now when you make your first purchase on a registered card, you get to pick from a few $30 digital gift cards. I picked an EBay one. There was also Best Buy, and some other lesser known ones. Credited to your Samsung Pay account right away under the gift card accounts.
I still haven't decided on its merits. It's fun, especially if you're a geek like I suspect most of us on here are. But beyond that, it's still mostly easier to swipe a card. But for security and pure tech awesomeness... I'm going to probably continue to use it just because lol.
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If you want to USE Samsung Pay just for the hell of it like I did, and your bank doesn't support it yes like mine (5th/3rd)...there is one work around I have found!
There is indeed one prepaid debit card that I know for a fact works well with it! It's the CHASE LIQUID DEBIT VISA card. Have to go to a chase bank to get it. Takes about 10 minutes or so to set up. Basic info is collected from you (personal info like you would give for any account / card).
Anyway, if you want to just try it out, it's an option. I used it at Walmart just 3 days ago. Pretty darn cool... Worked exactly like the commercial lol.
And right now when you make your first purchase on a registered card, you get to pick from a few $30 digital gift cards. I picked an EBay one. There was also Best Buy, and some other lesser known ones. Credited to your Samsung Pay account right away under the gift card accounts.
I still haven't decided on its merits. It's fun, especially if you're a geek like I suspect most of us on here are. But beyond that, it's still mostly easier to swipe a card. But for security and pure tech awesomeness... I'm going to probably continue to use it just because lol.
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wrong thread? lol

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wrong thread? lol
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Lol I'm not sure how it's the wrong thread. Read the OP. He posted 6 statements. Number 6 was all about Samsung Pay. Only one out of 6 of his OP discussion observations (#5) was concerning the "always on" or "doze" features. Are you sure I have the wrong thread?
5 out of 6 of his observations have nothing to do with the title... Shall you tell him the same? Lol Sheesh...
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whoops lol i only read the part about doze. my bad!
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check this out. gsam says my phone hasn't gone into doze at all the past few hours.
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So my question is, how long does it have to sit idle before doze kicks in?
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Is the phone in your pocket? I read doze only kicks in once the phone is completely stationary.

nah it was sitting on my desk. weird. I've made another thread so as to not derail this one from op.
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Is the htc 10 worth buying?

Hi guys, so I've been looking for a new phone and since I have a big contract I can choose whatever phone I want for the same price (around 60 euros)..I really like the overall design and specs of the phone and I watched a lot of reviews but I wanted to ask your opinion..Is it worth signing a 2 year contract for this to be my daily phone..I Will torture the phone beacuse I do a lot of stuff on my phone..I read a lot of stuff and I dont know what is the best choice..All opinions are welcome.Thx guys
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How do you use your phone?
Do you plan on flashing custom ROMs / care about root?
Is reception/battery life going to affect your ability to make money? As in, does your phone directly impact your job?
What options do you have if/when your phone becomes damaged and you need to replace it with insurance? Is this a factor that should be heavily weighed?
You might see more answers on the general htc 10 forum @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/

@noahjk
I use my phone pretty intense, I always root my devices and install different roms..Battery is not really that important but since I'm not home for aproximately 7-8 hours it would be great if the battery is decent (at least 3.5h SOT)..Actually I need a phone that is capable of handling anything that I need and yes sometimes I do depend on my phone when working..Insurance is not a big deal I always have temoered glass and heavy duty case..thx for the reply man, I really appreciate it
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If you're overseas (guessing you are based on using euros) and you can purchase the s7e with the exynos processor, it's capable of root/custom ROMs and will be an all-around better phone, as well as come with water resistance specs that the 10 misses. It'll have a better battery life, better camera, better screen, better signal. That being said, I traded in my (snapdragon) s7e for the HTC 10, and I'm (fairly) happy with the trade. I wasn't a fan of the edge screen and I didn't like not being able to root (again because of snapdragon). I don't think you can go wrong with either of these phones, and these are the two I'd suggest you consider.
Some of the downsides of the 10 in my opinion are: Slightly worse battery life, camera currently doesn't work as well - but can hopefully be fixed either by HTC or a ROM through software, signal isn't as good (most likely because of the metal construction), I'd prefer an AMOLED screen for the always-on capabilities and the truer blacks (although the screen on the 10 is nothing to scoff at), and the notification LED only shows green & amber (s7e is RGB)
Things I like better about the 10: I prefer the slightly smaller size (not small though, perfect size IMO), I like that it has a normal screen, the speaker quality is slightly better (although nothing to write home about), I prefer USB type C to the MicroUSB in the s7e. Going along with the edge screen, I find the 10 easier to use. I used to always touch the screen when I didn't want to while picking the phone up. This might also impact the type of cases made for the s7e as far as durability goes since they have to work around the screen.
I'd suggest checking them both out in a store and seeing which you like - I know that's not the best way to test them, but hopefully it'll help steer you in the right direction.
Good luck!

I'll let you know when Verizon decides to actually have these in stock in their stores in NJ so they can take my money...still nowhere to be found from Sparta to Newark...WTF??? I don't get the marketing plan on selling these things only online lol

bakemcbride21 said:
I'll let you know when Verizon decides to actually have these in stock in their stores in NJ so they can take my money...still nowhere to be found from Sparta to Newark...WTF??? I don't get the marketing plan on selling these things only online lol
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Have you tried Best Buy? I picked an HTC 10 on the Verizon launch date. One of my buddies picked one up 5/15, and the other guy picked one up on 5/19. On each occasion, the Verizon HTC 10 was available (only silver model) and they had plenty in stock.
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xRogerxC said:
Have you tried Best Buy? I picked an HTC 10 on the Verizon launch date. One of my buddies picked one up 5/15, and the other guy picked one up on 5/19. On each occasion, the Verizon HTC 10 was available (only silver model) and they had plenty in stock.
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Really? I've been to like 20 verizon stores from 4/29 through this past Wednesday....nada... LOL. I actually order through work on our state/gov't account, but I still wanted to see/hold the phone in person before taking the plunge. Though I finally caved on Friday afternoon once the Ice View case was also finally listed to order (25% discount). I have 30 days to hope for the carbon grey so I can return/exchange it!

The last few months I've gone through the LG V10 , the Moto X pure Style, and just picked up the HTC 10. I feel like the V10 in the Moto X were too big to function with one hand. I like to be able to reach all of the buttons on the screen in the top and bottom corners with one hand the htc10 it's perfect for that.
I'm big into music so I needed a phone that could satisfy my semi audiophile needs. Hardware wise I think the V10 was the best but to be completely honest I can't tell the difference between the V10 and the htc10 in the quality of the sound. The Moto X was obviously a disappointment compared to the other 2.
HTC did a very good job with their newest handset. The screen looks great much better than the Moto X and the audio quality it's on par with the V10 and I can hold it in one hand I've only had it for a few hours but I'll let you know after a week's use
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Love it so far
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I truly believe there is no better phone on the market than HTC 10. I laugh at my friend's s7 when he has random reboots or his s7 overheats after 35-40 min of using camera ( went to zoo with kiddos. We were using our phones to take pics when his s7 heated up and rebooted lol) HTC 10 is also durable! No overheating issue even while playing Works of tanks Blitz. And it's smooth as butter
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bakemcbride21 said:
I'll let you know when Verizon decides to actually have these in stock in their stores in NJ so they can take my money...still nowhere to be found from Sparta to Newark...WTF??? I don't get the marketing plan on selling these things only online lol
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come to ny, ithaca VZW is littered with HTC 10's

Im loving mine so far. ??
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Now that I'm s-off running Viper Rom. The phone is even better. Battery life has improved greatly.

Running latest base on LeeDroid and the phone is fantastic, around 5h SOT and smooth as butter.. Great job HTC and LeeDroid
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So far not loving mine...
Just got it back from @jcase Friday, spent all weekend setting it up
Verizon HTC 10 Variant
LeeDroid with current Verizon firmware
Samsung Evo+ mc128d 128gb Uhs-i Class 10 Micro SD Card
Right off the bat the phone wouldn’t activate - said to call customer service. They had me go to Settings/Backup Reset/Restore Network Settings - in order to get the phone to work you must reset Network Settings then reboot, then restore Network Settings and reboot again - then 4G will come online.
2nd - the Samsung EVO+ wouldn’t work, phone reported as corrupt right from the box. I bought this card specifically for the Random speed. Card worked in the computer. Formatted card in the phone…in the computer - nothing (this was exFAT)Corrupted. Formatted card as FAT32 - bingo, that worked.
Today I notice music is skipping and hesitating…Bluetooth is not automatically connecting to the car radio - and it just randomly disconnects also.
I've had the phone lock up on me too several times. Had to hold the power and volume buttons to force shutdown - each time I lose 4G - have to do the above reset Network Settings twice/reboot twice to restore the 4G

bakemcbride21 said:
Really? I've been to like 20 verizon stores from 4/29 through this past Wednesday....nada... LOL. I actually order through work on our state/gov't account, but I still wanted to see/hold the phone in person before taking the plunge. Though I finally caved on Friday afternoon once the Ice View case was also finally listed to order (25% discount). I have 30 days to hope for the carbon grey so I can return/exchange it!
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I got mine from the Verizon store on route 3 in Clifton.

billmcg said:
So far not loving mine...
Just got it back from @jcase Friday, spent all weekend setting it up
Verizon HTC 10 Variant
LeeDroid with current Verizon firmware
Samsung Evo+ mc128d 128gb Uhs-i Class 10 Micro SD Card
Right off the bat the phone wouldn’t activate - said to call customer service. They had me go to Settings/Backup Reset/Restore Network Settings - in order to get the phone to work you must reset Network Settings then reboot, then restore Network Settings and reboot again - then 4G will come online.
2nd - the Samsung EVO+ wouldn’t work, phone reported as corrupt right from the box. I bought this card specifically for the Random speed. Card worked in the computer. Formatted card in the phone…in the computer - nothing (this was exFAT)Corrupted. Formatted card as FAT32 - bingo, that worked.
Today I notice music is skipping and hesitating…Bluetooth is not automatically connecting to the car radio - and it just randomly disconnects also.
I've had the phone lock up on me too several times. Had to hold the power and volume buttons to force shutdown - each time I lose 4G - have to do the above reset Network Settings twice/reboot twice to restore the 4G
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Did you format the card for internal too? I have the same card and i'm not experiencing any problems. My want to try a different sd-card to rule that out.

sjpritch25 said:
Did you format the card for internal too? I have the same card and i'm not experiencing any problems. My want to try a different sd-card to rule that out.
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It wouldn't format internal storage as exFAT... Said it was too slow. Wouldn't work in the phone at all formatted as exFAT ... Internal or external
Any attempts to format in the computer didn't work either... It formatted alright / and worked in the computer... Just not in the phone.
Worked fine after formatting to FAT32
I tried half a dozen other cards at various sizes and manufacturers and they all worked... But they are all over 5 years old and FAT32 as well... I haven't taken the time to try and format one of them as exFAT to see if they would work..., maybe if I get some time I'll give it a try
I've adjusted the buffer settings and whatnot in Poweramp and I'm still getting music skipping don't know if that's the card or not

Well I think my card may be a little different. Also, are you using windows to format them? Thats not good.
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This is the card I purchased https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw
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