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XPERIA X1 White Paper, Specs etc

Seems there has been a lot of people still speculating despite the fact that confirmed info has been available on the phone for some time. Revision 3 of the white paper details quite a lot of stuff about it and is available here on SE's developer website. You just need to enter the 4 letters to confirm you're a real person and not a robot. Interesting points (either from the white paper or an interview I saw with the phone's dev team and marketing guy:
The phone definitely HAS got proper 3D drivers. I have also seen this confirmed in an interview with the development team.
While built by HTC, the phone is engineered by Sony Ericsson; they designed it themselves apparently, HTC is just the ODM.
No Opera...ships with IE only. BOOOOOOO!
There will be a US and European version of the phone. The US version has 850MHz UMTS while the Euro has the 900MHz band instead. The US version is also crippled in some features (mainly relating to video recording/playback - only records QVGA video at 24fps when Euro does it VGA at 30fps. Also doesn't decode H264) due to some issues with patents in the US.
Comes in 2 colours: black and silver
Has a touch mouse as well as a 4 direction button controller (though sadly there are no arrow keys on the keyboard. If you look at the photos you CAN see a CTRL key though, which is great...finally keyboard shortcuts work!).
Should hit the market end of August or in September, so a bit earlier than was previously thought.
Oh and one more thing. People are commenting from pre-production phones that the panels are slow (sometimes using this to justify that it doesn't have working 3D drivers). This is due to the fact that the panel app is still being worked on and has been in debug mode on the pre-production models, or so I read...when it's compiled properly for the production model it should be much faster.

it's not really new and there have been circulating info about changes since then

Yeah I'm aware of that, just noticed that there were still some people commenting on 3d/lack of 3d drivers in here as late as yesterday so thought I'd better post it...

why i had an impression that the version sold in europe would work fully all around the world and have multiple bands to be able to use umts and everything in europe and US.. i must me mistaken then huh?

Should still work pretty much everywhere, is quad band gsm...it is just not on every band for UMTS...850 is only common in America and Australia (only on Telstra's network) as far as I'm aware...900 is more common elsewhere and will even be coming to Australia eventually I think when they stop using it for GSM...

Xperia X1a, X1c and X1i
Does anyone even knows the difference between Xperia X1a, X1c and X1i?
And if so, does anyone know which of them will be released?
There will be a US and European version of the phone. The US version has 850MHz UMTS while the Euro has the 900MHz band instead. The US version is also crippled in some features (mainly relating to video recording/playback - only records QVGA video at 24fps when Euro does it VGA at 30fps. Also doesn't decode H264) due to some issues with patents in the US.
First i guessed that the x1a was the prototype but they write about stuff like it is better on the x1c then the x1a?
In the white papers they talk about x1a and x1c what they say about x1a sounds like the US version you are talking about and the x1c sounds like the euro version u are talking about.
BTW i havent seen that the phone even has quad-band? Where did u find this info?
Which ones will be available?
And does anyone even knows a release date?
MDA Vario IV (HTC Touch Pro/Raphael) is delayed instead of mid june to 4-8 august since htc did something for this phone i guess the release of this phone is delayed to?
ThnX

nobody got anything but guesses
only official word is q4
some say september some say november

X1c is the chinese model.

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i havent seen that the phone even has quad-band? Where did u find this info?
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It is in the white paper (general technical info section).
"Quad-band EDGE
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Tri-band HSPA
•X1a: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•X1c: 900/1900/2100 MHz"

caeci11ius said:
It is in the white paper (general technical info section).
"Quad-band EDGE
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Tri-band HSPA
•X1a: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•X1c: 900/1900/2100 MHz"
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omfg, really sorry here i think i had just read over it.. i only saw the Tri-band HSPA.. Sorryy again.

Are there reliable specs on the amount of Ram - both included and available? I could see a pre-release device on a road show in june, and it showed only 80 MB Ram installed of which only 19 MB were free. So I guess that the device had really 128 MB on-board. However, 19 MB available Ram is not enough for applications like navigation which require lots of ram for routing purposes.
The Sony guys I talked to could not comment on this - in fact, they were somewhat surprised that anyone would inquire on the Ram on a mobile phone. Obviously they were not yet used to the world of WM6, where the customer is interested in more than just Rom for MP3-storage.
Lit

http://smape.com/en/reviews//Sony_Ericsson_XPERIA_X1-prev.html
got some nice pictures too

Thanks

GSM Models of HTC Hero: Which is the correct model I should buy?

HELP WANTED TO IDENTIFY HTC HERO MODEL #s, and what they can tell you re the specific version of the Hero you're getting. ADVICE also wanted to buying online.
I've had two HTC WindowsMobile Phones over past 4 years, all through T-Mobile USA, I've been very active @XDA, and now I'm switching to Android. Took me a while to choose which HTC android phone Model I wanted, since my carrier, T-Mobile USA, decided not to carry the Hero.
Yesterday I spent several hours at my T-Mobile store getting a feel for the first time of several Android devices -- including the G1, the myTouch, and the new Motorola Cliq (which I didn't care for at all). So many reviews on YouTube and various Smartphone news & info sites have convinced me the HTC Hero is what I want. And I am giving up 3G data speeds on T-Mobile's USA Network in order to get this phone.
Which Model Do I want?
The "Device database" site that links at the top of every page here at XDA shows all these following versions of the HTC Hero. I want to figure out specifically if one of the models shown was ever put into production, or whether it was just an early prototype while HTC was shopping it around to carriers:
COMPARISON CHART OF HTC HERO MODEL VERSIONS:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2061&id2=2005&id3=1966&id4=1955&id5=1954
Note Item #1: I have to assume this model was never put into production, and that it was perhaps just a prototype to "sell" to T-Mobile USA to carry this model, and they of course passed.
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But it was also reviewed on YouTube under this specific model name (HTC Hero / T-Mobile G2 Touch)... And so if this model somehow was produced (doubtful), it would be the Hero I'd want to buy, since it would work at 3G speeds on the T-Mobile USA 3G network, which requires bands 1700 and 2100.
Here is the other GSM model listed... I know from researching all of this that T-Mobile UK has the Hero (but only in Black and in White), that Orange UK has it, that Denmark has a version that is gunmetal blue-grey, and that India has a Hero model as well. I don't know which is which in terms of specs.
And then here are the new USA models, for Sprint (released), and Verizon (not yet released):
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Very likely someone will confirm here that the model I buy won't be usable on T-Mobile USA's 3G network.. I've reconciled to that, and STILL want this phone over T-Mo's Android 3G phones: myTouch, Motorola Cliq.
But I want to buy the right model, so is it #2 or #3? At the online stores, mostly all I see is the GSM Hero listed THIS way:
HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS Unlocked Phone
but I have also seen one listed this way (sold in Singapore):
HTC Hero / HTC A6262 / Google G3
I have spoken to HTC USA -- not a help at all -- I have written to vendors -- they don't know. I have written to PDAdb.net -- no reply So please help me solve this so I can hurry up and order this phone. Thank you!

(1) does not exist, there is no Hero that supports the 1700 band that (only) T-Mobile USA uses. HERO100 is the product number of (2), which is the European/Asian version, and, as I am typing, is currently the only version of Hero with that chin.
(3) is going to be released later this week in Canada with Telus. It should looks exactly the same with HERO100. The only difference is that it supports 850/1900, which Telus and some other carriers in North and South America use for their 3G networks, in particular AT&T in the US. It carries a product number of HERO130. I am not sure if there will be an unlocked version of this phone for retail, but I am sure that people will find a way to unlock the carrier specific version within days.
(5) has released on Sprint, there is not much I can say about it that is not in the pic you posted. It is a CDMA phone, the same goes for (4), which has been renamed to Droid Eris and looks rather different from all its Hero siblings.
If you are sticking with T-Mobile USA, I am sorry but there is no Hero that supports T-Mobile USA 3G network. Don't waste your time looking for one. T-Mobile USA is the only carrier in this world that utilize the 1700 band for its 3G network (no, T-Mobile in the Europe doesn't use 1700). Unless T-Mobile USA was going to carry the Hero on their network, which they had already declined, the chance of having a compatible Hero is very very slim. In this case, HERO100 and HERO130 are the same phone to you. They will run fine on EDGE, but no 3G. If you are gonig to switch to, say, AT&T, then you should go for HERO130 instead of HERO100, since that one is compatible with AT&T's 3G network.

Is the Hero "A6262" the same as the Hero100 ?
Oh, excellent! Leave it to XDA to have clear answers in under 3 hours... vs days of unanswered questions elsewhere. Thank you so much, tsekh501. So, the Hero100 = Europe/Asia model = UMTS 900/2100 = Picture #2. Is this also known as HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS ? Because the designation "A6262" is the most common way the HTC Hero is denoted at various online vendors' sites.
tsekh501 said:
(3) is going to be released later this week... it supports 850/1900, which (AT&T) use for their 3G networks...in the US. It carries a product number of HERO130. ...I am not sure if there will be an unlocked version of this phone for retail, but I am sure that people will find a way to unlock the carrier specific version within days.
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The likelihood of my ever contracting with AT&T is so slim -- I plan to never forget their lead role in the domestic spying on every single person in the United States for all phone & internet traffic. This is why I never went for the iphone.
If you are sticking with T-Mobile USA...HERO100 and HERO130 are the same phone to you. They will run fine on EDGE, but no 3G. If you are going to switch to, say, AT&T, then you should go for HERO130 instead of HERO100, since that one is compatible with AT&T's 3G network.
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... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
(5) has released on Sprint, there is not much I can say about it that is not in the pic you posted. It is a CDMA phone, the same goes for (4), which has been renamed to Droid Eris and looks rather different from all its Hero siblings.
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I see that now:
(This sounds pretty snide... but who knows, maybe given the Hero's older processor, compared to the new Motorola DROID and the HTC Leo, maybe it's true
CNET: "... it should launch November 6, and it will supposedly run $99 after rebate. That's pretty cheap considering it matches the specs of the $180 Hero ... a bundled 8GB MicroSD card. ...Dan and I were talking about how one of Sprint's flagship phones, what was the premiere Android phone before the Droid came along, will be Verizon's el cheapo Android handset come Friday. The Hero more than warrants the $180 Sprint charges, but Verizon sees it as a last-gen device only worthy of last-gen pricing. That, to us, shows the carrier is really planning to push Android hardware to the next level.
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Thanks -- my first thread in the Hero forum and a home-run reply in post#2. Thanks very much!

Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it. It just a "normal" GSM Hero branded by T-Mobile for its european networks. My guess is that whomever put together that table on PDAnet saw it said T-Mobile and just assumed it would be for T-Mobile US. This is further evidenced by the model number, which remains Hero 100.
To be honest, if you want a GSM Hero, they are all basically the same at the moment with the only differences being the colour and the pre-installed apps in the ROM. For example SEE Hero's don't seem to come with the Market. Oh - an the white Hero is teflon coated too! Allegedly a Canadian network (Rogers?) will be launching a GSM Hero which supports AT&T 3G bands (Hero 130), but that doesn't help you much if you are staying with T-Mobile US.
So, my advice is - pick a colour!
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it. It just a "normal" GSM Hero branded by T-Mobile for its european networks. My guess is that whomever put together that table on PDAnet saw it said T-Mobile and just assumed it would be for T-Mobile US. This is further evidenced by the model number, which remains Hero 100.
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There exists a Hero with the name of (1) T-Mobile G2 Touch, which is basically (2). But there does NOT exists a Hero with the spec listed for (1) above. T-Mobile G2 Touch is (2) branded for T-Mobile in Europe and is NOT compatible with the 3G network of T-Mobile USA.

quicksite said:
... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
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No, what I was saying is that this Canadian carrier, Telus, will be releasing a version of HTC Hero, HERO130, that will be compatible with AT&T US 3G network. It is very unlikely that AT&T themselves will carry the HTC Hero or any Android phones for that matter anytime soon.
(a) It won't be AT&T branded. It may be Telus branded, but it hasn't been released yet, no one knows what Telus will do to it. No one knows at the moment whether there will be a generic unlocked version of the Hero available in the Canada either.
(b) Yes I have read that. But what I've read is that they have this "unlimited" data limit of 5GB per month. Once you reached that they will start throttling your data usage. Seriously, 5GB is A LOT. My normal month data usage does not exist 500MB, and I am using an Android phone. Unlike you enjoy sitting at a no-wifi cafe and stream video all day, or play online games (do they even exist on Android?) it is pretty hard to hit 5GB. And if you are sitting down and want to do this kind of data heavy thing, normally you would much prefer to hook up with a wifi hotspot. Mainly for speed reason.

The Telus version is the A6265. Lets hope these get unlocked soon so I can use it on AT&T

Twenty4 said:
The Telus version is the A6265. Lets hope these get unlocked soon so I can use it on AT&T
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Thanks! ... so let me add the pic here, just to get them all captured and differentiated in one spot:
The Telus version: the A6265
Fishing around, i found this comment, fyi:
the walmart i work at already has the hero in stock here in ontario, we are able to activate them on the 5th of november
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from HTC's website:
and from Telus Mobility:
No Contract price: $499
from Android Central: Telus Hero unboxed "Surprise: Unbranded"
from Howards Forums:
Question for the more knowledgeable of Canadian providers. Is Telus available in the western coast of CA? I live in Seattle and often times find myself in Bellingham, a stone's throw away from BC.
telus is big in B.C, finding a store to buy phones would not be a problem.
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thanks tsekh -- your knowledge is invaluable.
tsekh501 said:
No, what I was saying is that this Canadian carrier, Telus, will be releasing a version of HTC Hero, HERO130, that will be compatible with AT&T US 3G network.... But what I've read is that they have this "unlimited" data limit of 5GB per month. Once you reached that they will start throttling your data usage. Seriously, 5GB is A LOT.
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THIS was the article I was speaking of ... indicating there is further thinking going on, don't you think?
AT&T Wireless CEO Hints at ‘Managing’ iPhone Data Usage Mark Sullivan, PC World, Oct 7, 2009 4:11 pm
...De la Vega ... cited AT&T research showing that just 3 percent of AT&T's smartphone customers [read iPhone users] use 40 percent of all smartphone data, that they consume 13 times the data of "the average smartphone customer," yet represent less than 1 percent of AT&T’s total postpaid customer base. ... So in the absence of new spectrum and new, faster 4G networks, what does AT&T intend to do about the growing demand in the near term?
De la Vega’s comments on this subject really caught my attention.
Without the proper management of these networks, De la Vega said, regular data users will be “crowded out” by the small number of users [read iPhone users] who use massive amounts of data.
“We have to manage the network to make sure that the few cannot crowd out the many,” De la Vega continued.
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He said the words “crowded out” at least five times in that part of his keynote address.... Of course nobody outside AT&T knows exactly what the company has in mind. But if De la Vega's numbers are correct, AT&T will be forced to do something, and I got the impression that De la Vega was casually introducing the "rationing" concept to the wireless community today.
AT&T's exclusive deal with Apple to sell the iPhone has made it a top-shelf wireless provider, but that blessing could become a curse if the AT&T 3G network can't keep up with the large bandwidth appetite of the popular device.
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The reason for my followup here is to say I've now thought it through, and (a) I want the brown handset -- so that's GSM Europe/Asia, since Telus is only offering the handset in black or white, and (b) I'll be satisfied with 2G and wi-fi. Thanks again.

quicksite said:
Thanks! ... so let me add the pic here, just to get them all captured and differentiated in one spot:
The Telus version: the A6265
Fishing around, i found this comment, fyi:
from HTC's website:
and from Telus Mobility:
No Contract price: $499
from Android Central: Telus Hero unboxed "Surprise: Unbranded"
from Howards Forums:
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Nice. But unbranded does not mean that the phone is unlocked (although there is a chance that it is), there is still "Telus" written on the box. I won't be too worry about the possibility of unlocking it though, given we have seen what the people here can do.
I am using the European version on AT&T and am thinking about selling mine and importing the Telus version.

Can't find the Telus version anywhere on the web other than ordering from the telus website which does NOT ship outside of Canada.

I guess they will start popping up on eBay very soon.
I am asking a friend of mine who lives in Canada to get one from Telus directly.

quicksite said:
Oh, excellent! Leave it to XDA to have clear answers in under 3 hours... vs days of unanswered questions elsewhere. Thank you so much, tsekh501. So, the Hero100 = Europe/Asia model = UMTS 900/2100 = Picture #2. Is this also known as HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS ? Because the designation "A6262" is the most common way the HTC Hero is denoted at various online vendors' sites.
The likelihood of my ever contracting with AT&T is so slim -- I plan to never forget their lead role in the domestic spying on every single person in the United States for all phone & internet traffic. This is why I never went for the iphone.
... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
I see that now:
(This sounds pretty snide... but who knows, maybe given the Hero's older processor, compared to the new Motorola DROID and the HTC Leo, maybe it's true
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Thanks -- my first thread in the Hero forum and a home-run reply in post#2. Thanks very much!
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The 'older' processor of the Hero? How new is the DROID's processor going to be? Read this review and see for yourself:
http://nerdworld.blogs.time.com/2009/11/05/motorola-droid-review-verizon-wireless/

tsekh501 said:
There exists a Hero with the name of (1) T-Mobile G2 Touch, which is basically (2). But there does NOT exists a Hero with the spec listed for (1) above. T-Mobile G2 Touch is (2) branded for T-Mobile in Europe and is NOT compatible with the 3G network of T-Mobile USA.
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Errhhh - that is what I said!
Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it
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Regards,
Dave

blackvyper said:
The 'older' processor of the Hero? How new is the DROID's processor going to be? Read this review and see for yourself:
http://nerdworld.blogs.time.com/2009/11/05/motorola-droid-review-verizon-wireless/
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Well I didn't author the snide comment... CNET did. But here are the specs compared in PDAdb.net:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2011&id2=2061

Best Buy Canada -- now has the Telus Heros for sale (stores only)
It says they are only for sale IN STORES ...
(that last $999.99 is probably meant to be $99.99 -- same as the white phone for 3 year contract; same as on Telus website)
Home > Best Buy Mobile > Cell Phones > Smartphones > Telus > Product Information

The Arm Cortex-A8 core at the heart of the Droid is a much more modern design than the Arm-11 core in the Hero's Qualcomm processor. Clock for clock, you can expect it to be significantly faster.
See this article comparing the two cores in the iPhone. Whilst they don't use the same SoC as the Hero and Droid, they are based on the same Arm cores (iPhone 3G - ARM11, iPhone 3GS - Arm Cortex-A8) so the comparisons are likely to be apposite.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
The Arm Cortex-A8 core at the heart of the Droid is a much more modern design than the Arm-11 core in the Hero's Qualcomm processor. Clock for clock, you can expect it to be significantly faster.
See this article comparing the two cores in the iPhone. Whilst they don't use the same SoC as the Hero and Droid, they are based on the same Arm cores (iPhone 3G - ARM11, iPhone 3GS - Arm Cortex-A8) so the comparisons are likely to be apposite.
Regards,
Dave
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Dave, you are a master of info. I'm only 2 days into this Hero forum (after 3 years on the windows mobile forums here), and you really deliver the goods. I look forward to getting my phone. I'm sure this Hero forum will be great for development.
This was very cool to read in that article, so thx for the reference.
A Call to Action
This leads me to a further point: we need more transparency in specs from smartphone manufacturers. The mobile phone market is all too shielded from the performance metrics and accountability that we’ve had in the PC space. When Intel was shipping Pentium 4s that performed slower than the Pentium IIIs they were replacing, we called them out on it. To this day, Apple refuses to talk about the processor in the iPhone 3GS. We get to hear all about what’s in the Nehalem Mac Pro, but the hardware behind the 3GS is off limits - despite the fact that it’s very good. This policy of not delivering specifics and a general unwillingness to talk about specs is absurd at best. It doesn’t take much more than a teardown and some homebrew code to figure out what CPU at what frequency is in any modern day smartphone; manufacturers should show pride in their hardware, or refrain from putting something inside a phone that’s they can’t be proud of.
What we need are cache sizes, clock speeds, full architecture disclosures. They don’t have to be on the phone’s marketing materials but make them accessible and at least some of the focus. These SoCs are so incredibly cool, they pack more power than the desktops of 10 years ago into a single chip smaller than my thumbnail - boast about them! Palm had a tremendous leg up on the competition with its OMAP 3430 processor, yet there was hardly any attention paid to it by Palm. I get that the vast majority of consumers don’t get, but those who do, would help tremendously if given access to this information. It’s something to get excited about.
And if the manufacturers won’t devote time and energy to this stuff, then I will.
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I really don't have any plans of getting the verizon version (Eris) as I feel it was built on the same set as the sprint version and will most likly suck in the battery department as the GSM version does not. Ohwell, hope we see theses soon. I can't find a single shop in canada that will ship to the USA...

Well the contract from when I bought my Tilt two years ago just ended. I will be buying the Telus Hero as soon as I can find one. Then I will research which non-smartphone I can get from AT&T with the biggest turn around on Ebay.
That way I can get keep the cheap data plan I have now and re-coupe some of the cash from paying full price for the Hero.

[REF] Nexus S Hardware Model variants

05/07/11 - Finally, nexus wiki page is updated a few weeks ago. My apologies for being under the rock this whole time. Kudos to the guys who did all the work. Thanks so much guys for helping providing these infos. Keep them coming if you have anything to add.
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I think there should be a sticky, or an updated nexus s wiki, about the variants of nexus s we are having lately and upcoming
Like, for example:
gt-i9020t for t-mobile, with info like samoled, t-mobile radio band, ...
gt-i9023 for europe, with amoled/sclcd, ...
and the ones coming out in canada
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Well, I finally figured out all these technical problems I was having - Thread got moved
Anyway, I just hope that we all share what we know, correct misleading info, gather it all and hopefully someone update the Nexus S wiki page.
(like the Galaxy S page where different models are listed which I think is very helpful)
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Model: GT-I9020T
Compatibility: T-Mobile USA, Wind, Mobility (900/1700/2100)
Screen type: Super AMOLED
Model: GT-I9020A, GT-I9020F
Compatibility: AT&T, Rogers, Fido, Telus, Bell (850/1900/2100)
Screen type: Super AMOLED
(Rooting differs from I9020T)
Model: GT-I9023
Compatibility: Most of countries outside of the N America continent
Screen type: Super Clear LCD
(Rooting method also differs from I9020T)
Model: SPH-D720
Screen: Super AMOLED
Bands: 800MHZ/1900MHZ/2.5GHZ (Sprint // 1xRTT, EVDO Rev. A, WiMAX)
--Thanks to NastyNate208--
Model: SHW-M200K, SHW-M200S
Compatibility: KT, SKT
Screen type: Super AMOLED
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why dont you start it then? :|

zephiK said:
why dont you start it then? :|
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Actually, this just came up while I was about to buy myself one
Now, I am holding off because I want to get an at&t compatible one, but worried if it has sclcd which I don't prefer
As I digged deeper, the more I got confused
So I thought there should be some info on this that would help me and everyone else
Yes, I would make a thread for this, only if I had the time as I have a very tight schedule with work and school

9020 samoloed 9023 slcd
and if I'm not mistaken the 9023 is only around in europe. (which is why i have one - and let me tell you the screen isn't half bad either - the only pain is that it needs different recovery roms than the 9020 and that finding out how to unlock/root it took 10 extra minutes )

i think you guys got it a bit off...
i9020 is the original one (T-mobile USA 1700/2100 3G)
then came the i9023 (Europe 1700/2100 3G)
and it came the
i9020A (for AT&T 850/1900 3G)
and coming soon is the Nexus S 4G for sprint, which we do not yet the model code

jk0l said:
Actually, this just came up while I was about to buy myself one
Now, I am holding off because I want to get an at&t compatible one, but worried if it has sclcd which I don't prefer
As I digged deeper, the more I got confused
So I thought there should be some info on this that would help me and everyone else
Yes, I would make a thread for this, only if I had the time as I have a very tight schedule with work and school
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The AT&T is 9020A, the 9020 model is Super AMOLED. Adding the A means it'll be Super AMOLED. If it was SLCD then it would be 9023A.
Sprint will probably be 9020S

zephiK said:
The AT&T is 9020A, the 9020 model is Super AMOLED. Adding the A means it'll be Super AMOLED. If it was SLCD then it would be 9023A.
Sprint will probably be 9020S
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Considering one has to use the rooting technics of the 9023 to get a 9020A rooted, i don't see rhyme or reason for standard in the naming convention.
I strongly suspect that 9020 means AMOLED, 9023 means LCD, the A indicates ATT, the carrier info, or A as an official variant of the base model.
I believe that the reason the 9023 guide needs to be used to root the 9020A is because of the hardware revision of the device. I don't think that the 9023's only major difference is the screen and radio, there is something else more under the hood that is making a difference in how the phone behaves. And it's these changes that are brought into future models (like the 9020A)
My Device for example is marked as "REV - 16" for it's hardware revision

Matridom said:
I strongly suspect that 9020 means AMOLED, 9023 means LCD, the A indicates ATT, the carrier info, or A as an official variant of the base model.
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this is indeed correct if you look over at the i9000 forum
all the SLCD version of the Galaxy S are coded i9003 or something with a 3, like i903 (china SLCD version), i909 (china SAMOLED verison)
so for whatever the reason they like to use 3 to mean SLCD version

Nexus S Variants
*technical problem*

*technical problem again , updated first post*

SO what does my number signify? if anything?
GT-I9020FSRRWC
It's on the Rogers Network here in Canada

sal14m said:
SO what does my number signify? if anything?
GT-I9020FSRRWC
It's on the Rogers Network here in Canada
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Super AMOLED screen.

Just Information,
I'm from Indonesia and Baseband version is I9023XXKB3.

@jk0l
you should also list the frequency bands they operate in 3G otherwise is pretty useless to only know the models
we all know quad-band works with voice, but 3G are different for each of those
refer to my previous replies for details
the AT&T/Rogers/Fido also works on Telus/Bell
the T-mobile USA version also works with MobilityCity, Windmobile, Vidéotron

AllGamer said:
@jk0l
you should also list the frequency bands they operate in 3G otherwise is pretty useless to only know the models
we all know quad-band works with voice, but 3G are different for each of those
refer to my previous replies for details
the AT&T/Rogers/Fido also works on Telus/Bell
the T-mobile USA version also works with MobilityCity, Windmobile, Vidéotron
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I assumed that everyone already aware of the 3g stuff since I've put down the carriers
But anyway, I've just included it as you prefer
PS. did you know that videotron still carries nexus one?
I dont know about now, but it was there the last time I checked

Don't foget that the i9023 is slightly thicker than the i9020 too - dues to the sclcd screen technology.
I found this out the hard way when buying a case for my i9023. It doesn't fit!

re: wiki
everyone is free to help update the wiki
you automatically have access to edit the wiki, for those that knows how to code in Wiki language.

GT-i9023 also can be had with a white battery cover, colour is classed as Perl White on the box.

what about the first stock model?
model Nexus S(yha thats how its model name is on my nexus s.):S
well its model GT-I9020
not I9020T.

last time i checked, england is in europe, and it has the i9020.
i'm also coming to the conclusion that the 9020a that's available in canada has improved gps drivers. of course as the phone - i'm guessing - will need root to install new drivers on the phone - those with the existing problem are sol. that's why google are 'looking into the problem' which i don't believe was not caught in testing, and is probably why a new phone has been released in canada for samsung to prove they can correct the problems.

Precautions before buying used Venue Pro

Hi everyone. I'm buying a used, unlocked T-Mobile DVP 8GB soon, manufactured around January 2011 and is supposedly running Mango. I realize the phone is filled with issues, but they have supposedly been fixed by now. I'm just wondering if there are any specific issues I should check for before going ahead with the sale. Thanks!

No compass...yet

That's fine with me. I was thinking more along the line of things like checking all the keys to make sure they type the right letter (saw in another thread that x and z were switched for some reason), the device can be detected by a computer when connecting through USB, the phone doesn't reboot when you touch the screen, etc...
Also, what's the latest firmware/OS version for the DVP right now?

khara said:
That's fine with me. I was thinking more along the line of things like checking all the keys to make sure they type the right letter (saw in another thread that x and z were switched for some reason), the device can be detected by a computer when connecting through USB, the phone doesn't reboot when you touch the screen, etc...
Also, what's the latest firmware/OS version for the DVP right now?
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I've had absolutely no problems out of my DVP. 7.10.7720.68 is the latest OS version on mine. Yeah, the compass is a strange omission considering the hardware is there and was originally implemented but maps seems to orient just fine when I need directions. GPS is crazy fast.

Sounds good! Do you know the latest firmware version number as well?

khara said:
Sounds good! Do you know the latest firmware version number as well?
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latest DVP update is 7.10.8107 if the mobile is a factory unlocked version
if you have operator specific model like say T-Mobile / ATT then it would be 7.10.7720 or in some cases 7.10.7740

I too am considering a Dell Venue Pro. I am on Mobilicity in Toronto area and getting a decent Windows Phone that operates on AWS frequencies (1700/2100) is a challenge. T-Mobile phones are the only option but ordering a T-Mobile phone into Canada is a challenge too. It would be simply easier to drive to the NY State or Michigan and buy from a T-Mobile store and then unlock but I don't have 3-4 hours to burn. The Dell Venue Pro is easily available and is unlocked even ordering from Amazon.com.
If anyone has serious reservations please advise. Even better if someone is reading this and is on Mobilicity with this phone, I would appreciate any comments good or bad.

DVP !!
Hey,
M in India, and I got a DVP unlocked 16 gig, and I have no issues with it.
For me its the best looking phone out there
I dont care much about the specs(I mean if you compare the phones out there today, DVP lags behind), and the specs that a DVP has, is enough for me.
I have had only one stuck up, where I had to remove the battery to power it back on. That's it. Otherwise it has worked smoothly.
No other random reboot, no lag.
One thing, the camera is bad. You wont be able to take motion pictures. It will be blurry.
After Mango update, and making some changes in the settings, the still pics are gr8, but if you are trying to capture something that's moving, then m sorry, this aint the phone for you
I bought it in November 2011.
Current version:
OS version: 7.10.8107.79
My verdict: If you like classy, go for the DVP !!!
Excuse me for any typos or wrong grammar, English ain't my first language.

I picked it up yesterday, and so far I love it! There are a few things tripping me up, but nothing that i feel would push me over the age to abandon the platform like I did with Android. For one, it would be nice to be able to push enter to send an SMS using the keyboard, rather than having to touch the send icon on the screen. It would also be nice to be able to block certain numbers from calling.
Battery life does seem like an improvement over my old phone, though.

If you are purchasing new, in the US, I would question it. The phone is old hardware, at least 18 months old, I'd not more. Does not do 4g or wifi n. Simply put, why would you invest in an old device.
If you are buying used, or cheap with no contract, its worth it. But, buyer beware. A lot of used phones are showing up in a less than ideal condition, with damaged SD slots, or with the ability to reset missing. In these conditions they are virtually impossible to fix. Just be careful
That being said, these are good devices, well made and sound. I do not regret purchasing mine way back when. It was a most amazing Christmas present when received on December 21st, 2010.

Just to let you know I opted for a Nokia Lumia 710 !
Great deal here in Canada for 254.99 (from Rogers no contract) then $10 for unlock code. I know it's a completely different phone from DVP but figured I may as well get on with latest model phone for fairly cheap price. It will give me an idea if next (more expensive phone) should be the Nokia 900.
Thanks everyone for the mainly good comments about DVP.

We've discussed it for a bit here
Though if you're on rogers you actually have the choice of any of the lumias. (as rogers uses the same 3g bands as at&t and regardless prob has more choices)
TmoUSA users dont though, it's either the 710 or the VP or radar. (there's very little selection for AWS devices, that's almost literally every AWS capable wp7 device)

Yes... actually I am on Mobilicity which is same band as T-Mobile (1700/2100).
The Rogers Lumia 710 is a penta band phone so yes it works with Rogers 3 G bands and AT&T bands, and of course it works perfectly with Mobilicity ! (had to unlock it though)
Wonder if the T-Mobile version is penta band ? Also wonder why Rogers doesn't advertise this? I did some reading and found out it's penta band but if you read the specs from Rogers website it's only showing as quad-band. Quick trip to a Rogers store and reading the label shows it's penta band.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php

Perhaps they dont want you purchasing one and turning it to another carrier?
For a carrier sold one the supported bands arnt really relevent, as long as it supports their own band obviously.

PaullikesWINMO said:
The Rogers Lumia 710 is a penta band phone
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I doubt this, because I am not sure that the Qualcomm chipset actually supports pentaband UMTS.
It's more likely that it's quadband UMTS, which would still allow it cover all UMTS frequencies for both ATT and T-Mo. As in, maybe they left out 850 or 900.

Reports are the rogers one works on wind, which is AWS like tmoUSA
That would mean it's at very least: 850/1700/1900/2100, with the question as to if it supports 900.
As: 850/1900 is what rogers uses (like at&t)
and: 1700/2100 for aws (it's more work to have a 1700 device without 2100 then to leave it in)
From my understanding, it's merely what amps the manu decides to put in, and what they decide is mostly politics.
All htc devices are dual band unless they're forced to add more
Most samsung international devices are triband or higher. (though they dont generally use qualcomm chips)
All dell devices are triband or higher (with the exception of the EU Streak 5 as the AWS is uncommon)
I cant actually confirm it as I dont actually recall seeing a 5+ band phone using a qualcomm chip.
Worst case you can do APQxxxx + MDMxxxx and use an external modem that does support it, i believe the MDM9200 explicitly supports 5 bands + lte bands.
All devices with APQ8060 chips do this, as APQ chips are by definition chips without modems. There's a few phones that use this setup.
tl;dr the rogers varient should support at least 850/1700/1900/2100, since at least on at&t they use both 850 and 1900 (not unreasonable to assume rogers does the same)

HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - For Canada
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php

TheManii said:
Reports are the rogers one works on wind, which is AWS like tmoUSA
That would mean it's at very least: 850/1700/1900/2100, with the question as to if it supports 900.
As: 850/1900 is what rogers uses (like at&t)
and: 1700/2100 for aws (it's more work to have a 1700 device without 2100 then to leave it in)
From my understanding, it's merely what amps the manu decides to put in, and what they decide is mostly politics.
All htc devices are dual band unless they're forced to add more
Most samsung international devices are triband or higher. (though they dont generally use qualcomm chips)
All dell devices are triband or higher (with the exception of the EU Streak 5 as the AWS is uncommon)
I cant actually confirm it as I dont actually recall seeing a 5+ band phone using a qualcomm chip.
Worst case you can do APQxxxx + MDMxxxx and use an external modem that does support it, i believe the MDM9200 explicitly supports 5 bands + lte bands.
All devices with APQ8060 chips do this, as APQ chips are by definition chips without modems. There's a few phones that use this setup.
tl;dr the rogers varient should support at least 850/1700/1900/2100, since at least on at&t they use both 850 and 1900 (not unreasonable to assume rogers does the same)
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Can confirm the ATT version works on Rogers bands. Sold my unlocked DVP (ATT) to a rogers users. He reported it worked fine on 3G.

International Galaxy S4 i9505 on Docomo Xi LTE

I got an imported i9505 in Japan the other day. I have a contract with Docomo, and had them set me up with a micro SIM card, and to switch to a Xi (LTE) plan. Unfortunately, the first day I went, the guy set me up with spmode, which puts you on an APN that filters and rejects providing network access to any non-Docomo phone. I had to go in again after I read up more, and request that they take me off of the spmode service (which provides things like a Docomo email address which I don't need), and to sign me up for Mopera (I think spmode costs 315yen/month and Mopera was like 525yen/month). Once signed up for Mopera, I could then freely connect to the open.mopera.net APN, and am able to connect to their 4g LTE Xi network.
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Hi, I realize that this post is rather old, so I hope, you are still reading this.
I am interested in your experiences with your i9505 in Japan
Specifically, do you know, which LTE frequency bands are supported?
I know it says LTE 800Mhz, 850Mhz and so on, but are the docomo E-UTRA bands 1 and 19 supported? Also for UMTS?
Or do you experience reception problems where people with Japanese models have no problems?
I really tried to find this info, but nothing awailable about the specific bands. Does that mean that "of course" all bands in the 800Mhz range are supported?
This page here says, that there are hardly any base stations in the 1500Mhz band, so not having that should not be a big loss, and 700Mhz is sheduled from 2015 onwards, so no problem here either. http://www6.atwiki.jp/k-p/pages/219.html
Also, for the Japanese model, there is 1seg and NOTTV listed for features. I know neither, but it sounds like television. Do you miss that?
Do you miss Felica, or is there maybe an app for that?

cgi said:
Hi, I realize that this post is rather old, so I hope, you are still reading this.
I am interested in your experiences with your i9505 in Japan
Specifically, do you know, which LTE frequency bands are supported?
I know it says LTE 800Mhz, 850Mhz and so on, but are the docomo E-UTRA bands 1 and 19 supported? Also for UMTS?
Or do you experience reception problems where people with Japanese models have no problems?
I really tried to find this info, but nothing awailable about the specific bands. Does that mean that "of course" all bands in the 800Mhz range are supported?
This page here says, that there are hardly any base stations in the 1500Mhz band, so not having that should not be a big loss, and 700Mhz is sheduled from 2015 onwards, so no problem here either. http://www6.atwiki.jp/k-p/pages/219.html
Also, for the Japanese model, there is 1seg and NOTTV listed for features. I know neither, but it sounds like television. Do you miss that?
Do you miss Felica, or is there maybe an app for that?
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1seg is the tv service in Japan. There is no FeLiCa except on the Japanese version of the phone (which lacks NFC). I am not to sure on the 800mhz bands 18 and 19 (although band 20 using roughly the same frequencies is supported). Band 1 and 3 both are supported so you can connect to DoCoMo's Xi, Softbank LTE and KDDI's AU networks on 2100mhz and emobile on 1800mhz.
That should be enough service, at least inside cities where most of the spectrum is used by bands 1 and 3.
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Thanks alot for the info. Do you know anything about the legality of using the phone in japan?
I recently read a few pages where Japanese people talk about the subject of using international phones.
The argument I found goes roughly like this:
- A phone needs the approval of the japanese authorities (shown by some T like mark)
- foreign phones don't have it.
- There is provision in the law, that travellers can use their phones (temporarily) while roaming as long as they are approved by FEC or Europe or so. (the phone is taken as the unit of handset and SIM, I understand)
- However, as soon as you put a japanese SIM in there, you are not roaming anymore, and so it's illegal.
I tried reading the law in question. It says "may be illegal" but for what I know, that might just be the japanese way of saying that you won't get death sentence for doing it.
Now, I know that you can rent Japanese "traveller" SIM cards from Softbank (formerly Vodafone) but on one of these pages someone wrote, he asked Softbank about it and turned out, the guy responsible for the SIM rental program didn't know about those laws. So anyone who is bored enough could go to the police and report them any time.

mathieulh said:
There is no FeLiCa except on the Japanese version of the phone (which lacks NFC).
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The SC-04E has both Felica and NFC-A if you have a pink sim. (As does pretty much any Docomo spring/summer 2013 phone)

evildave_666 said:
The SC-04E has both Felica and NFC-A if you have a pink sim. (As does pretty much any Docomo spring/summer 2013 phone)
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NFC is on the sim though, not on the device itself. Therefore the SC-04E on its own has no NFC
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mathieulh said:
NFC is on the sim though, not on the device itself. Therefore the SC-04E on its own has no NFC
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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There are 3 components to the NFC-A/Felica system: secure element (which is only necessary for doing secure transactions), radio hardware, and antenna.
Antenna is in the battery (shared between Felica and NFC-A)
Radio Hardware is in the phone body (shared between Felica and NFC-A)
Felica SE is in the phone body, NFC-A SE may be in the sim (in the case that a pink sim is used).
The phone without a pink sim is perfectly capable of reading and writing NFC-A tags, and reading the non-encrypted areas of biometric passports, japanese drivers licenses, and zairyu cards (all of which are NFC-A).

wallslide said:
I got an imported i9505 in Japan the other day. I have a contract with Docomo, and had them set me up with a micro SIM card, and to switch to a Xi (LTE) plan. Unfortunately, the first day I went, the guy set me up with spmode, which puts you on an APN that filters and rejects providing network access to any non-Docomo phone. I had to go in again after I read up more, and request that they take me off of the spmode service (which provides things like a Docomo email address which I don't need), and to sign me up for Mopera (I think spmode costs 315yen/month and Mopera was like 525yen/month). Once signed up for Mopera, I could then freely connect to the open.mopera.net APN, and am able to connect to their 4g LTE Xi network.
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Can you tell me what ROM/Modem version you used on yout i9505? I have the same, but cannot connect to Docomo here in Japan.