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Nokia is apparently working on a Windows 8 Tablet for Q4 2012.
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YES, YES, and YES!
It better look like a bigger Lumia 900. I can't wait to see how it looks.
Windows 8 tablets can actually replace a laptop, because it can do everything a laptop can do. Microsoft and Nokia, I will be buying this!
Dear my Android tablet,
If this Windows Tablet is what I expect it to be, I'm done with you.
I hope the other OEM's start taking their designs a bit more serious. Nokia will make them look like chumps if they do what they've been doing for years, and what they've done on phones up until this point.
I'm sure the OEM's realize this because its going to be just like what Nokia is going to do for Windows Phones if they go into the tablet market with a vengeance. They will stand out tall, in stark contrast to the cookie cutter habits of Samsung, Sony, Toshiba, Dell, HP ect.
Very excited for whatever Nokia may come up with. If the aesthetic is anywhere close to the Lumia800 with decent battery life, this could be a killer Win8 tab.
Now its hard to decide if I save pennies for this or the Asus Transformer Win8 tab, which they will surely do...
nokia sould going on with symbian
i hope nokia fall in disgrace! How they can reject android sytem ?
Cruz182 said:
i hope nokia fall in disgrace! How they can reject android sytem ?
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AAAAAAAAnnnddddd.....Here come the trolls....
Will windows table be able to compete against the iPad and all the android tablets? I hope they don't endup like the blackberry playbook or the HP one. Nokia had a wrong strategy on going only with one platform that is not theirs.
Cruz182 said:
i hope nokia fall in disgrace! How they can reject android sytem ?
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Can anyone accept a half-baked turd like android would be a better question.
iPad Killer anyone?
I hope
I hope, this will be the hope for nokia, they are the first who introduces mobile phones. Nokia have so much potential still. Cannot erase nokia from the history.
I live in fear, Nokia will release something great, and then i will be shamed of my series 7 slate.
I am waiting for nokia tab....whst would be the price? anybody have idea ?
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I for one love the thought of a Nokia Tablet!!!!
So I'll be sitting on my hands, and my wallet until it hits the store self !!!!
(was going to do like a friend had done and imported a cheep China made Win7 Tablet, until I felt it's quality LOL)
I can't wait for Windows 8 to add to my Home PC, my netbook, and with luck by Christmas a Nokia Tablet
It will all blend well with my HTC Radar ( adding soon).
I just can't get into Android or iOS.....I just don't have interest in their devices
Ahh nokia please get with the system
hopefully nokia will come correct...not sure if micro soft is ready to do this right yet. They need to hit hard with a moderately priced 7inch 200$ unit first...kindle fire/nook tablet style. No more 1500$ windows tablets...nokia and my other favorite manufacturer have had hardware that trumps apple since day one...its time to regain some of that market share back!!!
ellisna said:
hopefully nokia will come correct...not sure if micro soft is ready to do this right yet. They need to hit hard with a moderately priced 7inch 200$ unit first...kindle fire/nook tablet style. No more 1500$ windows tablets...nokia and my other favorite manufacturer have had hardware that trumps apple since day one...its time to regain some of that market share back!!!
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$200 is a very tough, very established pricepoint to attempt to compete with. Might be better to risk $2-3billion on directly competing with the ipad in terms of hardware quality and pricepoints, given that its going to be fairly obvious within 2-3 months if there is any future in w8 tabs.
I also would definitely not attempt to launch anywhere near an ipad update. That would guarantee failure.
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$200 is a very tough, very established pricepoint to attempt to compete with. Might be better to risk $2-3billion on directly competing with the ipad in terms of hardware quality and pricepoints, given that its going to be fairly obvious within 2-3 months if there is any future in w8 tabs.
I also would definitely not attempt to launch anywhere near an ipad update. That would guarantee failure.
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My Gut tells me, it will not be a high priced device....it is not going to be an X86 version.
It's Windows 8 on Arm, so it is going to be seriously priced around many Android Tablets.
Unless your going to get a 4G +WiFi model.
I'm good with a WiFi only and hot spot my Radar for data.
to be honest, id jump at an x86 Nokia Tablet, just as i would the New WP7 Nokia 900, (but only once its cracked open!, my HD2 will do for now) the whole idea of an Arm tablet doesnt interest me, but thats personal, an no fault of an ARM system. alas unless Intel gets its finger out with some lower power CPUs ill need to wait a bit longer, the prices just now are far to high, im not even looking for serious CPU power, i just want x86 instruction sets!
As a Nokia stockholders, buy up boys :-D!
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I know allot of people are excited about Win8 on ARM. I understand the power consumption/management and price point benefits to building a system on ARM. However, Win8 on ARM will only be able to run programs specifically written for ARM architecture. In my mind this kills the best thing about having a windows tablet, the ability to install any program written for x86. That means Photoshop, autocad, office, or any of your favorite PC games written in the last 30 years. For me thats a deal killer. Sure, we might see something comparable to these cooked up for the win8 store, but they will be just that...cooked up and watered down...anybody else who has played with Photoshop from the android market and compared its function to the real photoshop running on a windows x86 tablet knows exactly what i mean.
Its not that I think WIN8 on ARM will be useless, or that it wont find its place in the market, with a name like Microsoft, im sure it will do fine. It will do fine as a media consumption device, not the high performance business tool which WIN8 on x86 is. Having 30 years of programming for the most successful architecture at your fingertips is pretty freaking amazing, and now that ive bought x86 windows, i wont be going back.
Bottom line WIN8 on ARM will do fine, but it will be just another media consumption device, probably priced around the ipad/Adroid tablet range and end up with about the same plethora of small semi functional touch programs and games. For working professionals, or hardcore gamers, the x86 structure and history is the way to go.
For the gamers out there ill lay it down like this:
best Android games: Angry Birds, Words with friends, a port of GTA3
best ipad games: Angry Birds, Words with friends
best WIN8ARM games: Angry Birds, Words with friends, Cut the rope
Best WIN8x86 games:World of Warcraft, Assasins Creed, Diablo 3.
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
install win8 on ipad2? you're kidding, right?
OptimusLove said:
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
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Just a quick question, what is it you are wanting to do?
im not sure if you quite understand what is going on with Splashtop , your not installing Windows 8, your using a remote VM that's streamed to your ipad.
besides that, Win 8 ARM isn't available to us, its not a retail product, we have no idea how hard it is going to be to rip out the OS and install it on other devices, or indeed if its possible at all
What you could try, and I don't have an ipad so I cant be sure it would work, is use a web service such as logmein,
setup a win 8 desktop somewhere, then install logmein, if your ipad will allow it log on to the logmein service and connect to your Win 8 desktop, technically you now have a crude version of Splashtops product
OptimusLove said:
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
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First of all, Apple doesn't even let you transfer any sort of files except media on their devices. Secondly, if you could manage to get something on there using SSH or something, you can't execute it at bootup. This proves yet a impossible thing to install Windows 8 on iPad but who knows? Someone can prove me wrong and put Win 8 on iPad. That would be awesome as I also own a iPad (1st-Gen).
??? how will that work ???
How will that work? I mean Apple and Windows on a machine?
This will never be possible =[
Taimur Akmal said:
First of all, Apple doesn't even let you transfer any sort of files except media on their devices. Secondly, if you could manage to get something on there using SSH or something, you can't execute it at bootup. This proves yet a impossible thing to install Windows 8 on iPad but who knows? Someone can prove me wrong and put Win 8 on iPad. That would be awesome as I also own a iPad (1st-Gen).
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Not to mention that iBoot is very particular about what it downloads during recovery.
Cogixo: it's possible with both Mac and Windows PCs, Bootcamp and Hackintoshing (respectively). But on Apple's ARM based tablet? Probably not (in fact, definitely not going to be too possible)
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Kabayan, it is possible but the hardware is not compatible, you have been seeing windows 8 running on iPad but it was a remote session, using ipad to control another PC running windows 8. AFAIK, there was no single project being produced installing windows 8 in iPad. Splashtop's tool is being used to connect an iPad to a Windows 8 PC, making an illusion of running windows 8 on ipad.
there are windows 8-based tablets in the market now(samsung, ehem) amd windows 7-based tablets can also accommodate windows 8.
if you have enough funds, you can commission few programmers to make a hacked wiindows 8 pc(arm version is better) to make the sources of it compatible to iPad.
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Kabayan, it is possible but the hardware is not compatible, you have been seeing windows 8 running on iPad but it was a remote session, using ipad to control another PC running windows 8. AFAIK, there was no single project being produced installing windows 8 in iPad. Splashtop's tool is being used to connect an iPad to a Windows 8 PC, making an illusion of running windows 8 on ipad.
there are windows 8-based tablets in the market now(samsung, ehem) amd windows 7-based tablets can also accommodate windows 8.
if you have enough funds, you can commission few programmers to make a hacked wiindows 8 pc(arm version is better) to make the sources of it compatible to iPad.
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I had to explain the same thing to my friend who switched from iOS to Android and asked me why he couldn't use Java when "cloud browse for iOS could". Had to explain to him that all he was seeing was a Linux system shunting the images from the java site to his iPod.
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:laugh: this is kind of joke.... :laugh:
hA....... Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Do some people think first? I'm gonna have to use this one at work.....
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hA....... Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Do some people think first? I'm gonna have to use this one at work.....
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I like the idea of Steve jobs perpetually rolling around and around and around in his grave
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I like the idea of Steve jobs perpetually rolling around and around and around in his grave
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LOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!
If this is possable, I will go to the store and buy a iPad just for this use....
As I am not interested in it for iOS (sorry fanboys)
Put DOS on your macbook. U can really do it for free)
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How will that work? I mean Apple and Windows on a machine?
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The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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DavidinCT said:
If this is possable, I will go to the store and buy a iPad just for this use....
As I am not interested in it for iOS (sorry fanboys)
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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While there is quite a lot of misinformation in your post, as I don't have a laptop at the minute, I'll only point out a few.
One, your using "vaporware" to describe metro apps on a system currently in active development. This is like you releasing a program currently in development and people calling it vaporware during it's beta release because there's no plugins "yet". Metro applications do exist and are growing in number.
Two, Microsoft has stated many times that RT would not run standard windows applications and I'm sure that will be in the advertising for the surface RT as well. Metro has enough apps for your causal tablet user. If casual joe wants standard windows applications, he'll buy a Surface Pro.
Three, Microsoft stated that Windows 8 was not going to have so many editions in this release. Not to mention that Windows 8 on a Surface Pro and RT (and probably WP8) will run the same Metro applications. Windows 8 on a surface pro will run the same applications as the normal computer.
Four, Microsoft is probably not going to scrap Metro. They've got enough of a user base on Windows 8 (since Developers Preview) to have enough information about metro. IMHO, if there was to be any inclination to scrap metro, we would've seen it in Release Preview with an on/off switch. Besides, they've put so much work into the interface and making that interface unified across their services and software.
As I said, I would write more if it weren't for the fact that I'm currently in the process of a move and my laptop's charger died on me.
No offense is meant by my post here, just thought I'd clear up some confusion that you seem to have.
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pflatlyne said:
The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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i disagree with you completely, just cause something has changed doesnt mean it is bad, metro is an amazing UI for both touch and keyboard and mouse, sure it takes some getting use to but it will always be like that and i dont think you have even tried windows 8, the windows store already has a bunch of metro apps and the os isnt even released as a final product yet. as for windows rt, i feel that will succeed because it is enough for average joe blow to browse the web and play some small games, and even if you need to run pc programs, im 100% sure there will be emulation for x86/x64 programs whether its native or its from a third party company like vmware.
tbh you are being a fanboy so please dont lie to yourself by saying you're not, you're comparing an unreleased os to a failed os because webos doesnt have any apps and windows 8 doesnt have many in its current state and on top of that, you're defending current tablet os's at every chance you get just because they have more apps
heck the reason you NEED an app to do something on ios and android is because you cant do much with the built in apps, have you tried using facebook's desktop site on your android tablet, the experience is terrible, nothing clicks right, you cant hover over drop menus, ect. while on IE10 everything works the way it should, it doesnt freezee or try to click something behind a drop menu, everything just works
and yes i am being a fanboy, windows 8 is the future for mobile computing, especially when there are going to be so many hybrid laptop tablets coming out in the near future, windows 8 would have done what the ipad and android tabs have failed to do, kill the laptop
I agree with you completely pflatlyne, though as previously stated there are many inaccuracies in your post.
One thing I want to point out that hasn't been already corrected: the SurfacePro will run an x64 inter i-Core series CPU, not an Atom
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I agree with you completely pflatlyne, though as previously stated there are many inaccuracies in your post.
One thing I want to point out that hasn't been already corrected: the SurfacePro will run an x64 inter i-Core series CPU, not an Atom
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but it could do, future Atoms will be developed and improved uppon, there is no technically reason Win8 Pro wont run on an Atom or an i7!
infact id put money it there being mid level devices released some time after the initial release to fill the void between ARM and i5 although in saying that there is apparently only 10w difference between the two so perhaps new i3s will become the new Atom ultra low watt SKUs
Hi all,
im looking for a new phone and have fallen in love with WP8, I have been using Android for 2 years. I have looked at apps. and found the most important ones to be available on WP, the ones I could not find was: Steam, TwitchTV & an app. to watch Anime on. (not crucial)
I wanna know if there might be something that im gonna miss if I swap to WP. I expect WP to have the basics of any other smartphone (WiFi-hotspot, a proper GPS/Maps app. to get guided both in car and on foot, News, Notes, Calculator etc. etc. etc.) but if theres something it does not have that I might be used to in Android, please let me know.
Would also love to know how updates are handled. Is it through manufacturer (Nokia, HTC etc. like Android), or through MS to ensure all phones gets updated?
Last but not least, im considering buying the HTC 8S, as it seems to be the cheapest of 'em all. I would love to buy Lumia 920, but im afraid if I dont love the system, or feel like it lacks something I need (such as apps...), im gonna be stuck with a very expensive phone over 2 years.
I hope someone can give me some detailed, personal insight on swapping to WP from Android, and if HTC 8S would be a good choice.
If you don't wanna buy something really expensive, wait up a bit till lower end phones pop up. SO far, we only have flagships and a couple of mid ends.
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If you don't wanna buy something really expensive, wait up a bit till lower end phones pop up. SO far, we only have flagships and a couple of mid ends.
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I dont consider HTC 8S expensive, its around half the price of Lumia 920 here. The reason I back when I bought my first smartphone went with a top model was because I knew Android - back then - still had frame rate issues with its UI (HTCs Sense did at least), so I wanted the fastest phone.
From what I read though WP8 should run smooth on any phone that has it right now, including 8S (also seems smooth in videos). So that is why im hesitating buying Lumia 920, because the system experience is gonna be identical on both phones (same features, both running smooth UI), and since im on a single-core phone atm., its gonna be a step up either way. Basically im in doubt if I should pay the double for the overall better specs plus PureMotion HD+ & NFC.
Im still interested in hearing personal opinions and stuff I listed in first post.
Windows Phone OS works differently than Android. It always focuses the CPU to what the user does, and background is left for when the phone is idle.
The 8s will run just as fast as lumia 920, the 1Ghz dual core is more than enough for the system
HOWEVER
There are other things you need to look at
1) Storage space: 8s only has around 1.5GB available for user. Although it has an SD card for personal data, you still have only 1.5GB for apps.
2) Camera: Lumia 920 has a vastly superior back camera, and a front camera.
3) Lumia 920 is a Lumia, therefore it has access to some very cool apps. Nokia releases a new feature for its phones every month or so, whereas HTC is really not s active as Nokia.
4)RAM: 8s only has 512, some premium games will require 1GB
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Windows Phone OS works differently than Android. It always focuses the CPU to what the user does, and background is left for when the phone is idle.
The 8s will run just as fast as lumia 920, the 1Ghz dual core is more than enough for the system
HOWEVER
There are other things you need to look at
1) Storage space: 8s only has around 1.5GB available for user. Although it has an SD card for personal data, you still have only 1.5GB for apps.
2) Camera: Lumia 920 has a vastly superior back camera, and a front camera.
3) Lumia 920 is a Lumia, therefore it has access to some very cool apps. Nokia releases a new feature for its phones every month or so, whereas HTC is really not s active as Nokia.
4)RAM: 8s only has 512, some premium games will require 1GB
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Thank you for the very informative post, 1.5GB doesnt seem like much for apps. I did read that apps. cannot be stored on an SD card, but then again I didnt think the system would bring the phone to 1.5GB from 4GB.
The reason I considered (yes, considered - defo wont get it now knowing those facts) the 8S is because I simply hate being charged for 24 months!!! Even though we dont pay interest here, its like a never-ending bill. Maybe I should wait for Mobile World Congress, see whats revealed in the Windows Phone world, maybe it will lead to Lumia 920 being dumped in price!?!??
Thanks.
Nokia plans to release a lower end lumia, similar to 8s but with bigger storage space (8GB build-in+SD).
And yes, the system does bring it down that much.
You could always wait for my review of the 8S which will be up later in the week
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Anyway, this forum is pretty great, has options for every Windows Phone 8 known to man that's been released. You can check the respective forums to figure out how other users feel about the phone.
Use the find your device textbox up top the page.
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Nokia plans to release a lower end lumia, similar to 8s but with bigger storage space (8GB build-in+SD).
And yes, the system does bring it down that much.
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Do you mean Lumia 820? Cause I Googled abit and it was the only model I could find that people refer to as "the little brother" of Lumia 920.
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You could always wait for my review of the 8S which will be up later in the week
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I will, thanks for the heads up.
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Do you mean Lumia 820? Cause I Googled abit and it was the only model I could find that people refer to as "the little brother" of Lumia 920.
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I think we are talking of the Lumia 620 here. Will be a good budget priced option by the looks of it, similar to the 8S but with more internal storage and all the Nokia apps.
Juusuhako said:
I wanna know if there might be something that im gonna miss if I swap to WP. I expect WP to have the basics of any other smartphone (WiFi-hotspot, a proper GPS/Maps app. to get guided both in car and on foot, News, Notes, Calculator etc. etc. etc.) but if theres something it does not have that I might be used to in Android, please let me know.
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Some things I 'miss' not having are:
The Bluetooth and micro USB not allowing keyboards.
The Bluetooth and micro USB not allowing gamepads or controllers.
Video out restrictions via microUSB.
No PC software that can control the phone, so you can sit at a desk PC and control the phone, type, etc.
Juusuhako said:
Would also love to know how updates are handled. Is it through manufacturer (Nokia, HTC etc. like Android), or through MS to ensure all phones gets updated?
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On AT&T in California, USA, both Microsoft, Samsung and AT&T have pushed updates related to their own software, hardware and firmware though the phone and Zune update.
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Last but not least, im considering buying the HTC 8S, as it seems to be the cheapest of 'em all. I would love to buy Lumia 920, but im afraid if I dont love the system, or feel like it lacks something I need (such as apps...), im gonna be stuck with a very expensive phone over 2 years.
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I normally don't fear buying a phone and then if it doesn't work out, selling it on the open market. I normally get a high % of the phone's value back and can pay the new phone fee or pay off the contract (we have subsidized phones where I am at).
Have you looked at the lower end Nokia's? Like the 820?
I wanna know if there might be something that im gonna miss if I swap to WP. I expect WP to have the basics of any other smartphone (WiFi-hotspot, a proper GPS/Maps app. to get guided both in car and on foot, News, Notes, Calculator etc. etc. etc.) but if theres something it does not have that I might be used to in Android, please let me know.
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I am Android user for 3 years (Huawei, Xperia, HTC, Samsung) and finally switch to WP.
Damn like quantum leap improvement for speed and reliabilites, while iPhone interface is boring.
I use Lumia 800, now wanna upgrade to Lumia 820.
- WiFi Hotspot already exist in my 800
- Proper GPS Map from Nokia is nice. Offer offline tunr-by-turn navigation and, City Lens (Bing Eye) is amazing.
- News, you can get NewsRoom from Marketplace easily. This is my fave app since Palm WebOS, Android.
- Note is many apps around there from MP, but using built-in Office Note amazing. Uploading on SkyDrive
- Calculator, the amazing SmartBoard you can get from Marketplace, instead of default MS Calculator
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I think we are talking of the Lumia 620 here. Will be a good budget priced option by the looks of it, similar to the 8S but with more internal storage and all the Nokia apps.
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Ah, I see. But thats just on top of MWC, might aswell wait and see reveals then. I wish there was more info on 820, it says it would release this year, but I cant find it available anywhere. Must be delayed.
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Some things I 'miss' not having are:
The Bluetooth and micro USB not allowing keyboards.
The Bluetooth and micro USB not allowing gamepads or controllers.
Video out restrictions via microUSB.
No PC software that can control the phone, so you can sit at a desk PC and control the phone, type, etc.
On AT&T in California, USA, both Microsoft, Samsung and AT&T have pushed updates related to their own software, hardware and firmware though the phone and Zune update.
I normally don't fear buying a phone and then if it doesn't work out, selling it on the open market. I normally get a high % of the phone's value back and can pay the new phone fee or pay off the contract (we have subsidized phones where I am at).
Have you looked at the lower end Nokia's? Like the 820?
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I never used keyboards or controllers, so thats fine. Same with controling phone via pc.
I wouldnt wanna bind myself for 2 years of payment only to sell it at a lower value and still having to pay it off, that would be throwing money out the window.
Yes, I have looked at 820, but as far as I can tell its not released yet??? Am I wrong?
AREMA said:
I am Android user for 3 years (Huawei, Xperia, HTC, Samsung) and finally switch to WP.
Damn like quantum leap improvement for speed and reliabilites, while iPhone interface is boring.
I use Lumia 800, now wanna upgrade to Lumia 820.
- WiFi Hotspot already exist in my 800
- Proper GPS Map from Nokia is nice. Offer offline tunr-by-turn navigation and, City Lens (Bing Eye) is amazing.
- News, you can get NewsRoom from Marketplace easily. This is my fave app since Palm WebOS, Android.
- Note is many apps around there from MP, but using built-in Office Note amazing. Uploading on SkyDrive
- Calculator, the amazing SmartBoard you can get from Marketplace, instead of default MS Calculator
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I might get Nokia just for the GPS maps they have, seems like nice software. Thanks for heads up about basic apps.
Yes, I have looked at 820, but as far as I can tell its not released yet??? Am I wrong?
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Different country, different release date.
In Indonesia, Lumia 920 and 820 will release on Dec 22, 2012.
And I have pre-ordered ticket for it. To upgrade my amazing Lumia 800 into Lumia 820 (for screen size/slim reason)..
Now, actually Lumia 800 getting official update 7.8
http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-5213p2.php
Hello im sick about Android.
Iphone to restricted and way tooooooo expensive.
I will take the HTC 8X ! But i will wait at least 3-4 months. Buy it cheap and see how wp8 is performing and developing.
AREMA said:
Different country, different release date.
In Indonesia, Lumia 920 and 820 will release on Dec 22, 2012.
And I have pre-ordered ticket for it. To upgrade my amazing Lumia 800 into Lumia 820 (for screen size/slim reason)..
Now, actually Lumia 800 getting official update 7.8
http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-5213p2.php
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Read Lumia 820 releases in January here. :/
mek84 said:
Hello im sick about Android.
Iphone to restricted and way tooooooo expensive.
I will take the HTC 8X ! But i will wait at least 3-4 months. Buy it cheap and see how wp8 is performing and developing.
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Thing is, I really wanna get my hands on a new handset, just to have it and try it. However, im currently home-going till March where I start college again, and my current phone just stands in my dock all day long and I barely use it. I think if I got a new phone it would also just sit and not be used, that is until I start college again. But thats in March, maybe by then there are better options available.
Such a difficult choice, cause I hate waiting.
I suggest HTC 8x, it has beautiful design and thin, beast audio is great so. you can read more review of htc 8x here : http://360dmobile.com/reviews-htc-8x-is-the-best-windows-phone-8-handset-out-there/
I just suggest dont get anything with less than 8gb of memory in it if you want to enjoy apps...and a lot of them. Personally my rule is 16gb, so I can have lots of apps, a bunch of music and a few videos but, my next phone MUST have 32gb...
Just to reinforce that the 8S is bad ... the browsing awful (slow, reflow issues, bugs, low features), somehow even though Microsoft tried to prevent fragmentation they were not capable of coding a browser for a smaller resolution. Lots of random screen taps too.
Sounds like an isolated issue with your phone since no review I've found has any problems with it and they all consider it being the best of the mid-range WP8's.
I have read the closed threads here. I found a ROM site but I'm not sure what to make of it because it seems to work only with Android installed by design?
Which, for the 950 series hasn't seemed possible. If Microsoft was abandoning the project, why didn't they go back to having an Astoria enabled ROM as the final version?
https://romindex.com/android-for-lumia-for-microsoft-lumia-950950-xl/"]https://romindex.com/android-for-lumia-for-microsoft-lumia-950950-xl/
I'd like to attempt it. Microsoft has been progressively disabling features in every app that competes with Skype for free video calling.
Oh, and for months now, Skype video calling is upside down on all 950 series.
Why MS even bothered if they are abandoning the OS is just really malicious towards customers.
I keep looking for alternatives because the hardware was really good.
Just the MS OS development was managed by absolutely deaf morons.
Spare me the insults. I'm just looking at possible solutions.
I am a proud (not so much anymore) owner of a Lumia 950 myself and I have been looking everywhere for an answer to your question.
I myself have found the same link you posted and have been wondering whether it is something that would work or not. The device has very impressive specs and I would like to use it for something more than a (relatively) expensive paperweight! However I find all the root/flash/whatever Lumia X50 series sites a bit too odd. The writing of the content is as if the device is already running Android and seem to be old. They "smell fishy" to say the least.
To add to the doubt, I have been following the news on Android for Lumia for a long time now and the development has been very slow to say the least. Nothing actually works on the device with the current state of the ROM. It is quite unfortunate but I don't think it will ever do. Porting Android to Lumias looks like too much work, plus even though the specs are impressive they are already dated with how smartphone tech is "advancing".
I know that this is not an answer per se but I hope it will give you some perspective.
As for many of the decisions that MS has made with the whole Windows mobile scene, don't get me started there!
I know this is an old thread, but I too am interested since MS is killing bits off of WM10 starting with Cortana as an assistant since last week. I have a new 950xl I was thinking of putting WoA on, but not so sure anymore since it's still not polished as an everyday OS yet. I'm still dailying my 3 yo black Friday XL/950/dock package from 2016, but pissed that Cortana is now only a glorified search bar.
I see no reason why someone couldn't get a decent version of 'droid on these. The hardware is more than up to task and would keep a familiar feeling in our hands. I hate to say it, but MS forced us here.
Has anyone figured out a way to upgrade Windows on a Lumia 950 beyond Fall Creator's Update 1709? It doesn't have to be the 1909 update. It would have to be sideloaded, I know.
As Windows 10 Mobile has been discontinued since December 2019, there is no way to get a new version of the Mobile OS. There is the LumiaWOA project, but since it's fairly slow, buggy and lacks features (cameras, Windows Hello face unlock and more) I don't recommend you use it unless it's for LOLs.
For reference, the latest W10M version is 10.0.15254.603
I've read about installing things like Android on the phone, but as you said, things like the camera will be lost, so what's the point? Rats!
So far, I've managed to come up with workarounds with my "daily driver" 950, but what may eventually get me will be when the web browsers that work on the 950 series get eliminated. I'm going to hold on to the bitter end. They can have my Windows Phone when they "pry it from my cold, dead hand".
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Yes, there was an Android FFU for the XL, but that's in very unusable state as basically just the display and touch work (and it was more of an April Fools thing anyways.
Drivers for everything else, from the graphics processor to charging capability need to be made based on Windows drivers and if possible, some can be picked from devices with a similar board.
Not sure if anyone is willing to bother with that though... I think we all would love to see an effort from Microsoft, but it's very unlikely to happen so all we can do is dream and hope it'll remain usable for those who do daily it.
I switched on my 950 XL today just for fun after a year or so, an update was waiting. It does it now (second pack) for 4 hours, almost finish. Have a look at what's happened when finished.
I'd be very interested in what number your update is. Theoretically, the 950 and 950XL are identical from an OS standpoint. Maybe the 950XL is eligible because it's an octa core processor.
I've heard that some guys have managed to install Windows 10 ARM on the 950, and I have a spare 950. But I've heard that there are issues with that route.