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Kindle Fire or Win8 Tablet?

Who is going to wait for the rumored Windows 8 OS on a Tablet?

Wish I could wait, but I must have the Fire. Maybe someone will get W8 running on the Fire, but with only 8GB to play with, it would be pretty crippled.

I am inclined to wait for Win8 but this Metro theme has me a little worried.

Windows 8 isn't open source so it wont be on the Kindle.
I think it will be a while before win 8 is finalized and ready to be shipped, (at least 6 months imo) I want win 8, but there's no way I can wait that long. Plus there is no way anything will compete with the Kindles price tag

Having a rooted NC eliminates any desire or need for the AF. Am curiously watching the development of Win8 though.
Agree with the above that it's extremely unlikely the AF can or will run Win8.

I highly doubt we'll see a Windows 8 tablet at $199.

Very true, unless the Win8 tablet were wi-fi only. Also, waiting on Win8 tablets will allow time for development on the Kindle Fire to ramp up.

Anyone see the lenovo? 250 for16gb gingerbread, and Google access.
I apologize for posting in the wrong thread. Scrolled down and found one dedicated to the a1.
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Looked up the lenovo A1 and from the specs I'd go with the Kindle Fire.

Let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
Semantics I know but it's the way I see it.

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Who is going to wait for the rumored Windows 8 OS on a Tablet?
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Seems they are polar opposite for premise, so not an apple to apple comparison.
Windows 8 will be a multi-faceted and scalable platform for tablets on up to desktops, where as Kindle is an iTunes clone with heavy emphasis on their cloud storage.
Perhaps the Kindle 2 or even 2.5 would be the better point for discussion, since about a year away from Windows 8 tablets.

Lol technically Windows 8 won't have to be opensource to run on tablets, with this rendition Microsoft is allowing it to run on ARM processors. Although, since the Fire supposedly has a TI OMAP chip, it may be unlikely.

It will make an interesting holiday season 2011. Apps on android are nice but full applications as used on Laptops or Desktops on a Windows 8 tablet would be refreshing. Now, if it'll only have a GSM radio for wireless web.

skeeterpro said:
Let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
Semantics I know but it's the way I see it.
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Well if the AF gets rooted.... It's a simple matter of adding Android APP store and the necessary SYNC-ing... I don't know how hard it will be as they have already said that they aren't actively stopping anyone. As far as space you could do like I did on my droid1 and delete the official ROM than install the new one from CR... Though I know a lot of people dislike this, its the way we used to do it. And if you have both the amazon cloud and the google cloud. And your android phone (if you have one). 200 ain't too bad a deal. Either way for the purpose of Ereading on the subway? And looking at the newspaper? I think this is suitable even at stock. For the rest I have a netbook a desktop a laptop a phone and and IPOD touch.

I think question isn't correct, cause win8 wasn't release. There will be the new Kindle when win8 will be ready.
Sorry for my bad english...

I was asking if anyone thinks waiting for Windows 8 devices is a good idea or not wait and get the Kindle fire now.
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Or just install Windows 8 on a 7 tablet
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Highly developed Android is good enough for Kindle fire and i don't except too much, maybe after i'm tired of Android, i will think about Windows

Oh god, does this thread actually exist? Are you new to planet Earth?
Welcome...
Microsoft is known for many things... Simplicity and stability are not two of them. "Ease of use" goes only as deep as the UI layer, which is thin.
Microsoft is also notorious for getting first releases wrong, then the next version would be tolerable, but still not great, and never perfect- win 95/win 98, Vista/win 7 would be just two examples. And this is by far microsoft's most ambitious leap.
Not to mention, the concept of "windows on a tablet" has failed for over 10 years... And those years having the advantage of the perception by most that Windows was the only OS on the planet, for most people.
For consumers who want a tablet for casual use, they want it to just work... They don't want to need an MCSE or a friend to burden with support...
Note Apple wasn't silly enough to put a halloween costume on Mac OS and use that on their tablets...
IPads are successful because they are an escape from the groans and headaches of Windows, not just because they are tablets. The only thing different between them and ten prior years of "windows on a tablet" failures is that there's no Windows headaches on board.
People have already voted with their wallets, they want a simple OS that is stable, and runs cheap/free apps. It is microsoft themselves who paved the path for ipad success by making Windows too ambitious, therefore too complicated.
Putting ANOTHER layer on top of already-complex, already-heavy Windows is like a halloween costume... It tries to hide what's underneath, makes for a few oohs and aahs if done well, but that's fantasy... What's reality is what is under the costume.
Plus, MS is wasting the opportunity they could have had with WP7...
the world has not only embraced simple mobile touch OS's, but the paradigm has shifted so people expect them.
...yet MS won't commit development to WP7 as their "we need to compete seriously with Android and iOS" operating system.
Instead, they are going to try to spread already "use-it-if-i-must" OS of the desktops of yesteryear in an impossibly ambitious direction.
...and, not only won't it be out for another year, but history shows us the first release won't be good... It'll be at least two years for a stable one that at least partially addresses criticisms, all the while the new mobile OS paradigm is shaping public expectation in a way that isn't Windows... No matter what halloween costume you put on the presentation layer.
Plus, haven't you seen the preview vids? It's a schizophrenic OS... MS apparently doesn't even have full confidence in the new UI: You must switch into legacy-windows-UI mode for certain things. Ugh.
I can't see anyone in 2014 doing anything but largely rejecting this, continuing Microsoft's legacy of "windows on a tablet" failures.
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I think it all depends on your money and if you can wait. ASUS said that in mid to late 2012 they will launch Win. 8 tablets. I don't see any decent ones coming before that. Win. 8 will be good, I'm excited (I don't care what you unbelievers say) but it'll be a while for a tablet to come out. The Fire is only $200. That means that after a year you will get your money's worth out of it and you would be able to get a beefier tablet once Win. 8 becomes available, since it's only available to developers and not the general public as of now. I'm getting the Fire and hold off for a better Win. 8 tablet in about 1 year and I would suggest that to others.
If you don't have the money to get both and you can wait, then wait for a Win. 8 tablet because they will be awesome. NVIDIA is launching the Tegra 3 later this year which is amazing. They will most likely launch another CPU for the Win. 8 tablets.
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Not to mention, the concept of "windows on a tablet" has failed for over 10 years... And those years having the advantage of the perception by most that Windows was the only OS on the planet, for most people.
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Plus, MS is wasting the opportunity they could have had with WP7...
the world has not only embraced simple mobile touch OS's, but the paradigm has shifted so people expect them.
...yet MS won't commit development to WP7 as their "we need to compete seriously with Android and iOS" operating system.
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In my opinion you are wrong! Win. 8 interface is based off of WP. 7 as far as I can tell. And you claim that they aren't developing for WP 7? What do you mean? Have you heard of the Mango update? It's a beast of an update! They are using WP. 7 as a base and optimizing it for a tablet. They aren't doing the normal windows things with the desktop and start menu. They see that WP. 7's metro is working and using that on Win. 8. And all of the videos say that they are excited for the release and if they weren't dedicated to make it awesome, why would they make it? Yes, they've screwed up in the past, but that they have learned from their mistakes and no OS is going to be bug proof, especially if you consider the amount of users that use Windows! The only reason that WP 7 hasn't taken off like Android and iPhone has is because there aren't a lot of phones available for it. Android took a couple of years to explode and it didn't hit big until the Droid phase, which isn't the first Android phone. Win. 8 will be good, just give it time.

will w8 do better than android??

i read somewhere that w8 has the potential of outselling android in the future.. what do you all think?

I think it is very probable that it will do better then android as google has not done very well at least compared to apple in the tablet area. wp8 is touch focused and is a very good OS and google and apple should be very worried.

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wp8 is touch focused and is a very good OS and google and apple should be very worried.
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i think your on to something ere

All 3 companies are very good at stealing each others ideas so I doubt any of them will suffer much from Windows 8. Fundamentaly all 3 do the same job, so it comes down too personal preference, with that I should say Mac fans wont buy Windows 8 and nor will Android Fans or visa versa. Windows 8 simply allows Microsoft to play with the other boys in the Tablet field. I don't believe its the killer blow that will knock the others out of the ring.

I don't think it's going to do better than android, but it's going to gobble up a large portion of the market. WindowsPhone 8 is going to have support for MicroSD cards, native code and multi core processors, which all point to it being better than both iOS and Android. I'm honestly considering skipping the SGS3 and waiting for a Windows Phone "Apollo" phone instead.
WP7 is already the fastest OS of the three, and with support for even faster and better hardware, it's going to be just lightning quick.
Exciting times ahead!

m0nkf1sh said:
All 3 companies are very good at stealing each others ideas so I doubt any of them will suffer much from Windows 8. Fundamentaly all 3 do the same job, so it comes down too personal preference, with that I should say Mac fans wont buy Windows 8 and nor will Android Fans or visa versa. Windows 8 simply allows Microsoft to play with the other boys in the Tablet field. I don't believe its the killer blow that will knock the others out of the ring.
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I don't agree so much with this. I'm a Mac and I own an Android phone.
I guess it is down to appreciating the software engineering side of things.
I love how my Mac "just works", however do not appreciate the way iOS devices seem to only be designed for children who need the restrictions and wouldn't do much else than play games, read, learn, etc.
I also appreciate Android devices for the freedom and endless opportunities.
Windows 8... It is pretty cool, however, I'd rather not a tablet that is prone to PC viruses AND locked to only the one OS. Apple are also guilty with the whole "locked to one OS" philosophy.
Then again, the Linux kernel is my preference over the bloated one from Microsoft.

Leigh Kennedy said:
I don't agree so much with this. I'm a Mac and I own an Android phone.
I guess it is down to appreciating the software engineering side of things.
I love how my Mac "just works", however do not appreciate the way iOS devices seem to only be designed for children who need the restrictions and wouldn't do much else than play games, read, learn, etc.
I also appreciate Android devices for the freedom and endless opportunities.
Windows 8... It is pretty cool, however, I'd rather not a tablet that is prone to PC viruses AND locked to only the one OS. Apple are also guilty with the whole "locked to one OS" philosophy.
Then again, the Linux kernel is my preference over the bloated one from Microsoft.
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It would be nice to stop insulting people who prefer efficiency more than complexity. It's getting old.

I think the Microsoft strategy is starting to show itself and I with with in 18 months there will be more METRO devices than Android and even IOS...
I expect Microsoft to virtually give Windows 8 away for Free or at least very cheaply. This is because of the huge potential to make money from the APP STORE so they don`t need to charge much for the OS itself.
Now Windows 7 sold 400 Million Licences as of July 2011 so by Windows 8 release in say Oct 2012 there could be 600 Million Windows 7 PC`s in use...
If only 50% upgrade to a Windows 8 within six months you could be talking about 300 Million customers for METRO APPS a year from now. That is even before any new PC`s or Tablets are sold.
This could even impact the smartphone sales numbers going forward as Windows Phone 8 is likely to be very similar to Windows 8 thus increasing it`s awareness and familiarity to the average person.
With a potential market of 300 Million + customers ...I expect METRO APPS to look better and be more feature rich than Android and IOS APPS, I think this will help drive the sales of Windows 8 tablet hardware.
A year from now Android will be finished in the tablet game and Apple will have big big competition!!

jerome snail said:
It would be nice to stop insulting people who prefer efficiency more than complexity. It's getting old.
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Uh... Okay then.
Definitely nowhere near what I was intending to do.
Unless you were trying to troll.
I was only expressing my opinion. If you don't like it then ignore. The whole fanboy thing is getting old.

Future is full of uncertainty, no body had ever thought that Nokia vl have to compete with other companies for selling dr product, there was time when N series was consider as kind of huge status but now we have only two major OS iOS n Android outrunning symbian. So just wait n watch how win8 gets ported to phones n tablets.

Will Windows have something like Rosetta to support millions of existing programs on ARM? no.
I said programs, not apps because most people want Windows as they have a need to run Windows programs. That is why Linux and even Macs are limited in growth. And these programs are huge and hard to port due by developers due to libraries dependencies. Moreover, some of these program are specific for an industry/product and weren't updated for years, but people still need to use them. That is why Vista failed and people still use vulnerable XP, even when Windows 7 is out.
But do people need to have Windows to run apps? No. There is thousands of apps for Android and iPad. And I don't think that number of Metro apps will be greater than for Android at launch. So why anyone would want Windows on arm instead of iPad/Android?

Well android is still an os for mobilephones... It's not made for tablets. W8 will be good on a tablet so i think you are right..

borjeboy said:
Well android is still an os for mobilephones... It's not made for tablets. W8 will be good on a tablet so i think you are right..
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Android on a tablet works quite well though.
Yes, I do look forward to seeing how Windows 8 would work, however, the UEFI is what I don't agree with.
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The whole "locking the device to only one OS" is why I won't buy an iPad...
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Leigh Kennedy said:
Then again, the Linux kernel is my preference over the bloated one from Microsoft.
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NT kernel is bloated

I think whoever gets the first mid-range tablet out at the right price point will win. This is total opinion, but my gut tells me the magic number for price is the $200-$300 dollar range for a mass market tablet. Saw glimpses of this during the HP Touchpad fire sale and the Kindle Fire before the user complaints of the device started coming in.
This needs to be a full featured tablet and not the ones that feel watered down that are currently offered at this price range. I think Android has the advantage but w8 could do well if they can offer something that is less clunky and can really nail the backward compatibility of x86 programs.

[Q] Put windows 8 on ipad for free

Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?

install win8 on ipad2? you're kidding, right?

OptimusLove said:
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
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Just a quick question, what is it you are wanting to do?
im not sure if you quite understand what is going on with Splashtop , your not installing Windows 8, your using a remote VM that's streamed to your ipad.
besides that, Win 8 ARM isn't available to us, its not a retail product, we have no idea how hard it is going to be to rip out the OS and install it on other devices, or indeed if its possible at all
What you could try, and I don't have an ipad so I cant be sure it would work, is use a web service such as logmein,
setup a win 8 desktop somewhere, then install logmein, if your ipad will allow it log on to the logmein service and connect to your Win 8 desktop, technically you now have a crude version of Splashtops product

OptimusLove said:
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
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First of all, Apple doesn't even let you transfer any sort of files except media on their devices. Secondly, if you could manage to get something on there using SSH or something, you can't execute it at bootup. This proves yet a impossible thing to install Windows 8 on iPad but who knows? Someone can prove me wrong and put Win 8 on iPad. That would be awesome as I also own a iPad (1st-Gen).

??? how will that work ???
How will that work? I mean Apple and Windows on a machine?

This will never be possible =[

Taimur Akmal said:
First of all, Apple doesn't even let you transfer any sort of files except media on their devices. Secondly, if you could manage to get something on there using SSH or something, you can't execute it at bootup. This proves yet a impossible thing to install Windows 8 on iPad but who knows? Someone can prove me wrong and put Win 8 on iPad. That would be awesome as I also own a iPad (1st-Gen).
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Not to mention that iBoot is very particular about what it downloads during recovery.
Cogixo: it's possible with both Mac and Windows PCs, Bootcamp and Hackintoshing (respectively). But on Apple's ARM based tablet? Probably not (in fact, definitely not going to be too possible)
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Kabayan, it is possible but the hardware is not compatible, you have been seeing windows 8 running on iPad but it was a remote session, using ipad to control another PC running windows 8. AFAIK, there was no single project being produced installing windows 8 in iPad. Splashtop's tool is being used to connect an iPad to a Windows 8 PC, making an illusion of running windows 8 on ipad.
there are windows 8-based tablets in the market now(samsung, ehem) amd windows 7-based tablets can also accommodate windows 8.
if you have enough funds, you can commission few programmers to make a hacked wiindows 8 pc(arm version is better) to make the sources of it compatible to iPad.

junpeikawada said:
Kabayan, it is possible but the hardware is not compatible, you have been seeing windows 8 running on iPad but it was a remote session, using ipad to control another PC running windows 8. AFAIK, there was no single project being produced installing windows 8 in iPad. Splashtop's tool is being used to connect an iPad to a Windows 8 PC, making an illusion of running windows 8 on ipad.
there are windows 8-based tablets in the market now(samsung, ehem) amd windows 7-based tablets can also accommodate windows 8.
if you have enough funds, you can commission few programmers to make a hacked wiindows 8 pc(arm version is better) to make the sources of it compatible to iPad.
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I had to explain the same thing to my friend who switched from iOS to Android and asked me why he couldn't use Java when "cloud browse for iOS could". Had to explain to him that all he was seeing was a Linux system shunting the images from the java site to his iPod.
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:laugh: this is kind of joke.... :laugh:

hA....... Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Do some people think first? I'm gonna have to use this one at work.....
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hA....... Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Do some people think first? I'm gonna have to use this one at work.....
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I like the idea of Steve jobs perpetually rolling around and around and around in his grave
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I like the idea of Steve jobs perpetually rolling around and around and around in his grave
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LOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!

If this is possable, I will go to the store and buy a iPad just for this use....
As I am not interested in it for iOS (sorry fanboys)

Put DOS on your macbook. U can really do it for free)

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How will that work? I mean Apple and Windows on a machine?
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The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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If this is possable, I will go to the store and buy a iPad just for this use....
As I am not interested in it for iOS (sorry fanboys)
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.

pflatlyne said:
The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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While there is quite a lot of misinformation in your post, as I don't have a laptop at the minute, I'll only point out a few.
One, your using "vaporware" to describe metro apps on a system currently in active development. This is like you releasing a program currently in development and people calling it vaporware during it's beta release because there's no plugins "yet". Metro applications do exist and are growing in number.
Two, Microsoft has stated many times that RT would not run standard windows applications and I'm sure that will be in the advertising for the surface RT as well. Metro has enough apps for your causal tablet user. If casual joe wants standard windows applications, he'll buy a Surface Pro.
Three, Microsoft stated that Windows 8 was not going to have so many editions in this release. Not to mention that Windows 8 on a Surface Pro and RT (and probably WP8) will run the same Metro applications. Windows 8 on a surface pro will run the same applications as the normal computer.
Four, Microsoft is probably not going to scrap Metro. They've got enough of a user base on Windows 8 (since Developers Preview) to have enough information about metro. IMHO, if there was to be any inclination to scrap metro, we would've seen it in Release Preview with an on/off switch. Besides, they've put so much work into the interface and making that interface unified across their services and software.
As I said, I would write more if it weren't for the fact that I'm currently in the process of a move and my laptop's charger died on me.
No offense is meant by my post here, just thought I'd clear up some confusion that you seem to have.
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The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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i disagree with you completely, just cause something has changed doesnt mean it is bad, metro is an amazing UI for both touch and keyboard and mouse, sure it takes some getting use to but it will always be like that and i dont think you have even tried windows 8, the windows store already has a bunch of metro apps and the os isnt even released as a final product yet. as for windows rt, i feel that will succeed because it is enough for average joe blow to browse the web and play some small games, and even if you need to run pc programs, im 100% sure there will be emulation for x86/x64 programs whether its native or its from a third party company like vmware.
tbh you are being a fanboy so please dont lie to yourself by saying you're not, you're comparing an unreleased os to a failed os because webos doesnt have any apps and windows 8 doesnt have many in its current state and on top of that, you're defending current tablet os's at every chance you get just because they have more apps
heck the reason you NEED an app to do something on ios and android is because you cant do much with the built in apps, have you tried using facebook's desktop site on your android tablet, the experience is terrible, nothing clicks right, you cant hover over drop menus, ect. while on IE10 everything works the way it should, it doesnt freezee or try to click something behind a drop menu, everything just works
and yes i am being a fanboy, windows 8 is the future for mobile computing, especially when there are going to be so many hybrid laptop tablets coming out in the near future, windows 8 would have done what the ipad and android tabs have failed to do, kill the laptop

I agree with you completely pflatlyne, though as previously stated there are many inaccuracies in your post.
One thing I want to point out that hasn't been already corrected: the SurfacePro will run an x64 inter i-Core series CPU, not an Atom

mtmerrick said:
I agree with you completely pflatlyne, though as previously stated there are many inaccuracies in your post.
One thing I want to point out that hasn't been already corrected: the SurfacePro will run an x64 inter i-Core series CPU, not an Atom
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but it could do, future Atoms will be developed and improved uppon, there is no technically reason Win8 Pro wont run on an Atom or an i7!
infact id put money it there being mid level devices released some time after the initial release to fill the void between ARM and i5 although in saying that there is apparently only 10w difference between the two so perhaps new i3s will become the new Atom ultra low watt SKUs

Windows RT Surface needs to be price below $199!

Did anyone see this?
My understand is the Windows RT Slate comes with a full version of MS Office. How can anyone compare this to a Kindle Fire? Why is it that any time MSFT introduces something people say all sorts of bizarre things about it but with Apple they will pay any price for subpar hardware?

In my opinion, the RT version shouldn't cost more than the iPad. It's a new product and there aren't as many apps as there are on iPad.

luizmeme said:
In my opinion, the RT version shouldn't cost more than the iPad. It's a new product and there aren't as many apps as there are on iPad.
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I disagree with you, any windows rt tablets should cost about as much as android tablets fall into while the Intel tablets should cost about the same as some of the higher end ipads
right now windows 8 has about as many apps as android tablets do when it comes to metro apps but if you're running an Intel based tablets you have desktop apps and games along side of metro apps and games

good price,lets see if they include office.

The competition is ON but please le's not get ahead of ourselves. Microsoft already has their pricing range set. The Kindle or iPad have different hardware set Compairing different things here. It's all about what you prefer and can afford!
Happy buying!

Who needs a bunch of apps if the OS is built correctly?
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In my opinion, the RT version shouldn't cost more than the iPad. It's a new product and there aren't as many apps as there are on iPad.
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What would you rather have Words With Friends or a full blown version of Office on your tablet? Furthermore I believe IE10 will have flash support built in. I notice a lot of Apps are there because tablets and phones can't use a lot of websites correctly. What would you rather have a full blown working browser or a clutter of apps?
I can't leave my laptop at home and travel with any of the major tablets. I need Office, Photoshop, and a full blown browser. I hate it when I get on the reservation page of a hotel and the tablet can't pull it up correctly. I can't book or cancel rooms half the time on that thing. You've got to get an app for that. So annoying. Seriously I just looked at the start menu of my desktop and besides the built in stuff that comes with Windows 7 I have Office, Photoshop, Adobe reader, VLC, Firefox, and pretty much nothing else.

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What would you rather have Words With Friends or a full blown version of Office on your tablet? Furthermore I believe IE10 will have flash support built in. I notice a lot of Apps are there because tablets and phones can't use a lot of websites correctly. What would you rather have a full blown working browser or a clutter of apps?
I can't leave my laptop at home and travel with any of the major tablets. I need Office, Photoshop, and a full blown browser. I hate it when I get on the reservation page of a hotel and the tablet can't pull it up correctly. I can't book or cancel rooms half the time on that thing. You've got to get an app for that. So annoying. Seriously I just looked at the start menu of my desktop and besides the built in stuff that comes with Windows 7 I have Office, Photoshop, Adobe reader, VLC, Firefox, and pretty much nothing else.
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you cant rely on office so heavily, that's why windows mobile failed but i do agree with you, this will be one of the first productive tablets instead of the play ones, but they need to make IE faster, after using IE10 on my tab i have to say it sucks just as much as all the other IE versions did, now im just playing the waiting game for google to fix their touch support in the chrome browser before i make the switch to using chrome

luigi90210 said:
you cant rely on office so heavily, that's why windows mobile failed but i do agree with you, this will be one of the first productive tablets instead of the play ones, but they need to make IE faster, after using IE10 on my tab i have to say it sucks just as much as all the other IE versions did, now im just playing the waiting game for google to fix their touch support in the chrome browser before i make the switch to using chrome
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I'm not "relying on office so heavily." Plus office on any small phone screen has limited utility. Office on a Surface is a whole different matter. You have a full keyboard and trackpad. You even have a USB port so you can use a mouse. On the Pro Surface you can even run photoshop. My point is I can leave everything at home and just take a Surface and my Windows Phone on a trip and I am set. Office, Photoshop, Acrobat, and Firefox cover 95% of my computing needs. I don't need a million and one apps. If I need to check weather, stock quotes, news, etc I can just go online. I have a full keyboard and mouse if I wish.
I could never go on a trip with just an ipad and a phone. No way. I've been burned too many times. Comparing a Surface which is a fully functional machine to an ipad which is an expensive glorified toy is ridiculous.

I'm into music production, I can have the full version of my music software on the 86 version that's gonna change things alot. My friend who is a producer he has two iPads and is getting a third one, that are loaded with every music app you get but the still has to use his desktop or laptop to get any work done, I'll be able to do it with one device.
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Plus people are forgetting that there's gonna be many more windows slates out other than ms some may have even better specs the ms surface has, hp,Dell,etc. This is gonna be the death of the desktop year, no one is gonna get a desktop because the surface devices can work as full computer the 86 version has a mini port , an the rt has a HD video port, plus all the other stuff
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The surface RT will NEVER be as low or lower than $199. You'd be lucky to see it under $599. Remember, it will out spec the other Tablet/Slates in the market and surely outdo the iPad. Microsoft is sick of being screwed and laughed at, they're now going to show the MFG's what the mean when they said you need to do this and that (spec wise).

Pricing
I wrote a comment about this earlier posting why it will be around that price range.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27884775&postcount=33
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lseidman said:
The surface RT will NEVER be as low or lower than $199. You'd be lucky to see it under $599. Remember, it will out spec the other Tablet/Slates in the market and surely outdo the iPad. Microsoft is sick of being screwed and laughed at, they're now going to show the MFG's what the mean when they said you need to do this and that (spec wise).
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Google will lunch Nexus 7 which will costs under 200$ in the base version.
I think if Microsoft wants to be competitive in the tablet market needs to sell its Surface under 199$.
599$ is very expensive.

Price seems too good to be true

lseidman said:
The surface RT will NEVER be as low or lower than $199. You'd be lucky to see it under $599. Remember, it will out spec the other Tablet/Slates in the market and surely outdo the iPad. Microsoft is sick of being screwed and laughed at, they're now going to show the MFG's what the mean when they said you need to do this and that (spec wise).
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for 599 i can buy a windows 32bit tablet and an android tablet, microsoft isnt stupid so i know it wont be priced that high for the rt tablet, they need to compete with ipads remember, and just cause it out specs and out does the ipad doesnt mean people will buy it, android tabs are already cheaper and faster than the ipad but the ipad still out sells android tablets(not including ereaders)
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Google will lunch Nexus 7 which will costs under 200$ in the base version.
I think if Microsoft wants to be competitive in the tablet market needs to sell its Surface under 199$.
599$ is very expensive.
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i dont think microsoft is going after android as much as they are going after the ipad
android tablets are cost effective because android is a free OS while windows is licensed to manufactures, if its anything i think the cheapest windows rt tablet will cost around 250-290 depending on specs which tbh isnt outrageous

i dont think microsoft is going after android as much as they are going after the ipad
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People who think it needs to cost LESS than $199 are smoking crack. It needs no such thing.
What it DOES need to do is be priced competitively with entry level iPad, which means around $399-499 for the ARM version. The Intel version can get away with ultrabook pricing because, well, it's basically an ultrabook--just with a badass design .
Now that we've seen the Nexus 7 Android tablet at $199 with similar guts to the RT version (as long as we assume the RT version will be Tegra 3) but with a smaller screen, but with more features, it's fair and safe to say that we should expect reasonable pricing for Surface on Windows RT.
But with that said, I don't expect Surface, even in ARM version, to be the cheapest Windows 8 tablet. I believe we'll see third parties offering less expensive--probably more cheaply built, too--Windows RT tablets. How low will they go?
Well, I guess only time will tell. On the bright side, MS has been very smart with the development of both Windows 8 and Surface--they won't fall into the lawsuit trap that Android makers have with Apple.
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Did anyone see this?
My understand is the Windows RT Slate comes with a full version of MS Office. How can anyone compare this to a Kindle Fire? Why is it that any time MSFT introduces something people say all sorts of bizarre things about it but with Apple they will pay any price for subpar hardware?
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I think Microsoft should 'cheapen' the RT to compete with Nexus 7, The more competition, the better.

guys u need to remmember that u pay some cash for the windows OS.When u buy a laptop with installed windows in it it u pay around 200$ (in Bulgaria) for the licence more compared to a laptop or pc without OS.So im 100% sure that the cost of the RT version will be will be included in the tablet so lets hope that the OS is around 70% so the tablet can be priced around 250 300$.I think that the RT version starting from 250 300$ is a pretty good price.About the win8 pro i gues 700/800$ +

After having the asus transformer prime for about the last 4 months or so, I can gladly say I would rather pay extra for RT. If they update it like they do other windows then it's worth it. Remember with a free OS YOU GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!

ATIV and W8,Bye bye Note 10.1?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1oEftG3LQU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVchuk4-Ps&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLSbcAN9wxw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If the 500T (yes I see that's a 700T) works well enough, It may be goodbye Note 10.1. I just don't know if it has Wi - Fi Direct very useful feature.

Looks and does the same as the note except thats a pc
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Looks nice but i hate windows. Android and open source appeals more to me
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They're different animals. You can enjoy both.

nymviper1126 said:
It may be goodbye Note 10.1.
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We've all heard the "good" from reviewers that have had little hands on time. You go first and tell us what the "bad" is. To me, there's no rush. There will be plenty of W8 tablets to go around and no harm in waiting for SP2 to address what the early adopters discover. V1 of anything, no matter how thorough the planning and design, is always Mr. Toad's wild ride.
This is from a pre-release review of the HP TouchPad. May it rest in peace.
Finally, webOS on the big screen -- or bigger anyway. The TouchPad is HP's first device running webOS 3.0, a more tablet-friendly version of the little mobile operating system that we've come to love over the years. If you're familiar with earlier versions on perhaps a Pre or a Veer you'll be quite comfortable here because, on the outset, not a lot has changed, particularly when it comes to our favorite part of the OS: multitasking.
Either tap the physical Home button or just swipe up from the bottom of the screen and you'll get into the patented webOS card view, which has been often imitated but never quite duplicated. Each app gets its own card and, should that program spawn a new window (a new browser instance, say, or a new email) that additional card joins a stack. You can then shuffle through the cards in any given pile, drag them around, or just flick them off the top of the screen to send them to the big garbage collector in the sky.
As ever, navigating apps like this is genuinely fun; there's something very satisfying about literally throwing away a window that you no longer want cluttering up your screen or your RAM. And it's all helped by everything in the OS being generally snappy and responsive -- even if the applications themselves are occasionally rather less so. Cycling through running programs and swiping around is quick, but the experience is less gesture-heavy than previous phone versions.​

toenail_flicker said:
They're different animals. You can enjoy both.
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I was thinking keeping the Note 10.1 for school/fun, and the ATIV for Work / presenting. (man is it hard to write a slash) but will feel silly having both(Ipad currently"bathroom" material)
Other dilema is getting the N2 when I have the OG Note. First world problems.

nymviper1126 said:
I was thinking keeping the Note 10.1 for school/fun, and the ATIV for Work / presenting. (man is it hard to write a slash) but will feel silly having both(Ipad currently"bathroom" material)
Other dilema is getting the N2 when I have the OG Note. First world problems.
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Have to admit that's a quality problem.

Same functionality as GN 10.1 but double the cost, higher energy usage and heat output, more bloat and questionable stability.
I don't miss turning on my Windows desktop and laptop.

mi7chy said:
Same functionality as GN 10.1 but double the cost, higher energy usage and heat output, more bloat and questionable stability.
I don't miss turning on my Windows desktop and laptop.
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I go out of my way not to use either of them.

I think Microsoft's new products and os RT and 8 on the surface will step change the market like the original net books did in their time and the original iPad too, I love my note 10.1 and have hardly put it down since I got it, but I am hitting the limitations of android more and more as I use it for productivity, instance photo gallery apps can't display nested folders, they can't display a folders worth of pictures on a map, no native word or excel products.....it's still a remarkably good attempt to be an all round tool rather than just a consumption device.
I also think Apple will be forced to introduce proper stylus support as Samsung have,and soon Windows 8 and RT will show consumers do want to use a stylus in conjunction with a multi touch screen despite what Steve jobs decreed......the upcoming iPod mini is testament to Apple having to catch up on the market rather than lead it, I'll not want an Apple tablet for the moment due to its straight jacket os & eco system but I'll certainly consider a Windows 8/ RT for my next one
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ok all the W8 tabs released are RT version which means none of the native apps will work on them, Every software needs time to get stable and since this is the first version expect lots of issues. Yes the built quality of tabs are impressive but thats not what matters in a gadget we are not in a beauty contest its the usability the biggest dis advantge W8 will have is apps as they will take time. Then we do not know the future roadmap windows never upgrades for free and has a very long update cycle and we already know none of the W7 devices can be upgraded to W8 and that could be the case in future to.
Again its a close enviourment and hence you will have very future options a perfect case example is I have an 2x and we all know LG is still to update it to 4 but because there are so many developers out there we have un official roms which will do it that will also be the case with Samsung note but wont with windows 8
To be frank if I have to look at anything other then Android then why not go in for IPad why would i gamble of W8 when know none of the windows versions have been perfect

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We've all heard the "good" from reviewers that have had little hands on time. You go first and tell us what the "bad" is. To me, there's no rush. There will be plenty of W8 tablets to go around an
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Seconded!!!

We need James Franco in these videos; they look too corporate :laugh:
The promo videos always look nice; I'm anxiously waiting to get some hands-on time with the Series 5 slate before passing any judgement. As mentioned, no rush at this point.
PS: I liked the part where he was projecting a power point presentation without any wires. I don't think I've seen that "feature" mentioned anywhere

Reviewers can be paid to give a good review wait from reviews from actual users who will give an un biased review

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ok all the W8 tabs released are RT version. I DONT THINK THIS IS CORRECT. (Proversion is everywhere. And plenty of review vids of pro in action.) ,
Every software needs time to get stable. TRUE .
Yes the built quality of tabs are impressive but thats not what matters in a gadget we are not in a beauty contest its the usability the biggest dis advantge W8 will have is apps as they will take time TRUE AGAIN.
Then we do not know the future roadmap windows never upgrades for free and has a very long update cycle BUT STILL SUPPORTS SYSTEMS10 YEARs OLD
CANT SAY THAT FOR APPLE 1. W HICH IS ONLY 2 YEARS OLD
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To be clear just making some observations and don't want my caps to be taken wrong as i wasnt sure if my text would get lost in your quote.
I who use my tab.s. for work 80 percent of each day will take the chance on a win 8 as I believe they will not let this fail without a good fight.
I have not Put my note down since getting it and will never get another tab without a dig Pen. That said I will probably get the ativ to try it out.but still keep my note :silly:

Ok Please check this link
http://www.gizmag.com/windows-8-tablet-showdow/24440/
It clearly says none of the tablet are release till day the first one will be released is Surface and the version to be released is RT and pro version will only release next year
Please read this about windows RT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
also if you see the pricing of the tabs except for surface they are almost double compared to any other tab even the pro version of surface tab is supposed to cost around a 1000$ but that is speculation as no pricing is out.
I would not say that windows 7 will support a system 10 years old that is not factually and technicall correct 10 years back the standard ram and pc configuration available would not be able to run windows 7 and that is more so case with windows 8 and even the drivers for earlier version will not work with windows 8 as I am using it for couple of months and I know that for sure and it is a fact that Windows 7 for mobiles which is built for ARM processor based devices cannot be upgraded to windows 8 and so was the case with windows 6 based devices. so when it comes to mobile devices microsoft is no different and the same is more disturbing with windows devices is because generally the limitation to upgrade the software is because the hardware is not powerful enough but in windows 7 mobile case nokias flagship lumia models even today are shipping with it.
So even someone who purchases a top of the line phone from nokia today cannot upgrade its OS which comes out this month isnt this a serious flaw in it itself and worst then what apple does.
If you look at it what does windows offer except for a live tile interface the RT will come with office and some more apps but other then that there is nothing exciting about it believe me you will get bored with the tile app pretty soon most of the PC users do not like it and hence its logical most of the tablet users will also not like it.
Even one of its biggest partners Intel has said windows 8 is not ready

mi7chy said:
Same functionality as GN 10.1 but double the cost, higher energy usage and heat output, more bloat and questionable stability.
I don't miss turning on my Windows desktop and laptop.
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This maybe the most misinformed thing on this forum yet!
Right now Windows 8 is a lot more stable than any version of android. Is not double the cost (749 with the keyboard for Smart PC, 650 without keyboard for Note 10.1). The atom version isn't going to have any more heat output but will have about the same battery life, the i5 will be a ton faster.
Also: OneNote.
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samir_a said:
ok all the W8 tabs released are RT version which means none of the native apps will work on them, Every software needs time to get stable and since this is the first version expect lots of issues. Yes the built quality of tabs are impressive but thats not what matters in a gadget we are not in a beauty contest its the usability the biggest dis advantge W8 will have is apps as they will take time. Then we do not know the future roadmap windows never upgrades for free and has a very long update cycle and we already know none of the W7 devices can be upgraded to W8 and that could be the case in future to.
Again its a close enviourment and hence you will have very future options a perfect case example is I have an 2x and we all know LG is still to update it to 4 but because there are so many developers out there we have un official roms which will do it that will also be the case with Samsung note but wont with windows 8
To be frank if I have to look at anything other then Android then why not go in for IPad why would i gamble of W8 when know none of the windows versions have been perfect
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>< If you don't know something, why pretend you do. None of the w8 tabs are released yet (Oct 26th is d-day) and most of them are full version. Only a few are RT.

Well I am sure of the information I have given but may be you are not aware so my humble suggestion to you would be please go search the net and research before commenting you will know.
I bet by using the word full version you showed that you are the one who does not know what you are talking about there are two version of Windows
Please this review for dummies on different windows 8 versions may be it will help you understand windows 8 better
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-different-versions-of-windows-8.html
Now read this review and if you think even they do not know what they are talking about then search for many other review
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-ativ-tab-1094049/review
Also please review the statement made by Microsoft when they launched surface they have two versions RT based tablets which have been announced and a Pro version which will be launched which I was referring to
I never doubt anyones intellect but if do not agree with someone just put my point without disrespecting him but if some wants does that to me I am not the one who will hold back on him We should remember this is forum where we exchange views on technology so there is nothing to get personal about.
All I can say is after putting these facts to you I am a fool and you are the smart oen

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Well I am sure of the information I have given but may be you are not aware so my humble suggestion to you would be please go search the net and research before commenting you will know.
I bet by using the word full version you showed that you are the one who does not know what you are talking about there are two version of Windows
Please this review for dummies on different windows 8 versions may be it will help you understand windows 8 better
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-different-versions-of-windows-8.html
Now read this review and if you think even they do not know what they are talking about then search for many other review
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-ativ-tab-1094049/review
Also please review the statement made by Microsoft when they launched surface they have two versions RT based tablets which have been announced and a Pro version which will be launched which I was referring to
I never doubt anyones intellect but if do not agree with someone just put my point without disrespecting him but if some wants does that to me I am not the one who will hold back on him We should remember this is forum where we exchange views on technology so there is nothing to get personal about.
All I can say is after putting these facts to you I am a fool and you are the smart oen
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I think you are very confused about the upcoming Windows 8 tablets.
There will be tablets from the same manufacturers (e.g., Asus, Samsung, Acer, etc) running both Windows 8 RT and full Windows 8. For instance, the Series 5 and Series 8 Samsung tablets are going to be available at the launch of Windows 8 on October 26, and some of them will be little later (e.g., Acer's 510 that runs full Windows as well). In addition to the Clover-trail-based version, they'll also have tablets running the RT version.
If you are exclusively referring to MS Surface running RT (doubt it since you said "all the W8 tabs released are RT version"), then Surface Pro will be released early next year running full Windows 8.
Please rephrase your original comment/concern, so that we can understand what you'd like to discuss regarding this topic.

Thanks you pointed out flaws but by not getting personal
Read these reviews
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-ativ-tab-1094049/review
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57532972-94/samsung-unveils-windows-8-ultrabook-tablet-hybrids/
These more of laptop tablet hybrids rather then tablets and the costing is also high. they are intel based devices more like normal ultrabooks