So Facebook (Oculus) has come up big time supporting Samsung. Let's discuss everything related to VR hardware and S7 related experience here.
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Well VR on 1440p just sucks. Samsung could have brought out 4k, that would have been a huge improvement, but on 1440p you can even see subpixels. Hopefully the s7 edge+ will be 4k, then VR will start to become interesting I think.
I think that's the limitation of the screen and SOC. I don't think that even exynos 8890 or SD820 could handle 4K with reasonable frame rates.
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I think that's the limitation of the screen and SOC. I don't think that even exynos 8890 or SD820 could handle 4K with reasonable frame rates.
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Sony's Z5 has 4k and that's based on an 810, so the above soc's should easily be able to handle 4k. I'm really not sure why nobody seems to bring out 4k screens this year. It would take VR to a new level. Yes, at 4k ,you'd still see pixels, but it would be a huge upgrade and a LOT better VR experience. This whole '1st gen' VR just sucks. I guess we'll have to wait to 2017 though to see a better VR gen appear, maybe the oculus 2 then.
It kinda pisses me off though. I mean who cares about a slightly better camera, a slightly faster cpu. That's not the stuff that matters anymore. My Nexus 6p shoots perfect pictures and everything sails perfectly smooth. But VR just still sucks and everyone that has tried the current VR generation at least has seen the potential that this has. This is going to be huge. But not just this year because the manufacturers dont care about it. I dont get that at all .... If the S7 would have had 4k, I would have bought it without thinking twice ! But now, why the hell should I buy a phone that's only slightly better/faster than what I have now ? (one could even argue that the Nexus 6p is better, I'm pretty sure the interface at least is smoother). So without 4k, no reason to upgrade at all. [/end of rant]
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Sony's Z5 has 4k and that's based on an 810, so the above soc's should easily be able to handle 4k. I'm really not sure why nobody seems to bring out 4k screens this year. It would take VR to a new level. Yes, at 4k ,you'd still see pixels, but it would be a huge upgrade and a LOT better VR experience. This whole '1st gen' VR just sucks. I guess we'll have to wait to 2017 though to see a better VR gen appear, maybe the oculus 2 then.
It kinda pisses me off though. I mean who cares about a slightly better camera, a slightly faster cpu. That's not the stuff that matters anymore. My Nexus 6p shoots perfect pictures and everything sails perfectly smooth. But VR just still sucks and everyone that has tried the current VR generation at least has seen the potential that this has. This is going to be huge. But not just this year because the manufacturers dont care about it. I dont get that at all .... If the S7 would have had 4k, I would have bought it without thinking twice ! But now, why the hell should I buy a phone that's only slightly better/faster than what I have now ? (one could even argue that the Nexus 6p is better, I'm pretty sure the interface at least is smoother). So without 4k, no reason to upgrade at all.
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Your Nexus 6P takes perfect pictures? Pretty sure it doesn't in low light situations. The new phones that come out also aren't really aimed at those with newer phones, but for those that haven't upgraded in the last two years. 4K for VR would be awesome, but I'm sure Oculus were the ones that didn't want the Gear VR to provide a better experience than what you get on the rift. Also not sure if Samsung have any <6" 4k amoled screens at this point that are good enough for VR/Smartphones . I figured I would switch from my Note 4 to the S7 Edge with the free Gear VR, as that will hold me over until we get 4k screens with the S8 and Note 7.
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Your Nexus 6P takes perfect pictures? Pretty sure it doesn't in low light situations.
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What makes you say that ? The nexus 6p was optimized for low light (just like the s7 is now), and was until the s7 THE best phone for low light photos: http://imgur.com/a/dfgLs
Sure the S7 probably is slightly better but I dont care, I'm not a photo purist. My nexus 6p shoots very nice low light photo's and that's all I care about.
but I'm sure Oculus were the ones that didn't want the Gear VR to provide a better experience than what you get on the rift
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Yeah that's what I figure too. It must have been a deal between samsung and Oculus/facebook. Zuckerberg knew that if the S7 would feature 4k, it would KILL the oculus and that's why they made a deal. Gear VR is a joint project between them anyway and Zuckerberg also spoke during the Samsung S7 presentation so they're good 'friends' nowadays anyway. Really really too bad. The joke would be huge if Apple decided to feature the iphone 7 with 4k and go from nowhere to the leading position in the VR race It would become my first iphone then
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Sony's Z5 has 4k and that's based on an 810, so the above soc's should easily be able to handle 4k. I'm really not sure why nobody seems to bring out 4k screens this year. It would take VR to a new level. Yes, at 4k ,you'd still see pixels, but it would be a huge upgrade and a LOT better VR experience. This whole '1st gen' VR just sucks. I guess we'll have to wait to 2017 though to see a better VR gen appear, maybe the oculus 2 then.
It kinda pisses me off though. I mean who cares about a slightly better camera, a slightly faster cpu. That's not the stuff that matters anymore. My Nexus 6p shoots perfect pictures and everything sails perfectly smooth. But VR just still sucks and everyone that has tried the current VR generation at least has seen the potential that this has. This is going to be huge. But not just this year because the manufacturers dont care about it. I dont get that at all .... If the S7 would have had 4k, I would have bought it without thinking twice ! But now, why the hell should I buy a phone that's only slightly better/faster than what I have now ? (one could even argue that the Nexus 6p is better, I'm pretty sure the interface at least is smoother). So without 4k, no reason to upgrade at all. [/end of rant]
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the Z5 uses an IPS LCD display, which have very bad response times for VR. UHD amoled displays are just too expensive at this time.
You would need a 8K panel to not see the sub pixels because oculus use magnifying lenses (which is an ugly hack) to artificially increase the FOV.
By comparison, if you use a HMZ-T3 HMD, even through it uses 2 720p micro OLED panels (which btw is a much better solution than one 1440p OLED panel, though more expensive), you don't see any sub pixels even at 720p resolution, so no screen door effect, unlike the Gear VR and Oculus Rift
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What makes you say that ? The nexus 6p was optimized for low light (just like the s7 is now), and was until the s7 THE best phone for low light photos: http://imgur.com/a/dfgLs
Sure the S7 probably is slightly better but I dont care, I'm not a photo purist. My nexus 6p shoots very nice low light photo's and that's all I care about.
Yeah that's what I figure too. It must have been a deal between samsung and Oculus/facebook. Zuckerberg knew that if the S7 would feature 4k, it would KILL the oculus and that's why they made a deal. Gear VR is a joint project between them anyway and Zuckerberg also spoke during the Samsung S7 presentation so they're good 'friends' nowadays anyway. Really really too bad. The joke would be huge if Apple decided to feature the iphone 7 with 4k and go from nowhere to the leading position in the VR race It would become my first iphone then
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More like, the VR is still a niche market and regular users are totally content with 1440p 5.5" panels on their phones, there aren't enough VR users out there for Samsung to justify the cost and 2160p vs 1440p on a cell phone panel is more of a gimmick than anything else to anyone but VR users.
Finally, VR games are GPU intensive, it costs a lot of power (read battery) and dissipates a lot of heat (which you need to constantly keep under a certain temperature) to drive a VR game or app at 2160p (or higher).
A 2160p panel would make much more sense on the actual RIFT device that can be driven by proper GPU architectures (Pascal or Polaris coming in 2016), that said, Oculus have to do with what they are given, and Samsung isn't producing small sized 4K OLED panels, in fact there isn't enough demand on the Rift to justify the production of a custom panel for it, not to mention it's already overpriced enough as it is (€750 in Europe, which is a joke...Good luck targeting mainstream consumers with prices like that)
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You would need a 8K panel to not see the sub pixels because oculus use magnifying lenses (which is an ugly hack) to artificially increase the FOV.
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Yes and you'd need 8k *per eye* to stop seeing pixels at all, I know. But still, 4k would be a huge upgrade over 1440p. If I play a 1080p VR movie or a 1440p, that's a huge difference already in the whole expierence (1080p just really sucks, 1440p is just bearable in my opinion). The coming years we'll see every year a better and better experience up till the point when we've reached that 8k per eye in combo with low response rate. It's a gradual process. But that's why I'm a bit pissed that another year seems to be thrown away now nobody is implementing 4k this year. I just cant wait man VR is going to be huge, everybody who tried gear VR knows that.
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More like, the VR is still a niche market and regular users are totally content with 1440p 5.5" panels on their phones, there aren't enough VR users out there for Samsung to justify the cost and 2160p vs 1440p on a cell phone panel is more of a gimmick than anything else to anyone but VR users
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It's a chicken-egg dilemma. Samsung now seems to have chosen the strategy to first get more people into VR (the whole s7 presentation was built up around VR and they're giving away free gear vr's now with pre-orders). But not offering a good experience, by offering 1440p, most likely wont attract huge interest. My collegue for example was really excited about VR coming but when he tried the current gen his excitement was totally gone. And I must say my own experience was quite similar. In my opinion the current VR gen is just a promise of better days to come: you can see what it can do but just at very low quality.
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It's a chicken-egg dilemma. Samsung now seems to have chosen the strategy to first get more people into VR (the whole s7 presentation was built up around VR and they're giving away free gear vr's now with pre-orders). But not offering a good experience, by offering 1440p, most likely wont attract huge interest. My collegue for example was really excited about VR coming but when he tried the current gen his excitement was totally gone. And I must say my own experience was quite similar. In my opinion the current VR gen is just a promise of better days to come: you can see what it can do but just at very low quality.
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Try the Sony HMZ series and you will see what a good HMD is like (sub pixels can't be seen at all, you feel like in front of a 130" screen), that said, no VR on those since you only have a 45° FOV and no head tracking. At least they don't compromise the FOV for image distortion and screen door effects though.
Well, maybe 2016 will be a lost year in the VR world, but things WILL get interesting the coming years, if samsung can get indeed 11k displays for phones ready by 2018: http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/...a-11k-screen-samsungs-on-it.aspx#.Vhd8iDYVjIU
I think (a modification to) Sony's Z5 approach is going to be the right way. in non-VR usage these phones should render 1440p but when connected to a VR headset, the higher resolutions should become enabled. I think that's going to be the way of the future.
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This whole '1st gen' VR just sucks.
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For 100 USD/EUR no, it doesn't suck at all.
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Well, maybe 2016 will be a lost year in the VR world
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In will only be lost for you, everybody else will enjoy the technology.
I suppose you never watched TV until Full HD became available. Well...your loss
Your remarks remind me of the fox and sour grapes. VR is here and you have very limited options with your Huawei phone.
How much can the VR sell for?
1440p/2 is just about bearable for VR, Samsung are not looking to directly compete with Oculus Rift, this entry level VR so the experience reflects that.
Will Samsung give Gear VR or Gear VR2 with pre-orders? Do anyone know?
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For 100 USD/EUR no, it doesn't suck at all.
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So you call seeing sub-pixels and lag that makes you nauseous actually a good experience ? Good for you then.
VR is here and you have very limited options with your Huawei phone.
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LOL, you never heard of google cardboard ? I have this one http://www.homido.com/ (which actually isnt even cardboard cause it doesnt feature the cardboard button) but there are so many different (cardboard based) VR goggles out there, anyone with a smartphone can have VR and has a zillion options, just check out Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=vr+goggles
But it doesnt matter which headset you're using, they all just s*ck cause 1440p is the max that's currently out there. Sony's Z5 is the only phone with a 4k display out there but those engineers at Sony made it so you cant use 4k for VR, not sure what they were thinking there ...
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1440p/2 is just about bearable for VR, Samsung are not looking to directly compete with Oculus Rift, this entry level VR so the experience reflects that.
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Agreed that it's about bearable. Obviously when they designed the Gear VR together with Oculus, they agreed not to compete with them and dont bring 4k to the consumer just yet. It's business I get that. I just wish they hadnt made such a deal would have pushed full power forwards. Cause now Samsung doesnt do it, I dont see nobody else doing it neither, at least not in 2016 ...
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1440p/2 is just about bearable for VR, Samsung are not looking to directly compete with Oculus Rift, this entry level VR so the experience reflects that.
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Agreed that it's about bearable. Obviously when they designed the Gear VR together with Oculus, they agreed not to compete with them and dont bring 4k to the consumer just yet. It's business I get that.
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Oculus Rift resolution per eye: 1200x1080.
Gear VR resolution per eye: 1440x1280.
Surprise...Gear VR has better resolution than the best VR solution available.
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Oculus Rift resolution per eye: 1200x1080.
Gear VR resolution per eye: 1440x1280.
Surprise...Gear VR has better resolution than the best VR solution available.
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We will see how that turns out.
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UPDATE: I had to take the videos down for the moment at Samsung's request. There is information that they are about to change some design features and specs, but I don't know when and what exactly. I'm sorry for the situation, but I assure you I'll post them back as soon as I get word of it! Thank you for your interest and patience
I've had the chance to play around with the Note 10.1, that's the tablet with the S Pen. The reason they've delayed the release is that they've changed it dramatically since the preview at the MWC. It now has a 1.4GHz quadcore processor (I think it's the Exynos on the SIII), a 5 MP camera (instead of the 3.15) and the back got a hyperglazed finish just as the SIII. I've had the pebble blue one and I'm not sure if there is a marble white one.
The S Pen is much bigger than the Note 5.3 (looks EXACTLY the same), but smaller than the model shown at the MWC and it now fits inside a vertical hole in the lower left side. An amazing software feature is the Photoshop Touch app which is brilliant (as you may see in my video).
Here are my videos:
Short hands on presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eueOIjW5cIo
S Pen and Photoshop Touch review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0b0SRT_D74
It's an astonishing device, clearly stepping way higher in the high end line and it works like a charm. If you have questions feel free to ask, but unfortunately I no longer have it to do extra demos.
Which is the resolution? Still stuck at that 1280x800??
Yes, but I had no problem with it. At 150 ppi it's quite ok in my opinion.
If the resolution will be the same it will not compete with the ipad and will not sell well and i will not buy it either.
Thanks for the videos! This is a first day purchase for me. Any news on the release date?
Even 1920x1080 are too low for a 10.1. To compete with ipad visual quality they can barely put this resolution into a 8.9, but for a 10.1... no way it's too low.
Omg, Samsung is fond of low ppi especially if fullRGB, yes it's cheaper to build but OMG!
Unfortunately I have no such info, but given the fact that *I* (not some hotshot official) had access to one, it can't be far.
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Even 1920x1080 are too low for a 10.1. To compete with ipad visual quality they can barely put this resolution into a 8.9, but for a 10.1... no way it's too low.
Omg, Samsung is fond of low ppi especially if fullRGB, yes it's cheaper to build but OMG!
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BS.
1920x1080 is normal-sized monitor HD resolution, to say it's too low for a 10.1" screen is beyond ridiculous.
iPhone's "Retina" resolution is completely worthless on a useless 3.5", iPad's "Retina" display is overkill. The higher the resolution the better... up to a point.
Beyond that you are just paying a weight and power consumption (and also brightness in the case of the Ipad) penalty without getting your worth (the higher the resolutions the less your eye is able to see the difference).
Full HD resolution on a 10.1" would be ideal.
P.S. "Samsung is fond of low ppi"??
The Galaxy Tab 10.1's PPI is over 10% higher than the iPad2's.
Great. Thanks for the videos. I really look forward to a launch. Hopefully very soon. I aim for this to be my note-taken tool at work. I hope it will live up to that and be usefull. (Not hand click when using the pen etc.).
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BS.
1920x1080 is normal-sized monitor HD resolution, to say it's too low for a 10.1" screen is beyond ridiculous.
iPhone's "Retina" resolution is completely worthless on a useless 3.5", iPad's "Retina" display is overkill. The higher the resolution the better... up to a point.
Beyond that you are just paying a weight and power consumption (and also brightness in the case of the Ipad) penalty without getting your worth (the higher the resolutions the less your eye is able to see the difference).
Full HD resolution on a 10.1" would be ideal.
P.S. "Samsung is fond of low ppi"??
The Galaxy Tab 10.1's PPI is over 10% higher than the iPad2's.
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Normal sized monitor is not meant to be used as close as a tablet.
The closer a device is used the higher the ppi should be. For a smartphone pixels start beeing unnoticeable from 320-330ppi. Actually the best job is made by lg with 1280x720 on a 4.3" and 342ppi, higher than apple.
The tablet is meant to be used less close than a phone, so the ppi can be lower, around 250... the value adopted by apple in ipad3.
So for an optimal view the ppi has to be higher. 1280x800 on a 10.1 does mean a too low ppi (maybe not for a monitor, but surely for a tablet).
And yes, I confirm that samsung is fond of low ppi devices. You tell me the higest ppi of a fullRGB display of a Samsung device. FullRGB only, because the pentile matrix trash doesn't worth any talk, you know that at ppi being equal the visual quality of a pentile is much lower due to less subpixels, so i.e. the actual ppi of a 300ppi samoled hd is around 250, but this is something already well known.
Do you have any information about battery life?
i'm thinking about buying a tablet .. and i was comparing between this one and the galaxy tab 2 10.1 .. i'm going to buy it for college use .. to be honest .. i haven't had any tablet before .. it's my first .. and i want recommendations .. which one should i buy .. galaxy note 10.1 or tab 10.1 or go for an ipad 3 ?
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i'm thinking about buying a tablet .. and i was comparing between this one and the galaxy tab 2 10.1 .. i'm going to buy it for college use .. to be honest .. i haven't had any tablet before .. it's my first .. and i want recommendations .. which one should i buy .. galaxy note 10.1 or tab 10.1 or go for an ipad 3 ?
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The tab 2 10.1 is painfully slow. It's disappointing because it could have been a much better option if they had just put in a better processor (I know the tablet is supposed to be entry level, but the year-old exynos from the s2 would have been better). I'm not a huge gamer, but I do want a tablet that runs without much lag out of the box. I also want to play HD video files without frame skipping and the tab 2 10.1 isn't very good for this either.
As far as the other 2, it depends on you. The new ipad is nice. It's fast and has a fantastic display. My brother in law has one and absolutely loves it.
Personally, I usually gravitate towards android (and samsung). The note 10.1 doesn't have the PPI of the ipad, but it can fully display 720p hd video which is good enough for me. The screen is also a little bigger (than the ipad). Memory expansion is nice through microsd and the US version should have the IR blaster to use as a universal remote. The potential of using the s-pen for note taking and drawing is also a big plus for me. The quad core processor should also be able to handle just about whatever you throw at it (at least for a couple of years).
I wish the resolution was higher. I hate the display on my Tab 10.1, there's a distinct lack of clarity.
Probably gonna exchange my tab10.1 for the Note10.1
Hope it will launch soon, any rumours on that subject?
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That ppi is still ridiculous. Either they increase it till around 250, or sammy will get only low end customers.
But since they still use that crappy ppi on high end smartphones, I guess they are not able to increase the ppi in a tablet.
How close do you hold a tablet? How far do you sit from a monitor? For me it's only a few inches difference in usage? i sit approx arms length away from my monitors and hold my tablet only a few inches closer than that (arms slightly bent)
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The tab 2 10.1 is painfully slow. It's disappointing because it could have been a much better option if they had just put in a better processor (I know the tablet is supposed to be entry level, but the year-old exynos from the s2 would have been better). I'm not a huge gamer, but I do want a tablet that runs without much lag out of the box. I also want to play HD video files without frame skipping and the tab 2 10.1 isn't very good for this either.
As far as the other 2, it depends on you. The new ipad is nice. It's fast and has a fantastic display. My brother in law has one and absolutely loves it.
Personally, I usually gravitate towards android (and samsung). The note 10.1 doesn't have the PPI of the ipad, but it can fully display 720p hd video which is good enough for me. The screen is also a little bigger (than the ipad). Memory expansion is nice through microsd and the US version should have the IR blaster to use as a universal remote. The potential of using the s-pen for note taking and drawing is also a big plus for me. The quad core processor should also be able to handle just about whatever you throw at it (at least for a couple of years).
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well then the tab 2 10.1 is out of the race .. now the iPad 3 And The Note 10.1 .. so your recommendation is to have the note 10.1 right?
That's what I'm going with, but i don't think there's really a wrong choice
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I'm amused by all the comments linking the tablet to the low end of the market simply due to the low ppi. Clearly, everyone has different requirements out of a device. By putting a stylus on a 10" tablet, Samsung attained my personal "Shut up and take my money!" threshold. **** PPI, do you know how incredibly, mind blowingly useful a stylus is? As soon as I can figure out where to buy this thing, I'm buying it. I've been begging for a full sized tablet with a stylus ever since the original Note came out. This is my actual dream come true.
Just confused which one to go far , the prices are coming down daily ,
179 pounds for gpad and £ 129 for pad 3 8 ,
Google nexus 32 gb is 170 pounds
Want to use for browsing
Streaming from nas
Read books , games for kids ,
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LG G Pad. BTW, it's Galaxy Tab, not Galaxy Pad, and it has ultra lame specs.
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LG G Pad. BTW, it's Galaxy Tab, not Galaxy Pad, and it has ultra lame specs.
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Lame specs? Depends on what you use it for. I have two of them (samsung galaxy tab 3 - 8.0) and the G Pad. Although my LG tablet has far superior specs, the Samsung tablet easily holds its own in video, reading, web browsing etc. Plus the screen is "much" brighter than the LG tablet. If you favor a dimmer screen, the LG is the way to go. Battery is roughly the same on them as well.
Build quality, the LG is definitely more premium with an aluminum back. However, if you are like me and immediately put your tablets in cases, there is literally no difference.
Also, I prefer the physical buttons on the base of the Samsung over the virtual ones on the LG. You get full screen real estate which is a nice bonus.
Given there is a big price delta between the two, perhaps you should provide something vaguely constructive. From your brief comments I can tell you have never used the Samsung tab or had it in conjunction with the LG or you would know how little difference there is in performance. Not to mention, the Samsung screen, despite being lower resolution has zero bleed and no blue line on the screen that many LG owners in this forum have reported. Also the Samsung does not overheat like the LG either...
I suppose if you are using bleeding edge Android games, the LG will come off better but otherwise, there really isn't much of a difference between them.
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Lame specs? Depends on what you use it for. I have two of them (samsung galaxy tab 3 - 8.0) and the G Pad. Although my LG tablet has far superior specs, the Samsung tablet easily holds its own in video, reading, web browsing etc. Plus the screen is "much" brighter than the LG tablet. If you favor a dimmer screen, the LG is the way to go. Battery is roughly the same on them as well.
Build quality, the LG is definitely more premium with an aluminum back. However, if you are like me and immediately put your tablets in cases, there is literally no difference.
Also, I prefer the physical buttons on the base of the Samsung over the virtual ones on the LG. You get full screen real estate which is a nice bonus.
Given there is a big price delta between the two, perhaps you should provide something vaguely constructive. From your brief comments I can tell you have never used the Samsung tab or had it in conjunction with the LG or you would know how little difference there is in performance. Not to mention, the Samsung screen, despite being lower resolution has zero bleed and no blue line on the screen that many LG owners in this forum have reported. Also the Samsung does not overheat like the LG either...
I suppose if you are using bleeding edge Android games, the LG will come off better but otherwise, there really isn't much of a difference between them.
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i own a iPhone 5 32 gb
galaxy note 2 note 2 with 64 gb card
asus ft 300t 32 gb with dock with 32 gb card
and a sony tablets 32 gb with extra 32 gb card
all of them are running on stock roms ,
you can see that i put lot of stuff on them so wanted a tab with a expandable memorry card
just wondering as the lg gpad specs look good ,just wanted to know from someone who has used them to share there experience
i just want a tblet which should last for abit like teh functions but now a days the technology is moving so fast that i dont think its going to be possible
just thought as i was getting the lg gpad for 179 pounds and the samsung tab 3 8 is for 129 punds ,is it worth the extra 50 pounds spend or should i stick with the tab 3 .
will be just using it for the kids to watch movies from the nas and play games ,
browsing the internet and reading books on aldiko
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Lame specs? Depends on what you use it for. I have two of them (samsung galaxy tab 3 - 8.0) and the G Pad. Although my LG tablet has far superior specs, the Samsung tablet easily holds its own in video, reading, web browsing etc. Plus the screen is "much" brighter than the LG tablet. If you favor a dimmer screen, the LG is the way to go. Battery is roughly the same on them as well.
Build quality, the LG is definitely more premium with an aluminum back. However, if you are like me and immediately put your tablets in cases, there is literally no difference.
Also, I prefer the physical buttons on the base of the Samsung over the virtual ones on the LG. You get full screen real estate which is a nice bonus.
Given there is a big price delta between the two, perhaps you should provide something vaguely constructive. From your brief comments I can tell you have never used the Samsung tab or had it in conjunction with the LG or you would know how little difference there is in performance. Not to mention, the Samsung screen, despite being lower resolution has zero bleed and no blue line on the screen that many LG owners in this forum have reported. Also the Samsung does not overheat like the LG either...
I suppose if you are using bleeding edge Android games, the LG will come off better but otherwise, there really isn't much of a difference between them.
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The major reason the Galaxy Tab 3 8 is lame is resolution. 800 * 1280! Are they not ashamed?! The Galaxy S4 has 1920*1080! When I saw it for the first time the low resoultion made me never consider buying it. Plus, it's much weaker.
OP, if there's such a major price difference, and it's going to be for kids to watch movies (they won't notice the resolution), get the galaxy tab 3 8. Here in israel the galaxy tab actually costs MORE than the G Pad! Absurd right?
BTW, you know there's a "kids edition" Galaxy tab right? Maybe you want to get that one for your kids. It's pricier and it's 7 inch, but comes with kids apps and is much sturdier.
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The major reason the Galaxy Tab 3 8 is lame is resolution. 800 * 1280! Are they not ashamed?! The Galaxy S4 has 1920*1080! When I saw it for the first time the low resoultion made me never consider buying it. Plus, it's much weaker.
OP, if there's such a major price difference, and it's going to be for kids to watch movies (they won't notice the resolution), get the galaxy tab 3 8. Here in israel the galaxy tab actually costs MORE than the G Pad! Absurd right?
BTW, you know there's a "kids edition" Galaxy tab right? Maybe you want to get that one for your kids. It's pricier and it's 7 inch, but comes with kids apps and is much sturdier.
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As I mentioned, yes the Samsung screen is lower resolution. You owned one right? Try putting it side by side with an IPad Mini retina, and the G Pad and run the same video on each. Unless you have put a 9GB 1080P mkv file on it, there is literally no difference. Most tv files run at 480P and most movies run at 720P. Given that 720P is 1280x720, a 1280x800 tablet runs it native...
I'm not saying the Samsung is the best tablet out there, it clearly isn't. But for the price, it is a great device. It really comes down to what you use your tablet for the most.
I bought the LG (while owning the Samsung 8") exactly for the reason you mentioned; I wanted a higher res screen and more horsepower. The screen turned out to be much dimmer (something that bothers me to no end) and the extra horsepower does not run the apps I use any faster - video playback, web browsing, Moon+ reader for reading. If I played games on a tablet it might matter.
Here is my 3, Mini Retina, LG G Pad and Samsung 8".
Easy to compare when you have all of them at once.
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As I mentioned, yes the Samsung screen is lower resolution. You owned one right? Try putting it side by side with an IPad Mini retina, and the G Pad and run the same video on each. Unless you have put a 9GB 1080P mkv file on it, there is literally no difference. Most tv files run at 480P and most movies run at 720P. Given that 720P is 1280x720, a 1280x800 tablet runs it native...
I'm not saying the Samsung is the best tablet out there, it clearly isn't. But for the price, it is a great device. It really comes down to what you use your tablet for the most.
I bought the LG (while owning the Samsung 8") exactly for the reason you mentioned; I wanted a higher res screen and more horsepower. The screen turned out to be much dimmer (something that bothers me to no end) and the extra horsepower does not run the apps I use any faster - video playback, web browsing, Moon+ reader for reading. If I played games on a tablet it might matter.
Here is my 3, Mini Retina, LG G Pad and Samsung 8".
Easy to compare when you have all of them at once.
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I have no problem with the brigthness. The resolution is less for movies, more for UI elements and tezt to look more crisp. And BTW - a 720p will look better on a 1080p screen than on a 720p screen, because of the small spaces between the pixels that are visible
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A lot of people is easily falling into the marketing tacticts of manufacturers.
Probably most of the people have 32" or bigger tv's with a maximunm resolution of 1080p, some people even has 1080i or 720p tv's and most of the people is happy with that.
But when a 8" device is sold with 720p screen people complain about it been low resolution, that's crazy...
By the way, I received my G Pad yesterday and as expected it have the light bleedign issue when using in potrait mode. I contacted amazon and they sent me a replacement today which has exactly the same issue. I'm starting to think that all the G Pad's have that f**ing light bleeding issue
I'm thinking if I should ask for a refund and get a Galaxy Tab 3 8 even if it's les powerful and will never be updated again
Mine gpad shows the 7 light bleed on the right side in dom light and the box wad open so will be going back
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I just need the G Pad to be brighter so that I can watch my movies. Otherwise it is perfect.
EdenGottlieb said:
I have no problem with the brigthness. The resolution is less for movies, more for UI elements and tezt to look more crisp. And BTW - a 720p will look better on a 1080p screen than on a 720p screen, because of the small spaces between the pixels that are visible
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That makes no difference on 720P video or lower quality. It would upscale it according the resolution on the tablet which does not provide a clearer picture.
1280x720 does not look clearer than 1280x720 on a 1920x1200 screen...
Now if you are running at 1080P video on a 720P screen, then there is a difference as it has to downscale. However, not sure how many people run 9 or 10 GB files on their tablets.
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That makes no difference on 720P video or lower quality. It would upscale it according the resolution on the tablet which does not provide a clearer picture.
1280x720 does not look clearer than 1280x720 on a 1920x1200 screen...
Now if you are running at 1080P video on a 720P screen, then there is a difference as it has to downscale. However, not sure how many people run 9 or 10 GB files on their tablets.
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I'm telling ya, 720 looks better on 1080 for me! I have a very good eyesight and when a single pixel spreads on several pixels it looks better to me.
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I'm telling ya, 720 looks better on 1080 for me! I have a very good eyesight and when a single pixel spreads on several pixels it looks better to me.
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im happy with teh tab 3 8 ,its look better rather then reading the reviews ,
gpad going back tomorrow
I would lean towards the Tab Pro instead of the regular Tab. Resolution is incredible on the Tab Pro 8.4
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I also noticed a lot of light bleeding on two G Pads I had. And even on the one without light bleeding, the screen wasn't as sharp on the edges. Not a fan of the panel I guess. Nexus 7 is terrific. Just a bit too small for me to justify buying one when I have a Nexus 5. Tab Pro on the other hand is an excellent tablet, great display and faster than the Nexus 7.
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I'm telling ya, 720 looks better on 1080 for me! I have a very good eyesight and when a single pixel spreads on several pixels it looks better to me.
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And I am telling ya.. that it doesn't work that way. Sounds like you are suffering from the placebo effect. Because you think it's better you are perceiving it as such.
I'll explain one last time and if that doesn't work I'd suggest you google the concept.
720P video on a 1080P screen will not be clearer (nor will 480P, the resolution many HD tv programs still run at and the default setting for Netflix). The video player is interlacing and upscaling the video by filling in the unused pixels. It is not clearer unless as I have said twice, you are running a 1080P video on a 1080P screen.
Maybe all the video files you are watching are 10 or 11GB mp4 or mkv 1080P rips from bluray. If that is the case then yes, it will look sharper on a higher resolution screen that does not require software interpolation to fill unused areas.
I'd be willing to bet that if I put two screens side by side and ran an identical video and hid which tablet was which (one at 720p and one at 1080P) you would be hard pressed to determine which is which.
I have buddy's that swear their 1080P tv's are clearer with an HD cable box than they are with a 720P tv. Again, a misnomer. HD cable boxes (at least in Canada) run exclusively at 480P and 720P. There is no cable service in Canada that runs native 1080P. You pretty much need to run a bluray or 4k content to get that resolution "native".
The only place where this may vary is if you are using a tv with a crappy encoding interlacing/deinterlacing engine or an abysmally poor screen. A good 1080P screen vs. a terrible quality 720P screen may actually look better with 720P content because the tv is doing a better job at conversion.
On 8" tablets, it is moot. The pixels are so small to begin with (and most of the screens are made by one of 3 companies) that screen quality will not come into play.
I got my G Tab 8.3 on Friday for 200 British pounds. The tablet had the widely common 7 light bleed so I informed amazon and they sent me a replacement.
On Saturday I received the replacement, which unfortunately also had the light bleeding issue so I started to think if I should ask them for another replacement, ask LG to fix it or simply return it.
Today, Sunday I decided to return both LG G Pads and I bought the Galaxy Tab 3 8" for 130 British pounds.
As everyone knows the Galaxy Tab 3 8" has less resolution, worst cpu, worst gpu and less ram. But the screen is still pretty good, the speakers are better and the performance is still very good even with games like Asphalt 8.
In my opinion and considering that the light bleeding issue on the G Pad 8.3 is the common thing, I would suggest to go for the Galaxy Tab 3 8" if the price difference between both products is big (like it was in my case).
The Galaxy Tab 3 8" is worst, that's true. But it still performs pretty well and it doesn't have manufacture issues.
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Nexus 7 v2 hands down
N7v2 is the thing. If you are a technical person, do yourself a favor and read http anandtech.com/show/7231/the-nexus-7-2013-review (not just the summary - soldier on through the whole thing, it is interesting read). - UPDATE I cannot post urls, so had to mangle it
If you are not a geek. First thing first. Disclosure: I work for google (although not android core). With that out of the way, I've handled fair number of devices and feel comfortable sharing my experiences.
Tablets: I own lg gpad 8.3 proper (v500, not the gpe). It feels cheaply made - bill of materials... is not nice. Software is even worse: jerky, slow, and has a ton of crap(ware) that neither I nor you will ever need, yet there is no way to remove it. Sigh. gpad spec-sheet looks ok but as OEM LG managed to drive that device into ground. I hang around here mostly to see if it possible to run gpe software on it, but no dice so far, and even if they manage to do it - the update story is less than clear. I also own n7v2.
Samsung: do not touch(wiz). I do not own latest galaxy tab, but had previous models - forced myself to use it for about 2 weeks and gave it away to extended family. Could not stand touchwiz, slow, crapware - the usual complaints. I had Nexus 10 - nicely made device, but priced a bit too steep for my taste. On the phone front I owned nexus s, galaxy nexus, and galaxy s4 gpe from samsung. Passable experience but still not as smooth and fast as even nexus4, let alone nexus5. For the life of me I do not get why anyone would pay almost twice as much and have a worse experience than nexus5. General takeaway: samsung highest end products are fairly competent, but waaaay overpriced and perform oftentimes worse than competitors. Anything below highest end - do not bother.
N7v2 has the best BOM (bill of materials), touch latency and color reproduction. It is smooth, it is lean. The only real competitor to n7v2 out there [in my mind] is tegra note or tegra pad - whatever it is named now - it is EVGA made device and it gives n7 run for its money. The rest is... [to paraphrase coworker] suboptimal.
That said, if you absolutely must have 8" - go with gpad gpe. I generally do not recommend samsung products to friends and family (for full price). If you get it for third of the price - like I said, their highest end is competent. But I personally recommend GPe devices on play store - no extra crap, smooth-er experience than OEM versions, but unless you have specific requirements - get a nexus. Also read up on tegra pad - it is a bit different device but worth mentioning.
Cheers, -e
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N7v2 is the thing. If you are a technical person, do yourself a favor and read http anandtech.com/show/7231/the-nexus-7-2013-review (not just the summary - soldier on through the whole thing, it is interesting read). - UPDATE I cannot post urls, so had to mangle it
If you are not a geek. First thing first. Disclosure: I work for google (although not android core). With that out of the way, I've handled fair number of devices and feel comfortable sharing my experiences.
Tablets: I own lg gpad 8.3 proper (v500, not the gpe). It feels cheaply made - bill of materials... is not nice. Software is even worse: jerky, slow, and has a ton of crap(ware) that neither I nor you will ever need, yet there is no way to remove it. Sigh. gpad spec-sheet looks ok but as OEM LG managed to drive that device into ground. I hang around here mostly to see if it possible to run gpe software on it, but no dice so far, and even if they manage to do it - the update story is less than clear. I also own n7v2.
Samsung: do not touch(wiz). I do not own latest galaxy tab, but had previous models - forced myself to use it for about 2 weeks and gave it away to extended family. Could not stand touchwiz, slow, crapware - the usual complaints. I had Nexus 10 - nicely made device, but priced a bit too steep for my taste. On the phone front I owned nexus s, galaxy nexus, and galaxy s4 gpe from samsung. Passable experience but still not as smooth and fast as even nexus4, let alone nexus5. For the life of me I do not get why anyone would pay almost twice as much and have a worse experience than nexus5. General takeaway: samsung highest end products are fairly competent, but waaaay overpriced and perform oftentimes worse than competitors. Anything below highest end - do not bother.
N7v2 has the best BOM (bill of materials), touch latency and color reproduction. It is smooth, it is lean. The only real competitor to n7v2 out there [in my mind] is tegra note or tegra pad - whatever it is named now - it is EVGA made device and it gives n7 run for its money. The rest is... [to paraphrase coworker] suboptimal.
That said, if you absolutely must have 8" - go with gpad gpe. I generally do not recommend samsung products to friends and family (for full price). If you get it for third of the price - like I said, their highest end is competent. But I personally recommend GPe devices on play store - no extra crap, smooth-er experience than OEM versions, but unless you have specific requirements - get a nexus. Also read up on tegra pad - it is a bit different device but worth mentioning.
Cheers, -e
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Except no Micro SD, no IR Blaster on the N7. I owned both the 2012 and the latest iteration as well. Without a doubt the best 7" tablet out. Samsung's 7" models have always been sub par (except the Tab 7.0+ which was actually pretty decent for when it was out).
The thing is, comparing an 8" and a 7" tablet is kind of pointless. They are different size brackets. It's like comparing a compact car to a mid sized sedan. The extra inch of real estate (and narrow bezels on the Samsung and LG 8" tablets) makes for quite a difference in usage.
The G Pad feels cheaply made? I thought you owned one... The aluminum back makes it the most premium Android tablet to date and is very similar in quality to the IPad Mini. The Nexus 7 does not even come close in build quality. Seeing as the G Pad is selling for $250 currently, it is definitely a better deal if you were to compare them directly.
Screen, I have to say I agree with you there. The LG picture is excellent, great color saturation but it's far too dim for my taste while the N7v2 is incredibly bright.
Also software on the LG, most of the junk can be disabled or uninstalled outright. I was quite surprised/pleased by how much I could turn off. I currently have around 1.15 GB of free RAM at any given time.
Going back to my prior comment about size though. Once you go to an 8" tablet, personally I could never go back to a 7". It's just too small for web browsing. Reading and video playback is fine but the extra real estate makes a big difference elsewhere.
There is a reason Apple has sold millions of 7.9" Mini's and that every other manufacturer has jumped on the 8" form factor- it is the sweet spot for tablets. There is an 8" Nexus pending as well.
Seriously, what the hell? Cheaply made feel? Your out of your mind. The Gpad' body is premium buddy. The 600 processor is fast as hell. The ips display is beautiful. The reason you don't see that many roms is because stock and xposed is down right amazing.
Hi everyone ,
I thought of getting the s7 edge but the 10 was pretty impressive. Which should I go for ? I flash Roms a lot and will definitely root it. I will be getting it unlocked for sure.
I had the HTC ONE M8. My contract was up this year. I went for the S7 EDGE and aside from missing the IR blaster, I don't regret it. However the lack of decent tempered glass screen protectors for the S7E is irritating.
That said, if the Edge model did not exist and the choice was between regular S7 and HTC 10, I would have stuck with HTC. The Edge uniqueness pipped it for me. I actually use the Edge UI quite a bit.
FYI some more background, I left Samsung years ago and switched to HTC for two reasons 1) fed up with TouchWiz and bloat ware 2) plastic materials. Something I felt HTC were addressing with their Sense and metal materials. I've gone full circle again. TouchWiz is less bloated now and actually enjoyable to use. And the hardware feels premium.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens
HTC 10:
+Brighter screen in manual brightness
+High fidelity speakers and headphone jack, DAC/amps. High-res audio recording
+Lighter OS
+Better looking display whites
+Type C USB, v3.1
+Unlocked bootloader
+Better front and rear camera hardware (bigger pixels, OIS on front - software needs more polishing)
+$599 after discount code
-eMMC storage speeds
-Smaller display
-Only splash resilient
-Small battery for thickness
-No sunlight brightness boost mode
-LCD contrast (very good, but still nowhere near OLED)
If the 10 were OLED and 5.5", it would have been the perfect phone...
I love HTC, but now, i would pick the S7 edge.
Htc 10 is a good device. The S7Edge is a great device. You pretty much get the best components on the market. Htc 10 asks way too high of a price for what it offers, using emmc storage, bad optics for the camera, OIS not so good either, display is not that good unless you get a specific brand (basically a lottery), it gets too hot too fast ( search htc 10 forums)
The only reason you might wanna consider the 10 is maybe audio, not that its that much better than the S7Edge exynos. Samsung pretty much created the best device money can get to date.
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Htc 10 is a good device. The S7Edge is a great device. You pretty much get the best components on the market. Htc 10 asks way too high of a price for what it offers, using emmc storage, bad optics for the camera, OIS not so good either, display is not that good unless you get a specific brand (basically a lottery), it gets too hot too fast ( search htc 10 forums)
The only reason you might wanna consider the 10 is maybe audio, not that its that much better than the S7Edge exynos. Samsung pretty much created the best device money can get to date.
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You're down talking the phone way more than it deserves. Have you even used it yet to back up those claims?
The latest eMMC is not THAT much worse than UFS. Most people are likely to not even notice a difference because once things are loaded in the RAM, it's moot.
How does it have bad optics? LOL. It uses the same sensor as the 6P which BEATS the S7E in plenty of low light tests due to superior HDR processing. The HTC with a bigger aperture AND OIS is a recipe for perfection if HTC can get the camera software right, which so far has gotten better, but is not where it needs to be. And how is the OIS bad?
I haven't seen much complaining about the panels. Apparently the more rare Sharp panels don't have an issue in landscape with polarized sunglasses and may have less visible tinting at extreme angles. But from what I saw in a YouTube video, after 2 weeks, the pink tint was practically gone at extreme angles hinting to it being an adhesive issue in the LCD which will clear up after a little bit of use.
Don't know anything about the heat actually being an issue. Apparently people feel the heat easily - it is an aluminum phone, so maybe it's just better at dissipating it, but I would bet that the S7E is less prone to thermal throttling with its vapor heat pipe. Not an issue for me because I never game on my phone.
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You're down talking the phone way more than it deserves. Have you even used it yet to back up those claims?
The latest eMMC is not THAT much worse than UFS. Most people are likely to not even notice a difference because once things are loaded in the RAM, it's moot.
How does it have bad optics? LOL. It uses the same sensor as the 6P which BEATS the S7E in plenty of low light tests due to superior HDR processing. The HTC with a bigger aperture AND OIS is a recipe for perfection if HTC can get the camera software right, which so far has gotten better, but is not where it needs to be. And how is the OIS bad?
I haven't seen much complaining about the panels. Apparently the more rare Sharp panels don't have an issue in landscape with polarized sunglasses and may have less visible tinting at extreme angles. But from what I saw in a YouTube video, after 2 weeks, the pink tint was practically gone at extreme angles hinting to it being an adhesive issue in the LCD which will clear up after a little bit of use.
Don't know anything about the heat actually being an issue. Apparently people feel the heat easily - it is an aluminum phone, so maybe it's just better at dissipating it, but I would bet that the S7E is less prone to thermal throttling with its vapor heat pipe. Not an issue for me because I never game on my phone.
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Just the fact that you said that HTC has bigger aperture means you know s***t about cameras, The smaller the number the wider the aperture, 1.7 is better than 1.8. here is a comparison :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFww3-Ne3Fk
When i said optics i meant the lenses, not the sensor, but considering how you dont know which aperture size is better, there is no reason to waste my time on photography 101.
The S7 is the fastest device of the year (exynos), in day to day usage & in heavy tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvytFwkI8BA
As i said, the 10 is a good device, but not a great one, for the price they are asking for it, they are delivering the basic things, which every device this year does very well, and arguably the S7 excels not only at the basics, but goes beyond that with extras, (Wireless charging, heat pipe, IP68, etc).
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Just the fact that you said that HTC has bigger aperture means you know s***t about cameras, The smaller the number the wider the aperture, 1.7 is better than 1.8. here is a comparison :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFww3-Ne3Fk
When i said optics i meant the lenses, not the sensor, but considering how you dont know which aperture size is better, there is no reason to waste my time on photography 101.
The S7 is the fastest device of the year (exynos), in day to day usage & in heavy tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvytFwkI8BA
As i said, the 10 is a good device, but not a great one, for the price they are asking for it, they are delivering the basic things, which every device this year does very well, and arguably the S7 excels not only at the basics, but goes beyond that with extras, (Wireless charging, heat pipe, IP68, etc).
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My comment of having a bigger aperture was directed towards it being larger than the 6P, not the S7E. I am well aware that the S7E has a larger aperture, but the 10 has larger pixels. I'm not sure which would equate to taking in more light, but considering the 6P has been capable of producing better shots than the S7E in many scenarios at night, the 10 should be even more capable with its larger aperture (than the 6P).
Exynos is not available here in the US unless you get the international version, which is not worth it considering the issues that may arise trying to use it on US carriers based on my experience with an international Note5 on T-Mobile USA's network. If OP is outside of the US, then that is cetainly something to consider.
The S7 has its additional features, as does the 10. The heat pipe is only relevant if you heavily use the device. IP68 is cool for sure, but I don't know how well I'm warming up to the idea of getting the phone wet regularly. Wireless charging is pointless because it is a lot slower than wired, and you can't really use the phone easily when it's charging like that. The 10 has FAR superior audio (at least vs the SD 820 variant), has a larger aperture for the front camera along with OIS, more refined speaker audio, higher manual brightness, USB Type C v3.1, is less bloated, and - this is a big one for me - doesn't require you to hit a home button for fingerprint unlock OR to go home. I don't know why, but I hate pushing down on a button, especially to unlock the device.
I'm not arguing that the S7 isn't a great device. That's why I have ordered them both to see which suits me best. I'm just saying that calling the 10 only a "good" phone is a bit unwarranted at this point. HTC put a lot of effort in the right places and left it unlocked from the start, and has pushed updates daily since it launched. Samsung hasn't really innovated much like they could have. Last year's Note5 was a huge showcase of that... nothing new other than the updated design.
HTC 10 I liked best the camera.
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My comment of having a bigger aperture was directed towards it being larger than the 6P, not the S7E. I am well aware that the S7E has a larger aperture, but the 10 has larger pixels. I'm not sure which would equate to taking in more light, but considering the 6P has been capable of producing better shots than the S7E in many scenarios at night, the 10 should be even more capable with its larger aperture (than the 6P).
Exynos is not available here in the US unless you get the international version, which is not worth it considering the issues that may arise trying to use it on US carriers based on my experience with an international Note5 on T-Mobile USA's network. If OP is outside of the US, then that is cetainly something to consider.
The S7 has its additional features, as does the 10. The heat pipe is only relevant if you heavily use the device. IP68 is cool for sure, but I don't know how well I'm warming up to the idea of getting the phone wet regularly. Wireless charging is pointless because it is a lot slower than wired, and you can't really use the phone easily when it's charging like that. The 10 has FAR superior audio (at least vs the SD 820 variant), has a larger aperture for the front camera along with OIS, more refined speaker audio, higher manual brightness, USB Type C v3.1, is less bloated, and - this is a big one for me - doesn't require you to hit a home button for fingerprint unlock OR to go home. I don't know why, but I hate pushing down on a button, especially to unlock the device.
I'm not arguing that the S7 isn't a great device. That's why I have ordered them both to see which suits me best. I'm just saying that calling the 10 only a "good" phone is a bit unwarranted at this point. HTC put a lot of effort in the right places and left it unlocked from the start, and has pushed updates daily since it launched. Samsung hasn't really innovated much like they could have. Last year's Note5 was a huge showcase of that... nothing new other than the updated design.
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I dont know whats so amazing about higher manual brightness being higher, i keep mine on auto, and outdoors i can see the screen no problem, the 10 has way worst outdoor visibility.
Phones are getting stagnant. The S7Edge is the farthest a device can get as a whole package. Next year is where innovation should be made. Any device that you buy this year will have no problem bolding up beyond 2 yrs. I feel like sammy did the right thing with the s7, its improved in every possible aspect. As i said, the htc 10 is a good device compared to this year's flagships, but its the a great upgrade from the M9 and M8.
The htc 10 would be a great phone if priced well. 500$ is the best price for it. It doesnt offer much from the 6p, so it should be priced against it.
I have one more T-Mobile jump until it resets in June. Then I get 3 more upgrades for the year. I'm going to look at the HTC 10 but I don't know if I'll take the leap. Battery life is most important to me and I don't think the 10 will come close to the 8 hours SOT I'm getting with my S7E.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens
HTC 10:
+Brighter screen in manual brightness
+High fidelity speakers and headphone jack, DAC/amps. High-res audio recording
+Lighter OS
+Better looking display whites
+Type C USB, v3.1
+Unlocked bootloader
+Better front and rear camera hardware (bigger pixels, OIS on front - software needs more polishing)
+$599 after discount code
-eMMC storage speeds
-Smaller display
-Only splash resilient
-Small battery for thickness
-No sunlight brightness boost mode
-LCD contrast (very good, but still nowhere near OLED)
If the 10 were OLED and 5.5", it would have been the perfect phone...
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Thanks a lot for the comparison. It's really helpful. I'll just get the S7 and the 10 at a go. I'll return either one. BTW I live outside the States.
And thanks, everyone for your thoughts.
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Are you getting the international S7? Because AFAIK, The US models don't support unlocking/root... so that's a big negative. Also, I never had a good experience using an international Note 5 on T-Mobile USA's network (if you're US based).
Each phone has pro's and cons. The S7 is certainly more polished right now, but HTC has been pushing updates daily to fix issues. Performance should ideally be faster on the HTC just because it is less bloated. I really appreciate HTC embracing stock Android as much as possible. I'll give you a quick rundown of my opinion on the devices... I'm having such a hard time deciding, I actually just ordered both and plan on using them back and forth to hopefully decide which I will use until the next Nexus or Note 6.
S7E:
+Insanely fast autofocus... camera is reliable right now. Better manual controls
+Great sunlight brightness
+Waterproof
+OLED screen
+Unique design
+Larger screen
+Huge battery
+Better slow motion video, and 60 FPS video
+Wireless charging
+UFS storage speeds
-micro-USB, v2.0
-TouchWiz
-No root capability for US models yet?
-Fingerprint reader is slower and must press power button
-Curved edges can distort colors (turn blue/green) on white browsing screens.
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100% incorrect. When the phone is in sleep you simply need to press the home button down with a finger/thumb that's been setup and the phone will unlock. The physical pressing of the home button wakes the device then the fingerprint is immediately read. You don't even need to release the button. The power button on the side at no point needs to be touched.
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100% incorrect. When the phone is in sleep you simply need to press the home button down with a finger/thumb that's been setup and the phone will unlock. The physical pressing of the home button wakes the device then the fingerprint is immediately read. You don't even need to release the button. The power button on the side at no point needs to be touched.
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Sorry I used the wrong wording. I know you don't have to hit the power button - what I implied was you must hit the home button, physically push it down to wake the device for your fingerprint to be read. If Samsung would have found a way to avoid that requirement, the fingerprint sensor would be a lot more appreciable to me. I dislike the physical home button all together truthfully. I strongly prefer the 10's home button.
I've been using the S7E for a few days now. The 10 has been sitting at home, and will likely be getting returned. It's a good phone in a lot of ways. Maybe even a great phone. But every other phone out there is the best at something. The 10 is best at almost nothing, but good/great at everything. Problem is, most of those phones that are the best at something are also good/great at everything else too.
My biggest complaint with the 10 is the display. It just sucks compared to OLED. It has crazy motion blur, low brightness below 75%, a pink tint to the entire screen even viewed straight on, and has lesser contrast (but very good contrast for LCD). That combined with the display being SMALL, makes it a loss for me. I just don't want to use it as much as I do the S7E or the 6P.
I was really excited about the audio. I was really excited about the camera. I was really excited about the build. It gets all of those things right. But so do the other two phones I mentioned for the most part (headphone audio isn't that good on the S7E, but it's not bad enough to make me not want to use it). With a 5.5" OLED display, the 10 would've been phone of the year in my book, no questions asked.
So who all's planning to buy the OnePlus 5? What do you think of the recent leaks and rumors?
If it has 5.5" - 6" FHD display with a bezeless design without 2.5D glass, a dezent battery (3600mAh+) and headphone jack i will buy it.
Hirs_E_Fruit said:
If it has 5.5" - 6" FHD display with a bezeless design without 2.5D glass, a dezent battery (3600mAh+) and headphone jack i will buy it.
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What he said!!! 100%
Hola
I am worried about the rumours talking about this version being among the thinnest phones on the market. If this is true then based on recent trends it usually means a smaller battery. This will certainly be a deal breaker for me assuming this is true...
Let's see what they come up with.
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I'm buying it for sure
Depends if it has a 1440P screen. I don't want them to go 1080P pentile again. I have a 3T I just got so I'm not in a big hurry. The snapdragon 835 isn't a huge increase in speed over the snapdragon 821.
Oh so very close to buying it. Depends slightly on specs, and more if the Bank of Wife™ will finance it for Fathers day
I'd buy it if they have astounding results with it. The camera leaks sound great, larger battery 3600+ should be ok (i have confidence in them increasing the battery because they stuffed 400mAh into the same size chassis for the 3t i think they can do more), 1080p AMOLED screen, Snap 835 or 850, alert slider again, awesome fingerprint scanner like the 3t even the same one would be perfect no complaints there, good speaker or speakers dont care where they are as long as they arent on the back, stronger vibraton motor AND that headphone jack better stay put. If it doesnt i wont mind, i use my bluetooth headphones more anyways. If its under 500 or at 500 ill buy it.
BoboBrazil said:
Depends if it has a 1440P screen. I don't want them to go 1080P pentile again. I have a 3T I just got so I'm not in a big hurry. The snapdragon 835 isn't a huge increase in speed over the snapdragon 821.
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Why do you want a 1440p Screen?
Waiting to see if they add a better DAC/AMP combo the Axon 7 Audio was no joke for it's price if OP can improve it for the OP5 I'll pick it up
I'm considering it. I'll have to take a look at the final product and if it's killer I'll go for it. It'd have to really be an upgrade from the OnePlus 3. If the differences are not that big then it won't be worth the buy.
Can't wait to get my hands on this bebe!! gonna be sweet.
I came to oneplus from the Note 7 and I'm likely to get the Note 8 when it comes out. I"m keeping my eye on this one as runner up in case the international Note 8 cant be rooted.
Will buy if,
a - Good battery life
b - Non rattling vibrating motor
c - better camera
d - Improvements in the UI / features
e - headphone jack
f - IP68 rating
I like 2.5D glass, i like the leaked design, in black, hope for 1440p display if it's amoled.. and good battery. I'm in.
flagship killer price, not flagship price, and im in..
Can't wait til it's released. Hopefully the camera will be as good as they say it is.
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Why do you want a 1440p Screen?
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because VR
Agree with everyone here! I don't mind if the phone comes with an FHD screen because I really don't see any difference between FHD and QHD. As long as they keep it affordable, there will definitely be a purchase from me.
I'm in
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Owning a Nexus 6P right now.
And I am considering the S8, Xperia XZ, Pixel Xl and Op5.
I have used a Op2 before and loved it, hope this is even better.
Any news about VR?
I've used daydream with booth normal Pixel an the higher resolution XL and can live with just HD.
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Any news about VR?
I've used daydream with booth normal Pixel an the higher resolution XL and can live with just HD.
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All I hear is that OP5 won't have daydream just because the screen is IPS-LCD, not AMOLED like Pixel or Pixel XL. Daydream only enable by Google when the phone use 2K AMOLED screen. IPS-LCD won't get any even it has the same resolution.
So, probably OP5 won't feature any Daydream.
No amoled? Are you sure? Are they going to sell a much more expensive handset with no amoled? That would be a huge mistake! I'm really willing to buy one, but with no amoled I won't do it!
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... because the screen is IPS-LCD, not AMOLED ...
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That's the first time I've read any source claim that the screen wouldn't be AMOLED, so what's your source? Whether the phone has QHD seems to be in grave doubt though. Next week and all will be revealed.
mamatgiler94 said:
All I hear is that OP5 won't have daydream just because the screen is IPS-LCD, not AMOLED like Pixel or Pixel XL. Daydream only enable by Google when the phone use 2K AMOLED screen. IPS-LCD won't get any even it has the same resolution.
So, probably OP5 won't feature any Daydream.
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The OP5 will definitely have an AMOLED, dont worry
It will be an amoled, it might just be 1080p tho...
It will most probably have the same screen as Oppo R11 which is a 5.5" Full HD AMOLED. I'm so very disappointed. This OP3 screen is horrible in VR -- it's slow, the pixels are huge, there's the glow that shouldn't be there...
It has 401 pixels per inch, which a bit lower than HTC Vive & Oculus Rift at 455.63 PPI which both felt way too pixelated for me when I tried them. I returned the Vive for that reason, VR content was not enjoyable at all. Samsung Gear VR with the S8 is more acceptable and with that I can see the stuff on screen better and I don't have to go very close to the objects like with Vive & Rift & OP3. The new Pixels should have 2K+ screens AND be faster to meet the Daydream specs, so I'll personally just wait for those and go test when they come out...
These HMD's for Windows Mixed Reality have screens that have much more usable PPI at 704.66: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/acer-hp-windows-mixed-reality-dev-kits,34389.html
1440x1440 resolution, 2.89" size, 90 hz refresh rate..they're most probably LCD, though, not AMOLED, so it remains to be seen how good they are for VR/AR/MR.
TL;DR: If the OP5 had a 2K screen it would have 33% better pixel density which would vastly improve VR usage over 1080p. Better to wait for the new Pixels if you're like me and would love to use mobile VR
Hey guys, Does anyone know about the Daydream support for OP 5? Before it was just speculations, now the phone has launched does anyone have any update regarding this topic? I have searched the net but no one has mentioned anything about VR. Infact no one has covered this point in their review etc.
Thanks!
sunnyhj said:
Hey guys, Does anyone know about the Daydream support for OP 5? Before it was just speculations, now the phone has launched does anyone have any update regarding this topic? I have searched the net but no one has mentioned anything about VR. Infact no one has covered this point in their review etc.
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No one covered because there is no official support. Officially the OP5 is not compatible with Daydream, and OP does not sound interested. It is unknown (at least to me) if this phone covers one of the requirements: a surface temperature sensor. Since the main purpose of the OP line is to provide best processor/memory for less price, is likely that this sensor is absent.
That being said, there is a thread about how to force a rooted OP3T to support Daydream. Should be the same with OP5.