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Galaxy S5 to S7 (SM-G930F): An Upgrade or Really... Downgrade?

So I got myself a Galaxy S7 (SM-G930F) to replace my almost 2 year old Galaxy S5. After a few days of usage, here is what I think.
What I like on S7 compared to S5:
- much more responsive interface and overall experience, UI feels silk-smooth, the phone is properly fast
- all glassy (front and back) and beautiful, feels expensive (judging from posts on this forum, a very important feature for some users ;])
But that's about all to like. And this is what I dislike about it:
- While glass back of S7 looks very nice, it is much more slippery than plastic back of Galaxy S5. It is so slippery, that sometimes it is scary just to take it out of the pocket. So while I never needed a case with my S5, I may need it with S7
- No IR blaster. No idea why Samsung ditched such useful feature (LG G5 has it). It is very small and exists in waterproof S5, so space and waterproof-ness should not be a problem. And it is really useful, because you can skip renting remotes for TV and airco units in the hotels, if you already have IR blaster on your phone. So, Samsung, why to remove a useful feature which is also fun and helps to save money?
- No removable battery. This is not a very big issue for me, since I rarely needed extra battery on my S5, but some people (especially those traveling) are relying on it. Definitely nice to have in a phone. However, it may be that having non-removable battery helped to achieve IP68 dust/water-proof rating compared to IP67 on S5.
- Only 32 GB version at launch. Keeping in mind that Samsung gives away Samsung Gear VR virtual reality headset with all S7 pre-orders (and VR demos/games take lots of space), 32GB suddenly does not seem quite a lot.
- Finally (and this annoys me most, since I am living in a place where winter is something that happens every year), for some unfathomable reason Samsung removed "Touch Sensivity" option from the ROM, which allows to operate the phone with the gloves on. This is just a software feature (since the touchscreens are crazy sensitive these days anyway) and it doesn't cost anything for Samsung to keep it in the phone. Nevertheless, on a new Galaxy S7 it is nowhere to be found. Samsung, are you listening - what the hell??? Now we can only hope someone (maybe even from XDA developers) will add this feature back as a standalone program/xposed framework module/etc.
There is one more problem - there is still no root for SM-G930F, at least not yet, but hopefully Chainfire will soon get his hands on it. So overall, even if the phone is faster and smoother, compared to Galaxy S5, it feels more like downgrade than the upgrade...
Best,
satanxda

One of the primary reasons as for why Samsung went for the complete glass redesign on the S6 (and later the S7) were the lackluster sales of the S5 as compared to the S4, the best selling android phone of all time. According to a list on wikipedia the S5 sold approximately 11 million units, while it's predecessor landed at an impressive 80 million. This probably wasn't the only reason for the design change though, as Samsung have been going after Apple's marketshare aggresively in the past two releases.
The removable battery and IR blaster were most likely removed because there were too few people using them.
I agree completely on the last two points though. It's odd if they removed the touch sensitivity thing, but there might be a technical reason behind it.

i just upgraded from the s5 to the s7 as well. I agree the back s5 felt a lot better in hands. I hate using a case, it defeats the purpose of making the phone so thin. I also didnt realize that there is no IR blaster until i read your post. whats move fun than getting drunk in bar and changing the tv channels or turning up or down the music

So the better camera, bigger battery, higher res screen, no ugly waterproof flaps you don't like? You're right it really is a downgrade, but only in your eyes.

Lol

Last year "No expandable storage! Screw you Samsung"
gives expandable storage
This year "Only 32GB's? Screw you Samsung!"
samsung cry cry

peachpuff said:
So the better camera, bigger battery, higher res screen, no ugly waterproof flaps you don't like? You're right it really is a downgrade, but only in your eyes.
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Don't get it wrong - this post is not about the inevitable progress in CPU, screen and camera areas. It is about Samsung killing useful features for no reason.
P. S. You loose 4 Megapixels for camera as well with S7, so it may not be a camera upgrade in all ways ;] And the bigger battery only compensates for more pixels on the screen.

satanxda said:
Don't get it wrong - this post is not about the inevitable progress in CPU, screen and camera areas. It is about Samsung killing useful features for no reason.
P. S. You loose 4 Megapixels for camera as well with S7, so it may not be a camera upgrade in all ways ;] And the bigger battery only compensates for more pixels on the screen.
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Uhh no. Megapixels do not make a quality camera. That's like saying your S5 would be an "upgrade" over some DSLRs. The reason some of the features were removed is just that they aren't practical. Sure, the IR blaster is cool, but I played with it once and never used it again. I'd imagine that's how 95% of the people who buy the phone are.
32gb internal memory is not a problem when you have 200gb expandable storage.
Removable battery is a non issue when you have both QC2.0 wired charging and fast wireless charging. If you're that concerned, buy a $20 power bank and charge your phone 3+ times on a single charge.

I went from an S5 to the S7 too. Expandable storage is a must. Hands down it's an upgrade. Yeah, I was bummed there was no IR blaster but then after setting it up on my S4 and S5 later I found I never used it. Wireless charging is built in and on the S5 you had to add it on and if you wanted a case after going wireless charging on the S5 you were limited. Wife heard the S7 didn't have that flap on the USB port and immediately said order me one. Granted root is not available yet but how soon after the S5 came out did it get root? Themes built in........ I can go on and on and on.

Things I don't like compared to my S4:
No removable battery - this I think I can live with without much angst, although I'd prefer removable
Glass back - slippery and fragile, might force me to use a case, which adds bulk that I do not like and have never needed with any phone. I really don't care at all what it looks like
Size and weight - about same width and thickness, but it's unnecessarily tall, and it's substantially heavier, which is a negative and will be an even bigger negative if I have to use a case
Otherwise, it's a pretty sizable upgrade in every other way. 32GB - hopefully there will be a 64GB or 128GB variant that will fully work on T-Mobile (WiFi calling is still an important feature to me), although it is a step up from the 16GB that I'm used to, and I can plunk in my 128GB SD.
I'm going to wait for prices to drop a bit, for Samsung to push out an update or two, and see how root/ROMs shake out.

satanxda said:
Don't get it wrong - this post is not about the inevitable progress in CPU, screen and camera areas. It is about Samsung killing useful features for no reason.
P. S. You loose 4 Megapixels for camera as well with S7, so it may not be a camera upgrade in all ways ;] And the bigger battery only compensates for more pixels on the screen.
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On paper, the Galaxy S7 camera has lower specs: 12 MP on the back (compared with the S6 16 MP) and 5 MP on the front. While the new camera may produce a lower number of pixels, it makes up for this with dual-pixel technology; a feature that promises an increase in image clarity despite the lower pixel numbers.
The S7's camera focuses up to four times faster than the S6's. The camera's aperture is also lower, at f / 1.7, which means better low-light performance. Together, these enhancements mean that the Galaxy S7 focuses up to four times faster in low-light conditions and twice as fast in daylight.

TonyStark said:
On paper, the Galaxy S7 camera has lower specs: 12 MP on the back (compared with the S6 16 MP) and 5 MP on the front. While the new camera may produce a lower number of pixels, it makes up for this with dual-pixel technology; a feature that promises an increase in image clarity despite the lower pixel numbers.
The S7's camera focuses up to four times faster than the S6's. The camera's aperture is also lower, at f / 1.7, which means better low-light performance. Together, these enhancements mean that the Galaxy S7 focuses up to four times faster in low-light conditions and twice as fast in daylight.
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Well, you said it - faster focus in exchange for a loss of 4 Megapixels. Less megapixels is not necessary a bad thing if the pixels are bigger (this way you get less noise), but it is still 4 Megapixels less ;] (which matters since there is no optical zoom in the phone, so zooming digitally means cropping your photo)

satanxda said:
Samsung removed "Touch Sensivity" option from the ROM, which allows to operate the phone with the gloves on. This is just a software feature (since the touchscreens are crazy sensitive these days anyway) and it doesn't cost anything for Samsung to keep it in the phone. Nevertheless, on a new Galaxy S7 it is nowhere to be found. Samsung, are you listening - what the hell???
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Thank you for sharing this deal breaking piece of information, looks like I'm stuck with my S5. It's frustrating that Samsung never really "gets it". They can't compete with Apple on design aesthetics, they can't compete with Nexus on Android integration. We buy Samsung phones because they have features that other manufacturers overlook. I love my S5 because it's better than my S2. I would love the S7 if it was better than the S5, but it's not. Removing valuable features keeps people from upgrading. If you're correct about this being a software feature, there is hope, but I'm guessing it's hardware.
32 GB Memory with no 64 GB Option = Unforgivable
Loss Of IR Blaster = Not a deal breaker for me, but I understand why this will piss a lot of people off.
Loss Of FM Radio = Could care less.
Loss Of Removable battery = Get over it, fast charging and portable chargers are perfectly acceptable solutions for me.
No Root = I used to care about this, but it bothers me less and less with each new version of Android. I just don't have the time to invest in the complications of rooting anymore. Being on Verizon just makes this worse.
No USB 3 = Bummer, doesn't make sense to remove it.
I'm headed to the Verizon store with my motorcycle gloves to see what happens. If there's a complete loss of touchscreen functionality, I'll probably just keep going with my S5.

i bought the same phone today and it shows signal without putting the sim on.//
how to remove this??

LKS007 said:
i bought the same phone today and it shows signal without putting the sim on.//
how to remove this??
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I don't think you can remove it - it's for emergency calls

The S7 camera kicks butt, that's coming from someone who use the Canon 5D3 regularly with 35L II, 85L II, 100L 2.8 IS macro, and 70-200L 2.8 IS II lens. I would gladly take lower aperture and give up few megapixel, hell...if S7 came with f/1.4 lens I wouldn't even mind going down to 6~8MP. You shouldn't use your phone to make poster or big prints to hang on your wall so anything more than 8MP on a phone camera is just gimmicky. LOL

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The S7 camera kicks butt, that's coming from someone who use the Canon 5D3 regularly with 35L II, 85L II, 100L 2.8 IS macro, and 70-200L 2.8 IS II lens. I would gladly take lower aperture and give up few megapixel, hell...if S7 came with f/1.4 lens I wouldn't even mind going down to 6~8MP. You shouldn't use your phone to make poster or big prints to hang on your wall so anything more than 8MP on a phone camera is just gimmicky. LOL
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I agree. I have my self a Canon 6D with high end lenses. The S7 photo quality is really impressive for such a small piece of hardware. Even with less Mpx, the sharpness is way better than with the S6, and the low light photos are impressives. And you can get the Raw. Photographers that opened the RAW files in lightroom are generally impressed by the overall quality of this phone. Hell, I'm finally happy to be able not to bring my DSLR for every situation I might take a photo.
I compared my old S4, my wife S6, and my workplace iphone 6S, believe me, the S7 is the only one that can actually be compared to compact camera

So the s7 camera is a beast? Im an android fan and i admit that in the past apple had the best mobile cameras. The note 3 and 4 had great cameras as well. I think android surpassed apple in the mobile camera area.

I upgraded from S5 also and only feature i really miss is IR.

Ok so the only feature I miss is an unlocked bootloader. I miss my root

Not impressed by the Galaxy S6 Edge

Hello,
I just want to write a small review of the phone coming from the Galaxy S5 Plus (G901F).
Design: Just beautiful, miles ahead of the plastic used on the S5. The display bezels are much thiner than on the S5. I have the 64GB version so no SD Card slot is not necessarily a drawback. Non removable battery is not a drawback right now for my usage but if I keep it long enough (which I doubt, considering my track record), it will. IP certification is nice to have on the S5, but I usually keep my electronic devices away from water, so not a big loss here.
Display: The higher resolution makes no difference for me. The colours seem to be less saturated or less punchy. The "infinite" display effect is nice but the reflections on it can be disturbing while watching a video/movie, scrolling horizontally is beautiful though.
Battery: Just worse than on the S5 Plus. Not terrible, but just a small downgrade. The standby time is very good though, at least on MM. Both charge blazing fast.
Performance: Strangely, I feel the UI was a little more responsive on the S5 Plus. Otherwise no problems, I dont play games on the phone, nor do any high demanding tasks. I find the camera app particularly fast to launch. Opening the Task Manager is faster now, on the S5 it was painfully slow.
Camera: I was expecting more from the camera to be honest. Both the S5 Plus and S6 Edge share the same sensor, but I thought the OIS and the brighter lens would make a bigger difference. Not necessarily the case here, I must say. Low light shots are nothing to write home about, they are still pretty unusable, the Nexus 5X seems to do a much better job here I feel. The speed of low light shots has definitely improved, the S5 would always take a second or two to take a low light shot (not considering the focusing), on the S6 they are instantaneous.
The focusing speed feels a hair faster, great when there is enough light, not that great on dimmer lighting conditions. To be able to shoot raw and change the exposure time at will is a big plus though, leaves a lot of room to play. Stabilization is definitely improved.
Fingerprint Sensor: I was expecting a big jump coming from the S5, but I must say in my case, the fingerprint sensor found on the S5 was more effective! Maybe I am holding the phone wrong*, but I have to try so many times my fingerprint to be recognized, that I locked the phone several times on the first couple of days. I have even registered the same finger several times to check if that helps, it doesnt.
Overall: I think the feel in the hand and the looks are the biggest differences, otherwise I find both phones pretty comparable.

K,Bye

We have a thread for this already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/general/post-personal-s6e-reviews-t3066964

S7 vs G4

It's been troubling my mind for a while, so I'll say it here. S7 feels kind of disappointing. Why kind of? Because it's a great phone, but with a lot of nuisances.
I upgraded (or moved) from LG G4 after hardware failure and my first impressions are rather luke warm. Let's split it into categories:
Design:
This is where S7 absolutely smashes G4 to pieces. S7 is really beautiful (although M7 is still my favourite) and G4 is, well, it tries, but is still ugly.
Ergonomy:
I love the smaller display, but the phone itself doesnt seem as ergonomic as G4. The rear buttons on G4 are great. Once I got used to them, I really miss them even after a month with S7. Also typing while lying is uncomfortable, which is something I never experienced with G4, but I really like having hardware buttons on S7.
Performance:
This one is a little sketchy. Although the phone doesnt freeze and switches apps really fast, the whole experience is not that excellent. Sometimes the display doesnt seem as responsive as it should (especially compared to Apple's exagerrated sensitivity) and the Briefing thing is just garbage. It lags and stutters every time you swipe from home screen to Briefing. This is not acceptable on any flagship in 2016. HTC had similar thing called BlinkFeed and it never, and I really mean it, never lagged. The whole phone just seemed more responsive. Even compared to G4.
Other than that, this phone is really fast.
Camera:
The camera is a mixed bag as well. On one hand, you get the amazing autofocus and almost instant camera launch, but on the other hand you get only 12 MPx and aggressive software sharpening. Don't get me wrong, 12MPx is plenty enough unless you want to zoom and see the details, plus shots in low light seem not that great. It just somehow feel like the camera isn't even an upgrade over G4, especially in low light. Haven't tried RAW capture, though. The pictures are usually great, but the upgrade over G4 seems very minor if there's some. Of course, this is all subjective and if I had G4 with me now, the S7 would probably win 3 out of 4 shots.
Front camera is worse though. The camera cannot focus on the whole picture and the edges are usually blurry, despite having subjects that are in the same distance from the lens as the subject in focus. Plus G4 had 8MPx, while S7 has only 5. Yeah, I know, there are more important things than resolution, but G4's front camera just felt better.
Overall quality:
Samsung should really work on quality control. Even if we say that Note's faulty batteries are not directly Samsung's fault, design of S7 is. I had mine 2 days. I repeat, 2 days, when it got stuck at boot. What was the problem? Motherboard. On a brand new phone that's never been dropped. And I was not alone, according to people on the Internet. The thing that bothers me is, if you cannot compete with Apple's build quality and customer care, don't compete so close to their price level. Yeah, I know. Samsung offers much more in terms of hardware at lower price than Apple, but in real life, you scarcely know the difference and the quality is just not there yet.
Other thing is wifi signal strength. With my plastic G4, I had good enough wifi signal in my bed, with S7 I can't usually even see the network. Same goes for other parts of house. G4 could connect everywhere, while I can only wish for that in S7.
Okay, to be fair. I really like this phone, but I was disappointed that it didn't feel like an upgrade over older and much cheaper phone.
What are your opinions on this? Anyone feels similarly, or did I just expect too much?

rs70 said:
It's been troubling my mind for a while, so I'll say it here. S7 feels kind of disappointing. Why kind of? Because it's a great phone, but with a lot of nuisances.
I upgraded (or moved) from LG G4 after hardware failure and my first impressions are rather luke warm. Let's split it into categories:
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I did the same switch a couple of weeks ago and it feels like a whole different world! The G4 wasn’t bad, and I had no bootloop problems like many others but the speed of the S7 is amazing! I can’t detect a SINGLE stutter and the gaming speed is out of this world, like always buttery smooth. The Snapdragon 808 of the G4 was no speed monster!
The display is really the biggest reason for the switch as I see it. There is no way I am going back to lcd now that I know that black can really be BLACK with amoled and not gray as with lcd. The white has a better clean look to it also. Over all it’s just like candy for your eyes!
The camera on the G4 is on the other hand in some ways better than the S7, mostly in low light situations. But the speed of the S7 camera, both start and focus, beats the G4 by miles. I think that the daylight photos in most cases looks better with the S7 to.
Here in Sweden the performance of the S7 with mobile network both LTE and WCDMA is just as good as the G4 if not better. I have the exact same coverage with my WiFi connections as I had with the G4.
And it’s the Exynos version as I live in Europe.

gerhard_wa said:
I did the same switch a couple of weeks ago and it feels like a whole different world! The G4 wasn’t bad, and I had no bootloop problems like many others but the speed of the S7 is amazing! I can’t detect a SINGLE stutter and the gaming speed is out of this world, like always buttery smooth. The Snapdragon 808 of the G4 was no speed monster!
The display is really the biggest reason for the switch as I see it. There is no way I am going back to lcd now that I know that black can really be BLACK with amoled and not gray as with lcd. The white has a better clean look to it also. Over all it’s just like candy for your eyes!
The camera on the G4 is on the other hand in some ways better than the S7, mostly in low light situations. But the speed of the S7 camera, both start and focus, beats the G4 by miles. I think that the daylight photos in most cases looks better with the S7 to.
Here in Sweden the performance of the S7 with mobile network both LTE and WCDMA is just as good as the G4 if not better. I have the exact same coverage with my WiFi connections as I had with the G4.
And it’s the Exynos version as I live in Europe.
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The stutters and delay are most obvious on homescreen when you try to swipe to the Briefing screen. I'm not saying the phone is not fast, but it just doesn't feel as smooth as, let's say an iPhone. Plus the delay when you press home button is a little annoying (if you disable double press for camera launch, it reacts immediately, but it's not worth the convenience of quick camera launch). Yeah, that's true that 808 wasn't the fastest processor out there, but G4 was at least as smooth as S7, though not as fast.
But I can only agree with you on the display, especially the part with black color. The other thing I just noticed is the low resolution of icons, both on homescreen and in app drawer. The icons are a bit blurry, while the text underneath those and widgets are perfectly sharp. I'm still not sure if I like TouchWiz, or whatever it is called today.

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The stutters and delay are most obvious on homescreen when you try to swipe to the Briefing screen. I'm not saying the phone is not fast, but it just doesn't feel as smooth as, let's say an iPhone. Plus the delay when you press home button is a little annoying (if you disable double press for camera launch, it reacts immediately, but it's not worth the convenience of quick camera launch). Yeah, that's true that 808 wasn't the fastest processor out there, but G4 was at least as smooth as S7, though not as fast.
But I can only agree with you on the display, especially the part with black color. The other thing I just noticed is the low resolution of icons, both on homescreen and in app drawer. The icons are a bit blurry, while the text underneath those and widgets are perfectly sharp. I'm still not sure if I like TouchWiz, or whatever it is called today.
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Most people install a decent launcher like Nova Launcher to replace the TouchWiz homescreen
I have double press home to open camera, and get no delay pressing home once

I never use the homepages supplied by the phone makers that force feed me with crap! Thats the first thing I remove, as with the HTCs blinkfeed. The next step is to buy Nova launcher Prime or Google launcher.
Try it, you will like it!

I switched from the G4 Dual (the only one disponible here in my country), and I feel like I was using a toy phone with the G4, leather all scratched out, the screen had pink marks (reflections of already used things, it appeared without any reason) and the motherboard gone, well i had all the G series but the G4 was a big let down for me (especially the dual sim one) the S7 smashes the G4 all the way to valhalla.

I also had a g4, still in my family now. It is complete garbage compared to s7. I don't have any stutter on the s7, it's not perfect but much better than the LG. And this coming from a Samsung hater, I dislike almost all their products. The camera is overhyped on both, g4 has better details but the app is garbage, very slow and 7 out of 10 photos on auto mode are crap. The s7 camera lacks detail but it's faster and consistent. Not to talk about the display and battery life where the s7 is much much better.
I still miss the soft android buttons and the fast updates on my old nexus 5... the only reason I don't have a nexus now is the manufacturer -lg- with crap hardware and materials (not interested in the phablets)
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I never used G4 but i heard about poor battery so did not went for it. I bought Lg G5 but then sold it because camera was average though wide lense was awesome but pictures were lacking details as you zoom in....probably worse than what you see with s7. Lg G5 also had poor brightness ...I personally found nexus 6p/5X as best camera for still photography ..I kept changing phones from last few months from nexus 5x to lg g5 and then G5 to S7 and now waiting to try Huawei p9

The s7 is superior in every way, since it costs more and is newer than the G4. The only thing that the G4 beats the s7 in is the developer friendliness.

While I love and miss the LG G4 I had earlier this year, I now have a Galaxy S7 Active and from the moment I first took a picture with it I was disappointed in comparison to the G4. For me personally, from the first image I took with the G4 I knew there was something special about that camera (meaning the lens and sensor) in that smartphone and even now when I don't have one anymore that device produced the best quality image data I've yet worked with from such devices.
I know the GS7A has the same camera setup the GS7 has but even so, I just find that the G4 produced better images when all was said and done, even when using plain old Auto mode let alone really getting some fantastic images done with the Manual mode.
I like the GS7A, I really do, it has some great aspects to it and I'm happy to have a relatively "rugged" phone once again - I owned the GS4A when it first came out years ago and loved it till I sold it, was an amazing device for its time. But I'm practically itching to find someone to trade a G4 for this GS7A (and maybe a few bucks thrown in on the deal considering the GS7A sells for $794 at AT&T and I could get a G4 practically new for ~$200 these days).
I miss the G4, I really do, and I miss what I could do with that camera on the G4 even more - if I could get one of the new ones that (apparently) has finally resolved the bootloop issue (think they're marked as 603 or something meaning March 2016 build date) I might actually do a trade with someone.

opps. nevermind.

I also upgraded from my LG G4 after it died, to the S7. I've only had it for a short while but so far I think it's a worthy upgrade. The only things I'm missing are the FM radio and IR blaster, but I can live without these.
Maybe Samsung will bring back the FM radio like they did the microSD card slot.

Used a G4 for a year, the S7 since last spring.
I can say that I got equally good camera shots in all conditions as far as I can tell. I know what the reviews show, but picture quality is negligent for me. Camera is much faster on the S7.
I miss the back buttons and the tap to turn on the screen in the G4. I also miss the larger screen.
With the S7, I love the amoled, and outside viewing is much much better. I found the automatic brightness of the G4 to be terrible, and in the S7 it works great.
Battery life on the S7 has been better for me, but it's hard for me to compare fairly as I have a few wireless chargers that I pop the S7 on throughout the day, so I am topping up without thinking about it much.
Water resistance has been brilliant for me too. While I have not dropped my phone in water, I use it in the rain regularly.
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My LG G4 also broke last week due to bootlop of death; not under warranty because of unlocked bootloader.
I would like to buy a new one (can be found in stores for about 310 EUR) but I'm afraid that bootlop could happen again, so decided to leave LG (V20 will not arrive in Europe) and to go for a plain S7.
I loved my G4, buttons on the back were great to use.
Camera was impressive; many friends with "better" handphones were stunned seeing pictures taken at night (manual mode).
Main concern is downgrading from 5.5' to 5.1'; when I got the G4 the screen seemed huge, but after some time you ged used to it and quality was also ok for my tastes.
Let's see how the S7 will perform; my old S3 was a good phone after all...
Can you plese tell if the battery is removeable or not ? I have read different opinions about. My concern is that in certain occasions (flashing...) the software reset (Pwr+VolDwn) could not work and lead to a mess. Removing the battery is often the best thing that helps...
Regards
S

@sandrinopi The s7 has no removable battery. It's built in. However,pressing the power button for some seconds results also to a restart.
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sloany84 said:
I also upgraded from my LG G4 after it died, to the S7. I've only had it for a short while but so far I think it's a worthy upgrade. The only things I'm missing are the FM radio and IR blaster, but I can live without these.
Maybe Samsung will bring back the FM radio like they did the microSD card slot.
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S7 does have fm
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S7 does have fm
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Not on European versions, where FM radio is not factory installed.
If I correctly understood a couple of articles I read, the unique attempt that one can do is to install an FM radio app from Play store and cross fingers.
Rgds
S

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The s7 is superior in every way, since it costs more and is newer than the G4. The only thing that the G4 beats the s7 in is the developer friendliness.
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Marketers dream of customers who define superiority by highest cost. There are many of us who think developer friendless is the single most important factor. I think the S7 is a horrible phone and a very poor value. I'm glad my teenage son enjoys the one I purchased because I would have sold it within days of buying it if it were my phone.

[VERSUS] LG G6 or OnePlus 5

Hello everyone, as to the reason why I'm asking in this thread. I'm personally favouring the G6 for unknown reasons. I just wanted some more input.
I cannot decide between the G6 and the Oneplus 5
What would you pick and why?
For me the G6 has unique features like the Waterproofing, the wide angle, the dac, Qhd display
Oneplus has software and power, better sensor(?)
I really want the better camera experience which is why I'm leaning towards the G6 for the wide angle.
At the same time, FCC is bad/average I read here which is sad, while the oneplus front cam is supposedly good but I probably use it only for video calling anyway
In low light, indoor pictures how do the G6 fair in your opinion? Satisfied by indoor pictures of people/pets etc??
Video calling with the front camera? Good bad?
what do you say?
Thank you for your insights!
Oh one more thing, this purchase is going to be a keeper, meaning 2-3 years if possible. What's the better buy?

dkimmortal said:
Hello everyone, as to the reason why I'm asking in this thread. I'm personally favouring the G6 for unknown reasons. I just wanted some more input.
I cannot decide between the G6 and the Oneplus 5
What would you pick and why?
For me the G6 has unique features like the Waterproofing, the wide angle, the dac, Qhd display
Oneplus has software and power, better sensor(?)
I really want the better camera experience which is why I'm leaning towards the G6 for the wide angle.
At the same time, FCC is bad/average I read here which is sad, while the oneplus front cam is supposedly good but I probably use it only for video calling anyway
In low light, indoor pictures how do the G6 fair in your opinion? Satisfied by indoor pictures of people/pets etc??
Video calling with the front camera? Good bad?
what do you say?
Thank you for your insights!
Oh one more thing, this purchase is going to be a keeper, meaning 2-3 years if possible. What's the better buy?
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Better screen on g6 next to no bezzle on g6 them 2 things alone make the g6 better than op5 in my opinion

The only 3 things that op5 have better than LG it's fast updates , stock Android and the os it's faster. The rest the gym smocks op5

G6 24 month warranty! Love the IQ, very happy thus far.
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If you are concerned about the front camera on the LG G6, use the rear wide angle camera and easily take selfies! The LG G6 is one of the fastest SD 821 devices out there so compared to the One Plus 5 which use SD 835, You will save fractions of a second when using the faster One Plus 5, nothing major differences in performance! LG G6 is even better than the SD 835 or the Exynos specced Galaxy S8 due to the LG UX 6.0 being smoother than Samsung's software..

Well, this is ironic.
I have a G6 and my friend just got an OP5 so we compared a few things. I have a pretty good idea what the differences are.
Design: Of course this is subjective, depends what you prefer. The OP5 is thinner, but I like the G6 better. That's of course your preference, but once you go bezeless, it's hard to go back.
Battery: I'm actually getting great battery life on the G6, however, the OP5 is just better. The battery size is the same, but the 835 is more power efficient, the screen is 1080p instead of 2k, and Android 7.1 has more battery optimizations than 7.0. As well as less bloat running in the background.
Of course again, that depends on your usage. Speaking of display:
Screen: Both are gorgeous screens, 5.7 2k vs 5.5 1080p (and yes, the G6 is slightly smaller even with the bigger screen). Both are nice, and it's really your choice. The G6 screen is gorgeous, and LCD which is really one of the best. The OP5 screen is a nice dark amoled and has great colour. You won't be disappointed by either screen, it all depends on whether you really want the nicer denser screen, or of 1080p is nice enough, taking I told account battery savings.
Speed: Day to day usage, both phones are great. I really see no stutter or lags on either device, except for the occasional hiccup in an app. But that's the app more than the hardware.
That being said, the little things is where the OP5 flies. Unlocking it is nearly instant. The camera loads ridiculously quickly. And of course games load quicker. If the G6 could be rooted and some bloat deleted, it could probably do a bit better, but stock out of the box, the OP5 flies... unlike the G6.
Camera: I'm not a big photos guy, so I can only give you some simple experience with that. Both rear cameras are very similar quality wise. The OP5 gets the bokkeh effect, and the G6 has the wide lens. Again, kind of comes down to your preference. The front facing camera is better on the OP5. That's no competition. I assume LG could not fit a better camera on the small bezel. That being said, it's not a TERRIBLE camera. As long as you have some good light, you're fine. It's just low light that ruins things (like most cameras anyway)
Regardless, both phones are pretty awesome. They both do very well for day-to-day. They both look very nice as well. Although I'd give the "looks" advantage to the G6, especially since the OP5 looks just like the iphone7, which personally, I really don't like. But it doesn't mean its a bad look or anything, again, very subjective. The power though, goes to the OP5. Again, the G6 isn't bad by any means, but you can really tell which phone is more powerful when putting them side by side.
I tend to edge over to the G6. I feel it's a more no compromises approach. Despite being overall less powerful, it doesn't suffer in day to day, and looks great. The OP5 is definitely more of an enthusiast device, but I would pass on the looks.
So unless there is a specific reason to get one: like rooting, the front camera, the display tech (LCD vs amoled), the processor, etc. You'll be fine with either device.
Take a look at the pricing around you. I got the G6 from a carrier so I paid less up front, but overall the OP5 is a bit cheaper (at least here) so that's a consideration.
Good luck!

Leaning towards the op5
My LG G4 just died with the boot loop that's caused by the soldering problem admitted by LG themselves. Despite my phone still being under warranty, they've refused to fix it due to the phone being rooted. Luckily Amazon gave me a full refund regardless. Not happy with LG at all! I mean rooting is the whole point of owning an Android in the first place.
LG seems to be a better and cheaper phone here (maybe not so much in the battery department) but I'm weary of getting burned again by LG... Plus OP has better support and optimization. The battery life on the original firmware that LG G4 came with was absolutely appalling, 2.5h of screen on time. Smh...
Hope this helps in your decision.
I'm gonna carry on my research for another day or two I think.

I'm starting to regret getting the g6. Stuck on android 7.0 and probably getting only one more update to 8.0. First releases are always bug infested.....we...G6 owners are doomed to use buggy software till rhe end of days.
My prior phone (OP3) wasn't flawless but at least the software was up to date and it was rootable.
I'm waiting for the release of the new pixel and if that won't win me over...im jumping ship to the OP5.

ibila said:
I'm starting to regret getting the g6. Stuck on android 7.0 and probably getting only one more update to 8.0. First releases are always bug infested.....we...G6 owners are doomed to use buggy software till rhe end of days.
My prior phone (OP3) wasn't flawless but at least the software was up to date and it was rootable.
I'm waiting for the release of the new pixel and if that won't win me over...im jumping ship to the OP5.
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Im actually expecting G6 to receive Project Treble support and 2 more android updates. Keep in mind G6 was released early this year with nougat (7), oem flagships usually support phones for 2 years, thus android 9 is not wishful thinking...pending support from qualcomm on 821 chip, but I'd imagine google will press qualcomm to maintain support as original pixels share same chip.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Huawei Mate 30 Pro, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Huawei Mate 30 Pro is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I'd like to love it
But I don't know if its worth buying yet? I really would like gmail

I've had my M30P imported from China for just under a week now at the time of writing this. Before that, I was using a P30P for 6 months.
My overall experience and feelings for it is very positive. It's my most favorite Huawei smartphone to date and I don't have too many complaints about it so I'll just be honest and upfront about everything I've personally liked and disliked.
There wasn't anything wrong with my P30P from before and I loved most things about the phone (which you'll see me reference it a lot in some of the points below) but the Chinese prices on the M30P and to be first in line for the latest updates for once just tempted me too much - I paid 5800¥ (which is about $820/€736/£634. I'll be basing most of my experiences and comparisons on the P30P as a result since it's the only other, closest rival phone I can match it against and I suspect a lot of people will want to know how they both stack up anyway
Display and Build Quality:
+ Display appears slightly brighter than the P30P with very punchy colours, contrast, deep blacks and decent sunlight readability. The panel isn't quite up there with the Note 10+ but it's still really good and you won't be disappointed.
+ No bezels or even much of a chin as the gorgeous looking waterfall display that spills on to the edges.
+ IP68 rated + equipped with Gorilla Glass 6 whereas the P30P didn't have any form of Gorilla Glass Protection, and the M20P had v5 (still worth putting a screen protector on though!)
+ I am a big fan of the (innovative?) virtual volume buttons that trigger when you double tap on the top left or right edges of the display
+ Supports *AOD* after a recent software update!
- Has a notch even though it's smaller than most other notches, including the iPhone 11, Pixel 4 (if you can count its giant forehead), as well as last year's M20P
- Doesn't have 90hz refresh rate despite some of the strong rumors and leaks that had been circulating around beforehand
Camera:
+ Consistently handles noise, artifacts and retains small details better than P30P in both daylight and night shots - this is due to the newer, improved ISP on a hardware level and camera tweaks on a software level.
+ Industry-leading best in class wide angle lens. It's huge f/1.8 aperture and the sensor size of 1/1.54" that really shows its prowess in both day time and night shots that no other competitor can currently go against at the moment. Let's not forget it defaults to pixel binning since it's actually outputting 10mp shots and the new ISP further enhances it (namely in dealing with noise). All in all, you get more preserved details in both the shadows and highlights, better colour balance, nicer dynamic range and the hardware front here really delivers in all aspects of the shooting conditions. I compared it with an iPhone 11 and a Note 10+ at my local Samsung and Apple stores respectively and the M30P's wide angle is just miles ahead better and I can't see other brands having a superior wide angle lens anytime soon.
+ Sometimes, in ideal lighting and certain scenarios, I will get even BETTER daytime shots on the wide angle than the main sensor as it's not RYYB and the fact that it's got an even bigger sensor size than that actually gives it some advantages to the main lens and compared to generally most other wide angle lens from other phones.
+ Video recording seem better stabilized, with less choppiness when panning around the scene and it can finally record 4k in 60FPS too due to the newer ISP. Wide angle video capture is miles better than the P30P's one due to the significantly superior hardware, especially in low light.
+ I love its quad rear camera design and its shiny ring more than similar rivals' implementations by the iPhone 11, Pixel 4 and even the M20P - just feel like saying it as I've grown to like it now!
+ ToF sensor feels slightly better than the one found in the P30P - my portrait mode shots and bokeh effects tend to be more precise with less clipping and better edge detection around subjects
+ 7680FPS video recording isn't just a stunt as it does work and is fun to use when you want to show off something cool and playful with it. No other smartphone in the industry comes close.
+ Night Mode shots with both the primary and wide angle lens has been improved further against the P30P which was already the king of low light - it captures the smaller details better (mainly only noticed when you zoom or crop in), has less noise and better colour balance in almost every shot I took in low light.
- Occasionally renders warm, red tinges to my photos when shooting with the primary main sensor, but rarely ever happens in all circumstances when using the wide angle sensor (most likely because it's not RYYB). Hopefully resolved with future software updates.
- No periscope 5x optical zoom and 50x digital zoom capability. You now get 3x optical and 3x digital instead which isn't entirely a dealbreaker as most people won't be using this all the time but I feel it needs to be said anyway.
- I've seen some minor lens flare that I did not ever seem to get on the P30P, or on any other phone I've owned to date.
- Front selfie camera has improved a bit from the P30P but it still applies a lot of digital make-up to my face and smooths out my skin a bit too much for my liking, and that's even with the beauty level set to the lowest in the UI. It's once again still not on the same league as the iPhone 11 or Note 10's front cameras.
- No super macro-mode for close up shots of up to 2.5cm from the subject which used to be found on the P30P - I understand this is due to the new sensors that no longer allow it
- Still lacks an automatic HDR toggle - you need to enable it manually each time under "More" in the camera settings
Battery life and Charging
+ Lasts really long due to the combination of the Kirin 990 on the newest 7nm+ EUV node, a massive 4500mAh battery which Huawei claim also uses "AI" to understand your usage patterns and potentially even being based on Android 10's behind-the-scenes battery optimizations/algorithms (I got more SOT than my P30P)
+ For me, the lack of GMS/Google Play Services definitely improved my battery life too
+ 40w supercharge which tops up the battery incredibly quick without overheating my phone (about 0-70% in 30mins just like before). I've also got a 40w Huawei SuperCharge power bank which is compatible with the M30P.
+ 27w wireless charging - I don't have a wireless charger to test but this makes it vastly superior to most wired charging speeds from other brands.
- "3x faster reverse wireless charging" is still largely a gimmick as it's not that much of an improvement from the previous gen (from 2.5W to 7.5w now) in every day practical use but I can see how it can be useful in emergency situations where even a few % can be useful for a friend if he/she doesn't have a portable charger
Performance and Software
+ Android 10 + UFS 3.0 (being used for the first time by Huawei) + 8GB of RAM = an extremely fluid, snappy and responsive system all-round with no lag!
+ I can still use most of my essential daily apps without Google Play Services by sideloading them, including Brave (which I prefer over Chrome anyway), Google Maps, Google Keyboard, Gmail (via the native Huawei mail handler), Instagram and WhatsApp
+ GPS accuracy in apps such as Google Maps, Cellular strength and mobile data speeds equally as fast and reliable as my P30P or if not slightly better from what I've noticed
+ Kirin 990 chipset performs well despite not using ARM's newest Cortex A77 cores, and shines in the battery life department and in games due to the optimizations to both the CPU +GPU
+ First in line to get the latest software updates if you purchase the Chinese LIO-AL00 model - I've already had 4 in less than a week and most were at least 1GB in size so they weren't all minor patches
- No Google Play Services out of the box, so you'll need to somehow restore your phone using HiSuite with a known working backup that has it or find alternative apps that don't rely on it
- My CN LIO-AL00 had a lot of bloatware that I couldn't easily uninstall and disable under the Settings, so I had to remove a lot of them via adb on my Desktop which took up a lot of time
- I still would've preferred the Kirin 990 to feature the newest A77 cores, as the upcoming Snapdragon 865 is guaranteed to have them (nonetheless the optimized A76s for power efficiency easily match and beat the 855+ in most areas
Audio quality
+ Phone call and speaker sound quality (especially at mid to higher volumes) feels a fair bit louder, fuller, clearer, richer and better balanced than the P30P
+ Audio capture when recording videos seems to be improved by a minor amount over the P30P
- Still has a single downwards firing speaker. Where's the dual stereo nowadays?
Other final thoughts:
+ Under display fingerprint sensor is incredibly fast and responsive - definitely ahead of the one in the P30P
+ Excellent build quality which is to be expected from another Huawei flagship - the whole device feels very premium and screams quality in the hands
+ Battery life is even better than the P30P which was already the Android battery champ!
+ Great price if you can somehow import it over from China - I paid 5800¥ for the 128GB model to a friend who brought it to me (approximately $820/€736/£634)
I hope people will find my well-balanced comparison helpful between the M30P and my P30P!

thanks you for your writing. i remember huawei advirtised is 2.5 cm close shoting super macro. which is very dissappointing for me. i like macro shots. And some reviewers in my country told that night photos are very bright and it makes the sceen very unrealist. Hope they fix this.

ssregitoss said:
thanks you for your writing. i remember huawei advirtised is 2.5 cm close shoting super macro. which is very dissappointing for me. i like macro shots. And some reviewers in my country told that night photos are very bright and it makes the sceen very unrealist. Hope they fix this.
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Night mode are just amazing and not much unrealistic for me
But yeah, super macro mode is msising and it's not a good move from huawei...

Does the M30P have an improved haptic vibration motor?
This is something that Samsung improved with the Note 10 series and it definitely makes a difference to the user experience.

Excellent screen, sound, battery and performance

I never was pleased this much with any phone everything is superb specially the camera! has anyone found a way to make google assistance s default or get rid of default home launcher ?

Ggffdd

Byte_76 said:
Does the M30P have an improved haptic vibration motor?
This is something that Samsung improved with the Note 10 series and it definitely makes a difference to the user experience.
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Coming from the following phones I've owned in the past years, I've noticed a slight improvement over all of them. It's definitely not a weak motor.
P30 Pro
Mate 20 Pro
Pixel 2 XL
Galaxy S8
Galaxy S6

Any chance you could give me a list of the bloat you removed?? don't want to take the wrong thing out with ADB and brick it.. Only thing I miss is having to keep pressing Google to voice activate, no big issue, and Google pay, now I have to carry a bank card everywhere
Those two little niggles aside its superb!
Cheers mate!
Great article btw!!
kyero985 said:
I've had my M30P imported from China for just under a week now at the time of writing this. Before that, I was using a P30P for 6 months.
My overall experience and feelings for it is very positive. It's my most favorite Huawei smartphone to date and I don't have too many complaints about it so I'll just be honest and upfront about everything I've personally liked and disliked.
There wasn't anything wrong with my P30P from before and I loved most things about the phone (which you'll see me reference it a lot in some of the points below) but the Chinese prices on the M30P and to be first in line for the latest updates for once just tempted me too much - I paid 5800¥ (which is about $820/€736/£634. I'll be basing most of my experiences and comparisons on the P30P as a result since it's the only other, closest rival phone I can match it against and I suspect a lot of people will want to know how they both stack up anyway
Display and Build Quality:
+ Display appears slightly brighter than the P30P with very punchy colours, contrast, deep blacks and decent sunlight readability. The panel isn't quite up there with the Note 10+ but it's still really good and you won't be disappointed.
+ No bezels or even much of a chin as the gorgeous looking waterfall display that spills on to the edges.
+ IP68 rated + equipped with Gorilla Glass 6 whereas the P30P didn't have any form of Gorilla Glass Protection, and the M20P had v5 (still worth putting a screen protector on though!)
+ I am a big fan of the (innovative?) virtual volume buttons that trigger when you double tap on the top left or right edges of the display
+ Supports *AOD* after a recent software update!
- Has a notch even though it's smaller than most other notches, including the iPhone 11, Pixel 4 (if you can count its giant forehead), as well as last year's M20P
- Doesn't have 90hz refresh rate despite some of the strong rumors and leaks that had been circulating around beforehand
Camera:
+ Consistently handles noise, artifacts and retains small details better than P30P in both daylight and night shots - this is due to the newer, improved ISP on a hardware level and camera tweaks on a software level.
+ Industry-leading best in class wide angle lens. It's huge f/1.8 aperture and the sensor size of 1/1.54" that really shows its prowess in both day time and night shots that no other competitor can currently go against at the moment. Let's not forget it defaults to pixel binning since it's actually outputting 10mp shots and the new ISP further enhances it (namely in dealing with noise). All in all, you get more preserved details in both the shadows and highlights, better colour balance, nicer dynamic range and the hardware front here really delivers in all aspects of the shooting conditions. I compared it with an iPhone 11 and a Note 10+ at my local Samsung and Apple stores respectively and the M30P's wide angle is just miles ahead better and I can't see other brands having a superior wide angle lens anytime soon.
+ Sometimes, in ideal lighting and certain scenarios, I will get even BETTER daytime shots on the wide angle than the main sensor as it's not RYYB and the fact that it's got an even bigger sensor size than that actually gives it some advantages to the main lens and compared to generally most other wide angle lens from other phones.
+ Video recording seem better stabilized, with less choppiness when panning around the scene and it can finally record 4k in 60FPS too due to the newer ISP. Wide angle video capture is miles better than the P30P's one due to the significantly superior hardware, especially in low light.
+ I love its quad rear camera design and its shiny ring more than similar rivals' implementations by the iPhone 11, Pixel 4 and even the M20P - just feel like saying it as I've grown to like it now!
+ ToF sensor feels slightly better than the one found in the P30P - my portrait mode shots and bokeh effects tend to be more precise with less clipping and better edge detection around subjects
+ 7680FPS video recording isn't just a stunt as it does work and is fun to use when you want to show off something cool and playful with it. No other smartphone in the industry comes close.
+ Night Mode shots with both the primary and wide angle lens has been improved further against the P30P which was already the king of low light - it captures the smaller details better (mainly only noticed when you zoom or crop in), has less noise and better colour balance in almost every shot I took in low light.
- Occasionally renders warm, red tinges to my photos when shooting with the primary main sensor, but rarely ever happens in all circumstances when using the wide angle sensor (most likely because it's not RYYB). Hopefully resolved with future software updates.
- No periscope 5x optical zoom and 50x digital zoom capability. You now get 3x optical and 3x digital instead which isn't entirely a dealbreaker as most people won't be using this all the time but I feel it needs to be said anyway.
- I've seen some minor lens flare that I did not ever seem to get on the P30P, or on any other phone I've owned to date.
- Front selfie camera has improved a bit from the P30P but it still applies a lot of digital make-up to my face and smooths out my skin a bit too much for my liking, and that's even with the beauty level set to the lowest in the UI. It's once again still not on the same league as the iPhone 11 or Note 10's front cameras.
- No super macro-mode for close up shots of up to 2.5cm from the subject which used to be found on the P30P - I understand this is due to the new sensors that no longer allow it
- Still lacks an automatic HDR toggle - you need to enable it manually each time under "More" in the camera settings
Battery life and Charging
+ Lasts really long due to the combination of the Kirin 990 on the newest 7nm+ EUV node, a massive 4500mAh battery which Huawei claim also uses "AI" to understand your usage patterns and potentially even being based on Android 10's behind-the-scenes battery optimizations/algorithms (I got more SOT than my P30P)
+ For me, the lack of GMS/Google Play Services definitely improved my battery life too
+ 40w supercharge which tops up the battery incredibly quick without overheating my phone (about 0-70% in 30mins just like before). I've also got a 40w Huawei SuperCharge power bank which is compatible with the M30P.
+ 27w wireless charging - I don't have a wireless charger to test but this makes it vastly superior to most wired charging speeds from other brands.
- "3x faster reverse wireless charging" is still largely a gimmick as it's not that much of an improvement from the previous gen (from 2.5W to 7.5w now) in every day practical use but I can see how it can be useful in emergency situations where even a few % can be useful for a friend if he/she doesn't have a portable charger
Performance and Software
+ Android 10 + UFS 3.0 (being used for the first time by Huawei) + 8GB of RAM = an extremely fluid, snappy and responsive system all-round with no lag!
+ I can still use most of my essential daily apps without Google Play Services by sideloading them, including Brave (which I prefer over Chrome anyway), Google Maps, Google Keyboard, Gmail (via the native Huawei mail handler), Instagram and WhatsApp
+ GPS accuracy in apps such as Google Maps, Cellular strength and mobile data speeds equally as fast and reliable as my P30P or if not slightly better from what I've noticed
+ Kirin 990 chipset performs well despite not using ARM's newest Cortex A77 cores, and shines in the battery life department and in games due to the optimizations to both the CPU +GPU
+ First in line to get the latest software updates if you purchase the Chinese LIO-AL00 model - I've already had 4 in less than a week and most were at least 1GB in size so they weren't all minor patches
- No Google Play Services out of the box, so you'll need to somehow restore your phone using HiSuite with a known working backup that has it or find alternative apps that don't rely on it
- My CN LIO-AL00 had a lot of bloatware that I couldn't easily uninstall and disable under the Settings, so I had to remove a lot of them via adb on my Desktop which took up a lot of time
- I still would've preferred the Kirin 990 to feature the newest A77 cores, as the upcoming Snapdragon 865 is guaranteed to have them (nonetheless the optimized A76s for power efficiency easily match and beat the 855+ in most areas
Audio quality
+ Phone call and speaker sound quality (especially at mid to higher volumes) feels a fair bit louder, fuller, clearer, richer and better balanced than the P30P
+ Audio capture when recording videos seems to be improved by a minor amount over the P30P
- Still has a single downwards firing speaker. Where's the dual stereo nowadays?
Other final thoughts:
+ Under display fingerprint sensor is incredibly fast and responsive - definitely ahead of the one in the P30P
+ Excellent build quality which is to be expected from another Huawei flagship - the whole device feels very premium and screams quality in the hands
+ Battery life is even better than the P30P which was already the Android battery champ!
+ Great price if you can somehow import it over from China - I paid 5800¥ for the 128GB model to a friend who brought it to me (approximately $820/€736/£634)
I hope people will find my well-balanced comparison helpful between the M30P and my P30P!
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ssregitoss said:
thanks you for your writing. i remember huawei advirtised is 2.5 cm close shoting super macro. which is very dissappointing for me. i like macro shots. And some reviewers in my country told that night photos are very bright and it makes the sceen very unrealist. Hope they fix this.
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MACRO mode works wonderful but it is only available for the M30
The M30 Pro lacks this feature due to different camera setup - I had both models so I can testify this from my own experience,

Pretty much best hardware best camera one of the best battery life out now, bar none

alon3232 said:
MACRO mode works wonderful but it is only available for the M30
The M30 Pro lacks this feature due to different camera setup - I had both models so I can testify this from my own experience,
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Gosh... Personally I would expect m30pro to support super macro. I was expecting a software update will fix this.
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I bought my Mate 30 Pro on February 1th 2020, when it was launched in Romania. Since I preordered it, I received the phone bundled with the Freebuds 3, which are surprisingly good and I'm a music producer, hence I care about the sound I have, even though I'm only listening music on it occasionally. I have also received a $210 coupon discount which turned this 256 Gb version of the phone into a total no brainer. No macro shots hurts, true, but besides that, after a month of usage I can still say I'm very happy with it!

A worthy successor to the Mate 20 Pro

I like it. But what about love...I don't know. I am not quite sure about my feelings yet))

hello
have a nice day

alon3232 said:
MACRO mode works wonderful but it is only available for the M30
The M30 Pro lacks this feature due to different camera setup - I had both models so I can testify this from my own experience,
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I know its being a year already lol....but how much camera quality differs between the vanilla & pro version?