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Is PLS the tablet's AMOLED ? IPS vs PLS video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-aE6SZkdHw
Just check out the difference in color rendering and luminosity between the two.
And the quality gain gets even wider with viewing angles according to PLS technology sheets I've been reading.
This seriously makes me condiser the gtab again over the transformer now.

Well Samsung did state that PLS was the evolution of IPS. So... I'm assuming it was supposed to better from the start. I don't know if it truly is. I will be waiting for Anandtech's review to find out.

I bet Samsung is dying to put Amoled on on these new tabs, but I doubt it. I would only buy it if it was Super Amoled Plus (Pentile Matrix...), But I doubt it. Seems like it would be a little expensive. I do imagine however, that Sammy's made some sort of cheaper display that looks just as nice.

Well Samsung have shown a 7" SuperAMOLED screen intended for tablets
My guess is that the next Galaxy Tab "7" will have SuperAMOLED (hopefully plus) and it will probably have the Exynos SoC
engadget.com/2010/11/10/samsung-7-inch-super-amoled-panel-showcased-on-next-gen-galaxy/

K-DoG7p7 said:
Well Samsung have shown a 7" SuperAMOLED screen intended for tablets
My guess is that the next Galaxy Tab "7" will have SuperAMOLED (hopefully plus) and it will probably have the Exynos SoC
engadget.com/2010/11/10/samsung-7-inch-super-amoled-panel-showcased-on-next-gen-galaxy/
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Interesting, but I doubt the 10.1 will be SUPER AMOLED because it's only $500.

It won't. They already said it will be PLS.

Interesting... There was a notion ink adam a few inches away

PLS LCD vs Super Amoled Plus

Hey guys
I'm thinking to buy the 7" Tab Plus or the 7.7" one(when they will appear ) and I was wondering if any of you have any experience with PLS LCD and Super Amoled Plus displays.
Which one is better,in terms of quality,power usage,etc
I googled for that but it didn't help much,and i'd prefer to hear from someone who saw in real life both displays

As we know both are made bu samsungand both are the best in market (even better than the ipad IPS Screen ) but Pls screen has more natural colours like what we see with our eye in real world . Amoled colours are so vivid like animation movies ,etc but it is very good in power saving and better in black color . Finally it depends on your taste and how you prefere to see colors and you should see both side by side to decide but personally I hated my friends galaxy s2 after I compared it to my galaxy tab 10.1
advice : (buy galaxy tab 7.7 higher resolution , better processor ,thinner and easier to handle )
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thanks for your answer
seems it will be a tough choice,and i will have to wait till both will be on stores so i can compare myself although the 7.7 price is kinda much..around 700 euros
I like the natural colours so i guess i will go with 7 plus
Anyway,in the meantime if someone else has other opinions pls share

I would say Super AMOLED Plus hands down. It's true that the AMOLED displays portray images more vivid and with very deep contrast, but I wouldn't say that the colors are unnatural, in fact I find it to be a major advantage of the 7.7, it will make movies that much better. The Super AMOLED Plus displays also don't have a backlight so they are much thinner and use less power. This is technology much more advanced than the panels in today's TVs. The Super PLS displays Samsung makes (what the 7.0 Plus has) are also very good, some say better than the IPS displays in tablets, but it's still an LCD, not quite as good as the Super AMOLED Plus in my opinion.
Also do not forget that the 7.7 display is higher resolution at 1280 x 800, the 7.0 Plus is 1024 x 600, and in my opinion it will make a big difference especially in Honeycomb. But don't let any of us persuade you in your decision, if you can, go look at them side by side in person and decide for yourself. We don't know what the 7.7 will cost yet, but I imagine the 7.0 Plus will be cheaper so if that is an important factor for you then it wouldn't be unwise to consider it.
As far as other specs go, the 7.7 is a bit thinner and lighter and has a bigger battery, a slightly faster processor, and a 64GB option.

Ok,thank you both for answer
Well yeah the price is an important factor..the 7 plus will cost 300 euros and the 7.7 will cost almost 700 euros so I will stick with the 7 plus for now
Here is a video which shows both side by side if someone else is interested to see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHOxPJBgieg
My first conclusion is that the super amoled looks brighter and colours are different than the ips pls one,but they ask too much..i will get it in a year or so when it will be half of price

Galaxy S4 mini

Samsung annonced officially, the Samsung Galaxy S4 mini.
it has 4.3" qHD disply, android 4.2.2 but with out most of the features of S4 (like no double shot, no 360 panorama), has S Health but with out S4 sensors like temperature sensor, barometer and humidity sensor
chipset is most likely Snapdragon 400 at 1.7Ghz with 1.5Gb of RAM and internal storage is 8Gb with Micro SD card slot for expanding it.
rest of connectivity options and usual, wifi, bluetooth,GPS with GLONASS etc...
also has IR blaster for remote controlling.
the phone has dimensions of 124.6 x 61.3 x 8.94mm and weighs 107g which is cool
battery is user replacable and is 1900mAh.
no word on pricing. samsung will show it off on June 20 and most likely to reveal pricing then.
available color options are Black Mist and White Frost.
i kinda like it except the qHD screen. it should have been at least 720p but all its success depends on its pricing.
what do u guys think?

The SIII Mini always struck me as a bit pointless, having neither the spec to appeal to those that like phones with a bit of muscle or the price point for those that want a decent phone on a budget. It didn't really satisfy anyone and I have a sneaky feeling we're going to see more of the same with this.

Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.

fortunz said:
Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.
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I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-

hung2900 said:
I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-
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It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.

Again like the S3 mini, Samsung is trying to milk more money out of the S4 series but now targeting the mid-range side. Average consumers will probably buy this as there is an "S4" tag on it and is much cheaper than it's big brother.

fortunz said:
It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.
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I don't think you understand my opinion, maybe due to my bad English. To say clearer, what I mean is the Note 2's screen's scale is basically the same as Galaxy S3 with the same 320 dpi - zooming from 4.8 to 5.55 inch. This means, a same font of texts, a word with a length of 120 pixels on S3 (1/6 of the total length) is still 120 pixels on Note 2 (also 1/6 of the total length), but 15.625% bigger in real-size (what you actually see). So is the result is what you can see clear on S3, you can see it CLEARER on Note 2. That's is the technichque Samsung usually implements, like on Note 8.0 that make it much more sharper than iPad mini in browsing. If we compare a same line of texts with 5mm of "real size", the result from a screen like One X basically has 18% more pixels to illustrate the detail of the text, which results in being clearer than Note 2. And if you really have a Note 2 (i'm using it), when visiting some websites in desktop mode (like xda forum, lol), the text is very small and not crisp anymore.
But how about Galaxy S4 Mini? "The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp"? OK, now we will consider the same thing as Note 2 above. For a line of texts equivalent to 1/6 total length of the screen, it takes only 93.33 pixels, which means noticeably less than S3 and Note 2 with smaller "real size" also, so it cannot be as sharp as S3. And in fact, Samsung did rescale from 320dpi to 240 dpi on Galaxy S4 Mini, which also means for a same font of texts, the number of pixels for displaying increases about 15.3%, so from 93.33 pixels I said above now it is appox. 108 pixels, which is not too far from Galaxy S3, and the payoff is the screen is cramped. So we cannot say "because Note 2 is sharp so Galaxy S4 Mini is also sharp"
About Pentile screen, it is not totally "nothing more or less than false advertising", but more like "false understanding of the major and the misleading criticisms". Why? Because most of people don't understand what is "Pentile". In fact, this "technology" can ONLY be used on OLED (AMOLED) technogy, which has the uneven luminance and lumious time of different color subpixels. Even experts cannot show the "exactly" ppi of an Pentile Amoled screen (because even with Pentile, different stripes layout leads to different result), while some people try to do an easier way that comparing the total number of subpixels, which is totally false. In fact, Galaxy S4 has 623 subpixels/inch, slightly higher than Blackberry Z10 (615) and iPhone 5 (565), but it is MUCH more sharper and not really different from the normal RGB 1080p screen like Xperia Z.
With Pentile screen, the main culprit of all criticism is not the lack of subpixels, but the uneven scale of pixels (because they're not real pixels) and uneven big-small gaps redundant. That's why they call the subpixels layout of S4 is innovative while still Pentile, because it is much much better than the traditional matrix on Galaxy S3 and together with the high ppi reduces most of Pentile problem (in fact, with traditional matrix, even with 441 ppi probably there will be something there)

Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??

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Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??
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No, the sensor isn't there.

i wish this could be my next phone

I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.

mpokwsths said:
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.

mpokwsths said:
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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Me too
But only if i will find it around to 300€ in next months, and if there will be a good support on XDA

Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?

KaptanJack026 said:
Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?
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Not at the moment. MHL isn't supported either.
metaxaos said:
It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.
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No info. There isn't a root for the 9190 yet - the 9192 and 9195 procedures do not work on the 9190 and will probably brick your device.

hello, does anyone know when this phone will be available in the usa? can not find any info on this
if this is in the wrong forum please move, thanks

Which phone should i buy? sIII or s4 mini

Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated

Whosat said:
Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated
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No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development

soraxx said:
No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development
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Hmm, you've mentioned the main benefit of getting the S3 I guess.
Also, the S3 has quad-core as opposed to the dual-core S4 mini. S3 has 1 GB of ram only though.
There are also more accessories for the S3 than for the S4 mini because the mini has a smaller market and is also a newer device.

GS4 or GNote 3

I currently Have the GS4, but have been looking at videos of the Note 3 and have found a new love. I have never toyed around with or entertained the idea of a Note device before. Should I make the jump to the Note 3?

Joell27 said:
I currently Have the GS4, but have been looking at videos of the Note 3 and have found a new love. I have never toyed around with or entertained the idea of a Note device before. Should I make the jump to the Note 3?
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It's going to be faster with the additional S-Pen features.
If you can handle the size go for it - that's the only debatable thing if money is not an issue.

make the jump. i sold my s4 weeks ago for note 3. i think the note 2 is just as fast as s4. Note 3 will be so much better then s4. Size could be your only issue

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make the jump. i sold my s4 weeks ago for note 3. i think the note 2 is just as fast as s4. Note 3 will be so much better then s4. Size could be your only issue
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Note 2 is def not as fast as gs4....that said the n3 will be that much faster then the s4.im keeping my n2 and s4 as well as getting n3...should be interesting comparing them all hands on
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You know the differences are all easy to see. Just buy what fits your budget, and realize the Note 3 is better in every way, except if it's too big for your needs. I don't know of many people who even care about the size, in fact believe it's a benefit because of the larger screen.
Previously covered by many websites, it has the following improvements over the Galaxy S4:
Instead of 16-bit 48kHz sound, it has 24-bit 192kHz HD hardware. Thus superior sound playback and recording.
Instead of just 1080p video recording (1920x1080), it has 4K HD video recording (3,840 x 2,160)
Instead of just 1.9GHz quad core and Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 chipset, it has Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 chipset w/ 2.3GHz quad-core
Instead of Adreno 320 graphics chipset, it has Adreno 330 for faster graphics and other features improvements.
There is the addition of the S Pen and ability to detect pen pressure on the screen, which the S4 lacks.
Instead of the 5" screen 1920x1080 screen, it has a 5.7" 1920x1080 screen. There is loss of pixels per inch, in trade off for larger screen.
Instead of plastic body, it has metal bezel and faux leather backing "premium" style.
Instead of Android 4.2 stock, it has Android 4.3.
Instead of USB2 interface, is has USB3 for faster data transfer with PC and faster charging ability.
It should have other improvements, like faster internal storage, and perhaps a change in the Super AMOLED display, which might compensate for the loss of pixels per inch. The S4 has diamond pentile pixel layout, some people hope the Note 3 has something else which results in clearer display or more subpixels (but nobody knows yet, as these specifications have not yet been released)
Pretty much you are getting a much better device for your money with the Note 3. It has no downsides, unless you don't want the larger screen/device size.

Lg gpad 8.3 or nexus 7 v2 or galaxy pad 3 8

Just confused which one to go far , the prices are coming down daily ,
179 pounds for gpad and £ 129 for pad 3 8 ,
Google nexus 32 gb is 170 pounds
Want to use for browsing
Streaming from nas
Read books , games for kids ,
And movies
PDF e reader
Thanks
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LG G Pad. BTW, it's Galaxy Tab, not Galaxy Pad, and it has ultra lame specs.
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Do you recommend gpad
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EdenGottlieb said:
LG G Pad. BTW, it's Galaxy Tab, not Galaxy Pad, and it has ultra lame specs.
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Lame specs? Depends on what you use it for. I have two of them (samsung galaxy tab 3 - 8.0) and the G Pad. Although my LG tablet has far superior specs, the Samsung tablet easily holds its own in video, reading, web browsing etc. Plus the screen is "much" brighter than the LG tablet. If you favor a dimmer screen, the LG is the way to go. Battery is roughly the same on them as well.
Build quality, the LG is definitely more premium with an aluminum back. However, if you are like me and immediately put your tablets in cases, there is literally no difference.
Also, I prefer the physical buttons on the base of the Samsung over the virtual ones on the LG. You get full screen real estate which is a nice bonus.
Given there is a big price delta between the two, perhaps you should provide something vaguely constructive. From your brief comments I can tell you have never used the Samsung tab or had it in conjunction with the LG or you would know how little difference there is in performance. Not to mention, the Samsung screen, despite being lower resolution has zero bleed and no blue line on the screen that many LG owners in this forum have reported. Also the Samsung does not overheat like the LG either...
I suppose if you are using bleeding edge Android games, the LG will come off better but otherwise, there really isn't much of a difference between them.

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Lame specs? Depends on what you use it for. I have two of them (samsung galaxy tab 3 - 8.0) and the G Pad. Although my LG tablet has far superior specs, the Samsung tablet easily holds its own in video, reading, web browsing etc. Plus the screen is "much" brighter than the LG tablet. If you favor a dimmer screen, the LG is the way to go. Battery is roughly the same on them as well.
Build quality, the LG is definitely more premium with an aluminum back. However, if you are like me and immediately put your tablets in cases, there is literally no difference.
Also, I prefer the physical buttons on the base of the Samsung over the virtual ones on the LG. You get full screen real estate which is a nice bonus.
Given there is a big price delta between the two, perhaps you should provide something vaguely constructive. From your brief comments I can tell you have never used the Samsung tab or had it in conjunction with the LG or you would know how little difference there is in performance. Not to mention, the Samsung screen, despite being lower resolution has zero bleed and no blue line on the screen that many LG owners in this forum have reported. Also the Samsung does not overheat like the LG either...
I suppose if you are using bleeding edge Android games, the LG will come off better but otherwise, there really isn't much of a difference between them.
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i own a iPhone 5 32 gb
galaxy note 2 note 2 with 64 gb card
asus ft 300t 32 gb with dock with 32 gb card
and a sony tablets 32 gb with extra 32 gb card
all of them are running on stock roms ,
you can see that i put lot of stuff on them so wanted a tab with a expandable memorry card
just wondering as the lg gpad specs look good ,just wanted to know from someone who has used them to share there experience
i just want a tblet which should last for abit like teh functions but now a days the technology is moving so fast that i dont think its going to be possible
just thought as i was getting the lg gpad for 179 pounds and the samsung tab 3 8 is for 129 punds ,is it worth the extra 50 pounds spend or should i stick with the tab 3 .
will be just using it for the kids to watch movies from the nas and play games ,
browsing the internet and reading books on aldiko

RobilarOCN said:
Lame specs? Depends on what you use it for. I have two of them (samsung galaxy tab 3 - 8.0) and the G Pad. Although my LG tablet has far superior specs, the Samsung tablet easily holds its own in video, reading, web browsing etc. Plus the screen is "much" brighter than the LG tablet. If you favor a dimmer screen, the LG is the way to go. Battery is roughly the same on them as well.
Build quality, the LG is definitely more premium with an aluminum back. However, if you are like me and immediately put your tablets in cases, there is literally no difference.
Also, I prefer the physical buttons on the base of the Samsung over the virtual ones on the LG. You get full screen real estate which is a nice bonus.
Given there is a big price delta between the two, perhaps you should provide something vaguely constructive. From your brief comments I can tell you have never used the Samsung tab or had it in conjunction with the LG or you would know how little difference there is in performance. Not to mention, the Samsung screen, despite being lower resolution has zero bleed and no blue line on the screen that many LG owners in this forum have reported. Also the Samsung does not overheat like the LG either...
I suppose if you are using bleeding edge Android games, the LG will come off better but otherwise, there really isn't much of a difference between them.
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The major reason the Galaxy Tab 3 8 is lame is resolution. 800 * 1280! Are they not ashamed?! The Galaxy S4 has 1920*1080! When I saw it for the first time the low resoultion made me never consider buying it. Plus, it's much weaker.
OP, if there's such a major price difference, and it's going to be for kids to watch movies (they won't notice the resolution), get the galaxy tab 3 8. Here in israel the galaxy tab actually costs MORE than the G Pad! Absurd right?
BTW, you know there's a "kids edition" Galaxy tab right? Maybe you want to get that one for your kids. It's pricier and it's 7 inch, but comes with kids apps and is much sturdier.
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EdenGottlieb said:
The major reason the Galaxy Tab 3 8 is lame is resolution. 800 * 1280! Are they not ashamed?! The Galaxy S4 has 1920*1080! When I saw it for the first time the low resoultion made me never consider buying it. Plus, it's much weaker.
OP, if there's such a major price difference, and it's going to be for kids to watch movies (they won't notice the resolution), get the galaxy tab 3 8. Here in israel the galaxy tab actually costs MORE than the G Pad! Absurd right?
BTW, you know there's a "kids edition" Galaxy tab right? Maybe you want to get that one for your kids. It's pricier and it's 7 inch, but comes with kids apps and is much sturdier.
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As I mentioned, yes the Samsung screen is lower resolution. You owned one right? Try putting it side by side with an IPad Mini retina, and the G Pad and run the same video on each. Unless you have put a 9GB 1080P mkv file on it, there is literally no difference. Most tv files run at 480P and most movies run at 720P. Given that 720P is 1280x720, a 1280x800 tablet runs it native...
I'm not saying the Samsung is the best tablet out there, it clearly isn't. But for the price, it is a great device. It really comes down to what you use your tablet for the most.
I bought the LG (while owning the Samsung 8") exactly for the reason you mentioned; I wanted a higher res screen and more horsepower. The screen turned out to be much dimmer (something that bothers me to no end) and the extra horsepower does not run the apps I use any faster - video playback, web browsing, Moon+ reader for reading. If I played games on a tablet it might matter.
Here is my 3, Mini Retina, LG G Pad and Samsung 8".
Easy to compare when you have all of them at once.

RobilarOCN said:
As I mentioned, yes the Samsung screen is lower resolution. You owned one right? Try putting it side by side with an IPad Mini retina, and the G Pad and run the same video on each. Unless you have put a 9GB 1080P mkv file on it, there is literally no difference. Most tv files run at 480P and most movies run at 720P. Given that 720P is 1280x720, a 1280x800 tablet runs it native...
I'm not saying the Samsung is the best tablet out there, it clearly isn't. But for the price, it is a great device. It really comes down to what you use your tablet for the most.
I bought the LG (while owning the Samsung 8") exactly for the reason you mentioned; I wanted a higher res screen and more horsepower. The screen turned out to be much dimmer (something that bothers me to no end) and the extra horsepower does not run the apps I use any faster - video playback, web browsing, Moon+ reader for reading. If I played games on a tablet it might matter.
Here is my 3, Mini Retina, LG G Pad and Samsung 8".
Easy to compare when you have all of them at once.
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I have no problem with the brigthness. The resolution is less for movies, more for UI elements and tezt to look more crisp. And BTW - a 720p will look better on a 1080p screen than on a 720p screen, because of the small spaces between the pixels that are visible
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A lot of people is easily falling into the marketing tacticts of manufacturers.
Probably most of the people have 32" or bigger tv's with a maximunm resolution of 1080p, some people even has 1080i or 720p tv's and most of the people is happy with that.
But when a 8" device is sold with 720p screen people complain about it been low resolution, that's crazy...
By the way, I received my G Pad yesterday and as expected it have the light bleedign issue when using in potrait mode. I contacted amazon and they sent me a replacement today which has exactly the same issue. I'm starting to think that all the G Pad's have that f**ing light bleeding issue
I'm thinking if I should ask for a refund and get a Galaxy Tab 3 8 even if it's les powerful and will never be updated again

Mine gpad shows the 7 light bleed on the right side in dom light and the box wad open so will be going back
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I just need the G Pad to be brighter so that I can watch my movies. Otherwise it is perfect.

EdenGottlieb said:
I have no problem with the brigthness. The resolution is less for movies, more for UI elements and tezt to look more crisp. And BTW - a 720p will look better on a 1080p screen than on a 720p screen, because of the small spaces between the pixels that are visible
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That makes no difference on 720P video or lower quality. It would upscale it according the resolution on the tablet which does not provide a clearer picture.
1280x720 does not look clearer than 1280x720 on a 1920x1200 screen...
Now if you are running at 1080P video on a 720P screen, then there is a difference as it has to downscale. However, not sure how many people run 9 or 10 GB files on their tablets.

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That makes no difference on 720P video or lower quality. It would upscale it according the resolution on the tablet which does not provide a clearer picture.
1280x720 does not look clearer than 1280x720 on a 1920x1200 screen...
Now if you are running at 1080P video on a 720P screen, then there is a difference as it has to downscale. However, not sure how many people run 9 or 10 GB files on their tablets.
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I'm telling ya, 720 looks better on 1080 for me! I have a very good eyesight and when a single pixel spreads on several pixels it looks better to me.
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EdenGottlieb said:
I'm telling ya, 720 looks better on 1080 for me! I have a very good eyesight and when a single pixel spreads on several pixels it looks better to me.
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im happy with teh tab 3 8 ,its look better rather then reading the reviews ,
gpad going back tomorrow

I would lean towards the Tab Pro instead of the regular Tab. Resolution is incredible on the Tab Pro 8.4
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I also noticed a lot of light bleeding on two G Pads I had. And even on the one without light bleeding, the screen wasn't as sharp on the edges. Not a fan of the panel I guess. Nexus 7 is terrific. Just a bit too small for me to justify buying one when I have a Nexus 5. Tab Pro on the other hand is an excellent tablet, great display and faster than the Nexus 7.
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EdenGottlieb said:
I'm telling ya, 720 looks better on 1080 for me! I have a very good eyesight and when a single pixel spreads on several pixels it looks better to me.
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And I am telling ya.. that it doesn't work that way. Sounds like you are suffering from the placebo effect. Because you think it's better you are perceiving it as such.
I'll explain one last time and if that doesn't work I'd suggest you google the concept.
720P video on a 1080P screen will not be clearer (nor will 480P, the resolution many HD tv programs still run at and the default setting for Netflix). The video player is interlacing and upscaling the video by filling in the unused pixels. It is not clearer unless as I have said twice, you are running a 1080P video on a 1080P screen.
Maybe all the video files you are watching are 10 or 11GB mp4 or mkv 1080P rips from bluray. If that is the case then yes, it will look sharper on a higher resolution screen that does not require software interpolation to fill unused areas.
I'd be willing to bet that if I put two screens side by side and ran an identical video and hid which tablet was which (one at 720p and one at 1080P) you would be hard pressed to determine which is which.
I have buddy's that swear their 1080P tv's are clearer with an HD cable box than they are with a 720P tv. Again, a misnomer. HD cable boxes (at least in Canada) run exclusively at 480P and 720P. There is no cable service in Canada that runs native 1080P. You pretty much need to run a bluray or 4k content to get that resolution "native".
The only place where this may vary is if you are using a tv with a crappy encoding interlacing/deinterlacing engine or an abysmally poor screen. A good 1080P screen vs. a terrible quality 720P screen may actually look better with 720P content because the tv is doing a better job at conversion.
On 8" tablets, it is moot. The pixels are so small to begin with (and most of the screens are made by one of 3 companies) that screen quality will not come into play.

I got my G Tab 8.3 on Friday for 200 British pounds. The tablet had the widely common 7 light bleed so I informed amazon and they sent me a replacement.
On Saturday I received the replacement, which unfortunately also had the light bleeding issue so I started to think if I should ask them for another replacement, ask LG to fix it or simply return it.
Today, Sunday I decided to return both LG G Pads and I bought the Galaxy Tab 3 8" for 130 British pounds.
As everyone knows the Galaxy Tab 3 8" has less resolution, worst cpu, worst gpu and less ram. But the screen is still pretty good, the speakers are better and the performance is still very good even with games like Asphalt 8.
In my opinion and considering that the light bleeding issue on the G Pad 8.3 is the common thing, I would suggest to go for the Galaxy Tab 3 8" if the price difference between both products is big (like it was in my case).
The Galaxy Tab 3 8" is worst, that's true. But it still performs pretty well and it doesn't have manufacture issues.
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Nexus 7 v2 hands down
N7v2 is the thing. If you are a technical person, do yourself a favor and read http anandtech.com/show/7231/the-nexus-7-2013-review (not just the summary - soldier on through the whole thing, it is interesting read). - UPDATE I cannot post urls, so had to mangle it
If you are not a geek. First thing first. Disclosure: I work for google (although not android core). With that out of the way, I've handled fair number of devices and feel comfortable sharing my experiences.
Tablets: I own lg gpad 8.3 proper (v500, not the gpe). It feels cheaply made - bill of materials... is not nice. Software is even worse: jerky, slow, and has a ton of crap(ware) that neither I nor you will ever need, yet there is no way to remove it. Sigh. gpad spec-sheet looks ok but as OEM LG managed to drive that device into ground. I hang around here mostly to see if it possible to run gpe software on it, but no dice so far, and even if they manage to do it - the update story is less than clear. I also own n7v2.
Samsung: do not touch(wiz). I do not own latest galaxy tab, but had previous models - forced myself to use it for about 2 weeks and gave it away to extended family. Could not stand touchwiz, slow, crapware - the usual complaints. I had Nexus 10 - nicely made device, but priced a bit too steep for my taste. On the phone front I owned nexus s, galaxy nexus, and galaxy s4 gpe from samsung. Passable experience but still not as smooth and fast as even nexus4, let alone nexus5. For the life of me I do not get why anyone would pay almost twice as much and have a worse experience than nexus5. General takeaway: samsung highest end products are fairly competent, but waaaay overpriced and perform oftentimes worse than competitors. Anything below highest end - do not bother.
N7v2 has the best BOM (bill of materials), touch latency and color reproduction. It is smooth, it is lean. The only real competitor to n7v2 out there [in my mind] is tegra note or tegra pad - whatever it is named now - it is EVGA made device and it gives n7 run for its money. The rest is... [to paraphrase coworker] suboptimal.
That said, if you absolutely must have 8" - go with gpad gpe. I generally do not recommend samsung products to friends and family (for full price). If you get it for third of the price - like I said, their highest end is competent. But I personally recommend GPe devices on play store - no extra crap, smooth-er experience than OEM versions, but unless you have specific requirements - get a nexus. Also read up on tegra pad - it is a bit different device but worth mentioning.
Cheers, -e

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N7v2 is the thing. If you are a technical person, do yourself a favor and read http anandtech.com/show/7231/the-nexus-7-2013-review (not just the summary - soldier on through the whole thing, it is interesting read). - UPDATE I cannot post urls, so had to mangle it
If you are not a geek. First thing first. Disclosure: I work for google (although not android core). With that out of the way, I've handled fair number of devices and feel comfortable sharing my experiences.
Tablets: I own lg gpad 8.3 proper (v500, not the gpe). It feels cheaply made - bill of materials... is not nice. Software is even worse: jerky, slow, and has a ton of crap(ware) that neither I nor you will ever need, yet there is no way to remove it. Sigh. gpad spec-sheet looks ok but as OEM LG managed to drive that device into ground. I hang around here mostly to see if it possible to run gpe software on it, but no dice so far, and even if they manage to do it - the update story is less than clear. I also own n7v2.
Samsung: do not touch(wiz). I do not own latest galaxy tab, but had previous models - forced myself to use it for about 2 weeks and gave it away to extended family. Could not stand touchwiz, slow, crapware - the usual complaints. I had Nexus 10 - nicely made device, but priced a bit too steep for my taste. On the phone front I owned nexus s, galaxy nexus, and galaxy s4 gpe from samsung. Passable experience but still not as smooth and fast as even nexus4, let alone nexus5. For the life of me I do not get why anyone would pay almost twice as much and have a worse experience than nexus5. General takeaway: samsung highest end products are fairly competent, but waaaay overpriced and perform oftentimes worse than competitors. Anything below highest end - do not bother.
N7v2 has the best BOM (bill of materials), touch latency and color reproduction. It is smooth, it is lean. The only real competitor to n7v2 out there [in my mind] is tegra note or tegra pad - whatever it is named now - it is EVGA made device and it gives n7 run for its money. The rest is... [to paraphrase coworker] suboptimal.
That said, if you absolutely must have 8" - go with gpad gpe. I generally do not recommend samsung products to friends and family (for full price). If you get it for third of the price - like I said, their highest end is competent. But I personally recommend GPe devices on play store - no extra crap, smooth-er experience than OEM versions, but unless you have specific requirements - get a nexus. Also read up on tegra pad - it is a bit different device but worth mentioning.
Cheers, -e
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Except no Micro SD, no IR Blaster on the N7. I owned both the 2012 and the latest iteration as well. Without a doubt the best 7" tablet out. Samsung's 7" models have always been sub par (except the Tab 7.0+ which was actually pretty decent for when it was out).
The thing is, comparing an 8" and a 7" tablet is kind of pointless. They are different size brackets. It's like comparing a compact car to a mid sized sedan. The extra inch of real estate (and narrow bezels on the Samsung and LG 8" tablets) makes for quite a difference in usage.
The G Pad feels cheaply made? I thought you owned one... The aluminum back makes it the most premium Android tablet to date and is very similar in quality to the IPad Mini. The Nexus 7 does not even come close in build quality. Seeing as the G Pad is selling for $250 currently, it is definitely a better deal if you were to compare them directly.
Screen, I have to say I agree with you there. The LG picture is excellent, great color saturation but it's far too dim for my taste while the N7v2 is incredibly bright.
Also software on the LG, most of the junk can be disabled or uninstalled outright. I was quite surprised/pleased by how much I could turn off. I currently have around 1.15 GB of free RAM at any given time.
Going back to my prior comment about size though. Once you go to an 8" tablet, personally I could never go back to a 7". It's just too small for web browsing. Reading and video playback is fine but the extra real estate makes a big difference elsewhere.
There is a reason Apple has sold millions of 7.9" Mini's and that every other manufacturer has jumped on the 8" form factor- it is the sweet spot for tablets. There is an 8" Nexus pending as well.

Seriously, what the hell? Cheaply made feel? Your out of your mind. The Gpad' body is premium buddy. The 600 processor is fast as hell. The ips display is beautiful. The reason you don't see that many roms is because stock and xposed is down right amazing.