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UPDATE: I had to take the videos down for the moment at Samsung's request. There is information that they are about to change some design features and specs, but I don't know when and what exactly. I'm sorry for the situation, but I assure you I'll post them back as soon as I get word of it! Thank you for your interest and patience
I've had the chance to play around with the Note 10.1, that's the tablet with the S Pen. The reason they've delayed the release is that they've changed it dramatically since the preview at the MWC. It now has a 1.4GHz quadcore processor (I think it's the Exynos on the SIII), a 5 MP camera (instead of the 3.15) and the back got a hyperglazed finish just as the SIII. I've had the pebble blue one and I'm not sure if there is a marble white one.
The S Pen is much bigger than the Note 5.3 (looks EXACTLY the same), but smaller than the model shown at the MWC and it now fits inside a vertical hole in the lower left side. An amazing software feature is the Photoshop Touch app which is brilliant (as you may see in my video).
Here are my videos:
Short hands on presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eueOIjW5cIo
S Pen and Photoshop Touch review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0b0SRT_D74
It's an astonishing device, clearly stepping way higher in the high end line and it works like a charm. If you have questions feel free to ask, but unfortunately I no longer have it to do extra demos.
Which is the resolution? Still stuck at that 1280x800??
Yes, but I had no problem with it. At 150 ppi it's quite ok in my opinion.
If the resolution will be the same it will not compete with the ipad and will not sell well and i will not buy it either.
Thanks for the videos! This is a first day purchase for me. Any news on the release date?
Even 1920x1080 are too low for a 10.1. To compete with ipad visual quality they can barely put this resolution into a 8.9, but for a 10.1... no way it's too low.
Omg, Samsung is fond of low ppi especially if fullRGB, yes it's cheaper to build but OMG!
Unfortunately I have no such info, but given the fact that *I* (not some hotshot official) had access to one, it can't be far.
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Even 1920x1080 are too low for a 10.1. To compete with ipad visual quality they can barely put this resolution into a 8.9, but for a 10.1... no way it's too low.
Omg, Samsung is fond of low ppi especially if fullRGB, yes it's cheaper to build but OMG!
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BS.
1920x1080 is normal-sized monitor HD resolution, to say it's too low for a 10.1" screen is beyond ridiculous.
iPhone's "Retina" resolution is completely worthless on a useless 3.5", iPad's "Retina" display is overkill. The higher the resolution the better... up to a point.
Beyond that you are just paying a weight and power consumption (and also brightness in the case of the Ipad) penalty without getting your worth (the higher the resolutions the less your eye is able to see the difference).
Full HD resolution on a 10.1" would be ideal.
P.S. "Samsung is fond of low ppi"??
The Galaxy Tab 10.1's PPI is over 10% higher than the iPad2's.
Great. Thanks for the videos. I really look forward to a launch. Hopefully very soon. I aim for this to be my note-taken tool at work. I hope it will live up to that and be usefull. (Not hand click when using the pen etc.).
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BS.
1920x1080 is normal-sized monitor HD resolution, to say it's too low for a 10.1" screen is beyond ridiculous.
iPhone's "Retina" resolution is completely worthless on a useless 3.5", iPad's "Retina" display is overkill. The higher the resolution the better... up to a point.
Beyond that you are just paying a weight and power consumption (and also brightness in the case of the Ipad) penalty without getting your worth (the higher the resolutions the less your eye is able to see the difference).
Full HD resolution on a 10.1" would be ideal.
P.S. "Samsung is fond of low ppi"??
The Galaxy Tab 10.1's PPI is over 10% higher than the iPad2's.
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Normal sized monitor is not meant to be used as close as a tablet.
The closer a device is used the higher the ppi should be. For a smartphone pixels start beeing unnoticeable from 320-330ppi. Actually the best job is made by lg with 1280x720 on a 4.3" and 342ppi, higher than apple.
The tablet is meant to be used less close than a phone, so the ppi can be lower, around 250... the value adopted by apple in ipad3.
So for an optimal view the ppi has to be higher. 1280x800 on a 10.1 does mean a too low ppi (maybe not for a monitor, but surely for a tablet).
And yes, I confirm that samsung is fond of low ppi devices. You tell me the higest ppi of a fullRGB display of a Samsung device. FullRGB only, because the pentile matrix trash doesn't worth any talk, you know that at ppi being equal the visual quality of a pentile is much lower due to less subpixels, so i.e. the actual ppi of a 300ppi samoled hd is around 250, but this is something already well known.
Do you have any information about battery life?
i'm thinking about buying a tablet .. and i was comparing between this one and the galaxy tab 2 10.1 .. i'm going to buy it for college use .. to be honest .. i haven't had any tablet before .. it's my first .. and i want recommendations .. which one should i buy .. galaxy note 10.1 or tab 10.1 or go for an ipad 3 ?
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i'm thinking about buying a tablet .. and i was comparing between this one and the galaxy tab 2 10.1 .. i'm going to buy it for college use .. to be honest .. i haven't had any tablet before .. it's my first .. and i want recommendations .. which one should i buy .. galaxy note 10.1 or tab 10.1 or go for an ipad 3 ?
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The tab 2 10.1 is painfully slow. It's disappointing because it could have been a much better option if they had just put in a better processor (I know the tablet is supposed to be entry level, but the year-old exynos from the s2 would have been better). I'm not a huge gamer, but I do want a tablet that runs without much lag out of the box. I also want to play HD video files without frame skipping and the tab 2 10.1 isn't very good for this either.
As far as the other 2, it depends on you. The new ipad is nice. It's fast and has a fantastic display. My brother in law has one and absolutely loves it.
Personally, I usually gravitate towards android (and samsung). The note 10.1 doesn't have the PPI of the ipad, but it can fully display 720p hd video which is good enough for me. The screen is also a little bigger (than the ipad). Memory expansion is nice through microsd and the US version should have the IR blaster to use as a universal remote. The potential of using the s-pen for note taking and drawing is also a big plus for me. The quad core processor should also be able to handle just about whatever you throw at it (at least for a couple of years).
I wish the resolution was higher. I hate the display on my Tab 10.1, there's a distinct lack of clarity.
Probably gonna exchange my tab10.1 for the Note10.1
Hope it will launch soon, any rumours on that subject?
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That ppi is still ridiculous. Either they increase it till around 250, or sammy will get only low end customers.
But since they still use that crappy ppi on high end smartphones, I guess they are not able to increase the ppi in a tablet.
How close do you hold a tablet? How far do you sit from a monitor? For me it's only a few inches difference in usage? i sit approx arms length away from my monitors and hold my tablet only a few inches closer than that (arms slightly bent)
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The tab 2 10.1 is painfully slow. It's disappointing because it could have been a much better option if they had just put in a better processor (I know the tablet is supposed to be entry level, but the year-old exynos from the s2 would have been better). I'm not a huge gamer, but I do want a tablet that runs without much lag out of the box. I also want to play HD video files without frame skipping and the tab 2 10.1 isn't very good for this either.
As far as the other 2, it depends on you. The new ipad is nice. It's fast and has a fantastic display. My brother in law has one and absolutely loves it.
Personally, I usually gravitate towards android (and samsung). The note 10.1 doesn't have the PPI of the ipad, but it can fully display 720p hd video which is good enough for me. The screen is also a little bigger (than the ipad). Memory expansion is nice through microsd and the US version should have the IR blaster to use as a universal remote. The potential of using the s-pen for note taking and drawing is also a big plus for me. The quad core processor should also be able to handle just about whatever you throw at it (at least for a couple of years).
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well then the tab 2 10.1 is out of the race .. now the iPad 3 And The Note 10.1 .. so your recommendation is to have the note 10.1 right?
That's what I'm going with, but i don't think there's really a wrong choice
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I'm amused by all the comments linking the tablet to the low end of the market simply due to the low ppi. Clearly, everyone has different requirements out of a device. By putting a stylus on a 10" tablet, Samsung attained my personal "Shut up and take my money!" threshold. **** PPI, do you know how incredibly, mind blowingly useful a stylus is? As soon as I can figure out where to buy this thing, I'm buying it. I've been begging for a full sized tablet with a stylus ever since the original Note came out. This is my actual dream come true.
It is rumored that the Galaxy Note 2 will arrive somewhere around October. I'm pretty sure all you G Note lovers will pick up the new one so here is the question:
What do specs do you want in the next Galaxy Note?
Me:
Better processor - Quadcore
More Ram - 2GB
Bigger Battery - 3500-4000 mAh
Better screen density (PPI) - Over 300
Led Notifier
New Touchwiz
Better camera - 12mp or more. Manual focus in video recording.
Physical Camera Button
Larger S Pen - Or a free S-Pen Holder kit.
Curved Design i.e Galaxy S3/ Better ergonomics
Thickness same or less but not more.
Screen size perfect. Should stay same or 0.1/2 inches bigger is fine.
Higher speaker volume.
Better build quality - Back cover fells cheap and very breakable.
Kickstand
Thats basically all I can think of at the moment.
well most of it will happen by default
coz it will be a successor of S3....
5,000 mAh Battery...removable
Stereo Speakers
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Front facing stereo speakers.
CPU fast enough to decode high definition flash videos. (e.g. it can't stream HD videos from iPlayer)
Better audio quality, it's the biggest down point of the phone i'd say.
Blacks screen issue resolved
2gb of ram, i am pissed everytime that my note goes below 100mb free and starts to struggle taking 30 seconds to react in any app.
i totally agree with the ram problem an a better ppi display would be excellent the cause the low ppi screen the iphone looks sharper than note
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Hey guys i need help with this list, i have never used a LG phone, Im listing the advantages of both plz let me know if i have left something out
Galaxy Note 2
S Pen
microSD, up to 64 GB
Stereo FM
True Blacks (AMOLED Display)
Air View
64 GB storage
Split Screen Mode
Simultaneous Video & Image Recording
Removable Battery
Optimus G Pro
13MP Camera
Lighter
1080p Resolution
Higher PPI
Brighter Display (IPS Display)
True Whites (IPS Display)
Adobe Flash Built In
2.4 MP Front Camera
Slimmer Bezel
Curved Glass
Definitely g pro or xperia z if you can afford or s4 if you can wait.
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I've seen a lot of people post "true blacks" and "true whites" for IPS, blacks on the latest generation Samoled are actually getting brighter as compared to the Galaxy S, Whites on the IPS on the other hand are a bit of a blue shade (cool color tone) but thats just preference and I really like the whites on IPS compared to Samoled.
With that said, Im also interested on the Optimus Go Pro see if it can give the Note 2 a beating!
13mp pixel does not make the camera better. The colors are better and low light is MUCH better on Samsung.
I have a note 2 and was deciding for a while between those exact phones. I was worried about the screen... but it looks beautiful.
One thing weird though... you have to go into the android settings menu and go to "display" change the screen mode to neutral. The standard colors on the screen are way too cartoony. I do not know what this is default. It almost made me not get the phone until I saw that this can be changed.
I like the Note II's screen size actually if slightly larger better yet,so what is the size of the LG comparing to the Note,if its smaller I understand why you have failed to mention...
wait for Galaxy IV
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Hey guys i need help with this list, i have never used a LG phone, Im listing the advantages of both plz let me know if i have left something out
Galaxy Note 2
S Pen
microSD, up to 64 GB
Stereo FM
True Blacks (AMOLED Display)
Air View
64 GB storage
Split Screen Mode
Simultaneous Video & Image Recording
Removable Battery
Optimus G Pro
13MP Camera
Lighter
1080p Resolution
Higher PPI
Brighter Display (IPS Display)
True Whites (IPS Display)
Adobe Flash Built In
2.4 MP Front Camera
Slimmer Bezel
Curved Glass
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theres not a single valid reason there on Gpro that beats up the note.. probably if you mention 5,6" screen..? does it have it? oh wait its less than 5" meaning its considered a downgrade for any note owner and.. for the record.. its an LG and it runs ICS still and it has a locked down bootloader](meaning no custom roms at all), with LG your device most likely will end up its life with the same OS it came out.. and all the things I mentioned are the main reasons of WHY never in your life get an LG lol.. heck even the nexus model its having hard times hehe
it's clear if you put this post in this thread it's sure the people tell you that samsung is the best. I prefer samsung.
Dude what are you talking about this phone is 5.5 in your thinking of the first optimus G
Cant we have true blacks & true whites at the same time..?
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You've already answered it yourself. You listed all the nice features that make the Note 2 worthy, but you only listed hardware specs that aren't really that noticeable (1080p vs 720p is still not a big difference - refer to reviews of you want) and can be disregarded. Adobe flash is easily installable, and the camera on the Note 2 is superior in low light and color reproduction.
From a neutral standpoint, I'd go with N2, namely due to thermal issues on the LG OG Pro, lack of stylus and slow updates by LG.
Oh, and did I mention unlocked bootloader out of the box and extremely easy, 15-second root installation?
Extra features on the Optimus g pro
Full hd
13 mpx camera
Snapdragon 600 (the new version)
32gb inbuilt memory
3140 mah battery
But you expect things to get better with new releases. ..the only thing I think is of more in that is the snapdragon 600... rest I don't think much of
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pakure said:
Extra features on the Optimus g pro
Full hd
13 mpx camera
Snapdragon 600 (the new version)
32gb inbuilt memory
3140 mah battery
But you expect things to get better with new releases. ..the only thing I think is of more in that is the snapdragon 600... rest I don't think much of
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It doesn't have the S600, it has the S4 Pro, same as the Xperia Z.
EDIT : Yup, it has the S600, apologies! But still, it comes down to whether you want raw power or useful features.
G Pro vs NoteII
G Pro has 13 MP BIS by Sony(Exmor series) whereas Note 2 has 8MP BIS by Sony.
So obviuosly the LG will be on par or better.
G Pro has 1080p LCD display. Its higher res, better colors. While Note 2 has 720p display with battery efficiency and vibrant colours. Almost same. But the LG wins.
The G Pro has the Snapdragon S4 Pro 600 (even faster) + Adreno320. The Note2 has Exynos Quad + Mali 400 GPU.
On CPU terms the LG is somewhat ahead, but the graphics processor has almost double the performance.
LG wins again.
Note2 has S-Pen2.0. None on the LG Optimus G Pro. Shame
Nifty Samsung bouquet of features like S-Play,Tilt, Direct call. Not there on the LG.
Samsung has a better resale value and service network.
LG will not be easily available and will be quite expensive.
The LG Optimus G Pro is a new product which builds on the great hardware that its predecessor provides. Its obviously better.
But I love the Note 2 more. Its way more functional.
Just my 2 cents.
Doesn't the LG also have wireless charging? Not that much of a difference, but worth noting for some. I still core GN2 or GN8!
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G Pro vs NoteII
G Pro has 13 MP BIS by Sony(Exmor series) whereas Note 2 has 8MP BIS by Sony.
So obviuosly the LG will be on par or better.
G Pro has 1080p LCD display. Its higher res, better colors. While Note 2 has 720p display with battery efficiency and vibrant colours. Almost same. But the LG wins.
The G Pro has the Snapdragon S4 Pro 600 (even faster) + Adreno320. The Note2 has Exynos Quad + Mali 400 GPU.
On CPU terms the LG is somewhat ahead, but the graphics processor has almost double the performance.
LG wins again.
Note2 has S-Pen2.0. None on the LG Optimus G Pro. Shame
Nifty Samsung bouquet of features like S-Play,Tilt, Direct call. Not there on the LG.
Samsung has a better resale value and service network.
LG will not be easily available and will be quite expensive.
The LG Optimus G Pro is a new product which builds on the great hardware that its predecessor provides. Its obviously better.
But I love the Note 2 more. Its way more functional.
Just my 2 cents.
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Better colors on the LG is purely subjective.
Assuming both displays are calibrated correctly then definitely AMOLED. I am not saying IPS is bad.
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Better colors on the LG is purely subjective.
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LCD displays reproduce exact real-life colours, whereas AMOLEDs sometimes saturate colors. But I do get your point. Some people do like vibrant and colorful displays.
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LCD displays reproduce exact real-life colours, whereas AMOLEDs sometimes saturate colors. But I do get your point. Some people do like vibrant and colorful displays.
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We all like vibrant color displays, we'd all have to stick with our old devices if we don't.
@TOPIC - The only thing I don't like with AMOLEDs are the bluish white tones...
There's no doubt newer models of smartphones are designed to out-do the older ones even if the model is just 6-months-old.
If battery life better, go Op Pro!
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Samsung annonced officially, the Samsung Galaxy S4 mini.
it has 4.3" qHD disply, android 4.2.2 but with out most of the features of S4 (like no double shot, no 360 panorama), has S Health but with out S4 sensors like temperature sensor, barometer and humidity sensor
chipset is most likely Snapdragon 400 at 1.7Ghz with 1.5Gb of RAM and internal storage is 8Gb with Micro SD card slot for expanding it.
rest of connectivity options and usual, wifi, bluetooth,GPS with GLONASS etc...
also has IR blaster for remote controlling.
the phone has dimensions of 124.6 x 61.3 x 8.94mm and weighs 107g which is cool
battery is user replacable and is 1900mAh.
no word on pricing. samsung will show it off on June 20 and most likely to reveal pricing then.
available color options are Black Mist and White Frost.
i kinda like it except the qHD screen. it should have been at least 720p but all its success depends on its pricing.
what do u guys think?
The SIII Mini always struck me as a bit pointless, having neither the spec to appeal to those that like phones with a bit of muscle or the price point for those that want a decent phone on a budget. It didn't really satisfy anyone and I have a sneaky feeling we're going to see more of the same with this.
Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.
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Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.
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I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-
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I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-
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It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.
Again like the S3 mini, Samsung is trying to milk more money out of the S4 series but now targeting the mid-range side. Average consumers will probably buy this as there is an "S4" tag on it and is much cheaper than it's big brother.
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It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.
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I don't think you understand my opinion, maybe due to my bad English. To say clearer, what I mean is the Note 2's screen's scale is basically the same as Galaxy S3 with the same 320 dpi - zooming from 4.8 to 5.55 inch. This means, a same font of texts, a word with a length of 120 pixels on S3 (1/6 of the total length) is still 120 pixels on Note 2 (also 1/6 of the total length), but 15.625% bigger in real-size (what you actually see). So is the result is what you can see clear on S3, you can see it CLEARER on Note 2. That's is the technichque Samsung usually implements, like on Note 8.0 that make it much more sharper than iPad mini in browsing. If we compare a same line of texts with 5mm of "real size", the result from a screen like One X basically has 18% more pixels to illustrate the detail of the text, which results in being clearer than Note 2. And if you really have a Note 2 (i'm using it), when visiting some websites in desktop mode (like xda forum, lol), the text is very small and not crisp anymore.
But how about Galaxy S4 Mini? "The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp"? OK, now we will consider the same thing as Note 2 above. For a line of texts equivalent to 1/6 total length of the screen, it takes only 93.33 pixels, which means noticeably less than S3 and Note 2 with smaller "real size" also, so it cannot be as sharp as S3. And in fact, Samsung did rescale from 320dpi to 240 dpi on Galaxy S4 Mini, which also means for a same font of texts, the number of pixels for displaying increases about 15.3%, so from 93.33 pixels I said above now it is appox. 108 pixels, which is not too far from Galaxy S3, and the payoff is the screen is cramped. So we cannot say "because Note 2 is sharp so Galaxy S4 Mini is also sharp"
About Pentile screen, it is not totally "nothing more or less than false advertising", but more like "false understanding of the major and the misleading criticisms". Why? Because most of people don't understand what is "Pentile". In fact, this "technology" can ONLY be used on OLED (AMOLED) technogy, which has the uneven luminance and lumious time of different color subpixels. Even experts cannot show the "exactly" ppi of an Pentile Amoled screen (because even with Pentile, different stripes layout leads to different result), while some people try to do an easier way that comparing the total number of subpixels, which is totally false. In fact, Galaxy S4 has 623 subpixels/inch, slightly higher than Blackberry Z10 (615) and iPhone 5 (565), but it is MUCH more sharper and not really different from the normal RGB 1080p screen like Xperia Z.
With Pentile screen, the main culprit of all criticism is not the lack of subpixels, but the uneven scale of pixels (because they're not real pixels) and uneven big-small gaps redundant. That's why they call the subpixels layout of S4 is innovative while still Pentile, because it is much much better than the traditional matrix on Galaxy S3 and together with the high ppi reduces most of Pentile problem (in fact, with traditional matrix, even with 441 ppi probably there will be something there)
Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??
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Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??
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No, the sensor isn't there.
i wish this could be my next phone
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
mpokwsths said:
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.
mpokwsths said:
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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Me too
But only if i will find it around to 300€ in next months, and if there will be a good support on XDA
Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?
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Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?
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Not at the moment. MHL isn't supported either.
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It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.
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No info. There isn't a root for the 9190 yet - the 9192 and 9195 procedures do not work on the 9190 and will probably brick your device.
hello, does anyone know when this phone will be available in the usa? can not find any info on this
if this is in the wrong forum please move, thanks
Which phone should i buy? sIII or s4 mini
Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated
Whosat said:
Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated
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No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development
soraxx said:
No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development
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Hmm, you've mentioned the main benefit of getting the S3 I guess.
Also, the S3 has quad-core as opposed to the dual-core S4 mini. S3 has 1 GB of ram only though.
There are also more accessories for the S3 than for the S4 mini because the mini has a smaller market and is also a newer device.
can anyone tell me which phone is best for gaming s4 or note 2?
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both are good..
Since 4 is obviously a bigger number than 2, I would test them both yourself and then decide which you like best.
Personally I will go for note2..
There isn't any game that lags in note2
Battery-3100mah, undoubtedly above good
processor-very good(quad core)
Ram-2gb (same as s4)
Why not s4? Here's why-
Expensive than note2
Poor battery compared to note2
Phone heats up very quickly on hard gaming(it becomes so hot u can't even touch it)
Small screen(depends on u)
Not actual octa core (2Xquad core)
Rest is ur decision..I investigated a lot before choosing among both and then bought note2
S4 is more powerful in benchmark results so i guess it will be good for gaming
5 inch screen is not too small lol and also screen resolution of S4 is 1020 while its 720 in note 2
S4 is easy to hold with one hand for one hand operation i.e typing/texting
the only advantage of note is bigger battery and extra 0.5 inch screen
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can anyone tell me which phone is best for gaming s4 or note 2?
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S4 cause it has better CPU and more important a faaar better gpu(the essential part for gaming) that support also OpenGL 3.0 +better display.
Note 2 also has good points (bigger screen and better battery) but overall the s4 is better for games.
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Well the S4 has more than twice as many pixels to shuffle around so it really needs the extra power. While the S4 has a sharper display (441ppi vs 265ppi) the Note2 is slightly bigger (5,5" vs 5.0"). If you have no need for the S-Pen I'd say, go with the S4... just make sure to keep a spare battery available.
Anyway I'd suggest you to wait for the s4 advanced,that will have a massively better gpu and a 20/25% better CPU(s800) or if you can get the the s4 lte-a (same as the s4 advanced but already on the market, HK and Korea only) that it is also 32gb ver.
IMO the best thing to do is wait a month to buy the s800 devices that will come out(Xperia z1,lg g2, note 3, nexus "5", and the htc one max)
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The Note 2 has a bigger screen but less pixels, s4 a small screen with more pixels. So the video peformance is not very different because the s4 needs more power to manage those extra pixels. And of course personal preference.
simply wait for Note 3 :good:
The battery on the Note 2 will easily last more than a full day even if you use your phone a lot. When I had the s4 it struggled to get to the end of the day. The 1080p screen uses a lot more juice than the 720p on the Note.
S4 is more powerful for gaming though that being said the Note 2 is still a beast.
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I've said this before, and I'll say this again,. you won't notice a difference in 720p vs 1080p unless you obsess over it and has a perfect vision. I have seen nothing different comparing both hand in hand, text is slightly crisper if you are being very anal about it. What you ought to consider though is price, if you use it for gaming, and the screen real estate vs one handed use.
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The Note 2 has a bigger screen but less pixels, s4 a small screen with more pixels. So the video peformance is not very different because the s4 needs more power to manage those extra pixels. And of course personal preference.
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But you have to consider that most games are played at 720p even on the sgs4 so the difference(even at native resolution) is huge.
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Yosecret said:
The Note 2 has a bigger screen but less pixels, s4 a small screen with more pixels. So the video peformance is not very different because the s4 needs more power to manage those extra pixels. And of course personal preference.
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Actually the case is not as simple as "1080p is 2.25 times more pixels than 720p"..
Let's count Sub-pixels on Note 2; there are 3 sub-pixel for each pixel thus giving us the number of 3 x 720 x 1280 = 2764800
Let's count sub-pixels on S4; there are one blue sub-pixel for every pixel and there are one red and green sub-pixel for every two! pixels giving us the number 1920 x 1080 = 2073600 blue sub-pixels, 1920 x 1080 x 2(for red+green)/2(for sub-pixel sharing)=2073600.
In total = 2073600+2073600=4147200 sub-pixels.
The expected ratio= 2.25
The real ratio= 4147200/2764800=1.5
Still, the GPU has to push every image rendering for a 1080p calculation. This is why the power is wasted. It calculates everything 2.25 times more than a 720p GPU just to be able to draw it inon a 1.5 times sharper screen.
I am not against a 720p pentile screen because it pushes the 300ppi barrier so it can be more sharper for human eye in certain conditions, however a 1080p pentile screen with a "false/fake" 441ppi is just overkill for both the battery and the GPU..
I had the same choice. But am not a big gamer.
Went for the note 2 because:
- better battery
- bigger screen
- S pen
- cheaper
Also see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42623715
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khankk42 said:
can anyone tell me which phone is best for gaming s4 or note 2?
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There are obvious (minor) plusses and minuses to either one in terms of gaming. I think you should take everything that's been said and determine whats most important for you to have...bigger screen, more pixels, better CPU, etc. I game but wouldn't classify myself as a big gamer...I've used both and I think the experience is comparable.
For me is better Note 2 for play.. The bigger screen is a big help and is different to see. My friend, when they see me to play, say that like a different phone that theirs HTC one or GS4.. And also, with the same game, i don't see difference about power...
Get a PS3 or an XBOX 360
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Ive gone to s4 from note 2. Not much difference gaming at the min. The screen is brighter on s4 and is sharper but I still miss note 2. Although im feeling better with size in pocket and like design better.
Would I go back to note 2? Yes easily.
Ps battery lasts all day on s4
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Do you like to use MHL to output your phone's screen to a TV? If so, I very briefly got to try my Note 2 vs an S4 a few days ago and the latter struggled in Epic Citadel (as an example). In general terms the Note 2 felt slightly smoother everywhere when using MHL too (although the S4 can power the MHL adapter by itself which was quite a cool feature, though obviously the battery nose dived pretty quickly!).