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SD card? Im a Dunce

Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
thanks

tevil said:
Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
thanks
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The SD card is a non removable flash storage device. It's the storage you see when you mount USB storage.
Apps will cache data to the SD card, this is where any downloads go, any picture s or movies you take, etc. It is 16 GB of general storage (separate from the 1GB of internal storage).

Think of it as 'built-in'. For all practical purposes, there is a sdcard, which behaves just as it would on any other android, but you can't remove it. I'm not sure if it is physically part of the internal memory or not. I suspect there is one 16GB chip that is partitioned for internal and /sdcard.
tevil said:
Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
thanks
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i am a bit stumped then. when it gave me the sd capacity it was NO WHERE near 16g's. it was like 800mbs or something. this is why my slacker kept crashing out and giving me a memory error.
is there a way in the OS to see the SD capacity? I had an app that told me but got rid of it cause i think it was also part of the crashing issues i had.
so is what your saying the SD is what you see when you USB your phone to the computer? its that root DIR. In clockwork i can see a USB and SD dir separately i believe but ill have to check again
thanks
on a side note does anyone else have slacker issues. this is how the entire subject came up to me anyway

tevil said:
i am a bit stumped then. when it gave me the sd capacity it was NO WHERE near 16g's. it was like 800mbs or something. this is why my slacker kept crashing out and giving me a memory error.
is there a way in the OS to see the SD capacity? I had an app that told me but got rid of it cause i think it was also part of the crashing issues i had.
so is what your saying the SD is what you see when you USB your phone to the computer? its that root DIR. In clockwork i can see a USB and SD dir separately i believe but ill have to check again
thanks
on a side note does anyone else have slacker issues. this is how the entire subject came up to me anyway
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Slacker works fine for me, always has (outside of it's poor ability to precache the next song).
For Storage go to Settings -> Storage. USB storage is the SD card.

What space you see when you plug in the NS to your computer's USB is the SD card.
It is not the root folder of the whole phone.
Under the "Settings -> Storage" window on your phone, the "USB Storage" is we are calling the SD card.
The Internal Storage is what the phone needs itself.
Here is mine:
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Because of all the music on my NS & the fact almost all my apps are there too, I am sucking up approx 3 gigs of SD or USb storage space.
The NS is sucking up approx 800megs of space, of the 1 gig available to it.
As for your Slacker issues, Although I am not familiar with this application, have you tried just reinstalling it.
Heeter

cool thanks guys.
just couldnt figure whyd they name something twice.
As for slacker i beleive it was a mix of
juice defender (which i may try again solo to see if its really that good)
ad blocker (which was jsut something i tried but never really needed, good riddance)
and like these two cleaners which i dont remember the names of.
Now i have NG cache cleaner which is nice and my slcaker seems to be normal again
wasnt sure if the adblocker was seeing the commercials in slacker as ads and trying to block them out causing problems so i got rid of that first.
as the other guy said the pre chaching was HORRIBLE at times making me think the app locked. but after those removals it worked fine with occassional lag betweensongs

[SEMI-SOLVED]Use USB OTG as default sd[SEMI-SOLVED]

I'd been trying to find a way To use the USB OTG as the default sdcard. But everything I see simply allows for it to be used as storage. This method will allow you to install apps to it, using the thumb drive as default storage. Essentially I believe it does what android x86 does when it allows you to set the HDD as an sdcard, just uses apps to accomplish it. I didn't make any of these apps and the idea isn't really mine either, heard it from someone else.
1 - Format your USB Drive to ntfs
2 - download and install ParagonNTFS
3 - download and install NtfsSd
4 - Plug in your USB drive, open paragonNTFS, and go to settings-->check and fix, then mount the drive
*the check and fix will tell you the path to the USB drive /Dev/block/xxxxxx (probably /dev/block/sda1)*
5 - open NtfsSd and go to menu-->preferences
6 - change Mount device to /Dev/block/xxxxxx (gotten in step 4, and again, probably /dev/block/sda1)
7 - make sure external storage is set to /storage/sdcard0
8 - click mount in NtfsSd
Enjoy the storage
ISSUES I'VE COME ACROSS
---You cannot currently see BOTH the built in storage and USB storage at the same time, its either one or the other. I personally resolved that by copying the contents of my internal storage to my USB drive prior to mounting it in NtfsSd
---In order to get back to your internal storage you have to unmount in NtfsSd FIRST, then unmount in ParagonNTFS
IF YOU CANNOT SEE YOUR INTERNAL STORAGE AFTER UNMOUNTING THE USB DRIVE SIMPLY REBOOT YOUR NEXUS BY HOLDING THE POWER BUTTON FOR 30 SECONDS

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This seems awesome but you would always have to keep in the usb drive right?
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azoller1 said:
This seems awesome but you would always have to keep in the usb drive right?
Sent from my VS920 4G using Tapatalk 2
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Only as long as you want to use the extra storage. The biggest issue I have is that when I want to charge I can't use the USB storage at the same time lol. So I in plug it, charge it, then mount the storage again

Sounds really cool, but how are your I/O speeds? I know it will probably vary greatly from person to person due to the differences between USB cables and drives, but just wondering what your personal experience has been.

According to antutu benchmark I'm getting 8.5 MB/s write and 13.5 MB/s read. Normally I get about 20 MB/s read/write off the USB storage. Like you said, I'm sure different cables and different drives(especially different drives) would change that

lp894 said:
According to antutu benchmark I'm getting 8.5 MB/s write and 13.5 MB/s read. Normally I get about 20 MB/s read/write off the USB storage. Like you said, I'm sure different cables and different drives(especially different drives) would change that
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Not bad, thats higher than I expected. Thanks for this, its pretty cool! May do it one day when I run out of space on this trusty 8gb

rohan32 said:
Not bad, thats higher than I expected. Thanks for this, its pretty cool! May do it one day when I run out of space on this trusty 8gb
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I meant I normally get about 20 MB/s on the built-in storage so the USB storage averages about half of that...which isn't terrible. and unless i'm doing anything super intensive i don't see why i'd need much faster speeds. that's still 68mbps write and 108mbps read. Still can play HD video, I haven't tried any games or anything yet though. I plan to download a large game(probably Batman) and see how that runs off of the USB.

this would be awesome for games that take up Huge amounts of storage .. most are now getting 1.3 gb and more...

erica_renee said:
this would be awesome for games that take up Huge amounts of storage .. most are now getting 1.3 gb and more...
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Games especially since the movies and music you could already store on your usb drive and use the standard OTG method. Like you said though, games are easily 1gb+ and on an 8gb device(which I have) space quickly becomes a hot commodity lol

Hello I have just registered to say thank you for the guide, also I have figured out how to switch back to internal storage without rebooting.
You have to just make sure that every app that has been run while USB in is force closed in app info, I was having problems with drive getting corrupted every time but since doing this It has been fine.
Also I noticed on some custom ROMs eg, paranoid android, omega kaos, it automounts anyway without paragon in storage and gets confused you have to unmount in storage settings and manually mount in paragon then NTFS SD, then unmount again in storage settings, winning
Thanks I was trying to use external to internal SD app on play store to do whole card swap but after a reboot all apps that were installed would be disappeared as that app didnt seem to work for me like it has for three other devices, maybe in conjunction with this guide it may work but I'm happy now and been upgrading redownloading apps for a week I won't be messing with it till I have to.
Thanks again,
P.s anyway to edit ROM so it doesn't system mount as I could not get NTFS SD to work without paragon, says 3g-mount busy or unavailable
Edit, I had problems with permissions using this method, been using script method but just mounted whole sdcard/android been running sweet since, just have to click script when needed. Copied over android folder from sdcard to USB etc first if not fresh system.
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Replying to kinda mark the thread and say thanks.
I will be doing this to a Android TV(Android on a stick) iMito MX1 that I ordered. it only has 8Gb for internal storage so it's limited. I have several hard drives lying around and am going to hook a 500Gb one up to the unit and see if this will kick over from internal to the hard drive. If it works then I will have tons of space to download all the big games to play on my TV with a controller of mouse KB combo
I hope this works.

This seems like a great way for us tightwads who got the 8gb version to get some space, lol. Should work well with games as long as the i/o speeds don't cause lag.

hi, what kernel should i use to make ntfssd work?

somebody needs to go develop a rubberized protective case/sleeve (like what google sells) with an included 64GB sd card and a built in OTG USB plug that slips right into the miniUSB on the N7... wouldn't that be cool, especially if it mounted and unmounted automatically upon plug in, and allowed for the installation of large APPs extra data packages!

does this work on 4.2.1 ?

Nope doesnt work un 4.2.1 se need and update
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mount option
Hey what I choose when mount in paragon NTFS
Either automatic mounting
Or
Advanced choose option to mount

Hi,
anybody still using this approach? I was trying to follow the instruction but I did not succeed. I was not able to mount my ntfs-formated usbstick on Android 5.

@Ip894 Please upload a video regarding the steps .. thanks

tablet z Lollipop feedback

Hi everyone!
Please post here your opinions / problems / enhances and all that you find useful to share about the new born Android on our beautiful machines

Does the lilipop arrived yet to the z tablet? Mine hás no update yet :/

It has just arrived to Portugal. I had the notification on mine like one hour ago but will only install it during the weekend.
You just will have to wait for your turn....

I didn't wait and flashed the TW version. Pretty good in my opinion.

That update method is just too much trouble for me lol!
What differences did you feel? Faster? More battery life? Can you download stuff directly to your micro SD card now?

Settings force close when I open it in ultra stamina mode.
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The battery decreases when using the tablet and charging it (Very Light usage minimum brightness)"Flashed the fw twice.
And It'll decrease Really fast that it will give me a warning about it for just using Tapatalk and Facebook.Didn't have this problem on CM.
For the performance I can't compare it to the previous build cuz I'm on CM for months. I can say it's OK but not smooth and buttery like CM.
Having latest Sony apps, Themes and the remote back is a nice thing. : )
I was very exited about the ultra stamina mode. But seriously without a mod to add some apps there's almost no point for activating it.
Auto-rotation toggle in portrate mode will be portrait-only then after a second switches to landscape. Weird thing.
There is no white balance anymore.

To me the most annoying thing in Kit Kat was the external SD card writing permitions. You couldn't download stuff directly to it, I hope lollipop allows that.i will install it soon and then post my opinion.

Guys the Lollipop update is excellent. The new interface is really slick. The ART runtime really makes this tablet fly. Sony has breathed new life into our tablets, it's great. There is one click root with kingroot 4.1 as well. I installed the APK and it worked perfectly.

Could you be a litre more specific? Tell us how you feel about battery life, performance, any lag, I read some complaints about rotation mode, SD card permitions....

pafmdsilva said:
Could you be a litre more specific? Tell us how you feel about battery life, performance, any lag, I read some complaints about rotation mode, SD card permitions....
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You expect me to tell you about battery life when I was only using it for a couple of hours? How about you get on your horse, install the update, and tell us yourself.

Just got lollipop a few hours ago.
The update was smooth and I didn't loose any data and all apps still here.
First impression is that lollipop is quite faster than kitkat.
I am enjoying enjoying the new interface. Nice and easy to use.
On the settings menu you will find a few new things like the ultra stamina mode and add guest accounts or add apps to micro SD card but you still can't use your torrent engine to download stuff directly into it...may in a future update.
About battery still can't say cause not enough use.
Overall I am happy with the update mainly because how faster it got.

Just got lollipop a few hours ago.
The update was smooth and I didn't loose any data and all apps still here.
First impression is that lollipop is quite faster than kitkat.
I am enjoying enjoying the new interface. Nice and easy to use.
On the settings menu you will find a few new things like the ultra stamina mode and add guest accounts or add apps to micro SD card but you still can't use your torrent engine to download stuff directly into it...may in a future update.
About battery still can't say cause not enough use.
Overall I am happy with the update mainly because how faster it got.

First impress on lollipop
Smooth upgrade, nothing lost except Clean master widget (expected) although flying broomstick is still floating on my scren
Now I can move apps to SD card. It has released pressure on memory, so tablet behaves much much better.
A bout battery I can not make opinion - too early to say.
In any case GOOD UPGRADE!
Has anybody tested storage encryption? Would like to encrypt, but am little afraid of slowdown (old CPU).
Decryption can be tricky - read about hanging in the middle of process, than only factory reset helps. Data gone... But it was different device...
If anybody has experience please report. Thanks in advance.

Been running 5.02 for a few days now, only issue thus far is my Volume dropped noticeably on my tablet..
Even at Max level its noticeably softer.

move apps to SD - what about app data?
I tried out the move apps to SD card on the new lollipop 5.0.2 for the Tablet Z
(I have the 16Gig wifi).
It moved the app itself to SD, but what it doesn't seem to do is cause the app to put it's data on the SD card.
I have a specific app that downloads and caches an issue of a magazine, so it uses lots of data (900 MB last time I looked), and although some 15MB of app moved to the SD card, none of this data did.
I even tried deleting that month's issue and downloading a different month's issue to see if new downloads would go to SD: nope.
So, while I like the idea of being able to move the apps to SD card, so far it really hasn't proved to be much of a benefit to me because at least 3 GB of my internal storage seems to be taken by cached data (my magazine app, google books, etc) that doesn't seem to want to move to the SD card.
I'm continuously getting the warning notification to move stuff to the SD card to free up space, but I've got very little I can move (a few hundred MB) compared to the several GB of cached app data that won't move.
I'm really thinking I need to get the 32gb version next time around.

francobarber said:
I tried out the move apps to SD card on the new lollipop 5.0.2 for the Tablet Z
(I have the 16Gig wifi).
It moved the app itself to SD, but what it doesn't seem to do is cause the app to put it's data on the SD card.
I have a specific app that downloads and caches an issue of a magazine, so it uses lots of data (900 MB last time I looked), and although some 15MB of app moved to the SD card, none of this data did.
I even tried deleting that month's issue and downloading a different month's issue to see if new downloads would go to SD: nope.
So, while I like the idea of being able to move the apps to SD card, so far it really hasn't proved to be much of a benefit to me because at least 3 GB of my internal storage seems to be taken by cached data (my magazine app, google books, etc) that doesn't seem to want to move to the SD card.
I'm continuously getting the warning notification to move stuff to the SD card to free up space, but I've got very little I can move (a few hundred MB) compared to the several GB of cached app data that won't move.
I'm really thinking I need to get the 32gb version next time around.
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You don't need the 32gb version, you need to know what you are doing. Root your tablet then install link2sd.

warriorking said:
Been running 5.02 for a few days now, only issue thus far is my Volume dropped noticeably on my tablet..
Even at Max level its noticeably softer.
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I think you are right. I almost cannot hear YouTube videos. Damn, this is a pity! For the rest, the tablet works great so far!

warriorking said:
Been running 5.02 for a few days now, only issue thus far is my Volume dropped noticeably on my tablet..
Even at Max level its noticeably softer.
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turkilmaz said:
I think you are right. I almost cannot hear YouTube videos. Damn, this is a pity! For the rest, the tablet works great so far!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-tablet-z/themes-apps/android-5-0-2-volume-boost-mod-t3133122
francobarber said:
I'm continuously getting the warning notification to move stuff to the SD card to free up space, but I've got very little I can move (a few hundred MB) compared to the several GB of cached app data that won't move.
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This function seems to be useless, as it copies only apk files to external SD. Cache and everything else is still on internal SD.

My tablet Z has been given a new lease of life. love lollipop update. It was OTA update as well .
its much smoother now and faster. No noticeable lag. Interface looks more modern now.
Dont hesitate guys and update.
Btw my tablet is stock , not rooted. Been holding out on rooting, glad they gave us lollipop.

Just got Android 6.0... the "use SD Card as internal Storage" feature seems pointless

Just got Android 6.0... the "use SD Card as internal Storage" feature seems pointless
This was a highly touted feature. Especially with our Moto G's that have only 8GB of storage. In Lollipop, we could store all of our media (pictures, videos, files), on the SD Card. Some apps also supported being moved to the SD card. Microsoft Groove, for example doesn't support SD card storage at all. Meaning, if you wanted to download any music, everything would be stored on your internal partition. Obviously, Android M seemed very promising because it looked like we could combine out storages to overcome this.
Fast forward to it now. You can set your SD card as internal storage and it will show up as internal storage. HOWEVER, some apps still cannot be moved there (any app that couldn't be moved before, still can't be moved). Microsoft Groove still resides completely on the primary partition. So if I download too many songs, the 8GB eMMC fills up and I get warnings that I'm out of storage and can't receive messages or have other functions....
I don't get it. What is so special about this? My SD card functions exactly the way that it did under Lollipop. My storage still shows up as 8GB + 32GB SD Card, the way it did before. It's not 40GB internal combined the way it was advertised to be.
Very disappointing.

From what I can see, it encrypts the card so it can only be used by your device.
It told me during setup that it would automatically move apps, data (saved me 155mb), but I haven't tried to move stuff manually.

Other thing I notice is that lets say you move 1 app to the sd card, when that app gets updated it moves back to internal then you need to go and move it manually , and sometimes it doesn't want to move need to reinstall

bobby0724 said:
Other thing I notice is that lets say you move 1 app to the sd card, when that app gets updated it moves back to internal then you need to go and move it manually , and sometimes it doesn't want to move need to reinstall
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Yup! This exact problem existed in Lollipop. I decided to just leave them in internal instead of the hassle of trying to save a few hundred megs all the time.
This feature showed so much promise. For me it was going to be a killer feature. Take an 8GB ROM phone and turn it into a true 40GB ROM phone.

It's important to move the data to sdcard when android prompts you to do so. Because what you select there determines the primary storage.
If you choose to not move the data then internal storage will be primary and everything will get stored in the internal memory, and if you choose to move data then sdcard will be primary.
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This feature showed so much promise. For me it was going to be a killer feature. Take an 8GB ROM phone and turn it into a true 40GB ROM phone.
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This would have been amazing.

bobby0724 said:
Other thing I notice is that lets say you move 1 app to the sd card, when that app gets updated it moves back to internal then you need to go and move it manually , and sometimes it doesn't want to move need to reinstall
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I've noticed that also. Also, if the developer writes the app to install on internal, that's where it will have to reside. One thing I've noticed on the final builds that changed in the soak tests, in the first soak test, you could force non-system apps to SD and could actually move most of them. Some of them would act wonky though and you'd have to move them back.

You guys must not do much gaming. Download a game's 3gb obb file, then tell me it makes no difference tht you have another 32gb, or however big your card is, to store another couple obb files so you can store more than one game.
Now....having said that, there are a couple apps and xposed modules which also allow you to store them directly on the external card, and some even more efficiently....but since this is a native feature now rolled right into the firmware, I expect with time this will swallow up the code used in those apps and modules, and make use of their methods even more efficiently. This is one of thoe features that needs time to mature and find its real true use, but right now if you use it like I do I think you'll find it's a great tool!!
Also, on a side-note....I think it shows as 8+32, or whatever your configuration may be...but I think it shows them separately because they are actually separate physically...just like it would do on a desktop computer with an additional internal hard drive. Imagine, for a second, if it merged them into one single storage device (in the firmware's eyes, at least) then you remove the sd card....all hell would break loose. The device wouldn't know wtf was going on and why suddenly internal storage was chopped to a fraction of its supposed size. It would wreak havoc on everything. Keeping them as separate but viewed as both being internal makes the sd card able to be unmounted without affecting how the firmware runs, with the exception of anything installed or stored on the storage device that you've removed.

Piyush Rawal said:
It's important to move the data to sdcard when android prompts you to do so. Because what you select there determines the primary storage.
If you choose to not move the data then internal storage will be primary and everything will get stored in the internal memory, and if you choose to move data then sdcard will be primary.
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This a million times but everyone seems to be ignoring it.

Just read it and my doubt is : If I will choose "internal", will I need a Google "cloud backup" size equal or greater than my "internal" size, to avoid loosing encrypted data when my SD card end his life? I guess so.
Will this be free of charge or do I need to buy cloud space on a monthly/yearly fee basis?
And what about the data in the cloud? Are they in plain or encrypted? I hope that they are encrypted with device related key, so that when I will swap the card they could be restored.
Hmm... the choice need to be evaluated wisely.

steboni said:
Just read it and my doubt is : If I will choose "internal", will I need a Google "cloud backup" size equal or greater than my "internal" size, to avoid loosing encrypted data when my SD card end his life? I guess so.
Will this be free of charge or do I need to buy cloud space on a monthly/yearly fee basis?
And what about the data in the cloud? Are they in plain or encrypted? I hope that they are encrypted with device related key, so that when I will swap the card they could be restored.
Hmm... the choice need to be evaluated wisely.
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No... Google only backups up settings and personal information like contacts, wallpaper, WiFi passcodes, and stuff like that, and maintains a list of the apps you have installed (not the actual apps or their data). It really doesn't eat into any of your free 15GB of storage, and if you use Google Photos in "high quality" mode, it will eat basically zero of your Drive space.
The information is encrypted, like all Google account information, but the key to it is your just your Google account and password.
Do not confuse device level encryption, SD card encryption, and Google data encryption. They are all different, well device level and SD card encryption are very similar, but your Google data is just kept in Google's standard servers using their normal account encryption tied to your username and password (which is very secure). If you encrypt the SD card, it is tied to that specific device , not your Google account... it will only work in that EXACT phone with the same Google account, to use it in another device you will need to reformat the card.

Got it,... maybe I made wrong assumptions.
Many thanks for your kind explanations.
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My new Moto G arrived yesterday and I rooted, etc., and added a 32GB SD card as "internal storage" using the new Marshmallow feature. TWRP has the capability to store backups to the SD card adaptive storage built into it.....nice. This will save a ton of space. By the way, it took a bit of searching to find the TWRP backup, because what TWRP reports as the backup Folder (external_sd/media/..). Is not where it is in the filesystem. It is actully located in
/mnt/expand/...
But wait, this storage is not visible by my computer, so there is no way to copy the TWRP backup to my external drive like I have done in the past.......Wonderful.
What I would like to do now is store my my biggest storage hog, music files, onto the SD card. However, Google Play Music does not support adaptive internal storage. Didn't Google develop Marshmallow...I don't get it. Does anyone have a workaround?
EDIT (02-02-2016): So I reached out to the developers of two of the top aftermarket paid music player apps and it became clear yesterday that they have no clue about how adaptive storage works so I see no hope at this time for any music player that allows me to store songs onto the SD card using "internal storage". For now I have to store the songs the old way, on the phones main memory, which leaves me almost no space left on the phone......Wonderful. That was the whole intent of buying this phone.

Yeah its bad. I wrote some mails to the Google Play Music team. Maybe they fix/support it asap
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So is this feature not working as it should? I only got the 8gb version in an hope the sd card could be used for all apps instead of internal. It seems to install to internal just the same and only the option to move some apps. It is totally pointless to the point I will have to sell the moto g and get something with bigger internal storage.

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So is this feature not working as it should? I only got the 8gb version in an hope the sd card could be used for all apps instead of internal. It seems to install to internal just the same and only the option to move some apps. It is totally pointless to the point I will have to sell the moto g and get something with bigger internal storage.
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All apps won't install to the SD. System apps are on internal and developers can specify that other apps must install on internal. Also some widgets won't work correctly if their apps are moved to SD.

Tel864 said:
All apps won't install to the SD. System apps are on internal and developers can specify that other apps must install on internal. Also some widgets won't work correctly if their apps are moved to SD.
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Shame only waited for MM before buying the moto G 2015 8g (got it today) for the sd card feature. It's no better than it's ever been and renders the 8g version completely useless imo.

waj1234 said:
Shame only waited for MM before buying the moto G 2015 8g (got it today) for the sd card feature. It's no better than it's ever been and renders the 8g version completely useless imo.
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Yeah, it's not quite what everyone thought it would be. I bought a larger SD card just for that feature and honestly, an 8gb card would probably handle all the apps I have that will actually move. Out of the 60 or so apps I have installed, only 10 are on the SD card. Some of those like Dropbox are real space hogs, Dropbox uses 64mb by itself and it won't install on the SD.

An experiment that might help many users!!!
I tried this feature on moto e (CM13) as an experiment for almost a week till i received my new SD card for moto g (Full Stock) today.
& now on moto g3 after receiving my new card.
I must say, it doesnt perform exactly the way everyone was expecting but feature works correctly to save your phone from getting unusable
this is what i believe is reality
what everyone was thinking?
to directly merge both internal & SD card together & give you combined storage of 48GB/80GB(32GB/64GB card on 16GB varient)
what exactly feature does?
it accounts SD card as internal=YES but there's condition, SD card behaves as Internal storage only for apps installed from play store after formatting as internal.
the apps which were in internal memory before formatting as internal will remain in actual internal memory
that is the reason when you should allow it to move data to SD card just after formatting when it asks (u must do this)
also the all kind of media data, backups data, sharing/transferred data using wifi/BT/SHAREit will be stored/moved to SD card
also all new apps you install from play store, they get installed directly on SD card
Also I verified that, during updating of apps from play store, they directly get updated on SD card only (which were on SD).
the apps on internal will get updated in internal only
I updated around 19 apps from play store & the difference can be understood from screenshots that i've attached
in short & simple words,
all apps installed before formatting as internal will remain in internal memory
all apps installed after formatting as internal will get installed/updated on SD card
I guess, default apps will always stay inside your actual internal memory only as they come pre-installed
this must be done & this should be done this way only bcz they are extremely important apps for device to function correctly.
in other way, if the both storages were merged & something happens to SD card then you & your phone are finished.
I hope my post clears doubts for most of the users
it's your choice what you want.
what you should do if you are formatting as internal?
just remember on thing,
when you format as internal, don't forget to say YES when it asks to move data just after finishing formatting.
IMO, this feature will serve its best for new buyers & fresh starters according to scenario I've experienced
My phones' current state:
Moto E 1st Gen (CM13) with Samsung Evo 32GB UHS-1 U1 Class 10 formatted as Internal
Moto G 3rd Gen (Full Stock) with Sandisk Extreme Pro 64GB UHS-1 U3 Class 10 formatted as Internal
Just to mention FYI, exactly just before formatting as internal OR moving data to SD just after completion of formatting, Internal storage was almost 8.3GB occupied out of total available 11.81GB
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now card has 5.08GB occupied space

You're wrong on one point, all apps installed from Play won't necessarily go to the external. I would be surprised if even half will. Security apps probably won't install to SD. Banking apps on every G3 I've looked at, go to internal.
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Hi everyone,
Long time iPhone user who finally made the switch (first iPhone in 2007 all the way through iPhone 6 last year but wanted to try a new platform -- plus was getting very tired of the cookie cutter'ness of iOS).
I've had my Galaxy S7 Edge for a week now and couldn't be happier.
However I have experienced an issue (that I resolved) and would like some thoughts & opinions from those of you with far more Android & Samsung Galaxy experience than I have.
Okay, I'll outline exactly what happened...
1. Been shooting a video nightly (for a FB awareness project) with zero problems but the other day my micro SD card arrived (SanDisk Ultra 200gig Micro SD XC I) and after installing it (no issues, phone booted perfectly, found the card, all was well) I shot that evening's video. However when I went to play it back before uploading it to FB the video played for the 30 seconds and I got a pop-up window saying "Unknown Error, try Again". So I did, and each time I tried playing it the same thing would happen... 30 seconds in, error window, rinse/repeat. So I deleted the video and reshot a new video. On this video, it would play for 3 seconds and I'd get a pop-up with, "Incorrect Data Try Again"... tried playing this new video a few more times before deleting it and starting over.
**worth mentioning: on both of the videos I also opened up my stock Samsung video editor, and using the slider for trimming videos I was able to move the slider past the 30 second mark on the first video, and past the 3 second mark on the 2nd video, and then both played fine (within the video editing feature only~~I tried playing them both outside the editor again and they wouldn't: #1 up to just 30 seconds and #2 just to 3 seconds--precisely like before**
I rebooted my phone and then shot yet another video, it played fine and uploaded onto FB perfectly.
So, does anyone have any ideas? I searched around Google and found many posts regarding camera issues on the S7 but nothing regarding video playback errors.
Could it have been my SD card?
Which now leads to question two...
2. A bit later that same evening I read an article and watched a couple YouTube videos on copying/transferring photos from the S7 internal drive to an external... so I successfully did that with some photos as well as creating a couple folders on the SD card as well.
I then read and watched some other articles and videos on moving apps from the internal to external drive.
Following the tutorials I noticed some apps had the option to be relocated while some did not. Two that I thought would be good to relocate were Facebook and Facebook Messenger (I looked in my Storage screen and after everything populated I noted that those two apps were using more space than any other app so I thought I'd relocate them).
They both relocated fine, the screen showed them both as now located on the external drive.
I closed out of Settings and then went to my desktop and clicked on my FB icon, the screen froze, and then the phone began to reboot.
For the next 20 minutes my phone stayed in Boot Loop and either would reboot to a black screen or my lock screen with the time & date as well as a message at the bottom of the screen showing I was connected to my home wifi and then lock up and reboot again.
Using my laptop I Googled how to fully shutdown my phone. I restarted/shutdown the phone a few more times--all resulting in endless Boot Loops before powering down and popping the tray and removing the SD card... was then VERY relieved, upon putting the tray back in with just my SIM card & powering back up, to see that the phone restarted beautifully.
FB & Messenger were missing from my phone's desktop (that seemed understandable) as well as some photos that I didn't copy but had instead transferred (understandable as well).
I took the SD card and put it into an adapter and plugged all that into my laptop to see what was on the SD card..
A very large folder labeled Android, another labeled LOST.DIR and two that I had created for my photos.
So has anyone else experienced this? If my SD card was bad wouldn't the phone have not read it or not been able to store data on it? Also, if the card was bad why can my laptop find and read it?
In the end I copied the two photo folders onto my laptop (interesting to note: one of the two photo folders that I created on my S7 couldn't for the most part be copied to my laptop because most of the photos were corrupted in that folder--however, they had all been viewable on my S7 earlier that day... and yes, these same photos were transferred over from my iPhone a few days earlier at the Verizon store) while I deleted the Android & LOST.D IR folders off the SD card... I am debating between the following actions:
A. Returning the SD card for another new one.
B. Putting the SD card back into my S7 now that it's been cleared of all the folders and see what happens.
C. Putting the SD back into my S7, formatting it, and then putting some photos & videos on it to see what happens.
In all events I am seriously leaning toward not ever putting apps on this or any SD card in my phone after what occurred--thoughts on that?
Any help, input or explanations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for reading all this (sorry it's so long but I wanted to include as much info as possible)...
-Scott

SCutshall said:
Hi everyone,
Long time iPhone user who finally made the switch (first iPhone in 2007 all the way through iPhone 6 last year but wanted to try a new platform -- plus was getting very tired of the cookie cutter'ness of iOS).
I've had my Galaxy S7 Edge for a week now and couldn't be happier.
However I have experienced an issue (that I resolved) and would like some thoughts & opinions from those of you with far more Android & Samsung Galaxy experience than I have.
Okay, I'll outline exactly what happened...
1. Been shooting a video nightly (for a FB awareness project) with zero problems but the other day my micro SD card arrived (SanDisk Ultra 200gig Micro SD XC I) and after installing it (no issues, phone booted perfectly, found the card, all was well) I shot that evening's video. However when I went to play it back before uploading it to FB the video played for the 30 seconds and I got a pop-up window saying "Unknown Error, try Again". So I did, and each time I tried playing it the same thing would happen... 30 seconds in, error window, rinse/repeat. So I deleted the video and reshot a new video. On this video, it would play for 3 seconds and I'd get a pop-up with, "Incorrect Data Try Again"... tried playing this new video a few more times before deleting it and starting over.
**worth mentioning: on both of the videos I also opened up my stock Samsung video editor, and using the slider for trimming videos I was able to move the slider past the 30 second mark on the first video, and past the 3 second mark on the 2nd video, and then both played fine (within the video editing feature only~~I tried playing them both outside the editor again and they wouldn't: #1 up to just 30 seconds and #2 just to 3 seconds--precisely like before**
I rebooted my phone and then shot yet another video, it played fine and uploaded onto FB perfectly.
So, does anyone have any ideas? I searched around Google and found many posts regarding camera issues on the S7 but nothing regarding video playback errors.
Could it have been my SD card?
Which now leads to question two...
2. A bit later that same evening I read an article and watched a couple YouTube videos on copying/transferring photos from the S7 internal drive to an external... so I successfully did that with some photos as well as creating a couple folders on the SD card as well.
I then read and watched some other articles and videos on moving apps from the internal to external drive.
Following the tutorials I noticed some apps had the option to be relocated while some did not. Two that I thought would be good to relocate were Facebook and Facebook Messenger (I looked in my Storage screen and after everything populated I noted that those two apps were using more space than any other app so I thought I'd relocate them).
They both relocated fine, the screen showed them both as now located on the external drive.
I closed out of Settings and then went to my desktop and clicked on my FB icon, the screen froze, and then the phone began to reboot.
For the next 20 minutes my phone stayed in Boot Loop and either would reboot to a black screen or my lock screen with the time & date as well as a message at the bottom of the screen showing I was connected to my home wifi and then lock up and reboot again.
Using my laptop I Googled how to fully shutdown my phone. I restarted/shutdown the phone a few more times--all resulting in endless Boot Loops before powering down and popping the tray and removing the SD card... was then VERY relieved, upon putting the tray back in with just my SIM card & powering back up, to see that the phone restarted beautifully.
FB & Messenger were missing from my phone's desktop (that seemed understandable) as well as some photos that I didn't copy but had instead transferred (understandable as well).
I took the SD card and put it into an adapter and plugged all that into my laptop to see what was on the SD card..
A very large folder labeled Android, another labeled LOST.DIR and two that I had created for my photos.
So has anyone else experienced this? If my SD card was bad wouldn't the phone have not read it or not been able to store data on it? Also, if the card was bad why can my laptop find and read it?
In the end I copied the two photo folders onto my laptop (interesting to note: one of the two photo folders that I created on my S7 couldn't for the most part be copied to my laptop because most of the photos were corrupted in that folder--however, they had all been viewable on my S7 earlier that day... and yes, these same photos were transferred over from my iPhone a few days earlier at the Verizon store) while I deleted the Android & LOST.D IR folders off the SD card... I am debating between the following actions:
A. Returning the SD card for another new one.
B. Putting the SD card back into my S7 now that it's been cleared of all the folders and see what happens.
C. Putting the SD back into my S7, formatting it, and then putting some photos & videos on it to see what happens.
In all events I am seriously leaning toward not ever putting apps on this or any SD card in my phone after what occurred--thoughts on that?
Any help, input or explanations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for reading all this (sorry it's so long but I wanted to include as much info as possible)...
-Scott
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Are you given proper write access to SD card.?If not at first download fx file from play store ...from setting select enable write access to SD card. A menu will appear,from right top select 3 dot menu select show all storage and then from menu select your memory card and after that select the correct sign on the bottom. Also in the camera app you select save option to SD card right. I am using a SanDisk 128gb SD card without any issues. All my Blu-ray movies are there also my photos and recorded videos no issues.

Thanks for your reply. Could you explain what you mean by "given proper write access to the SD card"? Also, not sure what I am to download from the Play Store, could you tell me more on that too?
Thank you,
-Scott

SCutshall said:
Thanks for your reply. Could you explain what you mean by "given proper write access to the SD card"? Also, not sure what I am to download from the Play Store, could you tell me more on that too?
Thank you,
-Scott
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In Android ( maybe also in ios, no experience with ios) you can grant and revoke access for almost everything. In this case what is being asked if you could download fx file explorer from the play store.
Navigate to your SD card. Top right accessories the option and click on give access, see attachement.
This way you would restore permissions for Android to write to your external SD card.
This might fix your problem.
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Is there any way to shoot video -with a SD card installed- and have it save (default) to the internal storage... and the move it to the SD card later (via FX File)? I ask because I've enabled Write Access for my SD card through FX (went great), checked the new SD card on my laptop (worked great), formatted it as well (on my S7), and I am still receiving popups for "Video Playback Failed, Unknown Reason" in any video longer then 30 seconds up to 3 minutes in length. Super frustrated.
Thanks-
-Scott

SCutshall said:
Is there any way to shoot video -with a SD card installed- and have it save (default) to the internal storage... and the move it to the SD card later (via FX File)? I ask because I've enabled Write Access for my SD card through FX (went great), checked the new SD card on my laptop (worked great), formatted it as well (on my S7), and I am still receiving popups for "Video Playback Failed, Unknown Reason" in any video longer then 30 seconds up to 3 minutes in length. Super frustrated.
Thanks-
-Scott
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I am no expert. But the fault sounds to me more like a software problem the a hardware problem. Have you tried playing it with video Lan? And if that fails make an Android backup. Try a fresh install of the rom and try again see if the problem persists
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Michel habets said:
I am no expert. But the fault sounds to me more like a software problem the a hardware problem. Have you tried playing it with video Lan? And if that fails make an Android backup. Try a fresh install of the rom and try again see if the problem persists
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Sorry, yet another newbie question from me for you...
Video Lan, is this a setting or an app or what?
Thank you-
-Scott

SCutshall said:
Sorry, yet another newbie question from me for you...
Video Lan, is this a setting or an app or what?
Thank you-
-Scott
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It's an app, a video player that understands and plays almost every video format.
Personally I ( and a lot of other people) say m if videolan can't play it, forget it
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.videolan.vlc
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Michel habets said:
It's an app, a video player that understands and plays almost every video format.
Personally I ( and a lot of other people) say m if videolan can't play it, forget it
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.videolan.vlc
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Okay, I'll try this, hope it works. Also, another question... when I download this app should I leave it on my internal or move it to my SD external?
Thank you as always...
-Scott

SCutshall said:
Okay, I'll try this, hope it works. Also, another question... when I download this app should I leave it on my internal or move it to my SD external?
Thank you as always...
-Scott
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Try to install in normally. On your local drive. And see if that's works. Move to SD is just another thing which could cause for errors.
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Michel habets said:
Try to install in normally. On your local drive. And see if that's works. Move to SD is just another thing which could cause for errors.
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The new video player app had trouble playing the video as well.
Think the issue might be solved though... called Samsung and was told very apologetically, "200 & 256 gig SD cards have not been strategically optimized for S7 & S7 Edges yet. Using either size card is very hit and miss with the firmware to date."
They strongly urged not going any larger than 128 gigs.
I ordered a 128 gig SD earlier today, dumped the contents of the 200 gig onto my laptop and am returning it to Amazon.
I'll report back after I take delivery and install the new card.
Thank you again-
-Scott