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Application Data Space Low

I keep getting this notification. I have installed a bunch of apps and have over 3 gigs of internal memory free.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

Go through all of your apps and look for one with 99mb of cache... Then clear that cache.
First apps that I would look are email apps.

I don't have any left with that much. The most is gmail with 61, then flash with 12. Can't clear cache in gmail.

.......so uninstall some apps. did you really need to make a thread about this???

Uh yes because iud you could read you would see that I installed apts and have around half the memory free. No need to be a jerk

This happens when your /data/data partition gets full. The partition is only 150 Megs. This requires you to monitor program caches and data storage. It sucks but until a work around is found it's something that has to be dealt with. I found that stored text messages are a huge data hog. What's more, the Barnes and Noble ebook reader has a 10 Meg file it stores in the data/data partition. Removing these alleviated my issue for the time being. Best thing is to be selective about what you install. I mean really, do I NEED three GPS speedometers?

Smabbage said:
This happens when your /data/data partition gets full. The partition is only 150 Megs. This requires you to monitor program caches and data storage. It sucks but until a work around is found it's something that has to be dealt with. I found that stored text messages are a huge data hog. What's more, the Barnes and Noble ebook reader has a 10 Meg file it stores in the data/data partition. Removing these alleviated my issue for the time being. Best thing is to be selective about what you install. I mean really, do I NEED three GPS speedometers?
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Thanks. I thought it might be something like that. I'll dump some stored texts and see if I still have the B&N reader installed.

xmetl said:
.......so uninstall some apps. did you really need to make a thread about this???
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This issue is a real nuisance. I'm glad a thread was opened about this because Smabbage had a great explanation. An explanation I haven't seen at that level of detail.

App to Clear Cache
Smabbage said:
This happens when your /data/data partition gets full. The partition is only 150 Megs. This requires you to monitor program caches and data storage. It sucks but until a work around is found it's something that has to be dealt with. I found that stored text messages are a huge data hog. What's more, the Barnes and Noble ebook reader has a 10 Meg file it stores in the data/data partition. Removing these alleviated my issue for the time being. Best thing is to be selective about what you install. I mean really, do I NEED three GPS speedometers?
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Rather then manually doing this, I've come across "an app for that"...
CacheMate for Root Users Free (link brings you to the AppBrain page for this app)
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

Since the /data/data partition is so relatively small, I just wish more app developers would store their applications data on the SD card by default. Some of the newer apps do.

Dumping all my old texts seems to have done the trick. Thanks for the tip Smabbage!
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

Glad I could help.

wait- not resolved
oops- the data space message is back. I do have a lot of apps. I tried uninstalling a couple of the largest but no go. I installed cachemate but when it runs it says there is no cache to delete!
Is there a way for me to manually inspect the data space to see what is hogging it?

I used Root Explorer and bounced in and out of all the directories in the /data/data folder until I found the main culprits. For me, Barnes and Noble Nook app, Pandora Cache, Double Twist Cache, Amazon Kindle, just to name a few. Your mileage may vary.

Smabbage said:
I used Root Explorer and bounced in and out of all the directories in the /data/data folder until I found the main culprits. For me, Barnes and Noble Nook app, Pandora Cache, Double Twist Cache, Amazon Kindle, just to name a few. Your mileage may vary.
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Thanks. I'll takes a look.

I really wish this is something either htc or google would address... Its pathetic to have a phone with so much space in it and have to delete my text messages periodically to send a new one. So what if I have useless apps, I recall buying a phone advertised as having 8 gigs internal storage, and 1 gig onboard memory. Come on HTC, get on the ball and fix this low space issue...

madfatter said:
...Come on HTC, get on the ball and fix this low space issue...
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From what i understand this is not a device issue that HTC has control over but rather a software issue. I too was excited to get 8GB on the phone and hoping to not have a need for an SD card. When the Incredible came out, almost nothing had support for accessing internal storage, now there are some.
I just got this message for the first time last week. Deleting some 1000 sms made the message stop.
Sent from my Incredible

Heh. We need a partition manager for rooted phones. Then we can allocate more space for the /data/data folder and Bob's your uncle, no more worries. Of course, it hinges on whether it's even possible.

Smabbage said:
I used Root Explorer and bounced in and out of all the directories in the /data/data folder until I found the main culprits. For me, Barnes and Noble Nook app, Pandora Cache, Double Twist Cache, Amazon Kindle, just to name a few. Your mileage may vary.
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One culprit for me was Swype Installer which after clearing data cleared up about 3-4 MB of space on data/data. I think it might've been from an install that didn't complete properly so it cached the program. After uninstalling and reinstalling Swype, Swype Installer now only shows 28KB for data (instead of 3-4 MB).

So, I was getting this error message for a couple weeks now - but (like everyone else), my phone showed I had PLENTY of memory! It did't get annoying until things stopped working in the past couple days:
- updates wouldn't download
- new downloads wouldn't download
- Google Talk stopped working completely
- gmail wouldn't update my inbox or download new emails
- screen touch response was getting more flaky
among other things.
So, I tried all of the things mentioned here and on other similar threads to no avail. The problem didn't get any better in spite of my best efforts.
I went into my Application manager prefs and viewed them by size instead of A-Z. One of the larger ones was Flash, which I downloaded and update for not too long ago. On a whim, I decided to uninstall it and reboot (again). Guess what...
Problem is gone.
No more error message. All of the problems I had above are gone. Everything is working as it should - except for Flash of course.
I'm curious to see if others that are having similar problems would try this (deleting Flash) and seeing if you have the same results. I would like to know if it's really Flash causing the problem, or simply the deletion of one of the larger apps that's fixing it. Because if it's Flash, that's a big deal.

SD card? Im a Dunce

Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
thanks

tevil said:
Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
thanks
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The SD card is a non removable flash storage device. It's the storage you see when you mount USB storage.
Apps will cache data to the SD card, this is where any downloads go, any picture s or movies you take, etc. It is 16 GB of general storage (separate from the 1GB of internal storage).

Think of it as 'built-in'. For all practical purposes, there is a sdcard, which behaves just as it would on any other android, but you can't remove it. I'm not sure if it is physically part of the internal memory or not. I suspect there is one 16GB chip that is partitioned for internal and /sdcard.
tevil said:
Okay first post and sure this is off to a great start, because its probably like the lamest question ever....
I see the SD card partition on the Nexus S and for the LIFE of me can't actually figure out what its for.
If USB storage is for holding media and info then what is the SD for?
At one point i was getting memory errors from apps and it said SD memory at capacity or something like that and the limit seemed VERY small. I ran a cache cleaner and removed some clashing apps (i believe) and it seemed fine after that.
Is the SD the internal RAM?
feel free to call me any derogatory name you like as long as you give me a wiki or explanation. I tried searching the forum and google but it just brings up posts where people already talk about SD with knowledge.
thanks
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i am a bit stumped then. when it gave me the sd capacity it was NO WHERE near 16g's. it was like 800mbs or something. this is why my slacker kept crashing out and giving me a memory error.
is there a way in the OS to see the SD capacity? I had an app that told me but got rid of it cause i think it was also part of the crashing issues i had.
so is what your saying the SD is what you see when you USB your phone to the computer? its that root DIR. In clockwork i can see a USB and SD dir separately i believe but ill have to check again
thanks
on a side note does anyone else have slacker issues. this is how the entire subject came up to me anyway

tevil said:
i am a bit stumped then. when it gave me the sd capacity it was NO WHERE near 16g's. it was like 800mbs or something. this is why my slacker kept crashing out and giving me a memory error.
is there a way in the OS to see the SD capacity? I had an app that told me but got rid of it cause i think it was also part of the crashing issues i had.
so is what your saying the SD is what you see when you USB your phone to the computer? its that root DIR. In clockwork i can see a USB and SD dir separately i believe but ill have to check again
thanks
on a side note does anyone else have slacker issues. this is how the entire subject came up to me anyway
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Slacker works fine for me, always has (outside of it's poor ability to precache the next song).
For Storage go to Settings -> Storage. USB storage is the SD card.

What space you see when you plug in the NS to your computer's USB is the SD card.
It is not the root folder of the whole phone.
Under the "Settings -> Storage" window on your phone, the "USB Storage" is we are calling the SD card.
The Internal Storage is what the phone needs itself.
Here is mine:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Because of all the music on my NS & the fact almost all my apps are there too, I am sucking up approx 3 gigs of SD or USb storage space.
The NS is sucking up approx 800megs of space, of the 1 gig available to it.
As for your Slacker issues, Although I am not familiar with this application, have you tried just reinstalling it.
Heeter

cool thanks guys.
just couldnt figure whyd they name something twice.
As for slacker i beleive it was a mix of
juice defender (which i may try again solo to see if its really that good)
ad blocker (which was jsut something i tried but never really needed, good riddance)
and like these two cleaners which i dont remember the names of.
Now i have NG cache cleaner which is nice and my slcaker seems to be normal again
wasnt sure if the adblocker was seeing the commercials in slacker as ads and trying to block them out causing problems so i got rid of that first.
as the other guy said the pre chaching was HORRIBLE at times making me think the app locked. but after those removals it worked fine with occassional lag betweensongs

Phone Storage Low Help!

Hi,
Bit of background info...
I'm using the standard Desire HD Rom (Gingerbread) ever since it was official in the UK. Before that I was running the standard Froyo ROM. I had an issue just after the first small OTA that caused my CPU to 100% but after following a guide on XDA restored my phone and its been fine. Until now.
The issue...
I have been noticing my phone storage was getting low, about 2months ago I noticed it was at 218Mb Free, and kept my eye on the free storage level. I installed the odd application, and un-installed a couple, I'm not going to say I have no apps but I'm not excessive. When my phone storage reached the area where Android notifies me of low storage I stopped installing apps and started removing them, and other obvious uses of phone memory, such as a couple HTC skins and a wallpaper or two. The message would disappear. But after a day or two the message will return, note no installed apps. I have cleared cache, temp files etc to remove the message and regain space, but it got to the point that I was installing nothing and the space continued to shrink. Its now at a critical point that things like the gallery don't work etc so my smart phone is no longer so smart but rather crippled in functionality. The space just continues to disappear, I've looked through the installed apps list and cant see what's using up the space.
I can note my HTC Sense is using 400Mb of space, is this normal? But this has not increased and does not account for the continual space use.
So im now at the point of a fix or having to restore my phone again.
If anyone has any ideas, need to know more etc please let me know.
Cheers,
Simon
Android 2.3.3
HTC Sense 2.1

gamesmachine said:
Hi,
Bit of background info...
I'm using the standard Desire HD Rom (Gingerbread) ever since it was official in the UK. Before that I was running the standard Froyo ROM. I had an issue just after the first small OTA that caused my CPU to 100% but after following a guide on XDA restored my phone and its been fine. Until now.
The issue...
I have been noticing my phone storage was getting low, about 2months ago I noticed it was at 218Mb Free, and kept my eye on the free storage level. I installed the odd application, and un-installed a couple, I'm not going to say I have no apps but I'm not excessive. When my phone storage reached the area where Android notifies me of low storage I stopped installing apps and started removing them, and other obvious uses of phone memory, such as a couple HTC skins and a wallpaper or two. The message would disappear. But after a day or two the message will return, note no installed apps. I have cleared cache, temp files etc to remove the message and regain space, but it got to the point that I was installing nothing and the space continued to shrink. Its now at a critical point that things like the gallery don't work etc so my smart phone is no longer so smart but rather crippled in functionality. The space just continues to disappear, I've looked through the installed apps list and cant see what's using up the space.
I can note my HTC Sense is using 400Mb of space, is this normal? But this has not increased and does not account for the continual space use.
So im now at the point of a fix or having to restore my phone again.
If anyone has any ideas, need to know more etc please let me know.
Cheers,
Simon
Android 2.3.3
HTC Sense 2.1
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things like galley wont work means .......you are getting force closes ???

No its not a force close it says low memory and it cannot open, nothing like the force close dialogue.
Again that's a by product of low memory and doesn't solve my continual lowering memory issue.
Si

gamesmachine said:
Hi,
I can note my HTC Sense is using 400Mb of space, is this normal? But this has not increased and does not account for the continual space use.
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is this normal? Yes, is this desirable? No. This is why a lot of us took the custom rom route and binned Sense, does a reboot improve matters?
Just for info here's my free Space on CM Nightly #204
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My suggestion is to root and create an sd-ext partition.

You asked earlier if this was normal. Hell no it is not normal! There is no way that HTC Sense should consume 400MB. Can you take pictures of a few screens showing your low storage?
First one of app drawer > menu button > remove app > all tab > menu button > sort by size. This will put all your higher consuming apps at the top of the list.
Second pic of settings > SD & phone storage
Third pic of app drawer > menu button > remove app > running tab > menu button > show cached processes > and make sure HTC Sense is showing in the pic.
Make sure the used and free MB at the bottom of the screen is showing in the pics. You mostlikely will have to use a camera since your phone is not rooted to show the display.

Sense probably does use 400 mb.
Try moving apps to SD, it doesnt affect the app performance that much.

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Sense probably does use 400 mb.
Try moving apps to SD, it doesnt affect the app performance that much.
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HTC Sense does not use 400MB of internal storage or free memory (RAM). Yes there are a number of apps and widgets associated with it but if OP's phone is reporting 400MB for HTC Sense on a non rooted ROM then it has serious issues.
Edit: I am running a stock rooted ROM. Yes I have HTC Sense. I have over 250 apps installed and I do consider that excessive. I moved some but not all of the apps to the sd card. I am still left with almost 200MB of internal storage. My phone averages about 280MB of free memory (RAM). And in none of the menus does it report sense to be 400MB. It reports approximately 5MB of internal storage and about 34MB of memory (RAM) being used for it.

Hey thanks for getting back to me, I will get on your photos tomorrow morning. I have had a quick count of key app draw apps and its 128 including all stock apps, I have moved prity much all apps I can to SD and deleted more last night to gain access to gallery etc and my space went up to 72mb, now a day later its at 52.
I would like to root but it seems difficult for this Rom, just at the moment It's not a great time to have to wipe the phone etc, but any guides I can still bookmark, but need to be for official Rom on this version.
Obviously the priority is finding the issue for me and others, as I cannot find any useful help via Google etc.
Cheers for getting back to me again,
Si

Ok here are the images you requested, I took a couple of the 'All' Section, I have a few apps over a couple Mb, but after this image they go down into the 1Mb to few hundred Kb range.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Ram wise the phone seems fine.
I don't know if its related but I have still not gotten the new Market app, still stuck on the old one, and no notification of an update.
Maybe root is the best option, but I do like quite a few options that are part of sense, so maybe a sense version rom, not that I'm saying there aren't issues with sense tho...
But still will be helpful to know whats up, lost another 2Mb of space last night as I gained some more by moving a couple more larger apps (ebay, layer) to SD.
Thanks
Si

Everything looks fine except for that first pic. 389MB for HTC Sense on internal storage is unreal. I myself have no clue what could be causing this. Are you using any HTC Sense widgets on your home screens that may be overloaded with data? I am not exactly sure what would be included with HTC Sense at this point. If you select HTC Sense from that screen it will say "Total", "Application", and "Data" under Storage. What are these values? Guessing it is your data that is huge. I wouldn't end up clearing the data at this point since I have heard that it may mess up your phone.
Yes it might be cool to just factory reset or root to a custom ROM. But if this is not a bug then the same thing will happen again to you if it is something you are causing yourself.

Yep its all app data, I also read that deleting it is a bad idea, I had the friend stream, and still have the photo gallery flip widget, the music widget and a couple of toggle widgets none of which are HTC.
Don't know what's caused it, not been playing around with anything out of the ordinary.
Cheers,
Si

Friendstream and the Music Widget are HTC Sense widgets. I don't see gallery widget but I do see a HTC Photo Album Widget. Might want to look at that Friendstream Widget and see if you can clear things out of it.
If your phone was rooted we could at least look for 400MBs of files which would be easy. But not rooted I am not sure what you can do. Also looking at my phone you have 2 HTC Sense entries in the internal storage. The icon with the clock is about the same size as mine. However my other one is only 504KB. I wonder what this one does. Surely someone knows.

I looked in friend stream and there is nothing, I also removed the widget and restarted the phone nothing, if anything I've lost space...
I don't know if I can even root this Rom, I know it was easy on older roms, or have to downgrade...sounds fun.
Yeah I have the same gallery widget.
Thing is the HTC sense using 389Mb stays the same, so what's using the additional space!?
Cheers,
Si

Do you have fastboot disabled? You never know. lol

No its still on xD
Si

that' why i am on miui or cm7
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That is just insane. I am running a stock rooted 2.3.3 Gingerbread rom. When I check my storage usage for HTC Sense, it is a mere 76kb. That is correct, kb not mb. Perhaps you should elaborate on this guide that you used to fix the CPU issue you had. Have you considered that it may be related?
Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk

Turn that dang fastboot off and then turn your phone completely off and then turn your phone back on. If I were you I would keep fastboot off. It can cause alot of issues.
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that' why i am on miui or cm7
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If you have no help for the situation then go troll elsewhere.

I don't know if its related, seems unlikely as it was tied to the update the phone received around Christmas. In some cases peoples phones would sit at 100% utilisation permanently, killing the battery in about 3 hours. I did a hard reset and it fixed the issue, not too bad as I had only had the phone about 2 weeks, however now its not had a hard reset since and has been upgraded to 2.3.2 since, and that was June? So its been OK, until I noticed this issue, but god knows how long its been going on...
Yeah it's mental 489Mb Vs Mere KB... Not Great xD
I have been looking into the downgrade ROM situation to allow for a Root etc, just in case I need to do a hard reset, may as well do both, then go from there.
Disabled Fast Boot, and its still using 389Mb and Space sits at 61Mb Tonight xD
Cheers for help so far!
Si

Just got Android 6.0... the "use SD Card as internal Storage" feature seems pointless

Just got Android 6.0... the "use SD Card as internal Storage" feature seems pointless
This was a highly touted feature. Especially with our Moto G's that have only 8GB of storage. In Lollipop, we could store all of our media (pictures, videos, files), on the SD Card. Some apps also supported being moved to the SD card. Microsoft Groove, for example doesn't support SD card storage at all. Meaning, if you wanted to download any music, everything would be stored on your internal partition. Obviously, Android M seemed very promising because it looked like we could combine out storages to overcome this.
Fast forward to it now. You can set your SD card as internal storage and it will show up as internal storage. HOWEVER, some apps still cannot be moved there (any app that couldn't be moved before, still can't be moved). Microsoft Groove still resides completely on the primary partition. So if I download too many songs, the 8GB eMMC fills up and I get warnings that I'm out of storage and can't receive messages or have other functions....
I don't get it. What is so special about this? My SD card functions exactly the way that it did under Lollipop. My storage still shows up as 8GB + 32GB SD Card, the way it did before. It's not 40GB internal combined the way it was advertised to be.
Very disappointing.

From what I can see, it encrypts the card so it can only be used by your device.
It told me during setup that it would automatically move apps, data (saved me 155mb), but I haven't tried to move stuff manually.

Other thing I notice is that lets say you move 1 app to the sd card, when that app gets updated it moves back to internal then you need to go and move it manually , and sometimes it doesn't want to move need to reinstall

bobby0724 said:
Other thing I notice is that lets say you move 1 app to the sd card, when that app gets updated it moves back to internal then you need to go and move it manually , and sometimes it doesn't want to move need to reinstall
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Yup! This exact problem existed in Lollipop. I decided to just leave them in internal instead of the hassle of trying to save a few hundred megs all the time.
This feature showed so much promise. For me it was going to be a killer feature. Take an 8GB ROM phone and turn it into a true 40GB ROM phone.

It's important to move the data to sdcard when android prompts you to do so. Because what you select there determines the primary storage.
If you choose to not move the data then internal storage will be primary and everything will get stored in the internal memory, and if you choose to move data then sdcard will be primary.
Source

Aftcomet said:
This feature showed so much promise. For me it was going to be a killer feature. Take an 8GB ROM phone and turn it into a true 40GB ROM phone.
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This would have been amazing.

bobby0724 said:
Other thing I notice is that lets say you move 1 app to the sd card, when that app gets updated it moves back to internal then you need to go and move it manually , and sometimes it doesn't want to move need to reinstall
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I've noticed that also. Also, if the developer writes the app to install on internal, that's where it will have to reside. One thing I've noticed on the final builds that changed in the soak tests, in the first soak test, you could force non-system apps to SD and could actually move most of them. Some of them would act wonky though and you'd have to move them back.

You guys must not do much gaming. Download a game's 3gb obb file, then tell me it makes no difference tht you have another 32gb, or however big your card is, to store another couple obb files so you can store more than one game.
Now....having said that, there are a couple apps and xposed modules which also allow you to store them directly on the external card, and some even more efficiently....but since this is a native feature now rolled right into the firmware, I expect with time this will swallow up the code used in those apps and modules, and make use of their methods even more efficiently. This is one of thoe features that needs time to mature and find its real true use, but right now if you use it like I do I think you'll find it's a great tool!!
Also, on a side-note....I think it shows as 8+32, or whatever your configuration may be...but I think it shows them separately because they are actually separate physically...just like it would do on a desktop computer with an additional internal hard drive. Imagine, for a second, if it merged them into one single storage device (in the firmware's eyes, at least) then you remove the sd card....all hell would break loose. The device wouldn't know wtf was going on and why suddenly internal storage was chopped to a fraction of its supposed size. It would wreak havoc on everything. Keeping them as separate but viewed as both being internal makes the sd card able to be unmounted without affecting how the firmware runs, with the exception of anything installed or stored on the storage device that you've removed.

Piyush Rawal said:
It's important to move the data to sdcard when android prompts you to do so. Because what you select there determines the primary storage.
If you choose to not move the data then internal storage will be primary and everything will get stored in the internal memory, and if you choose to move data then sdcard will be primary.
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This a million times but everyone seems to be ignoring it.

Just read it and my doubt is : If I will choose "internal", will I need a Google "cloud backup" size equal or greater than my "internal" size, to avoid loosing encrypted data when my SD card end his life? I guess so.
Will this be free of charge or do I need to buy cloud space on a monthly/yearly fee basis?
And what about the data in the cloud? Are they in plain or encrypted? I hope that they are encrypted with device related key, so that when I will swap the card they could be restored.
Hmm... the choice need to be evaluated wisely.

steboni said:
Just read it and my doubt is : If I will choose "internal", will I need a Google "cloud backup" size equal or greater than my "internal" size, to avoid loosing encrypted data when my SD card end his life? I guess so.
Will this be free of charge or do I need to buy cloud space on a monthly/yearly fee basis?
And what about the data in the cloud? Are they in plain or encrypted? I hope that they are encrypted with device related key, so that when I will swap the card they could be restored.
Hmm... the choice need to be evaluated wisely.
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No... Google only backups up settings and personal information like contacts, wallpaper, WiFi passcodes, and stuff like that, and maintains a list of the apps you have installed (not the actual apps or their data). It really doesn't eat into any of your free 15GB of storage, and if you use Google Photos in "high quality" mode, it will eat basically zero of your Drive space.
The information is encrypted, like all Google account information, but the key to it is your just your Google account and password.
Do not confuse device level encryption, SD card encryption, and Google data encryption. They are all different, well device level and SD card encryption are very similar, but your Google data is just kept in Google's standard servers using their normal account encryption tied to your username and password (which is very secure). If you encrypt the SD card, it is tied to that specific device , not your Google account... it will only work in that EXACT phone with the same Google account, to use it in another device you will need to reformat the card.

Got it,... maybe I made wrong assumptions.
Many thanks for your kind explanations.
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My new Moto G arrived yesterday and I rooted, etc., and added a 32GB SD card as "internal storage" using the new Marshmallow feature. TWRP has the capability to store backups to the SD card adaptive storage built into it.....nice. This will save a ton of space. By the way, it took a bit of searching to find the TWRP backup, because what TWRP reports as the backup Folder (external_sd/media/..). Is not where it is in the filesystem. It is actully located in
/mnt/expand/...
But wait, this storage is not visible by my computer, so there is no way to copy the TWRP backup to my external drive like I have done in the past.......Wonderful.
What I would like to do now is store my my biggest storage hog, music files, onto the SD card. However, Google Play Music does not support adaptive internal storage. Didn't Google develop Marshmallow...I don't get it. Does anyone have a workaround?
EDIT (02-02-2016): So I reached out to the developers of two of the top aftermarket paid music player apps and it became clear yesterday that they have no clue about how adaptive storage works so I see no hope at this time for any music player that allows me to store songs onto the SD card using "internal storage". For now I have to store the songs the old way, on the phones main memory, which leaves me almost no space left on the phone......Wonderful. That was the whole intent of buying this phone.

Yeah its bad. I wrote some mails to the Google Play Music team. Maybe they fix/support it asap
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So is this feature not working as it should? I only got the 8gb version in an hope the sd card could be used for all apps instead of internal. It seems to install to internal just the same and only the option to move some apps. It is totally pointless to the point I will have to sell the moto g and get something with bigger internal storage.

waj1234 said:
So is this feature not working as it should? I only got the 8gb version in an hope the sd card could be used for all apps instead of internal. It seems to install to internal just the same and only the option to move some apps. It is totally pointless to the point I will have to sell the moto g and get something with bigger internal storage.
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All apps won't install to the SD. System apps are on internal and developers can specify that other apps must install on internal. Also some widgets won't work correctly if their apps are moved to SD.

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All apps won't install to the SD. System apps are on internal and developers can specify that other apps must install on internal. Also some widgets won't work correctly if their apps are moved to SD.
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Shame only waited for MM before buying the moto G 2015 8g (got it today) for the sd card feature. It's no better than it's ever been and renders the 8g version completely useless imo.

waj1234 said:
Shame only waited for MM before buying the moto G 2015 8g (got it today) for the sd card feature. It's no better than it's ever been and renders the 8g version completely useless imo.
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Yeah, it's not quite what everyone thought it would be. I bought a larger SD card just for that feature and honestly, an 8gb card would probably handle all the apps I have that will actually move. Out of the 60 or so apps I have installed, only 10 are on the SD card. Some of those like Dropbox are real space hogs, Dropbox uses 64mb by itself and it won't install on the SD.

An experiment that might help many users!!!
I tried this feature on moto e (CM13) as an experiment for almost a week till i received my new SD card for moto g (Full Stock) today.
& now on moto g3 after receiving my new card.
I must say, it doesnt perform exactly the way everyone was expecting but feature works correctly to save your phone from getting unusable
this is what i believe is reality
what everyone was thinking?
to directly merge both internal & SD card together & give you combined storage of 48GB/80GB(32GB/64GB card on 16GB varient)
what exactly feature does?
it accounts SD card as internal=YES but there's condition, SD card behaves as Internal storage only for apps installed from play store after formatting as internal.
the apps which were in internal memory before formatting as internal will remain in actual internal memory
that is the reason when you should allow it to move data to SD card just after formatting when it asks (u must do this)
also the all kind of media data, backups data, sharing/transferred data using wifi/BT/SHAREit will be stored/moved to SD card
also all new apps you install from play store, they get installed directly on SD card
Also I verified that, during updating of apps from play store, they directly get updated on SD card only (which were on SD).
the apps on internal will get updated in internal only
I updated around 19 apps from play store & the difference can be understood from screenshots that i've attached
in short & simple words,
all apps installed before formatting as internal will remain in internal memory
all apps installed after formatting as internal will get installed/updated on SD card
I guess, default apps will always stay inside your actual internal memory only as they come pre-installed
this must be done & this should be done this way only bcz they are extremely important apps for device to function correctly.
in other way, if the both storages were merged & something happens to SD card then you & your phone are finished.
I hope my post clears doubts for most of the users
it's your choice what you want.
what you should do if you are formatting as internal?
just remember on thing,
when you format as internal, don't forget to say YES when it asks to move data just after finishing formatting.
IMO, this feature will serve its best for new buyers & fresh starters according to scenario I've experienced
My phones' current state:
Moto E 1st Gen (CM13) with Samsung Evo 32GB UHS-1 U1 Class 10 formatted as Internal
Moto G 3rd Gen (Full Stock) with Sandisk Extreme Pro 64GB UHS-1 U3 Class 10 formatted as Internal
Just to mention FYI, exactly just before formatting as internal OR moving data to SD just after completion of formatting, Internal storage was almost 8.3GB occupied out of total available 11.81GB
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You're wrong on one point, all apps installed from Play won't necessarily go to the external. I would be surprised if even half will. Security apps probably won't install to SD. Banking apps on every G3 I've looked at, go to internal.
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Slow read & write speed with Samsung and SanDisk 128gb Micro SD?

I ordered both of these cards from Amazon:
Sandisk 128gb micro SD
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010Q57S62
Samsung EVO 128gb micro SD
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P3NMVVU
And they both read and write really slow in my Galaxy Note 3. Does this happen to anyone else?
For example, when I open the Gallery app, it takes forever to load all the thumbnails.
One time, I tried to delete 5 pictures and it took MINUTES for the phone to delete them.
Any idea what's going on?

Could be due to the fact that Note 3 does not officially support memory cards over 64GB.

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Could be due to the fact that Note 3 does not officially support memory cards over 64GB.
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So, is no one using 128gb micro SD cards in their Note 3?

Did some research - http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/accessories/microsd-people-using-note-3-t3063342
People seem to be using 128GB ones fine. I'd try the memory stick in another device and/or a computer.

Someguyfromhell said:
Did some research - http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/accessories/microsd-people-using-note-3-t3063342
People seem to be using 128GB ones fine. I'd try the memory stick in another device and/or a computer.
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Thanks but it's a Micro SD card not a memory stick.

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Thanks but it's a Micro SD card not a memory stick.
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Meant memory card*, woops. And with computer, I meant through an adapter.

Have you been installing a bunch of apps lately? I got that generic 128gb, black colored card one off eBay, used it all of last year with no issues. This week I have installed a bunch apps. To clean up the phone I added SDMaid, nice effective app but can be dangerous too. I carelessly used one of the cleaning options and it automatically deleted a whole bunch of things -system files, photos, etc. Luckily I always have Dumpster and restored everything. Now some pics are blank and a myriad of a few issues. I could use file manager to move files from internal sd to external, it creates a folder but no files are moved while the source is empty. It can't even copy nor see the files+folders on the SD card. I installed ES file manager, it's working great.
I intend to factory reset after everything is backed up. Then I will have to go back on an apps diet - only necessary apps. So i think my card is ok but one of the new apps is the culprit - pro'ly 1Mobile, IDK for sure.

No I have not.

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No I have not.
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Mm just mount and remount it and see how it will work. If it didn't work fine try to format it

obadah said:
Mm just mount and remount it and see how it will work. If it didn't work fine try to format it
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I've tried that already too

Neo3D said:
I've tried that already too
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What is the status of your ram is it full?
The memory card should run smoothly

obadah said:
What is the status of your ram is it full?
The memory card should run smoothly
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Good
Well maybe you have corrupted files on your sd card and the android trying to fix, index it and it causes the lags .
Try to move back apps to your internal storage, set camera to your internal as well format your memory card using a pc.
I hope this can help you with your problem.

obadah said:
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Well maybe you have corrupted files on your sd card and the android trying to fix, index it and it causes the lags .
Try to move back apps to your internal storage, set camera to your internal as well format your memory card using a pc.
I hope this can help you with your problem.
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So, I can't fit all my external storage on my internal?
My external storage is like 85gb and my internal is only 32gb? I have everything backed up on my Alienware M14x R2 laptop.
What I've done is format my micro SD inside my phone and copy everything back onto my micro SD? I've done this with BOTH the Samsung brand and Sandisk brand cards but both are really slow to read when I'm running my Gallery app. All of my pictures and videos are stored on my micro SD. I have 5+yrs of stuff.

I don't know but try to remove your Facebook app !! And update me with the results
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So, I can't fit all my external storage on my internal?
My external storage is like 85gb and my internal is only 32gb? I have everything backed up on my Alienware M14x R2 laptop.
What I've done is format my micro SD inside my phone and copy everything back onto my micro SD? I've done this with BOTH the Samsung brand and Sandisk brand cards but both are really slow to read when I'm running my Gallery app. All of my pictures and videos are stored on my micro SD. I have 5+yrs of stuff.
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Take a look at "SD-Booster"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.mehrmann.sdbooster try this app hopefully it will work for you.

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I don't know but try to remove your Facebook app !! And update me with the results
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Take a look at "SD-Booster"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.mehrmann.sdbooster try this app hopefully it will work for you.
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Thanks for SD Booster, but I have a Verizon phone no root

OP didn't say which Android version he/she is running, but since I never updated from 4.4.2, my suggestions are based on that, but should be similar on newer versions. First of all Note 3 fully supports 128GB and probably higher capacity but no way to check it yet, so that's not a problem. As for solutions: when was the last time caches were cleared? I do this on regular basis, once every 1-2 weeks, otherwise my phone slows down, the easiest would be using something like Android assistant and it should work without root. Another thing I do is manually kill programs I don't use often: once the program is run once it will load into RAM forever, even after reboot and then memory is being swapped all the time. Also you could download A1 SD bench, that can check your sd card memory speed. Just to give you an idea I get 20MB/s read, 15 MB/s write from the TEAM chinese 128GB sd card, you should get little bit more. Indexing used to be an issue, but if you didn't add large amount of new files recently, it should be ok. I got thousands of pictures and videos on my card, around 60 GB total and all is good. Your cards are high quality and should be running good, unless you running Android 5 and didn't use SD card fix, but there are threads showing how.

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OP didn't say which Android version he/she is running, but since I never updated from 4.4.2, my suggestions are based on that, but should be similar on newer versions. First of all Note 3 fully supports 128GB and probably higher capacity but no way to check it yet, so that's not a problem. As for solutions: when was the last time caches were cleared? I do this on regular basis, once every 1-2 weeks, otherwise my phone slows down, the easiest would be using something like Android assistant and it should work without root. Another thing I do is manually kill programs I don't use often: once the program is run once it will load into RAM forever, even after reboot and then memory is being swapped all the time. Also you could download A1 SD bench, that can check your sd card memory speed. Just to give you an idea I get 20MB/s read, 15 MB/s write from the TEAM chinese 128GB sd card, you should get little bit more. Indexing used to be an issue, but if you didn't add large amount of new files recently, it should be ok. I got thousands of pictures and videos on my card, around 60 GB total and all is good. Your cards are high quality and should be running good, unless you running Android 5 and didn't use SD card fix, but there are threads showing how.
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Yikes! I am on Android 5! That might be it? I'll see if I can find the SD card fix, thank you! Is this it? http://www.ninjaromeo.com/fix-external-sd-card-write-error-lollipop/
I don't really have read or write errors, it's just slow

I never installed Android 5, therefore I have no first hand experience, so can't help much, but I did read Google keeps on messing with write permissions to SD, (probably trying to force people to use their cloud storage) and people reported all kinds of problems, it could be related to your issue. Did you try downloading "A1 sd bench" from Google, should be free and run speed test just for heck of it, both cards should have minimum 10MB write speed and at least 15MB read speed, maybe the cards are fake/broken? Eliminate the obvious, concentrate on what's left, but there is something wrong.

How can u really expect a phone with 64gb support to run 128 GB card that too smoothly.?
I have got 256 GB SD card and it just helps me to store my data safely I don't really find full smooth running SD card that too 64GB+ card anywhere ........
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Sorry to ask but are u really a girl
Cause guys here get active here when they see your gorgeous profile.......pic ?
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