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JULY 01, 2010 06:31
When Apple launched its new smartphone iPhone 4 June 8, Samsung Electronics released its smartphone Galaxy S without prior notice.
The Korean electronics maker said, “This is the culmination of our company’s 20-year history of handset manufacturing.”
People in and out of the company said Samsung timed the release with Apple’s launch of the iPhone 4 to compete squarely with Apple. Aware of the “Apple shock” triggered by the iPhone’s entry into Korea in November last year, Samsung reacted in an orderly manner this time to prevent a recurrence, experts said.
Many people wonder what happened inside of the company after the shock.
○ Paradigm shift in product development
The Dong-A Ilbo interviewed Monday Kim Hak-sang, director of the platform development department in the company’s wireless division who led the development of the Galaxy S, and Ahn Won-ik, head of a software platform group at Digital City of Samsung Electronics in Suwon, Gyeonggi Province. Kim led hardware development and Ahn software development.
A task force to develop the Galaxy S was set up in October last year shortly before the iPhone arrived on the Korean market. The team designed the hardware at first, but had difficulty choosing an operating system.
Kim said, “We applied many operating systems and concluded that consumers and mobile carriers want Google’s Android.”
The task force is different from the previous handset development team in the company’s wireless division. Samsung allowed flexibility in its guidelines on developing new products.
Ahn said, “In the past, there were clear guidelines for product development and they never changed, so what we had to do was to strictly follow the guidelines. This time, however, they are constantly changing.”
“From the beginning of development, we sent a prototype to power users not only in Korea but also in the U.S. and European countries and based on their feedback, we’ve improved the product.”
The sense of touch and electricity consumption were improved based on such feedback.
By actively incorporating opinions of the product planning and marketing departments, the team changed the smartphone’s design seven times.
The timing of the release was set, but developers were embarrassed because of constantly changing guidelines.
Ahn said, “At one point, we received more than 1,000 pieces of feedback from overseas power users,” adding, “We felt increasingly burdened since we had to choose from them those that deserve attention and discuss whether corrections were necessary.”
○ Big change in decision making
It is difficult to achieve flexible product planning and rapid production at the same time. To meet these two goals, the company simplified the decision-making and reporting processes.
Kim said, “Previously, the staff members in charge submitted well-written reports to executives. Now, they have meetings with staff members with rough draft reports.”
This was to save time in drawing up reports and spend more time developing products.
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Did they think a lot when they decided to implement the toyish plastics on that -brilliant in other aspects- phone?
One thing to consider about that back everyone complains about. I've read that it is carbon fiber. It does look like it. If it is true, that is a very strong material and considered high end in automobile design to give strength and lighten the weight. And not cheap.
ewingr said:
One thing to consider about that back everyone complains about. I've read that it is carbon fiber. It does look like it. If it is true, that is a very strong material and considered high end in automobile design to give strength and lighten the weight. And not cheap.
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I think you're refering to the Captivate version on AT&T which has a carbon fiber pattern on it's battery door. Whether or not it's really carbon fiber I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure all other versions of the SGS are completely plastic.
If I'm wrong and the casing is made of carbon fiber, that'd be one more thing to add to the checklist for this excellent phone.
^ Its a carbon fiber lookalike plastic. Its NOT carbon fiber.
i work with carbon fiber and two reasons i doubt it's carbon fiber
a) cost of CF is high, even in this economy. Last price quote we had was in the $52 sq yard range - and yeah i know samsung would get a much better price, and it's only an approx pc sized at 3X5" but still the cost of it vs the faux CF would be excessive
b) CF shields electrical / radio signals - blocks them as effectively as tin foil or copper sheet
even black colored plastic degrades a radio signal some, as carbon is used as the coloring agent - that's the reason the last phone i bought and was offered in white as one of the options, i went with white
Hey Everyone,
I have a quick question for anyone who currently has an Adam. It was previously stated in one of the stupid crunchgear interviews with Rohan that the Adam should be easily opened.
I was curious if anyone could open it up, and look at the internals. Mainly, I was curious because everyone keeps saying that sniffer is reporting the internal memory as sdcard1, and if that's the case, it should be easily upgradeable (in my opinion at least) to a larger sd card (~32GB?), which would allow for a significant boost in memory.
We just need to know if that's the truth, or if sniffer just calls it that, and it is infact some internal flash memory that is integrated. And if it is discrete, what type of memory it is. Thanks for any information. I don't think there is a guide to busting this thing open yet, but I think Rohan did it in one of his videos, so maybe I'll try to find that and put it here for anyone to look at.
I don't have one yet, but i know what you are talking about. If you look at that interview it was from over a year ago and I think it was popped open so easily because it was a prototype. Hopefully I'm wrong, but that's my guess.
I know which one you are talking about, but that's not the same one I'm thinking of. I think you are referring to this video...
http://www.slashgear.com/notion-ink-adam-hands-on-0969281/
But I think there was a more recent one. Which I can't remember where it is. But he talks about how it should be easy to open in this video
http://www.youtube.com/notioninkfan#p/u/2/UAK9Q_sufYk
At about 5 minutes. When they are talking about service for the device.
Dougie2187 said:
Hey Everyone,
Adam should be easily opened.
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engadget.com/photos/notion-ink-atom/#2599625
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Thanks for the post, but I don't think this is a production Adam. This one has the smaller bezel, and no buttons around the screen, so that could easily just be the micro sd card slot.
Got internal photos from the FCC site itself: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...9;Y2GNI3421A01'
I do see a little possibility of using one of the USB ports and soldering a 32GB thumbdrive (Ubuntu! ) onto it.
A trickier mod will be getting a 4-port USB adaptor and de-solder the two onboard to power the 4-port and the re-solder 2 of the 4-port back to the de-soldered onboards...which leaves us 2 free ports to plug in anything which can be hidden in the casing.
What do guys think? Do let me know if it's feasible?
That FCC link didn't work for me, gives an error. Engadget has a gallery of all the FCC photos. Honestly, I'm a little startled. It looks like something home made rather than a company product.
Engadget asked, what does this say for longevity?
http://www.engadget.com/photos/notion-ink-adam-hits-the-fcc-torn-apart-in-haste-1/#3827437
All mood was gone
Link : engadget.com/2011/01/28/notion-ink-adam-hits-the-fcc-torn-apart-in-haste/
For such work the Chinese comrades and the Indian engineers need to be given on hands, for three years could not make normal motherboard. I do not wish to buy a set « Make itself ».
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That FCC link didn't work for me, gives an error. Engadget has a gallery of all the FCC photos. Honestly, I'm a little startled. It looks like something home made rather than a company product.
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Actually, I rather welcome such 'concept'. The modding would be much easier.
But we must all know that this unit has been deliberately disassembled into parts for FCC inspection. An average user wouldn't even see the innards of his/her gadgets through its shelf life. I mean, things can be tidied up alittle, wires cable-tied or tube shrinked.... but who sees them?
Its not the disassembly that concerns me it's how it was assembled, its not typically so hodgepodge like this. This wasn't a specific fcc model either. It was the same as those shipped to customers.
My concern is with the soldering, the braided and stranded wires and how long they are going to live up to daily use, heat, and movement.
Sure it could be good for a modder, but most of us don't know a great deal about hardware to mod.
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I'd say it looks possible space wise, only thing that would hold you back perhaps would be with regard to the power given to the USBs.
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Considering this is a startup company who probably rented out the cheapest chinese factory to put the thing together, the shoddy work isn't that surprising. Why people are making a deal of this is because of how much their ceo teased and built this tablet up for the past year, only to release the thing with shoddy software, screens, and gum holding it together.
Can you tell I'm disappointed? Lol
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So Adam is uglier then home made star fox 2 carts inside, not a deal breaker if no major issues arise from this.
Can anyone see where the mouse panel use to be connected?
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So Adam is uglier then home made star fox 2 carts inside, not a deal breaker if no major issues arise from this.
Can anyone see where the mouse panel use to be connected?
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I'm thinking it's the ribbon connector beside the SIM card slot.
[Edited: Went through Dragonitte's teardown on the production model, ribbon connector is actually the one to the screens.]
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Its not the disassembly that concerns me it's how it was assembled, its not typically so hodgepodge like this. This wasn't a specific fcc model either. It was the same as those shipped to customers.
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Well, since it has a trackpad on the back, I'd say your assumption is dead wrong. It's obviously not "the same as those shipped to customers". Possibly a prototype that's very near final design. I'm not sure.
The fcc pics are not valid, not the production model
Sorry for yelling. Just have to make people understand that there has not been a teardown of a production model adam yet. Your basing your fears on a prototype and bad reporting. Wait until notioninkhack does there teardown of the device.
Yeah guys, the stupid engadget report looks just like they are jumping to conclusions. I mean look at the external pictures. It even has what looks like a part for a back track pad still which is definitely not on production models.
Also, Rohan has responded to this on the blog.
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Sorry for yelling. Just have to make people understand that there has not been a teardown of a production model adam yet. Your basing your fears on a prototype and bad reporting. Wait until notioninkhack does there teardown of the device.
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The models submitted for FCC testing HAVE to be the retail models.
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The models submitted for FCC testing HAVE to be the retail models.
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No, they dont. FCC does't approve build quality, they approve signal/noise/communication type things. They obviously accept prototypes and not just retail models because in a Q/A on the site it says this:
"Q: My sample is a prototype, I can’t afford to have it destroyed by testing. Can we test FCC without destroying the sample?
A: FCC testing is usually not destructive. Tell your FCC lab what you want them to do with the sample when you are done with it. In many cases, it can be returned in the same shape it was submitted. If the sample fails, modifications to the sample to determine the corrective actions are quite frequently cosmetically damaging – warn the lab if you expect to reuse the sample after testing."
Just because you THINK something is true, doesn't make it true. Not the first time it's happened in just this thread, either.
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No, they dont. FCC does't approve build quality, they approve signal/noise/communication type things. They obviously accept prototypes and not just retail models because in a Q/A on the site it says this:
"Q: My sample is a prototype, I can’t afford to have it destroyed by testing. Can we test FCC without destroying the sample?
A: FCC testing is usually not destructive. Tell your FCC lab what you want them to do with the sample when you are done with it. In many cases, it can be returned in the same shape it was submitted. If the sample fails, modifications to the sample to determine the corrective actions are quite frequently cosmetically damaging – warn the lab if you expect to reuse the sample after testing."
Just because you THINK something is true, doesn't make it true. Not the first time it's happened in just this thread, either.
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Model's submitted to FCC testing are the final product that will hit shelves. Non functioning aspects of it may change (color, slight looks, etc), but all electronics must be final.
It's cute that you think a company can get FCC approval for one item, but ship another item under the same FCC ID.
So I had a chance to thoroughly test one of the units from the June batch and I can say I am disappointed.
1. There's a bright dot on the screen. At certain angles it is completely invisible but looking at it dead on it appears as a small bright white dot. Maybe I am moving my head or hands involuntarily but at some angles it appears as a small line, not a dot which leads me to believe that it may be dust. Opinions?
2. There is massive light bleed. Worse than the previous. There's so much light bleed that a 3x2 inch patch on the lower left looks uniformly gray on a black screen. Bleed on all four corners as well and some on the right edges. It's unacceptable now.
3. Sound seems to be balanced this time around, after 3.1 update sounds seemed a bit muted but it appears to be on some videos only, probably the gain on the video and not a TF problem. At least it's balanced left/right.
I think I should send this to Asus as I've exhausted all of the replacements eligible with TigerDirect but I'm not sure how the Asus replacement process will turn out.
In retrospect I should have kept the previous unit. No stuck pixel/dust, not as much light bleed. But now that I'm already at rock bottom (I think), I have no choice other than to do an Asus replacement. I'm willing to live with some minor defects now (even though it shouldn't be this way). I just want an "acceptable unit" and go on with my life. It's a good device but the quality control is worse than anything I've ever had to deal with.
Can anyone give details on what happens with Asus USA service? Turnaround time? What is replaced? What they want from you? I would be forever indebted.
I Heard Turn Around For Asus is Somwhere around 2 Weeks, Which is a long time.
Only thing I've noticed on my tf is the unbalanced sound (right louder than left) which seemed to start after the 3.1 update.
I think you should get a replacement from Asus. I've read some people have convinced Asus to mail them a new unit and then send there's in.
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So I had a chance to thoroughly test one of the units from the June batch and I can say I am disappointed.
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(1) How did you know it was from the 'June' batch? did it have made in June on the box?
(2)Yesterday i noticed a couple of posts about buying latter built versions of the unit, (even though there was nothing wrong with the first build! And today we have people posting how they've miraculously found units from the later build and how they are strangely just as bad
This forum is so full of preditable negative posting crap you could place bets in Vegas!
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(1) How did you know it was from the 'June' batch? did it have made in June on the box?
(2)Yesterday i noticed a couple of posts about buying latter built versions of the unit, (even though there was nothing wrong with the first build! And today we have people posting how they've miraculously found units from the later build and how they are strangely just as bad
This forum is so full of preditable negative posting crap you could place bets in Vegas!
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Your poor punctuation makes it difficult for me to determine who you're talking to. I didn't "miraculously" find a later build unit if you're talking about me. I sent my unit in late May and waited until second week of June for TD to ship a new unit out. TD sold out of them mid-May and I was told late May that they were getting a new shipment in June. This was substantiated by checking the website and noting the sold-out status. I waited from the end of May until the June shipment at which point the website showed stock was now in.
But you're right, how do I really know? Maybe Asus kept a bunch of units from April that they never sold and shipped them out to e-tailers in June just to piss people off or throw us all for a curve. Maybe TD doesn't really sell out of them either, they just mark it as out-of-stock and then they mark it as in-stock 2+ weeks later. This is a conspiracy to control demand.
TD doesn't allow refunds either, only exchanges. That means when a unit is sold it's sold, there's no way for unopened old units to get back into circulation unless Asus sent those to them.
Well that and the serial numbers between the two units show a significant difference if considered sequentially. The SN is of the format BXXAAAXXXXXX on both units where the number noted by X in both locations on the string is greater on unit two. Given that the first unit was purchased in May and came up with the latest update already applied it's safe to say that's not from the first batch and using the first as a reference point the second should be recent.
I don't know why you're offended. I haven't ragged on Asus or about the device itself, nor have I made a thread comparing TF to iPad 2 or Xoom. There's no reason for you to be so defensive about QC issues as if you're a personal guard dog for Asus (your signature is telling). These issues exist (even if this is worse than anything I've experienced). You take this personally because you misinterpret this as some sort of offense against Asus. I love the device but the QC issues are real regardless of how widespread they are. Note that I'm still not saying the device is bad or that Asus is a ****ty company despite what I've gone through.
I think you should get a replacement from Asus. I've read some people have convinced Asus to mail them a new unit and then send there's in.
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Thanks, I'll try.
I Heard Turn Around For Asus is Somwhere around 2 Weeks, Which is a long time.
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Eh, it's not that long to me. I've waited since April all time considered. I can wait two weeks.
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Your poor punctuation makes it difficult for me to determine who you're talking to. I didn't "miraculously" find a later build unit if you're talking about me. I sent my unit in late May and waited until second week of June for TD to ship a new unit out. TD sold out of them mid-May and I was told late May that they were getting a new shipment in June. This was substantiated by checking the website and noting the sold-out status. I waited from the end of May until the June shipment at which point the website showed stock was now in.
But you're right, how do I really know? Maybe Asus kept a bunch of units from April that they never sold and shipped them out to e-tailers in June just to piss people off or throw us all for a curve. Maybe TD doesn't really sell out of them either, they just mark it as out-of-stock and then they mark it as in-stock 2+ weeks later. This is a conspiracy to control demand.
TD doesn't allow refunds either, only exchanges. That means when a unit is sold it's sold, there's no way for unopened old units to get back into circulation unless Asus sent those to them.
Well that and the serial numbers between the two units show a significant difference if considered sequentially. The SN is of the format BXXAAAXXXXXX on both units where the number noted by X in both locations on the string is greater on unit two. Given that the first unit was purchased in May and came up with the latest update already applied it's safe to say that's not from the first batch and using the first as a reference point the second should be recent.
I don't know why you're offended. I haven't ragged on Asus or about the device itself, nor have I made a thread comparing TF to iPad 2 or Xoom. There's no reason for you to be so defensive about QC issues as if you're a personal guard dog for Asus (your signature is telling). These issues exist (even if this is worse than anything I've experienced). You take this personally because you misinterpret this as some sort of offense against Asus. I love the device but the QC issues are real regardless of how widespread they are. Note that I'm still not saying the device is bad or that Asus is a ****ty company despite what I've gone through.
Thanks, I'll try.
Eh, it's not that long to me. I've waited since April all time considered. I can wait two weeks.
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I'm not offended, i think people posting unsubstantiated negative crap is laughable.
I have to agree with Tubular about Asus QC. I have returned a total of 5 TFs because of massive black light bleeding and speaker issue. I decided to wait for the next batch, and hopefully all the issue will be fixed. Like Tubular, I love the TF. But the build quality is ridiculous. I never had to exchange anything more than once. I hope you will get a decent replacement Tubular. Let me know how it turns out.
What should you do?
first of all you should know that this forum will not be able to help you and anybody else, for that matter, with the hardware issues.
And since the tablet competition is at its peak right now, and since this is a software developing forum, the members with good units will always suspect that there are some hidden intentions.
I can only assume that your post here can have only one purpose, and that's to put some pressure on Asus for better QC in the future, the alternative is to discredit them.
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hagba said:
What should you do?
first of all you should know that this forum will not be able to help you and anybody else, for that matter, with the hardware issues.
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And how should I know that? I'm asking if anyone had experience with Asus USA RMA, that's not going to get me any help on this forum? As in not one person on this forum has had to go through an Asus RMA? Don't make me laugh.
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What should you do?
And since the tablet competition is at its peak right now, and since this is a software developing forum, the members with good units will always suspect that there are some hidden intentions.
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I don't really care if "members with good units will always suspect that there are some hidden intentions", that's called extreme paranoia and may require help by a mental health professional.
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I can only assume that your post here can have only one purpose, and that's to put some pressure on Asus for better QC in the future, the alternative is to discredit them.
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Or it could just be that I want some information about what happens in the RMA process. Good god you're dense. Yeah, you're totally right, there's only one reason why I would plunk $400.00 down on to a product and that's so that I hope it comes defective so I can put "pressure on Asus for better QC" (one would assume they should have had better QC in the first place) or "discredit them". You sound like an astroturfer. Even though you think you know everything you don't and your "conclusion" is wrong and horribly askew. You're looking far too deep into it, I'm not looking to pressure anyone or discredit Asus, I'm just looking for some god damn information on an RMA. It doesn't take a rocket scientist either, it's stated on the first post idiot!
As for the rest of you people, I'll keep you guys updated. I called Asus and they would only offer to repair a unit that's barely a week old and they want me to pay return shipping (which is standard fare for everyone who calls in). Now it's time to decide whether I live with this ridiculous lightbleed or send it back to Asus and take a gamble as to whether they might screw it up further. Right now I think I'll send it in, we'll see how this goes.
Straight from an HTC exec, the company has been downgraded from a Tier 1 client by many suppliers, meaning they don't get first dibs on components, because of poor shipment forecasts. Not only can they not acquire enough camera modules, but the metal casing is apparently also to blame for delays. When you tout the 200 minutes of CNC machining required just to make the phone's body, and you also want it to be a mass market success and not some custom low yield and expensive luxury item, there will be ramifications if you don't have the necessary production resources all in order. HTC didn't seem to prioritize ease of manufacturing, which has been the downfall of many other tech products and companies in the past.
Late last year, the iPhone 5 also experienced heavy delays because the metal casing was chipping and they needed to tighten quality control, which undoubtedy cost them a good chunk of sales. But Apple is a strong brand and people are willing to and used to waiting for their products. HTC doesn't have this sort of clout. They are trying to prove themselves after hitting rock bottom, to stand back up from the fall, but these continuing reports of delays are the death knell to HTC's carion call. Furthermore, the iPhone only experienced minor chipping and cosmetic issues that could be quickly rectified as they had the whole manufacturing process with Foxconn under their domain. HTC's obstacles are far larger and the outlook far more tenuous. Many people may hate the plastic build of Samsung's phones, but it can be churned out en masse with efficiency, and once the consumer can get past the cheaper feel, the phone is functionally similar in durability to a metal phone and far superior in reception.
Even when the HTC One finally gets released at the end of the month, it will be very limited, almost considered vaporware in some countries. Whether they can even secure a reliable manufacturing line after the soft launch is uncertain. What is certain though, is that the Galaxy S IV will be coming out in full force very soon, and other competitors are also not resting on their laurels. Is this the end for HTC?
More HTC One delays:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/19/htc-one-delayed/
http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/19/4122798/htc-one-delayed-because-of-component-shortage
It's been released already. I'm typing this on a One right now.
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It's been released already. I'm typing this on a One right now.
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Meanwhile, the rest of the world is still waiting.
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Meanwhile, the rest of the world is still waiting.
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I dunno people have been getting deliveries this week?
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I would imagine that anyone that has seen the phone and likes it would be prepared to wait a bit for it, but HTC certainly shot themselves in the foot with these problems. I may be a bit biased, I love HTC devices(Desire, currently E3D) pre-ordered ONE, but I feel the ONE will be worth the wait. For me don't like iPhones(way too small), SGS4 do not like the design, like the design of the Blackberry but not the size or OS, Like the Xperia Z a lot just not the skin. Bit of a dilema if not for the ONE. Thank HTC for the ONE.
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I'll point you directly to my blog post, so that I won't write everything again.
(includes aftermath pictures)
http://blog.ilogic.gr/can-you-use-a-microsoft-lumia-950-xl-as-a-skateboard/
To update on the data I report in the blog, I still have the phone as it looks in the pics.
We agreed with the retail shop (that directly belongs to the telephony provider), to follow up early January, so that processes are smoother (and possibly availability of the service kit).
Device is 100% functional with details below:
1) Camera looks perfect without flash.
2) With flash, some part of the cracked cover glass gives a reflection artifact, but nothing too serious for immediate fix.
3) Stock back creaks bit more (it was like "almost never" while now is like "mostly doesn't"). Waiting for Mozo availability in my country anyway.
I'd say with what is suffered (I bet nothing happened before the loaded slide), the device is pretty strong.
Let us know how you get on with fixing the glass, other than that kudos to the phone standing up to that! I stopped buying the wife iPhones as they break at the slightest knock
Oh man, that sucks, i sincerely hope you choose to include warranty!
That said, thanks for sharing the story, if the device can hold up to your kid, it can sure hold up to my daily use