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Nexus 6 10.1mm thickness?!?

Some people seem concerned the Nexus 6 has a 10.1mm thickness, yes it's 10.06mm at it's thickest point @ the top of the device The sides are 3.8mm and the bottom is slimmer (image 2).
So it's 3.8 to 10.06mm. This is good because it will help wield the device in one hand by having more surface area to grip since it has a natural curvature back.
Hopefully this clears it up for some potential buyers haha.
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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fn8OnzDO5Y

That's the top of the phone, right? What's next to the headset jack?

bigf00t said:
That's the top of the phone, right? What's next to the headset jack?
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That's the SIM card tray I believe

bigf00t said:
That's the top of the phone, right? What's next to the headset jack?
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The nano-SIM tray

Having a G3, I can attest that curved back really does help for one-hand use.
Although, the Nexus 6 might be big to the point where any kind of one-hand use would be a real challenge.

Bjray said:
Some people seem concerned the Nexus 6 has a 10.1mm thickness, yes it's 10.1mm at it's thickest point. The sides are 3.8mm
So it's 3.8 to 10.1mm. This is good because it will help wield the device in one hand by having more surface area to grip since it has a natural curvature back.
Hopefully this clears it up for some potential buyers haha.
Source: http://www.motorola.com/us/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html
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Wait a min, this is not a n6 right? How can a hand grab the whole phone
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bradputt said:
Wait a min, this is not a n6 right? How can a hand grab the whole phone
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I believe it's the moto X 2014 which is also 10mm thick by the way.
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I really hate that size and in this case the thin size becomes a point of issue, do not most of us put a case on the thing anyway?
So if they had managed to make it 3.8 evenly, it would be back up there once the case was on it, so to me it doesn't matter.

I think 10.1mm thick still can acceptable.

I prefer it was 12 or 14mm thick, but 10mm is acceptable.
bradputt said:
Wait a min, this is not a n6 right? How can a hand grab the whole phone
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You hand can grab the whole Nexus 6. It's only as big as the iPhone 6 Plus. Not even as big as a Galaxy Mega.

eksasol said:
I prefer it was 12 or 14mm thick, but 10mm is acceptable.
You hand can grab the whole Nexus 6. It's only as big as the iPhone 6 Plus. Not even as big as a Galaxy Mega.
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It's actually slightly larger than the iPhone 6+. It's smaller than the Galaxy Mega and the Nokia 1520, though.

By the time Note 4 owners add a Qi charging back cover they will be holding a 10mm thick brick. Even worse are the ZeroLemon battery nazis that will be holding 1999 Nextel bricks. Also worse than a 10mm device that tapers off to the edges that already has Qi built in.

eksasol said:
You hand can grab the whole Nexus 6. It's only as big as the iPhone 6 Plus.
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No it's actually quite a bit wider than the iPhone 6+, which will effect how it feels to hold a lot. See: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Google-Nexus-6,Apple-iPhone-6-Plus/phones/8626,8908
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Bjray said:
Some people seem concerned the Nexus 6 has a 10.1mm thickness, yes it's 10.1mm at it's thickest point. The sides are 3.8mm
So it's 3.8 to 10.1mm. This is good because it will help wield the device in one hand by having more surface area to grip since it has a natural curvature back.
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You really should make it clear in your OP that the photo is of the Moto X (a much smaller phone) not the Nexus 6. It makes the phone appear much smaller in the person's hand than the Nexus 6 will be.
The tapered edges, I think, help with the hand feel of a smaller phone like the Moto X or OnePlus One. But on an enormous phone like the Nexus 6, it's not going to help you wrap your hands around the overall width of the phone. And as far as putting the phone in your pocket goes, it's the dimension at the thickest point that counts. The tapered edges won't help with that at all.

cb474 said:
No it's actually quite a bit wider than the iPhone 6+, which will effect how it feels to hold a lot. See: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Google-Nexus-6,Apple-iPhone-6-Plus/phones/8626,8908
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You really should make it clear in your OP that the photo is of the Moto X (a much smaller phone) not the Nexus 6. It makes the phone appear much smaller in the person's hand than the Nexus 6 will be.
The tapered edges, I think, help with the hand feel of a smaller phone like the Moto X or OnePlus One. But on an enormous phone like the Nexus 6, it's not going to help you wrap your hands around the overall width of the phone. And as far as putting the phone in your pocket goes, it's the dimension at the thickest point that counts. The tapered edges won't help with that at all.
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It's just a reference showing the exact same degree of the the curve that the N6 also has. Didn't think anyone would mistake it for the N6.
And yes it could help with wielding the overall width of the device, pick up a Note 4 and it feels like a brick, add a slight curve to it and it'll fit more naturally in your hand (look at your fingers when holding one, they curve anyway).
Found some better pictures (it's an actual Nexus 6 this time! )
And BTW most devices are around 10mm also at some section, look at the Note 4's camera sticking out. The N6 is flush.

I don't mind the thickness, the height but I do mind the width.
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Bjray said:
And yes it could help with wielding the overall width of the device, pick up a Note 4 and it feels like a brick, add a slight curve to it and it'll fit more naturally in your hand.
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As I said, for something as extremely large as the Nexus 6, I just don't think the taper is going to make that much of a difference. In reviews of the 2nd Gen Moto X and OnePlus One, with tapered edges, reviewers are pretty clear that the taper helps, but is not as good as a device that is simply overall thinner. And those are smaller phones. It's a mistake to assume that tapers are equally effective in all cases. For the Nexus 6, it's just a super wide phone, compared to other phablets. It's going to be a lot to wrap your hand around, anyway you cut it.
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Found some better pictures (it's an actual Nexus 6 this time! )
And BTW most devices are around 10mm also at some section, look at the Note 4's camera sticking out. The N6 is flush.
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I don't think the Note 4 is a good phone to compare to the Nexus 6 for thinness. It's only 1.5 mm thinner. The iPhone 6+ is a better point of comparison. It's 3 mm thinner--making the Nexus 6 40% thicker.
Also people should keep in mind that the 3.8 mm dimension at the edge is only exactly at the edge. Even a couple mm before the edge, the phone is significantly thicker. In the photos you provide it's pretty easy to see that the taper is very slight until you get pretty close to the side of the Nexus 6. Actually, those photos make the taper on the Nexus 6 seem much less than on the 2nd Gen Moto X (but maybe it's just the photos).
What's more, none of this responds to my point that when the phone is in your pocket (if you can get it in there) the tapers aren't going to make any difference. In your pocket it's only the thickest point that's going to matter. So the already potentially marginal benefits of the taper, should not be overstated and overgeneralized.
As I've been saying in another thread, I just don't see the point in pretending the Nexus 6 is not a very large phone that is going to feel pretty beefy in the hand and be hard to get into any kind of pocket. It's a great phone. Many people like the size. But for those who are concerned about the size and who aren't into huge phones, they have reason to be concerned.
That aside, where did you find those photos?

cb474 said:
(1) I don't think the Note 4 is a good phone to compare to the Nexus 6 for thinness. It's only 1.5 mm thinner. The iPhone 6+ is a better point of comparison. It's 3 mm thinner--making the Nexus 6 40% thicker.
(2) What's more, none of this responds to my point that when the phone is in your pocket (if you can get it in there) the tapers aren't going to make any difference. In your pocket it's only the thickest point that's going to matter. So the already potentially marginal benefits of the taper, should not be overstated and overgeneralized.
(3) That aside, where did you find those photos?
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1: That's the only photo showing the top and bottom of the N6. Also why even compare it to a iPhone? We're talking about an Android enthusiast device after all. The Note 4 is the closest apples to apples comparison.
2: If you can pocket a Note device, you pocket a Nexus 6. Simple as that. Your not going to feel or see a 1.6mm difference....
3: The source is posted in the OP.
I understand where your coming from, but I think you've got tapered edges and fully curved backs confused.
Tapered edges = Just a taper on the edges of the body. The iPhone 6 and Note 4 have these, but not curved backs.
Curved back = The whole back cover is curved with the middle being thicker by design so your fingers rest / grip on it. The HTC One M8 is 9.4mm thick but it doesn't feel like it at all because it's curved back is creating an illusion.
There is quite a difference between the two. The only con (with fully curved) is a thicker device down the middle BUT it does feel like a smaller device because creating an illusion that it's smaller.

Bjray said:
1: That's the only photo showing the top and bottom of the N6. Also why even compare it to a iPhone? We're talking about an Android enthusiast device after all. The Note 4 is the closest apples to apples comparison.
2: If you can pocket a Note device, you pocket a Nexus 6. Simple as that. Your not going to feel or see a 1.6mm difference....
3: The source is posted in the OP.
I understand where your coming from, but I think you've got tapered edges and fully curved backs confused.
Tapered edges = Just a taper on the edges of the body. The iPhone 6 and Note 4 have these, but not curved backs.
Curved back = The whole back cover is curved with the middle being thicker by design so your fingers rest / grip on it. The HTC One M8 is 9.4mm thick but it doesn't feel like it at all because it's curved back is creating an illusion.
There is quite a difference between the two. The only con (with fully curved) is a thicker device down the middle BUT it does feel like a smaller device because creating an illusion that it's smaller.
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We're taking about hardware. It's irrelevant what OS the phone runs. The iPhone 6+ shows us what a thin large phablet can be like. Are you saying only Apple is capable of making a phone that thin? My point was that comparing the thickness of the Nexus 6 to the Note 4 to make it seem not so thick is not a good point of comparison, because the iPhone 6+ shows us how much thinner a phone of this size can be. A similar photo of the Nexus 6 and the iPhone 6+ stacked on top of each other would make the Nexus 6 seem like the beefy phone that it is.
I think a lot of people would question whether you can pocket a Note device. And it is absurd to say that if you can pocket a Note then you can pocket the Nexus 6. The Nexus 6 is half a centimeter wider than the Note 4, almost half a centimeter taller, and thicker. They are in no way equivalent in size. Look at the two phones in PhoneArena's size comparison tool: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...exus-6,Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4/phones/8626,8577 Any reasonable person looking at that can see that the Nexus 6 is a significantly larger phone than the Note 4.
When I said tapered edges, I meant it in the sense that you're using "curved back," so you're positing a difference that isn't one. The truth is almost all of the thinness of the Nexus 6 is very close to the edge. The curve of the back from the middle does make it much thinner for most of the back.
You're right that curved backs can make phones nice to hold, when they are a reasonable size like the 1st Gen Moto X, with a 4.7" screen. That phone was praised higly by most reviewers for how great it felt to hold. But the same reviewers all have found larger devices with similar designs, like the 2nd Gen Moto X and the OnePlus One, to not be nearly as nice to hold. They grant that the taper/curve mitigates some of the size of the phone, but do not say it magically makes it feel like a smaller phone. There's a difference between mitigating the effects of the size and simply being a smaller phone. And the 2nd Gen Moto X and OnePlus One are nowhere near as big as the Nexus 6. The taper/curve design simply has diminishing returns as the device gets bigger. At some point it's just wide and hard to get your hand around.
Would you assert that Nexus 7 tablet (more than twice as wide as the Nexus 6), if it had the same curved back design, would be fine to hold in one hand, because of the curve? Obviously that would be an absurd position to take. Overall deminsions matter. The Nexus 6 is not going to fit comfortably in most people's hands, unless your an NBA player. Get over it. It's a huge device. If you like that fine. But insisting that it will fit well in the hand (or pocket) is silly. It's going to be a challenge for the vast majority of people.

cb474 said:
We're taking about hardware. It's irrelevant what OS the phone runs. The iPhone 6+ shows us what a thin large phablet can be like. Are you saying only Apple is capable of making a phone that thin? My point was that comparing the thickness of the Nexus 6 to the Note 4 to make it seem not so thick is not a good point of comparison, because the iPhone 6+ shows us how much thinner a phone of this size can be. A similar photo of the Nexus 6 and the iPhone 6+ stacked on top of each other would make the Nexus 6 seem like the beefy phone that it is.
I think a lot of people would question whether you can pocket a Note device. And it is absurd to say that if you can pocket a Note then you can pocket the Nexus 6. The Nexus 6 is half a centimeter wider than the Note 4, almost half a centimeter taller, and thicker. They are in no way equivalent in size. Look at the two phones in PhoneArena's size comparison tool: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...exus-6,Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4/phones/8626,8577 Any reasonable person looking at that can see that the Nexus 6 is a significantly larger phone than the Note 4.
When I said tapered edges, I meant it in the sense that you're using "curved back," so you're positing a difference that isn't one. The truth is almost all of the thinness of the Nexus 6 is very close to the edge. The curve of the back from the middle does make it much thinner for most of the back.
You're right that curved backs can make phones nice to hold, when they are a reasonable size like the 1st Gen Moto X, with a 4.7" screen. That phone was praised higly by most reviewers for how great it felt to hold. But the same reviewers all have found larger devices with similar designs, like the 2nd Gen Moto X and the OnePlus One, to not be nearly as nice to hold. They grant that the taper/curve mitigates some of the size of the phone, but do not say it magically makes it feel like a smaller phone. There's a difference between mitigating the effects of the size and simply being a smaller phone. And the 2nd Gen Moto X and OnePlus One are nowhere near as big as the Nexus 6. The taper/curve design simply has diminishing returns as the device gets bigger. At some point it's just wide and hard to get your hand around.
Would you assert that Nexus 7 tablet (more than twice as wide as the Nexus 6), if it had the same curved back design, would be fine to hold in one hand, because of the curve? Obviously that would be an absurd position to take. Overall deminsions matter. The Nexus 6 is not going to fit comfortably in most people's hands, unless your an NBA player. Get over it. It's a huge device. If you like that fine. But insisting that it will fit well in the hand (or pocket) is silly. It's going to be a challenge for the vast majority of people.
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I was just saying sure we could compare it to an iPhone 6+ but is it really fair? Sure it will show how beefy the N6 is in the middle but can you really say the iP6+ and N6 have the same capability's regardless of the OS. That's why I'm saying it's kind of a useless comparison IMHO.
And we're talking about the thickness of the device are we not? You made it seem like the extra 1.6mm thickness alone would make a "absurd" footprint for a pocket.
Also I wasn't trying to get the point across that the N6 will feel smaller because of a curved back. Rather it would make it simply easier hold to which is better than nothing at all. (you don't think a curved back would make it worse, now do you?)
Also the OnePlus One doesn't really even have a curved back the LG G3 is much better (and reviewers say so) but the Moto X, One M8 and N6 are still at the extremes according to the degree of the the curve. Just something to think about when referencing that 5.5"+ devices with a curve is not as effective (which it isn't, but it also isn't useless).
And no the N7 with a truly curved back would not be a good idea, since your hands already have a hard time fully wrapping your hands around it. So tapered edges are the superior choice beyond that point.
And you seem to not have any experience with a Note or any phablet device for the matter. Therefor it's probably hard for you to comprehend that size in your pocket without experiencing it first hand. Heck, my mom (not a NBA player) has a Mega with an 6.3" screen and we can still hold the device OK and pocket it fine.
People have different width and overall phone footprint tolerances. What seems like it needs "NBA player-sized" hands to you, is easy and comfortable for a lot of users. Get over it.
Anyway, this is getting nowhere since we don't have the device yet. Not even reviews either. Let's just wait for those before passing judgment.

Bjray said:
I was just saying sure we could compare it to an iPhone 6+ but is it really fair? Sure it will show how beefy the N6 is in the middle but can you really say the iP6+ and N6 have the same capability's regardless of the OS. That's why I'm saying it's kind of a useless comparison IMHO.
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Again, we're talking about comparing physical designs and what is possible with them. The OS is irrelevant. By your logic, even your comparison between the Note 4 and the Nexus 6 is "useless" since one has a skinned version of Android and the other stock Android. It's not the same interface skin so how can we possibly compare the hardware? Your position makes no sense.
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And we're talking about the thickness of the device are we not? You made it seem like the extra 1.6mm thickness alone would make a "absurd" footprint for a pocket.
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The Nexus 6 is 40% thicker (3mm thicker) than the iPhone 6+. I was arguing that is a good way to get an idea of how beefy the Nexus 6 is. The Note 4 is 1.5 mm thinner than the Nexus 6 (I don't know where your 1.6 mm number comes from). I was simply arguing that if someone already finds the Note 4 not to be readily pocketable (as many people do) then the Nexus 6 is going to be worse, because it is thicker. I can't imagine how any reasonable person could argue otherwise.
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Also I wasn't trying to get the point across that the N6 will feel smaller because of a curved back. Rather it would make it simply easier hold to which is better than nothing at all.
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Yes, I understand you were saying the curved back makes it easier to hold. My point is: 1) A curved back makes a phone easier to hold than if it does not have a curved back. It does not making it easier to hold than a phone that is simply smaller. 2) There is a point at which a phone is so wide that it really is irrelevant whether the back is curved or not. Some things can't be mitigated by design. The Nexus 6 is huge. I think the curved back will not be nearly as beneficial as with smaller phones like the LG G3, let alone the even smaller 1st Gen Moto X. Many many reviewers have made this point. I find it to be true also in my experience with the phones.
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And no the N7 with a truly curved back would not be a good idea, since your hands already have a hard time fully wrapping your hands around it. So tapered edges are the superior choice beyond that point.
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Um, I brought up the N7 example only as an absurd example of how beyond a certain size you can't hold something comfortably in one hand, let alone even wrap a single had around the device, so the a curve in the back would not matter. I'm surprised you're taking the point literally. Maybe I should have used a current generation iMac (which have similar curved backs) as an example, perhaps then it would have been obvious that the curve of the back does not make the device easily held in the palm of one's hand.The point is that as the device gets larger, the curve of a back offers diminishing returns for holdling it in a single hand. I think the benefits with the Nexus 6 will be minimal, since they already don't help that nearly as muchy with the 2nd Gen Moto X and OnePlus One, as with the smaller 1st Gen Moto X.
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And you seem to not have any experience with a Note or any phablet device for the matter. Therefor it's probably hard for you to comprehend that size in your pocket without experiencing it first hand. Heck, my mom (not a NBA player) has a Mega with an 6.3" screen and we can still hold the device OK and pocket it fine.
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Your Mom must have big pockets, since most people find even the smaller Note devices not to be very pocketable. Anyway, I have experience with all of these phones. I was only pointing to the comments of reviewers to make it clear that few people with a lot of experience with phones share your opinion about the curved back on very large devices and the pocketability of a very large device like the Nexus 6.
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People have different width and overall phone footprint tolerances. What seems like it needs "NBA player-sized" hands to you, is easy and comfortable for a lot of users.
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Only 14% of the smartphone market worldwide is phablets. The vast majority of people do not like these large devices and find them cumbersome to use. Yes, there are many people that like them. I have acknowledged that all along. For those people, the Nexus 6 is a great device.
But your argument seems to be that anyone who doesn't like the size of the Nexus 6 is wrong and should like it, because you will dictate to them that the size is fine and there is no grounds for any objection. That's just ridiculous. My argument is that people have different prefences about size. Some people like phablets. More people don't like them. But there is no reason to pretend that the Nexus 6 is not huge and try to convince people who don't like phablets that the Nexus 6 is not that big. It's huge (and it's thick for such a big device) and that's the truth. People just have to decide whether they are okay with that or not.

Any Regrets?

Has anyone bought the 6P and then asked themselves "why on earth did I spend the money, the other one was equally as good as this one".
I'm torn because from a standpoint of specs I just don't see a bunch of difference and the 6 is a great phone. SO that's the question, if anyone regrets it other than the fact it's a new phone, i would love to hear your take. :silly:
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6 vs 6P, maybe there's an argument there. I came from the N5.. No contest.
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Came from the ZenFone 2....no regrets either.

Came from the S5 and this phone seems like an answered prayer.
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I came from a Note 5 and I have no regrets. Much more clean and smooth.

USMC retired said:
Has anyone bought the 6P and then asked themselves "why on earth did I spend the money, the other one was equally as good as this one".
I'm torn because from a standpoint of specs I just don't see a bunch of difference and the 6 is a great phone. SO that's the question, if anyone regrets it other than the fact it's a new phone, i would love to hear your take. :silly:
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Yes I have had this internal discussion. I had the OG LG G2 and it is perfect in every way for me at least. I do really like the larger screen but I will miss the G2.
The thing with specs are they are just that....specs... the lg g2 still feels fast and has no real lag and its old as F*******

Coming from the Nexus 6, I can say there was enough there to make me want the 6P. Sensor hub+ doze, battery, processor, finger print scanner, better display, not so wide frame, camera, it doesn't rock around on the table when you try to use it, 128GB, etc... I can say it is a solid upgrade in just about every way.
It's still brand spanking new, and I still haven't gotten over that kid in a candy store feel of getting a new device. Right now I would say I am extremely pleased and not regretting the purchase at all. Time will tell if I develop any complaints.
Edit: I would say the slightly smaller screen was the only thing I immediately noticed was different while using it, but it was not really a downgrade. 5.7 vs 5.9 inches isn't a huge change in real estate, but it still is a change. On the bright side, at least the 6P fits in my car's cupholder!

My only concern is the size. Coming from m8; this phone is way took big but I really like the specs of it. Trying to get used to the size.

Not one bit. I love this phone. Plus, mine seems to be bug or defect free. Yay!
Former Z3 owner.

I dont use my N6 for anything anymore..
This phone is sooooo much batter
Fingerprint scanner
Not as wide
Awesome dual front speakers
Better camera
Way better gaming performance
Better screen

0 regrets. Love doze, the screen, the speakers, the freedom to do whatever I like with the software. I am a bit hesitant about the camera but hopefully they push some software improvements later.

Slightly disappointred with my display. Whites are dirty / yellowish when looking straight at it. Look much better when viewing from an angle. Suffering a bit of color changing when i move the handset about.
Last phones was a Nexus 5, and a couple of months with a cheapy UMI Iron. Both of which had better whites. Hoping this is fixable.

Too big , mine is going back. My LG g3 had nearly the same size display in a much smaller package.
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Tones1971 said:
Slightly disappointred with my display. Whites are dirty / yellowish when looking straight at it. Look much better when viewing from an angle. Suffering a bit of color changing when i move the handset about.
Last phones was a Nexus 5, and a couple of months with a cheapy UMI Iron. Both of which had better whites. Hoping this is fixable.
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I know that you shouldn't have to for the price point of this phone, but there is already a kernel to adjust the screen temps and there will undoubtedly be more. LCD screens always have cooler, crisper light colors that comparatively seem almost dingey on AMOLEDs. But hey, you have a Nexus, so you can adjust everything you need to on a software level

None.
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Nope 'no ragrets' (if anyone gets that reference) i came from a 64gb Nexus 6 which cost me $700+ tax so for $650+ tax the 128gb 6P was a steal. I love this phone and the camera is a beast. I haven't looked back and even sold my old Nexus 6 because i like this phone so much.
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bjoostema said:
I know that you shouldn't have to for the price point of this phone, but there is already a kernel to adjust the screen temps and there will undoubtedly be more. LCD screens always have cooler, crisper light colors that comparatively seem almost dingey on AMOLEDs. But hey, you have a Nexus, so you can adjust everything you need to on a software level
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Eww LCD display are a thing of the past i prefer AMOLED screens because you get a true black and they just look better. If i could have an OLED or AMOLED TV and not pay $$$$$$$$ i gladly would buy one. I have a really nice LG monitor but the backlight annoys me and I wish it was an AMOLED especially after paying $1k for it. Everyone has their preference and mine is and always will be an OLED or AMOLED

Pilz said:
Nope 'no ragrets' (if anyone gets that reference) i came from a 64gb Nexus 6 which cost me $700+ tax so for $650+ tax the 128gb 6P was a steal. I love this phone and the camera is a beast. I haven't looked back and even sold my old Nexus 6 because i like this phone so much.
Eww LCD display are a thing of the past i prefer AMOLED screens because you get a true black and they just look better. If i could have an OLED or AMOLED TV and not pay $$$$$$$$ i gladly would buy one. I have a really nice LG monitor but the backlight annoys me and I wish it was an AMOLED especially after paying $1k for it. Everyone has their preference and mine is and always will be an OLED or AMOLED
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I'm actually an AMOLED fan myself :highfive: it took me a while to get used to the difference in whites coming from an HTC M8 to the droid turbo (my 6p won't be in hand until tomorrow). But I had an S4 prior to the M8 and I truly appreciate the saturated darks on AMOLEDs. After a week or so, I never even notice the slight hues associated with AMOLED screens but I think some are just more sensitive toniticing the the contrast than others. Hopefully in the next 5 years an AMOLED TV will become a more affordable option

bjoostema said:
I'm actually an AMOLED fan myself :highfive: it took me a while to get used to the difference in whites coming from an HTC M8 to the droid turbo (my 6p won't be in hand until tomorrow). But I had an S4 prior to the M8 and I truly appreciate the saturated darks on AMOLEDs. After a week or so, I never even notice the slight hues associated with AMOLED screens but I think some are just more sensitive toniticing the the contrast than others. Hopefully in the next 5 years an AMOLED TV will become a more affordable option
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That's how I feel. My first Android phone was the S3 which had an AMOLED screen them I had a Note 3. I moved in to a LCD on my G3 and while i liked the phone the screen at times was horrible in comparison. I've had some other LCD phones and tablets but anything with an AMOLED will win my money in the end. It's sad to see Motorola stray from them because now we are left with Samsung phones, and Nexii for now (for the most part). I'm sure with the recent rumors of apple considering an AMOLED will spark further demand for them which is a good thing. I really enjoy how nice AMOLED/OLED screens look. Let's not forget the battery life that usually follows which is generally better.

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That's how I feel. My first Android phone was the S3 which had an AMOLED screen them I had a Note 3. I moved in to a LCD on my G3 and while i liked the phone the screen at times was horrible in comparison. I've had some other LCD phones and tablets but anything with an AMOLED will win my money in the end. It's sad to see Motorola stray from them because now we are left with Samsung phones, and Nexii for now (for the most part). I'm sure with the recent rumors of apple considering an AMOLED will spark further demand for them which is a good thing. I really enjoy how nice AMOLED/OLED screens look. Let's not forget the battery life that usually follows which is generally better.
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I couldn't agree more with you man. That was a really odd move on Moto's part IMO because of their way of delivering notifications...really stupid to move away from the low battery draw of AMOLEDs regarding active notifications. Though, I think Moto is a sinking ship in general these days, but that a-whole-nother discussion. I hope Apple does push for AMOLED so that it becomes more coveted feature, but it takes them a while to get on board with big changes.

Love the phone coming from a Verizon note 3. Two comments. One, the battery life isn't that great compared to the note. Samsung actually did a great job there imo. But I can still get two days out of the phone with light to moderate usage so all good. Two, for whatever reason apps take a long time to install after the download is finished. Everything else is fast on the phone.

Is It worth switching from the pure to the 6p?

I am thinking about switching to the 6p. 808 has been a letdown for me and I am worried about future updates because of lenovo.

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I am thinking about switching to the 6p. 808 has been a letdown for me and I am worried about future updates because of lenovo.
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Of course it is the worth, 6p is a much better phone than mxp but it costs more (obviously) and the thing that i dont like about it is the glass camera frame (so ugly)

Personally, I wouldn't switch to a nexus. Its a great phone, sure, but I like having an SD card slot. That and the price of the 6p.
If that doesn't sway your decision, I'd say go for it otherwise.

This video is pretty interesting... Especially around 6:30 when both phones are nice and hot and he runs Antutu benchmark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvCM1McR42Q

I just made the switch about 3 weeks ago. For me it was especially worth it since I could sell my X for the same purchase price of a refurb 6p. But Even if there were a price difference, it's a worthwhile upgrade for me. The only thing to keep in mind is Google is probably going to pump out a new nexus phone or two this fall hopefully with Snapdragon 820's onboard. THe 820 is leaps and bounds above the 810 in the 6p and the 808 in the X and I'm looking forward to my next phone having one. It really comes down to your willingness to wait with an admittedly great Moto X for the new Nexus or jump up to a fantastic experience from the current offering.
Pure nexus on 6p vs MotoX is a much smoother experience in my opinion having run them side by side for a few days.

I've ditched 6p for MXPE for a couple of reasons.
The main reason for this was this awful AMOLED screen. It has a lot of issues and even if you are lucky enough and won't get any pink spots or greenish tones to your screen, you'll still get awful ghosting of dark objects with black backgrounds and small letters will fall apart while scrolling. This was driving me nuts and just after a week of using this crappy screen I've sold 6p and bought MXPE. Oh, and also, just in a week, there was a lot of noticeable burn-ins around navbar and status bar. I just don't want to know, what will happen to this screen in a year.
So, here are my personal reasons to choose 6p over MXPE:
1) Amazing camera. MXPE has awful camera, it is usable only in perfect conditions and despite having 21 mpx it just doesn't deliver such great pictures, as 6p does.
2) Performance. Even though I've thought 6p was a little slower then Nexus 5, MXPE is really disappointing. Snapdragon 808 can't cope with QHD screen. Stutters all over the place, scroll is nowhere as smooth as it was back in 2014 with Nexus 5 and Oneplus One.
3) Community. After a couple of years with Nexuses, I can't understand, why there are so few people trying to develop something for this phone. With open-sourced kernel, opened bootloader, such low price and near-stock official firmware I thought MXPE would gather a lot of developers. But still, after more than half a year after release, there is still no fully-functional Cyanogenmod ROM, for instance.
4) Technologies. Type C interface and Nexus Imprint are nice, but they are not necessary.
But, as well, I can mention, why MXPE is better, than 6p:
1) Design. This is not a huge deal, for me both of these phones look and feel great. I just preferred a little more roundness in Motorola, as well as textured back cover. It's nicer and a lot more grippier, than aluminum in 6p.
2) Screen. As mentioned above, this was a deal-breaker for me. IPS is a lot better technology, than AMOLED. IMHO, of course. But never again, AMOLED just won't work for me unless engineers figure out, how to make every single pixel (LED) operate at 60+ Hz frequency for smooth transitions.
3) Speakers. Even though 6p also has front-facing speakers, Motorola's speakers are way nicer. They sound amazing.
4) Build quality. 6p feels a bit tender and weak. It feels like it can be broken in half easily. Motorola is built to last, it feels sturdy. I am pretty sure it will survive a couple of drops. Even in water, according to IP52 resistance. Of course this certificate means that it'll survive a rain, but I am pretty sure it can survive a couple of seconds in water in case of accident.

First Impressions about HTC U11

Hello, everyone!
I watched few reviews about the phone...And really sorry to say it but I'm not much impressed, but I definitely will upgrade to from htc one m8. Big htc fan here . I like the style, screen, colours ..Can't really say about the camera probably will be good.The new sound should be awesome + the headphones... But when come to the software..... For one year they didn't touch the sense? Really ? Even TouchWiz is changing, can't understand why htc decided to stay at sense 8, or like is now just "HTC Sense UI" . In the whole review, I generally see - The colours, squeeze (I think they too much depending on this new feature which we still didn't know how it will work after month or two of using it), How google OK works that was fun tho , wasn't working the first few times and the 3d sound...And exactly how they said - simple. And I wasn't disappointed like this from quite long time .I expected something more "brilliant". They just made a review on software app - the edge stuff, htc companion and OK Google They even didn't mention htc sense, which didn't move much from 2015. Isn't this little bit pathetic to you? I want to hear your thoughts on that. Did you expect more, like me? Anyway, I'm still considering buying it when the sales start in my region.

Well having been able to hold it in my hands and play with it for a few hours I can say the following:
First of I really like the Edge Sense feature as it worked really well on my review unit. In combination with a deeply integrated Goggle Assistant and Amazon Alexa it will be a well done upgrade if new ways of using your phone. Sense has made a large step in the last year and continues in debloating with regard to reducing HTC Apps that are redundant to Google Apps, as well as tweaks regarding performance done under the hood, and last but not least integration of the above mentioned Edge Sense.
Camera is top notch, achieving highest DxOMark - 90 Points - rating of a Smartphone thus far.
Audio has come one step further as well. Only thing to name here, as it will already suffice, is the implementation of Active Noise Cancellation with the In-Ear Headphones coming in the box, and USB-C-to-3.5mm-adapter that brings an integrated Amplifier as well an an 24bit DAC.
The display, though some might dislike the design of the front, has really deep blacks and good colours - especially if compared to an AMOLED.
Ah and IP67 of course is a great step forward.
Those are just my 2 cent of a first impression coming from a personal hands on. Mire will follow once I receive the U11 myself and go to some more time to play.
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How black is black? The G6 came close to AMOLED with a 0.228 cd/m2 and the HTC 10 logged in at 0.29 according to the GSMArena review.

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How black is black? The G6 came close to AMOLED with a 0.228 cd/m2 and the HTC 10 logged in at 0.29 according to the GSMArena review.
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Screen noticeably better than on 10. U11 is a "must update" for anyone holding prior to a 10. For 10 owners, not mandatory (but definitely better in several ways).

anyone listened to the headphones is it the same loudness of of htc 10 ?

Huge ugly bezels and only 71.4% screen to body ratio.
Looks very much like a pixel from the front which had a very "dated" look from the front and that was months ago in 2016. This being 2017 now this large bezeled design looks even more outdated.
HTC failed in this aspect and really should have shrunk the bezels and made the screen larger as 5.5" is just too small and large bezels are an eyesore.
Other than that the phone seems really great on paper to me and has some very desriable specs.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Well having been able to hold it in my hands and play with it for a few hours I can say the following:
First of I really like the Edge Sense feature as it worked really well on my review unit. In combination with a deeply integrated Goggle Assistant and Amazon Alexa will be of a well done upgrade if new ways using your phone. Sense has made a large step in the last year and continues in debloating with regard to reducing HTC Apps that are redundant to Google Apps, as well as tweaks regarding performance done under the hood, and last but not least integration of the above mentioned Edge Sense.
Camera is top notch, achieving highest DxOMark - 90 Points - rating of a Smartphone thus far.
Audio has come One step further as well. Just One thing to name is the implementation of Active Noise Cancellation with the In-Ear Headphones coming in the box, and USB-C-to-3.5mm-adapter that brings an integrated Amplifier as well an an 24bit DAC.
The display, though some might dislike the design of the front, has really deep blacks and good colours - especially if compared to an AMOLED.
Ah and IP67 of course is a great step forward.
Those are just my 2 cent of a first impression coming from a personal hands on. Mire will follow once I receive the U11 myself and go to some more time to play.
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This is good to hear. I'm a big fan of HTC and this device seems a step in the right direction for them. I put my pre-order in and am very excited. I've also always liked HTC for their willingness to let users unlock as they please, dev friendly. This phone has me pretty excited.

One thing I need to know, is the earpiece speaker better/louder than the horribly quiet 10? If I'm anywhere other than a relatively quiet place I can barely hear anyone on a phone call.

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This is good to hear. I'm a big fan of HTC and this device seems a step in the right direction for them. I put my pre-order in and am very excited. I've also always liked HTC for their willingness to let users unlock as they please, dev friendly. This phone has me pretty excited.
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Which colour did you pick. I went for black. Thought of ordering the Amazing Silver but they didn't have it at my carried in Germany. Those two colours are the most gorgeous ones in my eyes. Maybe black is better as on silver you can see fingerprints a lot better than on the black one. Guess this would get me on my nerves by the time anyway.
And the glas, as well as the metal edge are feeling really good in hands. Was a warm day when I used it this first time, and it had a good grip even with my sweaty hands. There was no time it felt slippery to me.
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I'm excited to see how the device does irl, I never pre-order. The echo dots are cool, but I don't think I will use them much. Also concerned about charging and using headphones at the same time. I do that at work and on flights. I might wait for the note 8, but that is a long way off and will probably be a huge phone.
For the money, I think the U11 is the best bang/buck combo, especially because it is unlocked, will have custom roms and all kinds of tweaks that this great community will use.
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Huge ugly bezels and only 71.4% screen to body ratio.
Looks very much like a pixel from the front which had a very "dated" look from the front and that was months ago in 2016. This being 2017 now this large bezeled design looks even more outdated.
HTC failed in this aspect and really should have shrunk the bezels and made the screen larger as 5.5" is just too small and large bezels are an eyesore.
Other than that the phone seems really great on paper to me and has some very desriable specs.
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Get out of here Sammy fanboy. My current HTC 10 is 5.2" and it's not small by any means. I couldn't care less about the bezels on this device or mine... I'll take them over the gimmicky curved edges that cause a slew of annoyances and functionality issues. I had the S8 for a week and I took that crap back and gladly paid the $50 restock fee.

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Get out of here Sammy fanboy. My current HTC 10 is 5.2" and it's not small by any means. I couldn't care less about the bezels on this device or mine... I'll take them over the gimmicky curved edges that cause a slew of annoyances and functionality issues. I had the S8 for a week and I took that crap back and gladly paid the $50 restock fee.
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Yeah im honestly not a huge fan of the edge screens either ..gotten used to it but would prefer a flat screen for sure.
And just because 5.2 isnt small to you automatically means that everyone should think the same?
And fanboy? Takes one to know one HTC fanboy

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Yeah im honestly not a huge fan of the edge screens either ..gotten used to it but would prefer a flat screen for sure.
And just because 5.2 isnt small to you automatically means that everyone should think the same?
And fanboy? Takes one to know one HTC fanboy
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Given an option I'd like less bezel for sure but definitely not even close to a deal breaker. I have multiple phones Pixel XL is my daily driver, have iPhone 7 plus, S8+ and G6. The G6 and S8+ look great with minimal bezel but using Pixel or iPhone 7 plus doesn't bother me at all.

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Given an option I'd like less bezel for sure but definitely not even close to a deal breaker. I have multiple phones Pixel XL is my daily driver, have iPhone 7 plus, S8+ and G6. The G6 and S8+ look great with minimal bezel but using Pixel or iPhone 7 plus doesn't bother me at all.
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Not a deal breaker for me either im just not a fan of the aesthetics.
The 5.5 screen is something i can't deal with though ...my s7 edge has it and I hate it (although the U11 would be alot better due to the normal aspect ratio). Its mostly why i went with the S8 plus....just for the screen size.

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Yeah im honestly not a huge fan of the edge screens either ..gotten used to it but would prefer a flat screen for sure.
And just because 5.2 isnt small to you automatically means that everyone should think the same?
And fanboy? Takes one to know one HTC fanboy
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What is this, high school? It's easy to assume your fanboyism based on the phones you have in your signature and the fact that you had absolutely nothing good to say about the U11... Why are you even here? What is your assumption based off of... that fact that I disagree with you? If I'm an HTC fanboy then why would I even bother with the S8? I guess you just overlooked that. You also forget that barely 6 years ago the first Note came out with a 5.3" screen and that was considered huge at the time... And even now that is FAR from small.
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If a smartphone can be too thin for its own good, we can agree the same applies to bezels. I wager that people wanting less and less bezels aren't accustomed to the issues that come with them. First, a bezel adds strength... I'll let you take a guess as to what effect shrinking it would have on that. Then there's the absolutely annoying accidental touching issues... and no, cases don't help with that unless you use a really bulky case. I've never held or owned a phone and said "I wish the bezels were smaller" nor have I ever felt that bezels impeded any phone's functionality and my ability to use them.

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What is this, high school? It's easy to assume your fanboyism based on the phones you have in your signature and the fact that you had absolutely nothing good to say about the U11... Why are you even here? What is your assumption based off of... that fact that I disagree with you? If I'm an HTC fanboy then why would I even bother with the S8? I guess you just overlooked that. You also forget that barely 6 years ago the first Note came out with a 5.3" screen and that was considered huge at the time... And even now that is FAR from small. You really think that the 0.3" that your S8+ has over this U11's 5.5" display really matters, ROFL? Don't make me laugh.
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Ive owned lots of phones from various manufacturers over the years including HTC. Other than the 6P there hasnt been anything else that Ive really liked the last few years other than what sammy has delivered.
And i guess your reading comprehension is not that great as i mentioned 2 things i wasnt a fan of on the U11...and I also mentioned everything else looked great.
Im here because the device does hold some interest for me...and because I can be. Dont like what i say....move along...
And i wont bother with your silliness after this, dont want the mods in here now do we?

Moderator Warning,
Guys enough of the bickering please. Can we keep the posts civil. I will be keeping a eye on this thread.

5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Which colour did you pick. I went for black. Thought of ordering the Amazing Silver but they didn't have it at my carried in Germany. Those two colours are the most gorgeous ones in my eyes. Maybe black is better as on silver you can see fingerprints a lot better than on the black one. Guess this would get me on my nerves by the time anyway.
And the glas, as well as the metal edge are feeling really good in hands. Was a warm day when I used it this first time, and it had a good grip even with my sweaty hands. There was no time it felt slippery to me.
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I actually got that dark blue

force70 said:
Huge ugly bezels and only 71.4% screen to body ratio.
Looks very much like a pixel from the front which had a very "dated" look from the front and that was months ago in 2016. This being 2017 now this large bezeled design looks even more outdated.
HTC failed in this aspect and really should have shrunk the bezels and made the screen larger as 5.5" is just too small and large bezels are an eyesore.
Other than that the phone seems really great on paper to me and has some very desriable specs.
Sent from my S8 plus, Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
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this is a tired and worn out argument. The performance of the U11 in all ways justifies the Bezels. Samsung wouldn't be able to pull off as great as a phone with their Bezel-less gimmick. The Bezels are there for good reason.

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this is a tired and worn out argument. The performance of the U11 in all ways justifies the Bezels. Samsung wouldn't be able to pull off as great as a phone with their Bezel-less gimmick. The Bezels are there for good reason.
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Please elaborate, Id like to see what exactly bezels...in particular top and bottom have to do with performance.
I could see before on the m7,m8 etc with the full front firing speakers but such is not the case with the U11.
And I wasnt remotely argumentative..i was merely sharing my first impression of the device as that is the thread title is it not?
Thanks.
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One Plus 5 dropped the bezel ball

Good grief. It's got Pixel sized bezels!
The good old Galaxy Note 3 was so far ahead of its time when it came to minimal bezels.
Galaxy finally has small bezels again but no root for US phones. Or LOS/AOSP ROM's.
OnePlus 5 had a chance to swoop in but dammit if the bezels and phone with its 5.5" screen are still bigger than the old Note 3 with it's 5.7" screen.

I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.

Bezel-less is a gimmick. Looks good from a design aspect but the functionality isn't 100% there since black bars when watching Videos/VR Apps/OS have to be made to work
Also 1+ tries to keep the cost of their devices to a minimum and in a video they did mention they'd use a bezelless display but currently wasn't in a position to do it

In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.

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In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.
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I use the S8+ and it is far from a disaster for my usage. That's just my opinion though.

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I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.
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I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.

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I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.
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Same, I'm 2 meters tall with hands just as freakishly large, while I am no advocate for Xperia size bezels *Twitches* or pixel xl sized bezels *Shudders* I would much rather see some front firing speakers than this bezeless craze continue.
I just generally upset with where phones are going right now... I felt like last year we got so many awesome upgrades,
The Moto Z play keeping it conssitent with amazing battery life and a success at modularity.
The Honor 8 bringing dual cams in. (Even though this was not the first android phone to do this, I think the honr 8 was the first one that picked up a lot of steam.)
The S7 (I can't believe I said this, I dislike samsung, but I have to get them their credit) but water resistance, wireless charging, good camera, micro sd all in one package!
The Axon 7 filling in the gap for htc with their identity crisis, bringing the best front firing speakers with the same processor and screen resolution as flagships of that year..
The Pixel (Price way too high, I know..) but it's Google's Foray to inject their product to more people.
LG, with... Hah, wait, no they still ate it in 2016.
Then processors for 2016, I felt there was such a huge jump from the 810 to the 820. With performance and heat.. To me it seemed like manufacturers were trying to improve the usability of their phones, with this year, we are killing headphone jacks and trying to get bezelless phones that are wafer thin. I would much rather have a phone with a larger battery or more room for heat dispersion than a phone that would break if I accidentally sat on it wrong.
I'm not trying to discredit anyone's desires here, I just feel like focusing on bezels is so... Secondary.. It's aesthetics, I thought we should just leave that for Samsung and Apple to chase, (And LG to pretend they can catch up)

Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.

CZ Eddie said:
Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.
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I agree. Not sure Samsung's goal was specifically for a bezeless phone, but more likely to put the biggest screen possible on the smallest chassis they could build. In that respect, I love the trend. I'm not fond of cutting the screen a la the essential phone to decrease phone size

I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.

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I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.
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I know it's probably a lost cause but i am hoping they keep the AUX jack as well.

Besides curved edges and delicate display concerns the thing that bothers me about the bezeless design trend is that the more they reduce the bottom bezel the further down on-screen keyboard becomes. This results in more stress to my hand when swipe typing which is my primary input method on my phone. On the S8 it's not too bad since the phone is narrow and I can reach the lower corners of the keyboard fine when holding one handed but on the S8+ stretch becomes more pronounced and I suspect long stints of texting will be an issue for me.