Hi guys,
just got my moto x play here, and after one day I'm confused about lags I'm experiencing. Until 2 days ago I was thinking that if a phone lags, it lags in everything it does (at least if it's a heavy thing), but this phone is...strange! I have lags in feedly (just a simply rss feed app), but no in heavy games like asphalt. I really don't know what to think. Same thing on the launcher side: no lags on nova or google launcher, lags on action launcher 3.
It seems like an app-related problem, but these apps run smoothly on my older phone..is this a bad system optimization by Motorola..? I think that it's not a chipset related problem, cause many heavy apps runs smooth and many others, less heavier, not. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyone can help me to understand this..? I'm trying to understand if in future upgrades Motorola will be able to fix this or if it's hardware related and I have to live with it.
side note: feedly really has heavy lags (expecially in the side menu). Anyone else that uses feedly can confirm this..?
I feel you on the lag, if android M doesn't solve it, I'm going for the pure 2015
dicecuber said:
I feel you on the lag, if android M doesn't solve it, I'm going for the pure 2015
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I've considered that too, but I think that battery life on the pure is going to be horrible..
segdan said:
Hi guys,
just got my moto x play here, and after one day I'm confused about lags I'm experiencing. Until 2 days ago I was thinking that if a phone lags, it lags in everything it does (at least if it's a heavy thing), but this phone is...strange! I have lags in feedly (just a simply rss feed app), but no in heavy games like asphalt. I really don't know what to think.
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I think we've all experienced what you are describing when we first bought the Moto X Play. The GPU and the CPU is strong enough to play most of the games without any problem so that's why there's no lag in game. The kind of lags we see (at least in me case), are more related to the time it take for the phone to load an app in memory. I see it when an app is opened for the first time after a reboot. There's a long delay between the time I touch the icon and the time the app is finally ready to use. I was able to reduce these kind of lags by installing Squid kernel. Also, I changed I/O scheduler to ROW and read ahead to 512kb. It look like Motorola didn't take the time to optimize the kernel (memory management) so, it's less than ideal. The best solution is to install a custom kernel.
Nico3d3 said:
I think we've all experienced what you are describing when we first bought the Moto X Play. The GPU and the CPU is strong enough to play most of the games without any problem so that's why there's no lag in game. The kind of lags we see (at least in me case), are more related to the time it take for the phone to load an app in memory. I see it when an app is opened for the first time after a reboot. There's a long delay between the time I touch the icon and the time the app is finally ready to use. I was able to reduce these kind of lags by installing Squid kernel. Also, I changed I/O scheduler to ROW and read ahead to 512kb. It look like Motorola didn't take the time to optimize the kernel (memory management) so, it's less than ideal. The best solution is to install a custom kernel.
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Thanks, I'll definitely give this a try. [emoji6]
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segdan said:
I've considered that too, but I think that battery life on the pure is going to be horrible..
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For me, 5 hours of screen on time is sufficient
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For me, 5 hours of screen on time is sufficient
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So this is definitely bad optimization by Motorola, and buy the pure edition will not help. I really hope for a fix soon.
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That's a bummer, I guess I have to pay more for the nexus 6p
segdan said:
Hi guys,
just got my moto x play here, and after one day I'm confused about lags I'm experiencing. Until 2 days ago I was thinking that if a phone lags, it lags in everything it does (at least if it's a heavy thing), but this phone is...strange! I have lags in feedly (just a simply rss feed app), but no in heavy games like asphalt. I really don't know what to think. Same thing on the launcher side: no lags on nova or google launcher, lags on action launcher 3.
It seems like an app-related problem, but these apps run smoothly on my older phone..is this a bad system optimization by Motorola..? I think that it's not a chipset related problem, cause many heavy apps runs smooth and many others, less heavier, not. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyone can help me to understand this..? I'm trying to understand if in future upgrades Motorola will be able to fix this or if it's hardware related and I have to live with it.
side note: feedly really has heavy lags (expecially in the side menu). Anyone else that uses feedly can confirm this..?
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I have been experiencing exactly the same probems, here is a video comparing this phone with a Nexus 4 and a Moto G 1st gen:
http://f.cl.ly/items/2d0u0v0K0502071E2K43/comparing_motoxplay.mp4.mp4
But I set the screen to 1280x720 and almost all lag is gone now. Sure, this is more a workaround than a solution, but I'm more than sure that the X Play hardware can deliver a better and smoother experience, those lags have to be a terrible software optimization, not a problem with the hardware it self.
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I am using nova launcher on my moto x play. Haven't had a single lag till now. Is the lag caused by Google launcher then?
abhishekpadukone said:
I am using nova launcher on my moto x play. Haven't had a single lag till now. Is the lag caused by Google launcher then?
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Nope, if I set nova launcher I still got lag in some apps.
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The sad reality of the x play is that in many ways I feel that my Nexus 4 almost 3 years ago now was much smoother than the Moto x play but at the same time I really hope the issues will be ironed out with the new update.
mikber18 said:
The sad reality of the x play is that in many ways I feel that my Nexus 4 almost 3 years ago now was much smoother than the Moto x play but at the same time I really hope the issues will be ironed out with the new update.
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I agree with you, if the nexus devices had bigger battery and better camera, I would've stayed. Nexus ' are known for those weak points
i am also experiencing the same lags that you mentioned....i thought that its was specific to my device only n i was trying to exchnage my device for a new one. but now after reading all the replies on this thread and on other thread i think that its a software related issue and exchanging for a new one is bot to solve the issue . i hope motorola will gonna fix this in their software update
segdan said:
Hi guys,
just got my moto x play here, and after one day I'm confused about lags I'm experiencing. Until 2 days ago I was thinking that if a phone lags, it lags in everything it does (at least if it's a heavy thing), but this phone is...strange! I have lags in feedly (just a simply rss feed app), but no in heavy games like asphalt. I really don't know what to think. Same thing on the launcher side: no lags on nova or google launcher, lags on action launcher 3.
It seems like an app-related problem, but these apps run smoothly on my older phone..is this a bad system optimization by Motorola..? I think that it's not a chipset related problem, cause many heavy apps runs smooth and many others, less heavier, not. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyone can help me to understand this..? I'm trying to understand if in future upgrades Motorola will be able to fix this or if it's hardware related and I have to live with it.
side note: feedly really has heavy lags (expecially in the side menu). Anyone else that uses feedly can confirm this..?
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Hi I had the same experience until I reset my phone and I strongly suggest everyone to do it even it is out of the box, since then my moto x play is running very fast no lags at all and I set the animations to 0.5 at developers settings, I suggest everyone to reset and don't restore from backup, just start fresh, I am sure that it will improve things for you , let me know how you go
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Hi I had the same experience until I reset my phone and I strongly suggest everyone to do it even it is out of the box, since then my moto x play is running very fast no lags at all and I set the animations to 0.5 at developers settings, I suggest everyone to reset and don't restore from backup, just start fresh, I am sure that it will improve things for you , let me know how you go
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I've just restored apps via lollipop restore. Do you suggest to do a factory reset and reinstall manually all the apps one by one..?
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Yeah that's what I did , the lag almost instantly gone , it is very fast
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rameshchowdhary said:
Yeah that's what I did , the lag almost instantly gone , it is very fast
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Ok, I'll try that tomorrow and let you know, thank you [emoji6]
EDIT: no luck, lags are still here.
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segdan said:
Ok, I'll try that tomorrow and let you know, thank you [emoji6]
EDIT: no luck, lags are still here.
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Which Launcher are you using ? If you are using Stock launcher what is the ver of that ?
Share some of the most used apps by you?
Any antivirus or task killer you are using ? or battery saving app?
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Which Launcher are you using ? If you are using Stock launcher what is the ver of that ?
Share some of the most used apps by you?
Any antivirus or task killer you are using ? or battery saving app?
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I've tried nova launcher and Google launcher (both are lag free), but with action launcher 3 I've got little lags here and there.
No antivirus and no battery saving apps.
The most problematic app is feedly, it lags and stutter so much. Another app where I can see a lot lag and stutter is play store. Anyway I can see stutter even when I pull down the quick toggle menu..
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I am coming from almost 1 year use of X10a and even tried Galaxy SII after a week with Arc and sold SII mainly because I hated AMOLED colors and Samsung design and UI.
When I first got Misty Silver Arc (flashed LT15a) into my hands I was excited as the phone looked simply stunning. Felt great in hand.
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Now, after two weeks of use I have very mixed feeling and I am already trying to look for what is out there that looks good and performs like GSII. Atrix? Not sure!!
Pros:
1. Screen
2. Looks (design) & Feel.
3. Gingerbread
4. SE UI
5. Camera
Cons:
1. Phone starts to lag once you install some widgets, and install basic apps. I am almost seeing very minimal gain from my X10 in performance once I install my standard apps/widgets.
2. Camera button is a joke. It's almost impossible to use without shaking the phone too much.
3. Too long. They could have tried and eliminated all that black area that has Sony Ericsson Logo.
4. The battery cover starts to feel squeaky in the middle area towards the side that has volume rockers. I had to put small tape inside to stop that feeling.
I might have to root and remove some pre-installed crap and see how the phone performs. Else, I am seriously thinking to sell the phone and maybe wait for something or go back to SGII and live with it's ugliness and fake colors on AMOLED. I just will have to wait for a good ROM for it as I couldn't stand the Samsung interface. It makes Android feel like their feature phone. I am also going to try and play with Atrix and compared it to arc. If the performance on Atrix is good, I might just get it as the phone feels solid and it at least looks better than GSII.
It amazes me how SE sc*$#s up with every phone in someway and I still end up owning them. With X10 it's the OS version and with Arc, lousy hardware specs. They should at least have provided more memory. I have a feeling they never tested Arc by installing any apps and widgets.
Apps/widgets I have installed - Go Contacts, Go Contacts Themes, Go SMS Pro, Go SMS Themes, Beautiful Widgets, Beautiful Widgets Animation, beautiful widgets themes, Widgetsoid, life.contacts, Amazon MP3, Amazon Appstore, Angry Birds, Angry Birds Rio, Fruit Ninja, Swype, Astro, ESPNCricInfo, Business Calendar, Just Pictures, Yahoo Mail, Tripit, Opera Mini, Twitter, xda premium, and Yelp.
What I mean by Laggy?
I don't mean it's so slow to get annoying. It only felt laggy compared to what I experienced with GSII. It's not annoying but at times I find it annoying when the dialer takes almost couple of seconds to load or my SMS shows blank blue screen for almost 4-6 seconds. At that time, if I restart my phone it performs better. I stopped using Live wallpapers hoping it will help phone perform better. I remember the performance was not like this when i played with the stock ROM. I am not sure if playing with whatsapp screw'd up something. I will try to reflash and see how it behaves.
Update1: I re-flashed my Arc and it now works blazing fast. In the next few weeks I will try to find if any particular app I used caused the issue or it's just a limitation with Arc if you have several apps/widgets installed with over 300 contacts and lost of them with high quality photo image linked through SE UI instead of picking low quality one from GMail.
Update2: I installed most of my commonly used apps and I see no lag now. I suspect having three weather apps might have some cause for the lag before as they were alway setup to get weather updated. I used Beautiful Weather, Go Weather, and WeatherBug Elite. I had Beautiful weather setup to have animation on unlock too. Or it just could be one of the other apps which I am used to download everyday from amazon appstore.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by "laggy"? I've got 8 or 9 widgets on my homescreen, phone still runs like it did out of the box. It's incredibly fast, I've had uptimes longer than you've owned the phone, and most of all, it works very well as a phone. The phone has 512MB of RAM, which means it runs smoothly and there's rarely any lag unless you're doing too many things in the background.
As for the battery door problem, my only comment is "I don't know what you're talking about." Camera button? Works fine for me, and I have a silicone shell over the button. If you're going to complain about a button, I'd recommend the awful power button. It's my biggest complaint about the phone.
Definitely agree on the creaky battery cover. Really detracts from the overall feel of the phone.
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iead1 said:
I'm not sure I know what you mean by "laggy"?
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I updated my initial post to explain what I mean by laggy.
I don't mean it's so slow to get annoying. It only felt laggy compared to what I experienced with GSII. At times, I find it gets annoying when the dialer takes almost couple of seconds to load or SMS shows blank blue screen for almost 4-6 seconds. At that time, if I restart my phone it performs better. I stopped using Live wallpapers hoping it will help phone perform better. I remember the performance was not like this when i played with the stock ROM. I am not sure if playing with whatsapp screw'd up something. I will try to reflash and see how it behaves.
I happen to own a LG Optimus 2x as well, if you want a phone fast like hell, just grab that one. Still I using my arc more as I love the design and colours better than on the LG.
After I deleted all the crap I don't use using titanium backup my Arc doesn't feel that laggy anymore, try that too....but still...the LG is faster...
Further on I do think both are great phones, but I wish there were more devs in the Arc section. At the LG section there are very good roms available. I know I shouldn't complain when I am unable to make something myself, but I just miss some nice roms I can try on my Arc.
Before getting another phone, just search here on the forum for complaints, I think in every section at XDA on every phone you will find some cons. It's just to decide which con is important for you...
iead1 said:
If you're going to complain about a button, I'd recommend the awful power button. It's my biggest complaint about the phone.
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I hate the small power button as well. But since I use Widgetsoid and there is Lock Screen option, I never had to use the button (except to reboot, which I seldom do).
hush66 said:
I hate the small power button as well. But since I use Widgetsoid and there is Lock Screen option, I never had to use the button (except to reboot, which I seldom do).
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Agreed.
Power button and camera button could have been better.
You can use the same widget to reboot as well if you are rooted.
I use the screenoff software which gives you some kind of effects when switching off
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You can use the same widget to reboot as well if you are rooted.
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I am aware of that but I am afraid that I may accidentally hit the option, causing my phone to reboot when I had no intention to do so.
I have 9 screens & 21 widgets & phone is as fast as it was out of box.. Rooted & removed crap apps though I can't compare it with SGS2 as i don't own it, but SGS2 ca be faster (due to memory & dua core) but Arc is not laggy
There is a "what can we remove" thread here. It's a good start but there can also be other reasons for laggyness.
Removing programs you don't use and clear unused programs data and killing non-active tasks can speedup you phone, sometimes
I haven't had such "lag" issues.
Maybe you removed something that affected phone aswell.
I come from an iphone 4 and sometimes i found the phone a bit laggy but overall it's a great phone and i love the screen so much ! And i'm glad to finally haver something that note everybody have.
whocancatchme said:
And i'm glad to finally haver something that note everybody have.
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Yeah, this is something good to brag about! Plus, there isnt any phone that captures better pictures than arc!
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Sorry double post
I just re-flashed the stock ROM and the phone flies. I am going to first root it and remove lot of crap I don't need and then install one app a day to see which one made things 'a little' laggy.
I also suspect if having high quality images for contacts might be the culprit. I remember I had that problem with X10. If SE is scaling down the resolution when it crops, that shouldn't be a problem.
Could it be possible that you are using a slow SD card? I use a class 6 16GB and dont have too much of a lag.
rumy said:
Could it be possible that you are using a slow SD card? I use a class 6 16GB and dont have too much of a lag.
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I am using whatever came with Arc. I didn't check the class but it is 16GB card.
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I am using whatever came with Arc. I didn't check the class but it is 16GB card.
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Class 2, the lowest
By the way how can we know the class we had of mscard ?
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rumy said:
Could it be possible that you are using a slow SD card? I use a class 6 16GB and dont have too much of a lag.
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Very unlikely to be the cause. Class of an SD card really only affects how fast you can write to it, read speeds are generally extremely fast regardless of class.
Hi all.
I am slightly disappointed with my galaxy s3.
I recently made the switch from owning all iPhones since their release. IMO, iPhone never really did enough to compete with the rest of the field so I switched. How wrong was I!
I must admit I am sick to death with having to go into task manager to close apps and clear ram. If I don't do this pushing the home button from an app will result in the device hanging.
For a device that has some much power under the hood its really frustrating to see they haven't really made a good barrier between the device and android. For everyday tasks like messaging, phone, scrolling contacts etc iPhone beats it for speed and usability hands down. However, NOVA 3 blew me away and runs smooth as can be. Sadly this isn't enough to keep me so Its been short lived and maybe i'll return when android runs more efficiently and definitely needs to be smoother on devices.
antdawe said:
Hi all.
I am slightly disappointed with my galaxy s3.
I recently made the switch from owning all iPhones since their release. IMO, iPhone never really did enough to compete with the rest of the field so I switched. How wrong was I!
I must admit I am sick to death with having to go into task manager to close apps and clear ram. If I don't do this pushing the home button from an app will result in the device hanging.
For a device that has some much power under the hood its really frustrating to see they haven't really made a good barrier between the device and android. For everyday tasks like messaging, phone, scrolling contacts etc iPhone beats it for speed and usability hands down. However, NOVA 3 blew me away and runs smooth as can be. Sadly this isn't enough to keep me so Its been short lived and maybe i'll return when android runs more efficiently and definitely needs to be smoother on devices.
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I don't experience any of those problems. Why do you kill tasks and keep clearing RAM? On Android that is a big no-no. Let Android manage all of that on it's own. When you keep killing tasks it has to restart them and that slows things down instead of speeding them up.
If you really want a smooth experience, root your device and install Titanium Backup and freeze all the bloatware that's not needed.
Having owned every iPhone, I can say that my GS3 is much smoother and quicker to respond than any of them ever were.
antdawe said:
Hi all.
I am slightly disappointed with my galaxy s3.
I recently made the switch from owning all iPhones since their release. IMO, iPhone never really did enough to compete with the rest of the field so I switched. How wrong was I!
I must admit I am sick to death with having to go into task manager to close apps and clear ram. If I don't do this pushing the home button from an app will result in the device hanging.
For a device that has some much power under the hood its really frustrating to see they haven't really made a good barrier between the device and android. For everyday tasks like messaging, phone, scrolling contacts etc iPhone beats it for speed and usability hands down. However, NOVA 3 blew me away and runs smooth as can be. Sadly this isn't enough to keep me so Its been short lived and maybe i'll return when android runs more efficiently and definitely needs to be smoother on devices.
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:banghead: u do that next time a little reading will help u to understand
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I understand that forcing processes to close will result in them having to reload again at some point. However, if i do not do this it'll end up a million pieces. If i could take a video of it I would, actually maybe I will tomorrow so maybe guys like yourselves who have had android for long periods maybe able to help me out.
let me give you an example. I open ebay app do some browsing (home button out), look on bbc news website (home button out), click on phone then contacts, wait for 2-3 seconds for it to respond, click on the letter of the first name i want to call again wait a couple of seconds, end the call and press the home button, wait 5 seconds with just my background picture and the square dotted icon which contain the apps.
If i clear the ram all of the above run smooth again.
On S-Voice disable the option to lunch S-Voice with a double press on the home button. This option causes home button lag.
Don't kill processes. This option that Samsung gave us on stock rom is terrible. You shouldn't use it, never.
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juliano_q said:
On S-Voice disable the option to lunch S-Voice with a double press on the home button. This option causes home button lag.
Don't kill processes. This option that Samsung gave us on stock rom is terrible. You shouldn't use it, never.
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Any suggestions on what to about the lagging?
I have disabled s-voice as It was dreadful.
Thanks
antdawe said:
Any suggestions on what to about the lagging?
I have disabled s-voice as It was dreadful.
Thanks
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Root. Remove bloatware and use a 3rd party launcher like Nova or Apex.
Baldilocks said:
Root. Remove bloatware and use a 3rd party launcher like Nova or Apex.
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Thanks
I will try this
More tips.
Go into Settings>Developer Options
Set all of the animation scales to 0.5x instead of 1x
Then turn on Force 2D GPU rendering.
You mention pressing home button to leave apps. Doing this leaves them running, true 'multitasking'. That's fine, but if it's not an app you'll be using for a while hold down the back button to close it. Alternatively, hold down the home button to bring up running and previously used apps, either swipe away the ones you don't want or remove all. This is better than clearing ram because the stuff that should be running still will be, but the apps you've been using won't.
Also, there is no need to root and debloat if you don't want. You just need to learn to manage better like i said above. Android is a different kettle of fish to ios, there is a bit of a learning curve, but it's worth sticking with.
Jelly bean (Android 4.1) will also sort out your lag woes with scrolling etc.
antdawe said:
Any suggestions on what to about the lagging?
I have disabled s-voice as It was dreadful.
Thanks
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I suggest to install a good stock rom (last JB DLI6 is very good), root and remove bloatware.
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Baldilocks said:
More tips.
Go into Settings>Developer Options
Set all of the animation scales to 0.5x instead of 1x
Then turn on Force 2D GPU rendering.
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Nice, you got both S3 and HOX I see... lucky you!
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My s3 is up since 14 days without a single reboot and seriously i haven't experienced lag yet.
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Nosterius said:
My s3 is up since 14 days without a single reboot and seriously i haven't experienced lag yet.
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Don't ever post pics of Your IMEI, that is BAD. I would remove it ASAP. Don't tell anyone unless it is generic or all 0's
Basically don't use it like IOS. If you want a ridiculously fast UI, download holo launcher HD, or any other launcher with swipe up, and set swipe up to open recent apps. Then put your most used apps on the home screen and a widget that tells you the date and weather. Then just do everything from the notification bar. With this set up you can basically do everything with swipe down, swipe up, and press icon. Don't even have to scroll since most of the settings you need are in the notification tray but their is a settings button available 24 7 if you need it.
In my opinion, Android high-end phones are not made to be used with a stock rom/kernel/settings.
When someone asks me "What phone should I get?" I analyse the person's profile to answer that.
If he/she is a basic user, that want internet, email, games, etc... = iPhone.
If he/she is a curious person that wants to squeeze max power out of his/her phone = GS3.
So, the best thing that you can do, is to pick a custom rom that you like, flash, root and customize. That's what Android is made for. :good:
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My s3 is up since 14 days without a single reboot and seriously i haven't experienced lag yet.
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Thankyou for your IMEI number
Root switch to omega V13.1 ICS. Two thumbs up. Btw, i also came from the iphone range but i gotta to admit that S3 is indeed great. There are tons od things to be explore on the s3,pal.
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Also make sure that Settings > Power Savings is Off
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More tips.
Go into Settings>Developer Options
Set all of the animation scales to 0.5x instead of 1x
Then turn on Force 2D GPU rendering.
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Thank you sir, i am not the OP but this is great :good:
Hey all; I, along with many others, am still waiting on the Android 4.3 OTA update for the Nexus 10. For those that have it, or who have flashed it, I have a few questions that I'm sure we're all curious about.
First off, the butter. Of course, I'm talking smoothness. The Nexus 10 is obviously a powerful device, and it can power this display for sure. However, it does stutter and lag from time to time. The Google+ timeline stutters, scrolling through the comments stutters (only sometimes, strangely), and I see some general scrolling lag at times. The home screen does this too, but rarely. The gesture typing on the keyboard also drops frames at times, especially in some apps (Google Maps is the chief offender). It lags, drops behind, etc. Generally it works well, but as mentioned especially in Google Maps it drops frames and acts slowly. Are scrolling and similar tasks improved with 4.3?
Second, RAM usage. Currently, I'm sitting around ~560MB free After a couple hours of varied usage, as you can see in the screenshot attached. On average, the most I see is 600MB unless it's after a fresh reboot. I am one of the users who experiences the random reboots, also, so this drops eventually until the tablet crashes on me. Has average free RAM increased with the addition of the Surfaceflinger leak fix in the latest update?
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Thirdly, and finally: homescreen redraws. Whenever I press the home button after being in an app for a few minutes, the entire homescreen has to redraw. On a device like this, I expect that this shouldn't happen. It interrupts the experience. I love the Nexus 10, I just want it to be more perfect for me than it currently is!
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Therefore: BUMP!
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I feel like this needs a bump. I'm still quite curious, and this page has a lot of views since I posted it.
Therefore: BUMP!
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Well the home screen redraws can easily be fixed by using apex or nova and choosing keep in memory. Also I'm quite happy with 4.3. It was more of a behind the scenes fix up stuff update which is a good thing. It's a lot smoother and the tablet just runs better overall. No major changes besides some small things like camera redesigned and miracast support added, etc.
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To answer your first question, the 4.3 rom is undoubtedly smoother than 4.2.2 was. In fact, 4.3 stock is smoother than 4.2.2 was with the tablet overclocked to 2.1ghz/720Mhz. Chrome is much more usable, and animations almost never stutter. I don't recall ever seeing the Maps app slow down either. I haven't really tried the play store or G+ apps too much, I'll give them a go tonight and let you know.
The homescreen redraws are still there. I haven't tried the fix suggested by abdel12345 as it doesn't really bother me much.
Free ram usually hovers somewhere between 200 and 400MB, but this is fine. It amazes me that despite so many explanations, people still don't understand how caching works in Linux!
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To answer your first question, the 4.3 rom is undoubtedly smoother than 4.2.2 was. In fact, 4.3 stock is smoother than 4.2.2 was with the tablet overclocked to 2.1ghz/720Mhz. Chrome is much more usable, and animations almost never stutter. I don't recall ever seeing the Maps app slow down either. I haven't really tried the play store or G+ apps too much, I'll give them a go tonight and let you know.
The homescreen redraws are still there. I haven't tried the fix suggested by abdel12345 as it doesn't really bother me much.
Free ram usually hovers somewhere between 200 and 400MB, but this is fine. It amazes me that despite so many explanations, people still don't understand how caching works in Linux!
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In fairness, although most modern operating systems now have this behavior (with regards to memory usage), none of them are designed to have a built-in process fail to free it until the system keels over. Personally though, I haven't had any SurfaceFlinger-related issues, so I can't say too much about it.
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In fairness, although most modern operating systems now have this behavior (with regards to memory usage), none of them are designed to have a built-in process fail to free it until the system keels over. Personally though, I haven't had any SurfaceFlinger-related issues, so I can't say too much about it.
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Very true, though older versions of Windows do make me wonder! :laugh:
Point I'm making is that whether there is a memory leak in a process or not you, should not be seeing more than a few hundred MB of "free" ram, unless by free ram you mean free+cached.
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Very true, though older versions of Windows do make me wonder! :laugh:
Point I'm making is that whether there is a memory leak in a process or not you, should not be seeing more than a few hundred MB of "free" ram, unless by free ram you mean free+cached.
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Granted. But considering how much effort people pushed in peddling RAM-freeing solutions, it's not surprising that many people still want "free" RAM (which is ironic, because you're not getting any use out of that RAM you bought by keeping it free...).
Memory management took a huge leap with Windows 7, but much of the underlying improvements actually came from Windows Vista. That operating system is actually a lot better than people give it credit for. More than anything else though, Vista was shot in the foot by OEMs who needed to sell out their inventories of the "budget PCs" that were really in at the time-- machines with yesteryear's specs that could just about run Windows XP nicely, but that were forced to run Vista so as not to appear "dated." You know the end result of that.
Touch responsiveness is better.
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stiggy2012 said:
To answer your first question, the 4.3 rom is undoubtedly smoother than 4.2.2 was. In fact, 4.3 stock is smoother than 4.2.2 was with the tablet overclocked to 2.1ghz/720Mhz. Chrome is much more usable, and animations almost never stutter. I don't recall ever seeing the Maps app slow down either. I haven't really tried the play store or G+ apps too much, I'll give them a go tonight and let you know.
The homescreen redraws are still there. I haven't tried the fix suggested by abdel12345 as it doesn't really bother me much.
Free ram usually hovers somewhere between 200 and 400MB, but this is fine. It amazes me that despite so many explanations, people still don't understand how caching works in Linux!
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Thanks for the reply!
Glad to hear browsing and animations are much better. It sounds like a fantastic improvement (being relative, of course- the Nexus 10 is already the smoothest Android 10" tablet experience around). As for redraws - oh well. I may swap to Nova or Apex (I have full editions for both, IIRC). As for RAM, I actually agree with you there. I just didn't expect that they improved caching performance - on 4.2.2, I sometimes end up with 400MB for no reason whatsoever after clearing all recent apps, instead of 600MB-750MB that I get on a fresh boot with a couple recent apps. More used RAM, if there isn't a leak, is a GOOD thing!
Anyway, I'm still waiting on the OTA. A family member's Nexus 10 got it today, so I'm hopeful!
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Touch responsiveness is better.
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Interesting. Hopefully it will pick up those quick bezel-swipes more accurately from now on! Sometimes they don't register for me.
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Memory management took a huge leap with Windows 7, but much of the underlying improvements actually came from Windows Vista. That operating system is actually a lot better than people give it credit for. More than anything else though, Vista was shot in the foot by OEMs who needed to sell out their inventories of the "budget PCs" that were really in at the time-- machines with yesteryear's specs that could just about run Windows XP nicely, but that were forced to run Vista so as not to appear "dated." You know the end result of that.
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Totally agreed. I had an old pre-fab Compaq with Vista before I got the custom build up and running that I use today (SSD+Windows 8 = WIN). It ran Vista - and it worked great for me! UAC was a pain, at times, but I never really noticed it until I saw complaints on forums. Either way, Vista was a relatively solid OS. I never ran into any bugs or issues, and it performed well.
8 is definitely a massive improvement over 7, though. Boot-up times are much faster, interacting with the entire OS is just a much more fluid experience. 8 isn't just about Metro (or whatever they call it now) - it brings a lot of behind-the-scenes improvements.
Not happy
Serious noob here, so, my thoughts:
Was trying to stay stock on the N10, so I upgraded to 4.3 OTA today. The screen times out in ~ 5 seconds now, and the only fix I've found is to factory reset. I called support, and the rep said I need to factory reset (surprise). I've done this twice now, and nothing's changed.
And I can't find a video player that doesn't crash. I used to use Dice, and it won't work. I made the mistake of uninstalling to see if a reinstall would fix, and now Play says it's incompatible and won't install. I tried a couple others, and they crash too.
I wished I didn't upgrade. It's not bricked, but it's not really usable either. I generally used it to take notes at work and play videos at home. I can't really do either at this point.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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...And I can't find a video player that doesn't crash. I used to use Dice, and it won't work. I made the mistake of uninstalling to see if a reinstall would fix, and now Play says it's incompatible and won't install. I tried a couple others, and they crash too...
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Right now (Jul 30th) we are all in a hold pattern waiting for our favorite HW accelerated player to be updated. You are not alone.
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Serious noob here, so, my thoughts:
Was trying to stay stock on the N10, so I upgraded to 4.3 OTA today. The screen times out in ~ 5 seconds now, and the only fix I've found is to factory reset. I called support, and the rep said I need to factory reset (surprise). I've done this twice now, and nothing's changed.
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I did say I was a N00b, right? I discovered the sleep setting which I thought I'd set had no value at all following the factory reset. So maybe the upgrade to 4.3 unset the value or there was really a screen timeout problem. But now that it's set to something the problem is gone. Sheesh I'm an idiot.
thehobster said:
Serious noob here, so, my thoughts:
Was trying to stay stock on the N10, so I upgraded to 4.3 OTA today. The screen times out in ~ 5 seconds now, and the only fix I've found is to factory reset. I called support, and the rep said I need to factory reset (surprise). I've done this twice now, and nothing's changed.
And I can't find a video player that doesn't crash. I used to use Dice, and it won't work. I made the mistake of uninstalling to see if a reinstall would fix, and now Play says it's incompatible and won't install. I tried a couple others, and they crash too.
I wished I didn't upgrade. It's not bricked, but it's not really usable either. I generally used it to take notes at work and play videos at home. I can't really do either at this point.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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For video, try the VLC beta. MX Player doesn't work for me either, after the 4.3 update, but I watched a movie on VLC just fine last night. It will even play codecs that other players like MX Player won't play, like the dts audio codec.
DicePlayer has received two updates yesterday. Now its back in playstore for our n10. So far works fine for me.
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DicePlayer has received two updates yesterday. Now its back in playstore for our n10. So far works fine for me.
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Yep - installed and working fine. Whew.
DicePlayer working excellent!!
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DicePlayer working excellent!!
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Mx player updated and seems to be working on 4.3. Someone to confirm this?
Should work fine. It's official info about support android 4.3
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Mx player updated and seems to be working on 4.3. Someone to confirm this?
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Yep. Just watched an video with hw+ decoder for half an hour after receiving the 1.7.16 ARMv7-neon update.
I always used Mxplayer, but I I noticed that diceplayer hiding status bar and bottom navbar. Display is on fullscreen Mxplayer has both black bar Diceplayer win in my eyes
Hello LG G5 users , feel free to talk here about anything related to the LG G5 :good:
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So what do you think about this LG phone ?
Hi guys , thread opened thanks to @KennyG123 , now that the G5 is out and available for sale feel free to share your experience in this discussion thread.
I will update it later with infos , reviews , battery tests..etc.
Enjoy
This is my first impression of the G5 and I'm sure once the stock and custom roms start rolling out I will have a much better experience with my phone. I picked up my new LG G5 a hour ago from my local Sprint retailer and I have already run into a few problems that kind of bother me about the phone. I switched from my Nexus 6 to this phone and I would have to say I do enjoy the feel of the phone and the fact of it being smaller and easier to hold. This is the only good thing I have really noticed about the phone so far though. The volume rocker on the left side of the phone seems very strange and would be much more ergonomic with it remaining on the back or on the right side to be easily accessible with the thumb. The G5 does not have an app drawer with the current software even though there were leaks saying that they were actually going to end up adding the app drawer for this phone. The software seems as if it went for a more Apple style design with a more vivid color scheme. I ended up looking through some of the apps and there are advertisements in the voicemail app which just seems wrong. I have already ran into a bug which should be expected with any new release of a phone of course and this bug happens when I double tap on a notification on the lock screen it locks the screen instead of opening the application which I really hope wasn't the intended purpose. So far the phone isn't as great as I expected it to be.
@CorruptProfile Thank you very much sir for this first well detailed feedback.
How about other things like the camera , performance ( if you tried any intensive game ) ? Is it buttery smooth or LG 5.0 UX suffer from lags ?
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This is my first impression of the G5 and I'm sure once the stock and custom roms start rolling out I will have a much better experience with my phone. I picked up my new LG G5 a hour ago from my local Sprint retailer and I have already run into a few problems that kind of bother me about the phone. I switched from my Nexus 6 to this phone and I would have to say I do enjoy the feel of the phone and the fact of it being smaller and easier to hold. This is the only good thing I have really noticed about the phone so far though. The volume rocker on the left side of the phone seems very strange and would be much more ergonomic with it remaining on the back or on the right side to be easily accessible with the thumb. The G5 does not have an app drawer with the current software even though there were leaks saying that they were actually going to end up adding the app drawer for this phone. The software seems as if it went for a more Apple style design with a more vivid color scheme. I ended up looking through some of the apps and there are advertisements in the voicemail app which just seems wrong. I have already ran into a bug which should be expected with any new release of a phone of course and this bug happens when I double tap on a notification on the lock screen it locks the screen instead of opening the application which I really hope wasn't the intended purpose. So far the phone isn't as great as I expected it to be.
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Have you checked right? T-Mobile users said that the app drawer is there, like seen in the GUI Official Video (not a leek)
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Have you checked right? T-Mobile users said that the app drawer is there, like seen in the GUI Official Video (not a leek)
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It is there if you use easy mode on your launcher as far as i know.
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It is there if you use easy mode on your launcher as far as i know.
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Nope, there is a third option shown in the UX 5.0 video and confirmed by T-Mobile users
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk8Zs3Mlbcs
Look at 2:19
I only really play Clash of Clans as far as game intensive on my phone and it ran very smoothly for the little bit that I was on it. The camera is far superior to any phone I have had in the past and the quality is great. The option for the regular launcher with an app drawer does not exist on my device which is no problem since I do not like the launcher in general and the Google Now Launcher is far superior to LG's. The biggest problem I have started to see with the device now is the fact the battery is weak as can be. I'm not sure if there isn't enough data collected yet to give an accurate estimate on how long the battery will last. I took the first screenshot of the battery usage before I used any high usage applications and it already was showing that my phone would last an hour and 47 minutes when it was at 41%. I would add screenshots to this but, I don't have over 10 posts yet so that isn't possible so I sent them to @Soufiansky so he can post them instead.
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I only really play Clash of Clans as far as game intensive on my phone and it ran very smoothly for the little bit that I was on it. The camera is far superior to any phone I have had in the past and the quality is great. The option for the regular launcher with an app drawer does not exist on my device which is no problem since I do not like the launcher in general and the Google Now Launcher is far superior to LG's. The biggest problem I have started to see with the device now is the fact the battery is weak as can be. I'm not sure if there isn't enough data collected yet to give an accurate estimate on how long the battery will last. I took the first screenshot of the battery usage before I used any high usage applications and it already was showing that my phone would last an hour and 47 minutes when it was at 41%. I would add screenshots to this but, I don't have over 10 posts yet so that isn't possible so I sent them to @Soufiansky so he can post them instead.
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Thank you again for the feedback , when i come back home i will post the links you send me in pm
Thanks to @CorruptProfile
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How's the phone size?
I'd be coming from the Nexus 6 which is like a phablet, so I want to know how it feels in the hand?
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How's the phone size?
I'd be coming from the Nexus 6 which is like a phablet, so I want to know how it feels in the hand?
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It is 5.3" , way smaller than the huge Nexus 6.
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It is 5.3" , way smaller than the huge Nexus 6.
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I was going to get the S7 Edge but it's not rootable, so it is a huge deterrent for me
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I was going to get the S7 Edge but it's not rootable, so it is a huge deterrent for me
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You can wait for the M10 , and for root it will come one day , patience
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You can wait for the M10 , and for root it will come one day , patience
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The M10 is waayyyyy too small for me ;/
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How's the phone size?
I'd be coming from the Nexus 6 which is like a phablet, so I want to know how it feels in the hand?
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I came from the Nexus 6 as well and honestly I like the size of the G5 it is smaller but not too small in the hand where it feels like you are holding nothing.
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The M10 is waayyyyy too small for me ;/
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Note 5 ? Nexus 6P ? We're going in an off topic here...
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I came from the Nexus 6 as well and honestly I like the size of the G5 it is smaller but not too small in the hand where it feels like you are holding nothing.
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What about the module thing ? I saw a lot of issues about it these days
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I don't own a module and I don't really see the purpose of owning one to be completely honest. It's basically just buying add-ons if you prefer having them or not. I enjoy having the naked look of a sleek looking phone without having a bunch of stuff all over it. It really comes down to the person if they want the parts or not and personally I don't the parts won't make the phone any worse and if the modules really just fail then it won't have any overall effect on the performance of the phone itself.
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I don't own a module and I don't really see the purpose of owning one to be completely honest. It's basically just buying add-ons if you prefer having them or not. I enjoy having the naked look of a sleek looking phone without having a bunch of stuff all over it. It really comes down to the person if they want the parts or not and personally I don't the parts won't make the phone any worse and if the modules really just fail then it won't have any overall effect on the performance of the phone itself.
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No i was talking about the stock battery module , you haven't faced any issue ? Because some people were reporting bad screen colors reproduction next to the module , others said it started taking off....etc.
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Hi to every lucky body that get android 7 final.i made this topic to share your results in android 7 and compare with yours in android 6..like camera..battery..speed..tanx and hope to be usefull and active topic??????
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Well, it's a tiny bit snappier, and a tiny bit faster overall.
The battery is better; I get 3:45 to 4 hours SOT in auto brightness, full location services with wireless scanning, google now on, google cards on, hot word on from any screen... the full google experience, for short.
It's better than I had with a variety of mods and ROMs on Marshmallow.
I especially enjoy the new notification center. I can read numerous full messages and emails right from the notification slide. Quite awesome.
And I thank the gods of Google for removing the stupid enlarged tiles for Wireless and Bluetooth, the most annoying feature ever.
Battery is not bad for stock but I get the feeling with all mods and tweaks and kernels and such android M was a bit better...
But it would be unfair to compare those two as M has been worked on for a year now... N is fresh out of the box so let's wait and see how much battery can be improved.
Other than that N is very fluent and fast. Up to now also very stable and offers some important options that used to be mods some years ago.
Camera... And such... Did not really compare but would expect them to be similar...
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Other than that N is very fluent and fast. Up to now also very stable and offers some important options that used to be mods some years ago.
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I haven't tried N yet, but I was reading a comment on Slashdot that led me to believe, that it included something similar to CM13 privacy manager ? Is this true? Do you now get to choose what apps get access to? Can you block them from wireless, cellular data?
^ This feature alone made me upgrade the wife's and kids tablets from Nexus 7s to Nexus 7 (2013)s so I could put them on CM13.
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I haven't tried N yet, but I was reading a comment on Slashdot that led me to believe, that it included something similar to CM13 privacy manager ? Is this true? Do you now get to choose what apps get access to? Can you block them from wireless, cellular data?
^ This feature alone made me upgrade the wife's and kids tablets from Nexus 7s to Nexus 7 (2013)s so I could put them on CM13.
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No, but you can do that from Data Usage in Settings, in M as well.
I've been using it for 2 days now. The doze feature is way better than that of M. I've noticed certain performance boost in games like asphalt 8 as the game used to lag after thermal throttling was active in M.
The usage is very very smooth, feels very light. I mostly love the quick settings panel as because it looks and is well organised than the previous version. It's just an initial build and its quite stable. I would say I am impressed and good to go with 7.0.
Well this was my perspective.
I think charging while screen is on is improved. Can someone confirm?
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I think charging while screen is on is improved. Can someone confirm?
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Not entirely sure... NExus 5x has quite some struggle with charging when screen on.
Under M there was almost no charging when screen was on and you did some browsing...
Might be slightly better under N... though I havent tested it long enough to confirm... Charging basically stopped when you used your phone constantly and not just for writing a text under M...
Nope, seems same like before.
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Edit: it actually seems better, I'm using my phone on charger for about 10mins, and ampere measures around 1100mAh.
On MM it wouldn't go to more than 300mAh while screen on.
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Nope, seems same like before.
Edit: it actually seems better, I'm using my phone on charger for about 10mins, and ampere measures around 1100mAh.
On MM it wouldn't go to more than 300mAh while screen on.
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I tested it while playing a game (8 ball pool, not a resource intensive app) and the percentage went up atleast 2 to 3 % in roughly 5-10 minutes. It seems that it is improved. But we still need someone to look through the kernel's code or run a reliable test!
I have it on my 5x since it dropped was on dp5 before that. Official seems smoother don't really use the 5x since I got the s7.
I'm actually seeing what seems to be worse battery performance. I've eliminated a few apps that were troublesome, but it looks like the battery is draining faster than on "M". I'm hoping that it's simply a problem with the crappy cell signal in my office - my connection bounces between 27 different towers and it's still crappy at best.
Atleast for me, I can confirm that charging while screen on is finally fixed. Hail hydra!
As previously stated, it feels a lot snappier and lighter being on Nougat as opposed to Marshmallow. Quick Settings are better overall, especially when you're able to add custom quick tiles via apps in the Play Store. Only complaint about the Quick Settings is that the Wifi and Bluetooth used to toggle on press, then open mini settings when you clicked the text. Now it just opens mini settings. I can get used to that, though.
Oh, and I still hate the white background in the settings app. Haven't found any Layers themes that work well yet. If anybody else finds one, let me know.
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As previously stated, it feels a lot snappier and lighter being on Nougat as opposed to Marshmallow. Quick Settings are better overall, especially when you're able to add custom quick tiles via apps in the Play Store. Only complaint about the Quick Settings is that the Wifi and Bluetooth used to toggle on press, then open mini settings when you clicked the text. Now it just opens mini settings. I can get used to that, though.
Oh, and I still hate the white background in the settings app. Haven't found any Layers themes that work well yet. If anybody else finds one, let me know.
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Just rooted the final N and put Substratum and Mono Theme on. Settings awesomely dark with other theme goodies.
new useful features, more usr friendly interface, for me - good change
enzo_cz said:
Just rooted the final N and put Substratum and Mono Theme on. Settings awesomely dark with other theme goodies.
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How did you get Substratum working?
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How did you get Substratum working?
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Upon getting my phone rooted I downloaded it from PlayStore, installed, did the permissions, insalled Mono theme and that was it.
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Upon getting my phone rooted I downloaded it from PlayStore, installed, did the permissions, insalled Mono theme and that was it.
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Oh, that easy? Thanks man, I owe you a beer.
bhs73 said:
Oh, that easy? Thanks man, I owe you a beer.
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Important, there are sorta probs about Substratum and Android N, such as make sure you wont apply it to Chrome and Documents for example. You'd get instant force close. And if there's any other app like that, you need to make sure it is off the list to get themed.