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What I feel about Arc after 2 weeks use

I am coming from almost 1 year use of X10a and even tried Galaxy SII after a week with Arc and sold SII mainly because I hated AMOLED colors and Samsung design and UI.
When I first got Misty Silver Arc (flashed LT15a) into my hands I was excited as the phone looked simply stunning. Felt great in hand.
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Now, after two weeks of use I have very mixed feeling and I am already trying to look for what is out there that looks good and performs like GSII. Atrix? Not sure!!
Pros:
1. Screen
2. Looks (design) & Feel.
3. Gingerbread
4. SE UI
5. Camera
Cons:
1. Phone starts to lag once you install some widgets, and install basic apps. I am almost seeing very minimal gain from my X10 in performance once I install my standard apps/widgets.
2. Camera button is a joke. It's almost impossible to use without shaking the phone too much.
3. Too long. They could have tried and eliminated all that black area that has Sony Ericsson Logo.
4. The battery cover starts to feel squeaky in the middle area towards the side that has volume rockers. I had to put small tape inside to stop that feeling.
I might have to root and remove some pre-installed crap and see how the phone performs. Else, I am seriously thinking to sell the phone and maybe wait for something or go back to SGII and live with it's ugliness and fake colors on AMOLED. I just will have to wait for a good ROM for it as I couldn't stand the Samsung interface. It makes Android feel like their feature phone. I am also going to try and play with Atrix and compared it to arc. If the performance on Atrix is good, I might just get it as the phone feels solid and it at least looks better than GSII.
It amazes me how SE sc*$#s up with every phone in someway and I still end up owning them. With X10 it's the OS version and with Arc, lousy hardware specs. They should at least have provided more memory. I have a feeling they never tested Arc by installing any apps and widgets.
Apps/widgets I have installed - Go Contacts, Go Contacts Themes, Go SMS Pro, Go SMS Themes, Beautiful Widgets, Beautiful Widgets Animation, beautiful widgets themes, Widgetsoid, life.contacts, Amazon MP3, Amazon Appstore, Angry Birds, Angry Birds Rio, Fruit Ninja, Swype, Astro, ESPNCricInfo, Business Calendar, Just Pictures, Yahoo Mail, Tripit, Opera Mini, Twitter, xda premium, and Yelp.
What I mean by Laggy?
I don't mean it's so slow to get annoying. It only felt laggy compared to what I experienced with GSII. It's not annoying but at times I find it annoying when the dialer takes almost couple of seconds to load or my SMS shows blank blue screen for almost 4-6 seconds. At that time, if I restart my phone it performs better. I stopped using Live wallpapers hoping it will help phone perform better. I remember the performance was not like this when i played with the stock ROM. I am not sure if playing with whatsapp screw'd up something. I will try to reflash and see how it behaves.
Update1: I re-flashed my Arc and it now works blazing fast. In the next few weeks I will try to find if any particular app I used caused the issue or it's just a limitation with Arc if you have several apps/widgets installed with over 300 contacts and lost of them with high quality photo image linked through SE UI instead of picking low quality one from GMail.
Update2: I installed most of my commonly used apps and I see no lag now. I suspect having three weather apps might have some cause for the lag before as they were alway setup to get weather updated. I used Beautiful Weather, Go Weather, and WeatherBug Elite. I had Beautiful weather setup to have animation on unlock too. Or it just could be one of the other apps which I am used to download everyday from amazon appstore.

I'm not sure I know what you mean by "laggy"? I've got 8 or 9 widgets on my homescreen, phone still runs like it did out of the box. It's incredibly fast, I've had uptimes longer than you've owned the phone, and most of all, it works very well as a phone. The phone has 512MB of RAM, which means it runs smoothly and there's rarely any lag unless you're doing too many things in the background.
As for the battery door problem, my only comment is "I don't know what you're talking about." Camera button? Works fine for me, and I have a silicone shell over the button. If you're going to complain about a button, I'd recommend the awful power button. It's my biggest complaint about the phone.

Definitely agree on the creaky battery cover. Really detracts from the overall feel of the phone.
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iead1 said:
I'm not sure I know what you mean by "laggy"?
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I updated my initial post to explain what I mean by laggy.
I don't mean it's so slow to get annoying. It only felt laggy compared to what I experienced with GSII. At times, I find it gets annoying when the dialer takes almost couple of seconds to load or SMS shows blank blue screen for almost 4-6 seconds. At that time, if I restart my phone it performs better. I stopped using Live wallpapers hoping it will help phone perform better. I remember the performance was not like this when i played with the stock ROM. I am not sure if playing with whatsapp screw'd up something. I will try to reflash and see how it behaves.

I happen to own a LG Optimus 2x as well, if you want a phone fast like hell, just grab that one. Still I using my arc more as I love the design and colours better than on the LG.
After I deleted all the crap I don't use using titanium backup my Arc doesn't feel that laggy anymore, try that too....but still...the LG is faster...
Further on I do think both are great phones, but I wish there were more devs in the Arc section. At the LG section there are very good roms available. I know I shouldn't complain when I am unable to make something myself, but I just miss some nice roms I can try on my Arc.
Before getting another phone, just search here on the forum for complaints, I think in every section at XDA on every phone you will find some cons. It's just to decide which con is important for you...

iead1 said:
If you're going to complain about a button, I'd recommend the awful power button. It's my biggest complaint about the phone.
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I hate the small power button as well. But since I use Widgetsoid and there is Lock Screen option, I never had to use the button (except to reboot, which I seldom do).

hush66 said:
I hate the small power button as well. But since I use Widgetsoid and there is Lock Screen option, I never had to use the button (except to reboot, which I seldom do).
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Agreed.
Power button and camera button could have been better.
You can use the same widget to reboot as well if you are rooted.
I use the screenoff software which gives you some kind of effects when switching off

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You can use the same widget to reboot as well if you are rooted.
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I am aware of that but I am afraid that I may accidentally hit the option, causing my phone to reboot when I had no intention to do so.

I have 9 screens & 21 widgets & phone is as fast as it was out of box.. Rooted & removed crap apps though I can't compare it with SGS2 as i don't own it, but SGS2 ca be faster (due to memory & dua core) but Arc is not laggy

There is a "what can we remove" thread here. It's a good start but there can also be other reasons for laggyness.
Removing programs you don't use and clear unused programs data and killing non-active tasks can speedup you phone, sometimes

I haven't had such "lag" issues.
Maybe you removed something that affected phone aswell.

I come from an iphone 4 and sometimes i found the phone a bit laggy but overall it's a great phone and i love the screen so much ! And i'm glad to finally haver something that note everybody have.

whocancatchme said:
And i'm glad to finally haver something that note everybody have.
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Yeah, this is something good to brag about! Plus, there isnt any phone that captures better pictures than arc!
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Sorry double post

I just re-flashed the stock ROM and the phone flies. I am going to first root it and remove lot of crap I don't need and then install one app a day to see which one made things 'a little' laggy.
I also suspect if having high quality images for contacts might be the culprit. I remember I had that problem with X10. If SE is scaling down the resolution when it crops, that shouldn't be a problem.

Could it be possible that you are using a slow SD card? I use a class 6 16GB and dont have too much of a lag.

rumy said:
Could it be possible that you are using a slow SD card? I use a class 6 16GB and dont have too much of a lag.
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I am using whatever came with Arc. I didn't check the class but it is 16GB card.

kitsVA said:
I am using whatever came with Arc. I didn't check the class but it is 16GB card.
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Class 2, the lowest

By the way how can we know the class we had of mscard ?
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rumy said:
Could it be possible that you are using a slow SD card? I use a class 6 16GB and dont have too much of a lag.
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Very unlikely to be the cause. Class of an SD card really only affects how fast you can write to it, read speeds are generally extremely fast regardless of class.

Seems to be less traffic of late.

Did everyone go buy a Microsoft Winblows Surface or what?
I've had the 10.1 since day 1 in the US.I watched the "Development" and the "Original Development" forums start out slow then swell to huge numbers where there was a new ROM every day it seemed.I remember when JB came out and we all started out with Darkman's German release ( I stayed up most of the night hitting refresh as more and more people commented on the progress of their individual downloads to see who would be the first few to flash it) ...now it seems very quiet indeed . I dont think there has been a better tablet made yet than this one (as far as pure hardware stats go plus the s-pen) sure a few have higher stats in one area or the other but from my research I would say that 8013/8000/8010 are still King.Possibly with the exception of 8020.
Anyway Ive rambled long enough but if anyone has any thoughts I'd love to hear them.Again the question was.1)Has ayone else noticed a drop off in traffic in "Note 10.1 Original Android Development" & "Note 10.1 Android Development"?
2)Why do you think its happening?
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There just havent been any news on the note for a while.
I got the nexus 4 and im spending most of my time on their forums nowadays
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I think you're right. Fewer posts, less frenzy. I guess our beloved Note 10.1 is old news now. With consumers 10 second attention span, those of us with Notes are "so yesterday". That's okay. I still love mine and plan to keep it for long time.
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They dont come here to look for solutions/workarounds as there are no major issues. There are no issues to solve!
I only glance this forum once a while to see new accessories / apps that ppl are raving about...
I dont even open development section, as i love stock rom...!
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I have also noticed a lack of participation lately. Checked Ebay only 58 used vs 203 new active auctions for Note 10.1's. So........ not a lot of jumpers.
I had expected to see more posts last night as a new build was pushed out to me yesterday.
But all seems quiet.
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Don't forget, as the weather improves in the Northern Hemispere more people are getting outside for RL activities. Forums see more activity when the weather outside is uninviting.

I'm working on a rom as I just got my tab like a week ago. I hope it's not dead
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check out our rom website, http://updater.team-nocturnal.com/labrats/

mke1973 said:
Don't forget, as the weather improves in the Northern Hemispere more people are getting outside for RL activities. Forums see more activity when the weather outside is uninviting.
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Was thinking that also.

fryingpan0613 said:
I'm working on a rom as I just got my tab like a week ago. I hope it's not dead
check out our rom website, http://updater.team-nocturnal.com/labrats/
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more roms the better. Keep it coming..
There are not many takers for note 10.1 but those who use it love it.

smrsxn said:
They dont come here to look for solutions/workarounds as there are no major issues. There are no issues to solve!
I dont even open development section, as i love stock rom...!
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^ this
samsung have pretty much nailed it for me, with the stock rom, so for the 1st time no need flash anything else.

I have also noticed a decline in activity, but I plan on starting kernel development over the summer mainly for baked#8.
Don't expect any miracles as I am only just starting developing
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Jack

Only device i have that is Fine stock
I would agree with some of the others above and some from other post in this forum. The note is one of the best most well thought out android devices. The only device i have ever owned that i have not played with the rom on. Thou Im considering the extra mutli rom app to add a few non muli view apps to mulit view.. But with that said more and more apps are becoming available for multi view.. Samsung has done well with the note no doubt..
Conclusion is.. There is less people in this forum because there are more people Happy with the Note and what it offers Stock. Rom dev has slowed because the note is great as is. Also i will add i think its a tougher device to mess with its Rom due to s-pen and the touch wiz
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Erica Renee Loves her Note 10.1..... I will play with the roms and themes on my toy The nexus 7 .. I have 6 different roms multi booting on it ...

smrsxn said:
They don't come here to look for solutions/workarounds as there are no major issues. There are no issues to solve!
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^ This.
I thought I'd hate TW, but other than rooting it (and upgrading the kernel out of habit 'cause that's what I do for a living anyway) I run a Stock ROM.

more updates will come and new ROM will be made .. 4.1.2 has been out for a while and 4.2 should be coming soon.. also not many things wrong with note on stock and cm based ROM is not taking advantage of the note full features.. Maybe Google will add some of Samsung features in android 5.0..

Just read last night that the note 10.1 has only about 3% of android tablet market share. I was surprised it was so low. Maybe that's why there isn't a lot of activity.
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smrsxn said:
They dont come here to look for solutions/workarounds as there are no major issues. There are no issues to solve!
I only glance this forum once a while to see new accessories / apps that ppl are raving about...
I dont even open development section, as i love stock rom...!
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+1
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Cetus Corr said:
Just read last night that the note 10.1 has only about 3% of android tablet market share. I was surprised it was so low. Maybe that's why there isn't a lot of activity.
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The price point is too high for the note 19.1or 8 to get much market share. Samsung is rolling in the dough because of carrier subsidies of their high end phones. If those end, they're going to have to make adjustments to their pricing or they stand to see their market share fall.
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txtmikhail said:
more updates will come and new ROM will be made .. 4.1.2 has been out for a while and 4.2 should be coming soon.. also not many things wrong with note on stock and cm based ROM is not taking advantage of the note full features.. Maybe Google will add some of Samsung features in android 5.0..
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Let's hope Samsung can unbreak JB 4.2. Nexus device owners are reporting in the Google Code forums that BT remains broken in the latest iteration of 4.2. Audio BT seems completely broken (including in auto BT systems) while other BT devices may connect but then shut down, requiring a device reboot. Merging Android into Chrome doesn't bode well, which seems to be the direction Google is going as evidenced by the shift of Android to the manager of Chrome.

Cetus Corr said:
Just read last night that the note 10.1 has only about 3% of android tablet market share. I was surprised it was so low. Maybe that's why there isn't a lot of activity.
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Looks like the results are based on devices that install their app. Not really an accurate gauge imo

I used to frequent the Asus Transformer forums a lot because I was going crazy with installing different roms and doing whatever I can to the device. With the Note, I actually use it for pretty well-defined purposes and so I haven't really had any inclination to change it in any way since it's already so damned useful. I mean, once I got the multiwindow to work for all apps, I didn't need any additional customizing so I only occasionally glance at these forums. :/ The troubles of being so good.

smrsxn said:
They dont come here to look for solutions/workarounds as there are no major issues. There are no issues to solve!
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That's pretty much true. The N7100 forum is pretty quiet too. Want to see a ghost town, go check out the TF700 forum. The Note 10.1's nine months old which, in the tech world, means not so fresh anymore. I still wouldn't trade mine for anything. So, no news is good news. Samsung's been pushing features of their newer devices down via updates so 4.2 with some of the SGS4's stuff should give us something to talk about.

LG G2 now, or hold on for Nexus 5?

I'm really torn between what we know about the G2 and the updates on the Nexus devices.
I'm coming from an Atrix, which was crapped on by Motorola, so I don't want get stuck on another device without updates or plenty of custom roms.
I don't think the Nexus 5 will be as good specs wise as the G2, but it will likely have more custom roms.
If you have the G2 now, how happy are you with it?
Do you feel there is a decent community building around the G2?
I can get an LG G2 from O2 in the UK for £10, and £22 a month, which may be cheaper than getting a Nexus 5 on contract.
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I am having the same thoughts too.
Bigger screen and battery, better camera.
But I would only want paranoid rom on my phone. Pie is the best for no hw buttons.
I can only hope when n5 comes out, the source will greatly help in g2 aosp roms

I think nexus devices have more aosp Roms. But devices with vendor overlays typically have a better variety of roms. Though the aosp run smoother in nexus devices. Cm is looking very promising for the g2.
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I don't even understand all these talks comparing the Nexus 5 to the LG G2.
There is one thing which is much more important than all other factors: While both don't have replaceable battery, the G2 has a 3000mah battery, while the Nexus 5 has a 2300mah battery. All other differences are negligible (Stock android or not, KitKat or 4.2.2, etc.).
Once the battery is at 0%, your phone becomes nothing but a paperweight, and this is going to happen much much (much) sooner with the Nexus 5.

I just picked up the LG G2, Its a beast.
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Stock vanilla Android sux and is boring as hell. The G2 was a no brainer for me.
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Noam23 said:
I don't even understand all these talks comparing the Nexus 5 to the LG G2.
There is one thing which is much more important than all other factors: While both don't have replaceable battery, the G2 has a 3000mah battery, while the Nexus 5 has a 2300mah battery. All other differences are negligible (Stock android or not, KitKat or 4.2.2, etc.).
Once the battery is at 0%, your phone becomes nothing but a paperweight, and this is going to happen much much (much) sooner with the Nexus 5.
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I'm not comparing, they're just the two phones I keep thinking about. I agree that the battery is a good draw, but as long as I can get from 7am to 10pm on light/medium usage I'll be happy.
I think the big issue with the Atrix updates was Nvidia, and with the N5 and G2 having similar hardware and also coming from LG, I would hope there was some transfer, similar to N1 and the HTC Desire.
I've seen reviews moaning about LG's software overlay, but people here sound happy enough, and with CM 10.1 I'm hopefully other custom Rome will follow.
I think I'm talking myself into it!
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I'm completely satisfied with my decision to get the G2. Although I'm on Verizon and I couldn't have a Nexus 5 if I wanted, I'd still have this opinion.

chronicfathead said:
I'm not comparing, they're just the two phones I keep thinking about. I agree that the battery is a good draw, but as long as I can get from 7am to 10pm on light/medium usage I'll be happy.
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On "light" use, maybe. On moderate use - hard to believe.
With the Nexus 5 and anything over light use, you're going to become an "electricity outlet zombie".

chronicfathead said:
I've seen reviews moaning about LG's software overlay, but people here sound happy enough, and with CM 10.1 I'm hopefully other custom Rome will follow.
I think I'm talking myself into it!
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The problem I always have with people who base their opinions off of others is that they don't think for themselves and assume whatever people tell them is the holy truth. Go to the store and try the LG g2 yourself and decide if the LG skin is really that bad. I have tried the LG skin and I don't have major issues with it but only minor issues with the notification bar.
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ericdabbs said:
The problem I always have with people who base their opinions off of others is that they don't think for themselves and assume whatever people tell them is the holy truth. Go to the store and try the LG g2 yourself and decide if the LG skin is really that bad. I have tried the LG skin and I don't have major issues with it but only minor issues with the notification bar.
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See that's the thing. Many reviewers just can't find anything wrong with the G2 that they will write as much as possible about their own personal whims, like this guy who takes all his strength to slam the phone as hard as he can, especially on the software part http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...-gets-caught-living-in-the-shadows-of-giants/
I'm pretty sure the majority of people don't think LG UI is that bad. Even if the drawer is cluttered, just root and flash the verizon-esque notifications mod. It's not that hard.

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See that's the thing. Many reviewers just can't find anything wrong with the G2 that they will write as much as possible about their own personal whims, like this guy who takes all his strength to slam the phone as hard as he can, especially on the software part http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...-gets-caught-living-in-the-shadows-of-giants/
I'm pretty sure the majority of people don't think LG UI is that bad. Even if the drawer is cluttered, just root and flash the verizon-esque notifications mod. It's not that hard.
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LG UI is actually pretty good, it's smooth and functional. It may seem a bit too much for some people but for average users it is actually quite nice.

G2 bro. Why get a watered down "Value G2" with empty stock? The fact you have to root it to like it defeats the purpose alone. Buy the phone that works out the box. G2 is my dream phone. I'm done with boring stock. I need features and battery.
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ericdabbs said:
The problem I always have with people who base their opinions off of others is that they don't think for themselves and assume whatever people tell them is the holy truth. Go to the store and try the LG g2 yourself and decide if the LG skin is really that bad. I have tried the LG skin and I don't have major issues with it but only minor issues with the notification bar.
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I haven't seen one in the stores yet, and I've been in a few last Friday. Hopefully I'll find one today. Everyone seems enthusiastic, and there seems to be more activity in the forums, which gives me hope.
Is the UK variant the same as an existing model in the dev forum?
My other thought was that if i'm not happy I can always sell it and get the same amount of money as I would in need to buy the N5 outright.
Thanks for all your input.
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It was between the g2 - note 3 - nexus 5 and I after much hands on testing and research I am fully confident that my choice in getting the g2 was a good one. Had it for 2 weeks and am loving it. The lg ui isn't bad at all and the features the stock rom offers are pretty good. I prefer double tapping the screen to turn on/off over to pressing a physical button, not just on this phone but any phone. Best battery life of any phone I've ever used, feels like ur using an extended battery. And the phone is slick with no hiccups. Go g2. Or wait for the galaxy s5.
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This G2 is by far the best phone I have owned. I'm still in awe that I can get 26 hours of battery life and still be at 10%.
The UI is fine by me in all aspects. Feels like stock but with some nice touches added. Love this phone and glad they had the Keep Your Unlimited Weekend!
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I also forgot to mention I don't like how you can't customize the app drawer icon like all the rest. Blah

What features are particularly desirable in the Custom Roms?
It seems easy enough to replace the Launcher and very heavily de-bloat the System.
The CPU is already fast enough to negate minor speed tweaks, although they're still possible.
You can already do per app DPI/resolution changes.
I appreciate custom roms as much as the next guy, but it seems to me that once you've changed the launcher, hidden the soft keys (Auto Hide Soft Keys) and changed the DPI, there's little stock (LG) left that's obtrusive.
Most of the stock tweaks are minimal:
QSlide floating apps are useful, but unobtrusive if you don't need it.
Tap on/off is actually useful.
It could really do with OpenMic like the Motorola.
To me I can't see how much we're losing or gaining on the custom roms, and it seems inevitable that they'll arrive soon enough anyway. CleanRoms are already out.
I've remapped the back button keys to give me a dedicated menu and back button. Although frankly, I almost never use the hardware buttons.
It's a great piece of hardware, but strongly recommend the 32GB variant.
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vijay555 said:
What features are particularly desirable in the Custom Roms?
It seems easy enough to replace the Launcher and very heavily de-bloat the System.
The CPU is already fast enough to negate minor speed tweaks, although they're still possible.
You can already do per app DPI/resolution changes.
I appreciate custom roms as much as the next guy, but it seems to me that once you've changed the launcher, hidden the soft keys (Auto Hide Soft Keys) and changed the DPI, there's little stock (LG) left that's obtrusive.
Most of the stock tweaks are minimal:
QSlide floating apps are useful, but unobtrusive if you don't need it.
Tap on/off is actually useful.
It could really do with OpenMic like the Motorola.
To me I can't see how much we're losing or gaining on the custom roms, and it seems inevitable that they'll arrive soon enough anyway. CleanRoms are already out.
I've remapped the back button keys to give me a dedicated menu and back button. Although frankly, I almost never use the hardware buttons.
It's a great piece of hardware, but strongly recommend the 32GB variant.
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Thanks.
If I get a G2 in the UK, what development thread should I be following, as there are three custom forums and a generic development thread. I've learned from my works G S3 that there are different versions and you have to follow the correct version.
I've been out and played with one in the shop, and played with a dummy phone, and it feels nice.
EDIT: Just placed my order, and hope to have it tomorrow!!
I hope to be become a valid member of the G2 community, and will try to help test etc where needed.

chronicfathead said:
Thanks.
If I get a G2 in the UK, what development thread should I be following, as there are three custom forums and a generic development thread. I've learned from my works G S3 that there are different versions and you have to follow the correct version.
I've been out and played with one in the shop, and played with a dummy phone, and it feels nice.
EDIT: Just placed my order, and hope to have it tomorrow!!
I hope to be become a valid member of the G2 community, and will try to help test etc where needed.
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I don't think there is a UK thread. Just follow the non US ones and mark the thread as 802 (our variation). Root and TWRP works fine.
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Nexus 5 manual specs leaked
http://phandroid.com/2013/10/06/nexus-5-service-manual-8mp-ois-camera-32gb/
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The sheer insult of AMOLED's wasted potential

It seems strange that a screen that could, if properly integrated with small aesthetic changes in the software, extend dramatically the battery life of this device is being asked more and more (with every update) to energize and illuminate as many pixels with 100% white as possible. It is maddening to me. When we add into the mix the non-replaceable battery, the whole thing starts to reek of planned obsolescence.
I would like to give motorola the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that the software developers in charge of the texting, dialer, and contacts truly have our eyes and sensibilities at heart, but it is difficult.
Thank you to all developers, including those who created this very app, who have followed in the footsteps of blackle (or without any external inspiration) and afforded the end user a simple switch in a settings dialogue somewhere.
I am assuming that at some point another software update will happen for this otherwise amazing phone. What are the options for communicating the desire for such a change to those rolling out 4.4.next? Whose skirt do I tug on? I have seen a LOT of similar sentiment. Also, should the ability to root an at&t '58 ever come to light, are there any ROMs that are skinned in darkness? Oh wait, I know, UTSF.
I feel better just talking about it. Thanks.

What?

It's stock Android, not specifically the Moto X. Indeed if you root there are many ways to make the white black
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rocketsaucev2 said:
It's stock Android, not specifically the Moto X. Indeed if you root there are many ways to make the white black
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any root app for this?

super65man said:
any root app for this?
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Gravity Box for all black system and "team blacked out" (they invert many apps) for a lot else. Also, there are many apps, that have "dark" (black) themes. I use Textra (sms) and whatsapp plus (find a black costum theme). Also, for Firefox there are extensions, that invert webpages. Too bbad Firefox is crap
But hold your horses, the difference in battery life isn't that dramatic. People will ALWAYS pick the phone that is brighter and has more "vibrant" colors in the store. The latest Samsung ad even refers to the critic, the colors on their devices are over saturated. It's a feature, not a bug

Dark menus and apps like the dialer are generally harder to view outside, and aren't as pleasing to the eye. Had a GS4 (it has an AMOLED screen as well) and tried a custom ROM done exactly to accommodate the AMOLED with dark colors and clear black everywhere possible. Well, I didn't enjoyed that in the long run, although it looked sleek at first sight. As I said it's generally harder to view the screen outside, and the eyes tend to tire from the black background.
Simply not worth it for the additional hour or two at most of battery life.

thesimulacre said:
It seems strange that a screen that could, if properly integrated with small aesthetic changes in the software, extend dramatically the battery life of this device is being asked more and more (with every update) to energize and illuminate as many pixels with 100% white as possible. It is maddening to me. When we add into the mix the non-replaceable battery, the whole thing starts to reek of planned obsolescence.
I would like to give motorola the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that the software developers in charge of the texting, dialer, and contacts truly have our eyes and sensibilities at heart, but it is difficult.
Thank you to all developers, including those who created this very app, who have followed in the footsteps of blackle (or without any external inspiration) and afforded the end user a simple switch in a settings dialogue somewhere.
I am assuming that at some point another software update will happen for this otherwise amazing phone. What are the options for communicating the desire for such a change to those rolling out 4.4.next? Whose skirt do I tug on? I have seen a LOT of similar sentiment. Also, should the ability to root an at&t '58 ever come to light, are there any ROMs that are skinned in darkness? Oh wait, I know, UTSF.
I feel better just talking about it. Thanks.
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Well you could have just said I want the choice to change all light themes to dark to save battery. Wow, did that all in one sentence LOL sorry had to be a smart ass. I do agree I prefer black especially at night even on a low setting it is blinding.

I like the black/blue look mainly because it looks more high tech than all the white nonsense of KitKat. That's why my X is still on 4.2.2.

bigv5150 said:
Well you could have just said I want the choice to change all light themes to dark to save battery. Wow, did that all in one sentence LOL sorry had to be a smart ass. I do agree I prefer black especially at night even on a low setting it is blinding.
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Brevity is not my strong suit.
The search function brought me to a cyanogenmod version of the texting that, with a little defaults finegeling, brought me back the old black n blue, which I also like better.
I think that without the ability to change permissions, though, the contacts and dialer are out of reach.

If you like black and blue,I'm sure there are forums for that.

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I like the black/blue look mainly because it looks more high tech than all the white nonsense of KitKat. That's why my X is still on 4.2.2.
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That's absolutey ridiculous. You are missing out on so many Motorola updates not to mention android itself by staying on jelly bean. I don't even
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rocketsaucev2 said:
That's absolutey ridiculous. You are missing out on so many Motorola updates not to mention android itself by staying on jelly bean. I don't even
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I have a Nexus 5 as well, so I do have a phone that is running the latest and greatest. I know what I am missing out on, and it's not much as far as I'm concerned. For me, my Moto X is perfect. It does everything I need it to, the way I need it to so there is absolutely no reason for me to update it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm not one of those guys who has to have the latest software on everything. My MacBook Pro is still on Snow Leopard, my iPad Mini Retina is on iOS 7, and again, my X is on 4.2.2. Heck, even my 2013 Nexus 7 is still on Jelly Bean. I find something that works, and I stick with it.

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I have a Nexus 5 as well, so I do have a phone that is running the latest and greatest. I know what I am missing out on, and it's not much as far as I'm concerned. For me, my Moto X is perfect. It does everything I need it to, the way I need it to so there is absolutely no reason for me to update it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm not one of those guys who has to have the latest software on everything. My MacBook Pro is still on Snow Leopard, my iPad Mini Retina is on iOS 7, and again, my X is on 4.2.2. Heck, even my 2013 Nexus 7 is still on Jelly Bean. I find something that works, and I stick with it.
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Not just the 'latest and greatest'. If updates to the Motorola features on the Moto X are not much as far as your concerned then that defeats the purpose of owning the Moto X. They haven't fixed anything that was broken, they've made them better. I guess you couldn't know what you are missing because you have made the puzzling decision to willingly stagnate your device ?
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Not just the 'latest and greatest'. If updates to the Motorola features on the Moto X are not much as far as your concerned then that defeats the purpose of owning the Moto X. They haven't fixed anything that was broken, they've made them better. I guess you couldn't know what you are missing because you have made the puzzling decision to willingly stagnate your device ?
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As I said, the features I use work perfectly for me. I don't need anything else from my X besides what I'm already getting from it. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.

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As I said, the features I use work perfectly for me. I don't need anything else from my X besides what I'm already getting from it. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
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The software you are running is inferior
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The software you are running is inferior
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Lol! My thoughts exactly! ? Trust me I know what I'm doing
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Android 7 V.S Android 6 in Real Life

Hi to every lucky body that get android 7 final.i made this topic to share your results in android 7 and compare with yours in android 6..like camera..battery..speed..tanx and hope to be usefull and active topic??????
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Well, it's a tiny bit snappier, and a tiny bit faster overall.
The battery is better; I get 3:45 to 4 hours SOT in auto brightness, full location services with wireless scanning, google now on, google cards on, hot word on from any screen... the full google experience, for short.
It's better than I had with a variety of mods and ROMs on Marshmallow.
I especially enjoy the new notification center. I can read numerous full messages and emails right from the notification slide. Quite awesome.
And I thank the gods of Google for removing the stupid enlarged tiles for Wireless and Bluetooth, the most annoying feature ever.

Battery is not bad for stock but I get the feeling with all mods and tweaks and kernels and such android M was a bit better...
But it would be unfair to compare those two as M has been worked on for a year now... N is fresh out of the box so let's wait and see how much battery can be improved.
Other than that N is very fluent and fast. Up to now also very stable and offers some important options that used to be mods some years ago.
Camera... And such... Did not really compare but would expect them to be similar...

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Other than that N is very fluent and fast. Up to now also very stable and offers some important options that used to be mods some years ago.
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I haven't tried N yet, but I was reading a comment on Slashdot that led me to believe, that it included something similar to CM13 privacy manager ? Is this true? Do you now get to choose what apps get access to? Can you block them from wireless, cellular data?
^ This feature alone made me upgrade the wife's and kids tablets from Nexus 7s to Nexus 7 (2013)s so I could put them on CM13.

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I haven't tried N yet, but I was reading a comment on Slashdot that led me to believe, that it included something similar to CM13 privacy manager ? Is this true? Do you now get to choose what apps get access to? Can you block them from wireless, cellular data?
^ This feature alone made me upgrade the wife's and kids tablets from Nexus 7s to Nexus 7 (2013)s so I could put them on CM13.
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No, but you can do that from Data Usage in Settings, in M as well.

I've been using it for 2 days now. The doze feature is way better than that of M. I've noticed certain performance boost in games like asphalt 8 as the game used to lag after thermal throttling was active in M.
The usage is very very smooth, feels very light. I mostly love the quick settings panel as because it looks and is well organised than the previous version. It's just an initial build and its quite stable. I would say I am impressed and good to go with 7.0.
Well this was my perspective.

I think charging while screen is on is improved. Can someone confirm?

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I think charging while screen is on is improved. Can someone confirm?
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Not entirely sure... NExus 5x has quite some struggle with charging when screen on.
Under M there was almost no charging when screen was on and you did some browsing...
Might be slightly better under N... though I havent tested it long enough to confirm... Charging basically stopped when you used your phone constantly and not just for writing a text under M...

Nope, seems same like before.
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Edit: it actually seems better, I'm using my phone on charger for about 10mins, and ampere measures around 1100mAh.
On MM it wouldn't go to more than 300mAh while screen on.
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Nightshadow931 said:
Nope, seems same like before.
Edit: it actually seems better, I'm using my phone on charger for about 10mins, and ampere measures around 1100mAh.
On MM it wouldn't go to more than 300mAh while screen on.
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I tested it while playing a game (8 ball pool, not a resource intensive app) and the percentage went up atleast 2 to 3 % in roughly 5-10 minutes. It seems that it is improved. But we still need someone to look through the kernel's code or run a reliable test!

I have it on my 5x since it dropped was on dp5 before that. Official seems smoother don't really use the 5x since I got the s7.

I'm actually seeing what seems to be worse battery performance. I've eliminated a few apps that were troublesome, but it looks like the battery is draining faster than on "M". I'm hoping that it's simply a problem with the crappy cell signal in my office - my connection bounces between 27 different towers and it's still crappy at best.

Atleast for me, I can confirm that charging while screen on is finally fixed. Hail hydra!

As previously stated, it feels a lot snappier and lighter being on Nougat as opposed to Marshmallow. Quick Settings are better overall, especially when you're able to add custom quick tiles via apps in the Play Store. Only complaint about the Quick Settings is that the Wifi and Bluetooth used to toggle on press, then open mini settings when you clicked the text. Now it just opens mini settings. I can get used to that, though.
Oh, and I still hate the white background in the settings app. Haven't found any Layers themes that work well yet. If anybody else finds one, let me know.

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As previously stated, it feels a lot snappier and lighter being on Nougat as opposed to Marshmallow. Quick Settings are better overall, especially when you're able to add custom quick tiles via apps in the Play Store. Only complaint about the Quick Settings is that the Wifi and Bluetooth used to toggle on press, then open mini settings when you clicked the text. Now it just opens mini settings. I can get used to that, though.
Oh, and I still hate the white background in the settings app. Haven't found any Layers themes that work well yet. If anybody else finds one, let me know.
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Just rooted the final N and put Substratum and Mono Theme on. Settings awesomely dark with other theme goodies.

new useful features, more usr friendly interface, for me - good change

enzo_cz said:
Just rooted the final N and put Substratum and Mono Theme on. Settings awesomely dark with other theme goodies.
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How did you get Substratum working?

bhs73 said:
How did you get Substratum working?
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Upon getting my phone rooted I downloaded it from PlayStore, installed, did the permissions, insalled Mono theme and that was it.

enzo_cz said:
Upon getting my phone rooted I downloaded it from PlayStore, installed, did the permissions, insalled Mono theme and that was it.
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Oh, that easy? Thanks man, I owe you a beer.

bhs73 said:
Oh, that easy? Thanks man, I owe you a beer.
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Important, there are sorta probs about Substratum and Android N, such as make sure you wont apply it to Chrome and Documents for example. You'd get instant force close. And if there's any other app like that, you need to make sure it is off the list to get themed.