Thinking of buying (or the Note5) - Galaxy S6 Edge+ Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I don't understand why the Galaxy s6 and it's variants can't run CM. I know that it has to do with this type of chipset, but I guess my real question is what makes the CPU
"un-CMable"?

stevew84 said:
I don't understand why the Galaxy s6 and it's variants can't run CM. I know that it has to do with this type of chipset, but I guess my real question is what makes the CPU
"un-CMable"?
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note5 has the same chipset as s6/edge/plus, therefore you will "suffer" the same problem with it!
a litte detail:
the "problem" with samsungs exynos chipsets is that they are closed source (linux only forces kernel to be open source, NOT the hardware), therefore it is much more complicated for developers to get AOSP/CM and its derivates to run properly!
just go ahead and enjoy this wonderful phone!

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[Q] Which is better for Snapdragon 600 or Exynos 5

When considering which Galaxy S4 to buy I'm not sure which is better the US or International version.
US:
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
International:
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
Which is better in terms of performance?
Are they relatively the same performance since both use a quad core for high performance?
Which is better for gaming?
Which is better for battery life?
Exynos is better in every aspect
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Better in sucking battery, yes! But that's it. You can expect development to be absolute crap as No developer wants to develope for exynos.
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Read this and educate yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191850
If your going to troll at least get your facts straight
Exynos will preform better and save more battery than the snapdragon 600 or almost any android device for that matter and he didn't ask for dev support comparisons
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Imo, real world battery tests and endurances is better than reading those facts. Tbh, it's too early to conclude which is better. Trully, exynos may sound better and more power efficient based on paper, but as of now, we aren't really absolutely sure that the s600 is far left behind. I think, the best for now is to wait for future actual owners of the official S4 to test the performance and battery life themselves..
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it's too early to tell, yes.
but I'm sure the Exynos Octa will perform as good as the snapdragon
and probably save more battery, since that's the whole point lol
PLUS it has a much newer and better GPU which is the reason I'm most interested in it
PLUG313 said:
it's too early to tell, yes.
but I'm sure the Exynos Octa will perform as good as the snapdragon
and probably save more battery, since that's the whole point lol
PLUS it has a much newer and better GPU which is the reason I'm most interested in it
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it's not so new and better like you say. the new gs4 has a powervr sgx544 wich is less performant than the adreno 320 of the snapdragon 600 http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?base=gpu
Many, MANY, of the top developers have already said they will not develop for Exynos. That would end that choice for me.
Omar56 said:
it's not so new and better like you say. the new gs4 has a powervr sgx544 wich is less performant than the adreno 320 of the snapdragon 600 http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?base=gpu
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how odd, I thought it was way better from what I read around the forums
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crawlgsx said:
Many, MANY, of the top developers have already said they will not develop for Exynos. That would end that choice for me.
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May i ask why? Sorry but i'm new to the samsung forums and don't have any idea why do the developers of exynos were withdrawing to support such a beast processor..
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Samsung won't release proper sources to help in development
But don't let that guy fool you we have dev support just not as much as say a Sony or HTC device
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samsung does show reluctance in helping developers especially with exynos!
exynos 5 did gave an impression, with multiple cores for battery saving.. but the real verdict will be available as soon as phone is released!!
snapdragon is a beast, no doubt in that!
Qualcomm will surely release sources so no problem with development of snapdragon s4!
I'm sure for such high activity device, CM will be there but the maintainers are no longer making CM, that's a bad news!!
I don't understand samsung's problem with open source, even in mid range phones like y,grand etc they have put broadcom chip with no available sources which makes CM development very hard for them!
Yup
js2892 said:
samsung does show reluctance in helping developers especially with exynos!
exynos 5 did gave an impression, with multiple cores for battery saving.. but the real verdict will be available as soon as phone is released!!
snapdragon is a beast, no doubt in that!
Qualcomm will surely release sources so no problem with development of snapdragon s4!
I'm sure for such high activity device, CM will be there but the maintainers are no longer making CM, that's a bad news!!
I don't understand samsung's problem with open source, even in mid range phones like y,grand etc they have put broadcom chip with no available sources which makes CM development very hard for them!
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i think Samsung is afraid of giving up their edge.. samsung never uses the mainstream parts.. they developed AMOLED when everyone went LCD, they went quad when everyone else went dual, and octa when everyone else went quad, while others stayed close to stock, Samsung made some awesome innovations in its unappreciated touchwiz that fixed lots of missing elements of its competitors (toggles in dropbar, delete apps from drawer, task killer inside long-press, divx/xvid support, exfat, swype, customizable gestures, etc)
Samsung doesn't want its competition to be able to take anything from it. the competition doesn't have anything to lose, as everyone else is pretty much doing the same thing in terms of the same screen given to every phone, and the same processor in every phone.
just my thoughts into it, its better for me if they were, but i think that's why they aren't so open.
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mikegonzalez2k said:
When considering which Galaxy S4 to buy I'm not sure which is better the US or International version.
US:
Snapdragon 600
1.9 Ghz
Quad Core Krait 300.
or
International:
Exynos5
1.6 Ghz Octal Core
Quad Core Cortex A15 / Quad Core A7
Which is better in terms of performance?
Are they relatively the same performance since both use a quad core for high performance?
Which is better for gaming?
Which is better for battery life?
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in my experience and study;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snapdragon
x102x96x said:
in my experience and study;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snapdragon
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do you mean the exynos is superior?
essentially they are both QUAD core chips right?, one having a high power sibling to offload heavy duty work, and the other just being heavy duty.
So if this was the case the 1.9ghz chip would be faster anyway right?
NuclearEMP said:
essentially they are both QUAD core chips right?, one having a high power sibling to offload heavy duty work, and the other just being heavy duty.
So if this was the case the 1.9ghz chip would be faster anyway right?
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Actually no the krait cores in the snapdragon 600 have to compromise performance to save battery whereas Exynos doesn't it's alot faster + has better gpu all that while saving more battery
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TingTingin said:
Samsung won't release proper sources to help in development
But don't let that guy fool you we have dev support just not as much as say a Sony or HTC device
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Just depends on what part of Dev is important to you.
Exynos S4 will NOT get official CM support, but I am sure there will be lots of half baked themed TW roms if that is what you like.
crawlgsx said:
Just depends on what part of Dev is important to you.
Exynos S4 will NOT get official CM support, but I am sure there will be lots of half baked themed TW roms if that is what you like.
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Team hacksung have come out as saying that no one person speaks for the group
www.androidpolice.com/2013/03/19/te...ther-confirms-nor-denies-plans-for-cm-on-gs4/
I.e it may very well attain cm support
And as for the half baked cm roms that's also incorrect actually touchwiz roms are excellent
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[Q] Which Galaxy s4?!

I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
I'm going with the SD 600 because Qualcomm is very good at providing the source code for ROM development.
There really isn't going to be a huge difference in performance. The Exynos is slightly more powerful and comes with a Wolfson audio chip, but you're going to be limited to stock roms and incomplete AOSP roms until Samsung decides to release the source code. So if you plan to stay stock, get the Exynos. If you want AOSP roms, go with the Qualcomm.
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I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
Closed Source Project said:
I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
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What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
bedi.gursimran said:
What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
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The "Source Code" as he is talking about is for the exerynos chip sets. They are Closed Source Drivers that Samsung uses/makes. They have never released source code for the exerynos. So for developers who modify the operating system to use MAINLY AOSP type builds they have to basically create their own drivers to get them working partially and quite often they do not perform as well as some if the hardware when using a Samsung based ROM that they were made for. The exerynos is awesome but it frustrated MANY developers to not want to bother trying to get things working any longer for the phones with exerynos due to the lack of documentation of the drivers source code Samsung made. I am sure I am not totally correct here with some of the terms and it probably could be stated better. This is just my layman's take on the issue...
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
Anas553 said:
I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
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For now gaming would be better on exynos variant ,for development s600.
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Anas553 said:
Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
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Yes. It is one of the most powerful processors you can get now. For me though, the deciding factor between the two is battery life. If the BIG.LITRLE architecture works as promised and delivers amazing battery life while doing things like watching videos and browsing the Web, I9500 will be the one I'm aiming for.
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Exynos Vs Snapdragon

So....
Why Snapdragon is Better Than Exynos??
And Why Exynos is Better Than Snapdragon??
Ahmedmoataz said:
So....
Why Snapdragon is Better Than Exynos??
And Why Exynos is Better Than Snapdragon??
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Next time use the search function. If you really want to beat a dead horse here is the original thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2461792
Short version. As a general rule the Exynos 5 Octa is slightly faster CPU and Snapdragon 800 is slightly faster GPU.
thanks bro
Okay so I am the first person to admit I have not read this whole thread.
However at this point we should all realize that mos bechmarks do not mean ****. We have seen how they can be gamed.
That being said from what I have seen Snapdragon seems to be a hair better in real world usage. More importantly it charges significantly faster.
AMG_Roadster said:
Okay so I am the first person to admit I have not read this whole thread.
However at this point we should all realize that mos bechmarks do not mean ****. We have seen how they can be gamed.
That being said from what I have seen Snapdragon seems to be a hair better in real world usage. More importantly it charges significantly faster.
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I still think it helps show the full potential of the hardware. I know there are issues that Samsung rigged the bench apps to run its products in full juice but isn't that the purpose of running bench tests? To see how much power does you machine have when pushed to the limits?
May not be descriptive of real world use but still an indication of your gadgets raw power.
Not OP, but piggybacking on this thread: how about the driver issue?
I've read somewhere that Samsung is much worse publishing drivers for custom ROMs to use with their Exynos processors than Broadcomm is for Snapdragon. So far I've only ever owned Nexus devices where that isn't a huge problem (unless past Gingerbread N1) and I definitely want to keep fooling around with homebrew stuff. Also want to flash new Android versions as soon as they're being published, not when Samsung releases them. I don't care much for the S-Pen or Touchwiz, but since it looks like there won't be a new Nexus 10 I'm looking for alternatives.
So, for tinkerers: Exynos or Snapdragon?
qrn said:
Not OP, but piggybacking on this thread: how about the driver issue?
I've read somewhere that Samsung is much worse publishing drivers for custom ROMs to use with their Exynos processors than Broadcomm is for Snapdragon. So far I've only ever owned Nexus devices where that isn't a huge problem (unless past Gingerbread N1) and I definitely want to keep fooling around with homebrew stuff. Also want to flash new Android versions as soon as they're being published, not when Samsung releases them. I don't care much for the S-Pen or Touchwiz, but since it looks like there won't be a new Nexus 10 I'm looking for alternatives.
So, for tinkerers: Exynos or Snapdragon?
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Snapdragon... Samsung seem to want to REALLY hold onto the drivers for the exynos.... Makes custom roms a tad hard to make when you're not sure the hardware will actually work...

[Q] NOTE 4 snapdragon vs Exynos

hello , i'm going to but samsung galaxy note 4 and i want to know which is better version of the amazing note , Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 or
Exynos 5433? ​
thanks i advance
shehaaaap said:
hello , i'm going to but samsung galaxy note 4 and i want to know which is better version of the amazing note , Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 or
Exynos 5433? ​
thanks i advance
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Search Bar on your right will do the job, www.google.com, www.youtube.com, cheers:fingers-crossed:
dude , if you can help me then answer , if not then please be silent
Not an easy answer sadly.
If your a rom flasher go with the snapdragon as it seems to be easier to work with in that way and there are more Roms. I guess it's more of a known quantity in the 805 and a good solid common cpu. Likely the most popular cpu is the 805.
Exynos from what I've seen has better benchmark scores (I have C variant and have been close to 60k) better ram performance and 8 core so that can help. Also the Exynos cpu has the possibility to unlock 64bit, far as I know this will never be possible on the sd805.
Exynos also has incoming CM12.1 which should open up the rom gates to all AOSP and help catch up the snapdragon versions in that area.
I'm gonna say go for the Exynos it has a lot of potential and overall performance very solid.
But I'm a bit biased as I own that device.
Hope that helps you bro
shehaaaap said:
hello , i'm going to but samsung galaxy note 4 and i want to know which is better version of the amazing note , Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 or
Exynos 5433? ​
thanks i advance
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910F , better ROMs, better compatibility and more widely used.
The exynos may have its advantages on paper but in real usage its down to what you can use and how it feels.
If it were me I'd get what I'd already have which is the 910F.
If I were buying a new phone now. It'd probably be the HTC M9.
shehaaaap said:
dude , if you can help me then answer , if not then please be silent
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Sorry but I have to agree, please use the search function and be respectful of other users. There are already multiple threads like this one, tbh do what the above person has suggested and get the M9 so we will have one less arrogant rude person in this section, cheers!

S7 Edge Rom Port for S6

Just wondering will a s7 rom be ported to the galaxy s6?
re: I dont see any reason to upgrade from s6 to s7
Wrong forum for this. Ask in the s6 section. Regardless though, considering they are totally different socs, and it's closed source, the odds of that are low.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/development/rom-sixperience-1-0-s7-edge-port-t3325879
Xileforce said:
Wrong forum for this. Ask in the s6 section. Regardless though, considering they are totally different socs, and it's closed source, the odds of that are low.
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International S7 isn't a completely different SOC, just the next generation.
Yes it is complete different we have m1 mongoose cores and kyro cores mate completely different to the arm cores
Beefheart said:
International S7 isn't a completely different SOC, just the next generation.
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Considering its got totally different core design and a new GPU among other other portions of the SOC. It doesn't really matter if it's only the next generation...it's still completely different. The "port" linked above isn't really a port. It's just the framework and apps copied over to the s6.

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