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I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
I'm going with the SD 600 because Qualcomm is very good at providing the source code for ROM development.
There really isn't going to be a huge difference in performance. The Exynos is slightly more powerful and comes with a Wolfson audio chip, but you're going to be limited to stock roms and incomplete AOSP roms until Samsung decides to release the source code. So if you plan to stay stock, get the Exynos. If you want AOSP roms, go with the Qualcomm.
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I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
Closed Source Project said:
I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
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What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
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What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
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The "Source Code" as he is talking about is for the exerynos chip sets. They are Closed Source Drivers that Samsung uses/makes. They have never released source code for the exerynos. So for developers who modify the operating system to use MAINLY AOSP type builds they have to basically create their own drivers to get them working partially and quite often they do not perform as well as some if the hardware when using a Samsung based ROM that they were made for. The exerynos is awesome but it frustrated MANY developers to not want to bother trying to get things working any longer for the phones with exerynos due to the lack of documentation of the drivers source code Samsung made. I am sure I am not totally correct here with some of the terms and it probably could be stated better. This is just my layman's take on the issue...
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
Anas553 said:
I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
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For now gaming would be better on exynos variant ,for development s600.
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Anas553 said:
Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
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Yes. It is one of the most powerful processors you can get now. For me though, the deciding factor between the two is battery life. If the BIG.LITRLE architecture works as promised and delivers amazing battery life while doing things like watching videos and browsing the Web, I9500 will be the one I'm aiming for.
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Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
I watched some video reviews as well and found out that these devices are pretty much equal in everyday performance. (opening apps and websites with maybe 1 second difference at most) The Nexus 4 stuck out a bit because unlike the S4 and S3 almost had no stuttering or dropped frames in the UI while even the S4 had a few.
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
Also I heard about the Snapdragon 800 and Nvidia Tegra 4 (maybe even the Exynos Dualcore of the Nexus 10 which is supposed to be released as Quadcore soon?) which are basically the next big thing when it comes to processors. I thought the S4 would make a HUGE jump (and the octacore version actually does) but it didn't. Now I wonder whether i should wait for the next generation of processors/smartphones. (I don't want to wait longer than Q4 2013)
I would appreciate your help a lot!
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Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
schnip said:
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
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Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
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Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
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Thank you for the informative post
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
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i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
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actually i dont disregard it. for me the screen is one of the few improvements that really have a noticeable effect on everyday performance. unfortunately it comes at a great cost when comparing 300€(S3) to 600€(S4). I think the S3 is far more worth than only 1/2 of an S4
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Ok thanks for the advice!
Edit: " get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos)"
As far as my research goes:
The exynos is the quadcore version whereas the snapdragon version of the S3 is dual core.
The quadcore version usually does not have 2GB ram but i found some spec sheets that had Quadcore + 2GB RAM (LTE version)
Id say better have quadcore instead of dualcore and 2GB ram right?
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Unfortunately i cant get the 2GB version with dualcore in Germany.
I can order
Exynos Quad 2GB RAM LTE and
Exynos Quad 1GB RAM no-LTE
I dont really need LTE but is the 1 GB of extra RAM worth the 50€? (apprx 65$)
schnip said:
basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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schnip said:
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
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A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
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You asked to be corrected on your statements in the OP and that's what I did. Either you misued the comparison symbols or you thought both the S3 and N4 do benchmarks better than the S4.
I did what you asked people to do and an insult is what I get in return?
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Ok
I've been debating with my self whether or not I should jump in and buy the note 10.1 2014 edition, but in my fact finding efforts certain questions arose ( with a lot of confusion)
1 Will HMP be available to the Exynos 5420 ? I keep finding information that goes both ways...yes...no...maybe
2 Does a root solution exist ( or is in works) that won't void warranty? (knox issues??)
3 Snapdragon or Exynos ( this brings me back to the HMP question!! IF HMP = yes well then Exynos, but...if not...?)
4 Any drawbacks when compared to comparable gen tablets? Lack of features, performance issues , instability etc?
I'm not doubting whether or not I want a pen enabled tablet, but with the new Nvidia pen enabled tablets in the works, samsung is losing it's unique position.
Now I know there are tons of posts all over the place that in essence answer a lot of the same points, but many of the threads go a bit back and forth and often misinformed on key issues...
Like Developer support for and against the Exynos vs Snapdragon etc And HMP support?
Now there is a small ticking clock attached to these questions, I've been offered a 17.5 % discount on the note ( LTE or wifi edition , my choice) But it expires on wednesday (30.okt)
Thanks in advance!!!
Cheers lads!
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
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Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
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But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
DeBoX said:
But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Yeah l heard that snapdragon is 20 + % faster gpu. So there's that
But I can't help wonder how HMP (if it's going to be available to the note) would impact the performance of both gpu and cpu (I know that I'm a bit of a broken record)
Didn't know about the root, good to know, but there isn't one ready for the note yet...?
Anyone done a battery comparison between the two SoC ?
Anyone found articles on HMP and note? Looking for solid proof
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
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As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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If I've understood it properly, the OS takes about 4-5 gigs ( note that's the OS and the apps that come with it etc) , so in essence you should have something like 10-12 gig of user available space.
I'de say go for the 32 gig variant.
Yes, you can always add micro SD cards etc, but most apps still don't like moving to ext storage, and in most cases they don't move all of the content but just part of it.
I won't be gaming a lot, but a few games that I do like , GTA 3 and GTA vice city er about 2 gig each ( give or take) so there goes the space, some documents here and there, and apps, and so on and so on...
Anyone know of any difference in lag between the Snapdragon and Exynos versions?
As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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Mandeep148 said:
As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
Mandeep148 said:
thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
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In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
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In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
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ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
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ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
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If you have used a Samsung phone in the past you will be accustomed to the lag and you'll enjoy the much improved Touchwiz.
I really hated it on the S3/N2, slightly disliked it on the S4/N3 but ended up liking the S5 version
Battery life and camera are really good.
Performance wise no games should lag or be a problem (only Xcom has managed to drop frames but it's the most demanding game right now).
Hope you enjoy your phone.
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First i bought the H version of the device. Was not happy with the lack of support from devs. Now i own the F version, and already have the wide range of custom FW available. So if you are the flashing geek, than definitely stick to the Snap device
I will buy a galaxy s7 edge next week, but for now in stores only the exynos version is available in my country. Is it a good soc? Or should I wait more for the snapdragon phone?
On my note 3 the exynos chip was considered pretty bad, on both performance and battery life.
Exynos = Better CPU, Battery drain mostly from radio cell.
Snapdragon = Better GPU. Battery drain mostly from Android system (not sure is it fix able by update. )
If you're that person that love installing AOSP ROM. Snapdragon is your choice.
bibiner said:
Exynos = Better CPU, Battery drain mostly from radio cell.
Snapdragon = Better GPU. Battery drain mostly from Android system (not sure is it fix able by update. )
If you're that person that love installing AOSP ROM. Snapdragon is your choice.
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I will definetly root, most likely on day one, but I doubt I will be using AOSP roms.
Gaming on a phone isn't for me as well, I have my iPad or ps4 for that.
So the exynos runs better for day to day tasks?
For day to day tasks, there's no difference
For me I would prefer SD, cuz the ROM, kernel and mod development is much much better and I'm a flashaholic but in Europe only the exynos is available. And I'm scared there won't be so much to flash\development...
Am I right? How was the ROMs, kernels ect. on s6 edge exynos? Will devs come support us?
lvnatic said:
I will definetly root, most likely on day one, but I doubt I will be using AOSP roms.
Gaming on a phone isn't for me as well, I have my iPad or ps4 for that.
So the exynos runs better for day to day tasks?
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According to tests i've seen, yes.
Thanks for the replies, I'm going with the exynos then and I will preorder it as well, so I can get that vr.
CuBz90 said:
According to tests i've seen, yes.
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These tests being?
If your in Europe then it's not worth the hassle to get the snapdragon version IMO. That being said, the snapdragon has the better GPU, modem, higher single threaded performance, and more than likely a better ISP, DSP, etc and other blocks of the SOC. The exynos will have better multithreaded performance, just due to the fact that it has 8 cores vs the snapdragons 4, even though per core the snapdragons are faster. Like others have said developement will be noticeably less on the exynos. You will still get custom Roms but I wouldn't expect cm or aosp within a year, or ever. In dqy to day performance I would expect the snapdragons 4 very fast cores to be more responsive than the 4 slow cores and 4 fast cores of the exynos, especially considering most of the normal ui is processed on the slow cores and has to migrate to the fast cores when it needs it.
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If your in Europe then it's not worth the hassle to get the snapdragon version IMO. That being said, the snapdragon has the better GPU, modem, higher single threaded performance, and more than likely a better ISP, DSP, etc and other blocks of the SOC. The exynos will have better multithreaded performance, just due to the fact that it has 8 cores vs the snapdragons 4, even though per core the snapdragons are faster. Like others have said developement will be noticeably less on the exynos. You will still get custom Roms but I wouldn't expect cm or aosp within a year, or ever. In dqy to day performance I would expect the snapdragons 4 very fast cores to be more responsive than the 4 slow cores and 4 fast cores of the exynos, especially considering most of the normal ui is processed on the slow cores and has to migrate to the fast cores when it needs it.
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What is your basis for these arguments? Seems like most people in this thread are just making stuff up without quoting any real-world tests. Even Anandtech stated that the SoCs are pretty much equal (as far as they currently know, and they have already written pretty extensively about both SoCs), and that efficiency is what is going to set them apart. I wouldn't draw any conclusions without actually reading a comprehensive comparison of the two.
I just pulled the trigger on an Exynos version, despite living in the U.S.
Reasons you might consider the Exynos over the SD820:
1) LTE Bands, the Exynos version has far more LTE Bands for use around the world. If you travel around a bit, then it makes a bit of sense to have a phone that can receive data, regardless of the network you're on.
2) Battery drain: it looks like both SoC's are plagued with one thing or another that saps battery life, but the SD820 has an alarming amount of drain from the Android system. It still has great SoT (screen on time), but it's still a worry nonetheless.
3) Carrier lock: If you find yourself on one network, then this shouldn't be an issue. But within the past 2 years, I have been on a AT&T, then a business T-Mobile line, then Google Fi, and now on an AT&T business line. If the phone locks to a carrier, then you might have to wait longer or pay to get it unlocked.. which can be a drag.
That being said, I'm sure the development for the SD820 version will be immense. However, I'm coming from a Nexus 6P, and feel like the stock S7E ROM performs so well, that I won't need to root or anything. Android has reached a level of smoothness that was not found on earlier versions, especially in tandem with TouchWiz of old (older Notes and S phones were laggy, really). So stock ROM with the ability to use Android Pay/Samsung Pay will be nice.
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I just pre ordered the UK S7 Edge, hoping it'll be Exynos.
In the benchmark thread people are getting virtually identical Antutu scores across chips. It looks like the Snapdragon is throttling earlier than the Exynos though, they always have ran hotter.
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These tests being?
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In singel core performance, the SD is a few % better. But in multi core, the exynos is about 20% ahead. So it does seem to run better with the CPU. Also it seems to run cooler, so throttling should be better.
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In singel core performance, the SD is a few % better. But in multi core, the exynos is about 20% ahead. So it does seem to run better with the CPU. Also it seems to run cooler, so throttling should be better.
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We need someone to run consecutive 3dmark runs on the exynos in order to know whether the gpu throttles or not, and if so after how many runs. We already know neither will throttle the cpu in geekbench, but the SD820 throttles the gpu a bit after two 3dmark runs.
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We need someone to run consecutive 3dmark runs on the exynos in order to know whether the gpu throttles or not, and if so after how many runs. We already know neither will throttle the cpu in geekbench, but the SD820 throttles the gpu a bit after two 3dmark runs.
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Yes we should await further testing. Since the SD is released in America for some already, the benchmarks for exynos are hard to find.
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What is your basis for these arguments? Seems like most people in this thread are just making stuff up without quoting any real-world tests. Even Anandtech stated that the SoCs are pretty much equal (as far as they currently know, and they have already written pretty extensively about both SoCs), and that efficiency is what is going to set them apart. I wouldn't draw any conclusions without actually reading a comprehensive comparison of the two.
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I'm pulling this from past experience with exynos 7420 kernel development, and every article ive read on the 820 and the exynos 8890, in addition to benchmarks on both and my own device. Qualcomm leads the world in modem technology. The one in the 820 supposedly has achieved parity with wifi. In addition we have the hexagon DSP and spectra ISP all of which can operate in a sort of HMP configuration to accelerate tasks. I would find it hard to believe that Samsung has caught up to qcom in these misc blocks of the SOC. But that's why I said most likely for that portion as I'm just making an educated guess. Single threaded performance is quantifiably higher on the snapdragon, all the benchmarks shows this, just as they show that the 8 core exynos scores higher in multithreaded scenarios. The rest about development etc is because Samsung doesn't release the proprietary hardware blobs we need to get a proper aosp/cm port working. Meaning we have to write them from scratch which takes forever. Qcom has always provided these in the past. The GPU also performs better in benchmarks, whether there's a noticeable difference in real life remains to be seen, still from all evidence the snapdragon beats out the exynos GPU. And my experience with the 7420 taught me that the small cores can have trouble keeping the ui smooth at all times, and we see the same cluster again on the exynos, only on a slightly improved node. Hopefully this explains the logic behind my post better.
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I'm pulling this from past experience with exynos 7420 kernel development, and every article ive read on the 820 and the exynos 8890, in addition to benchmarks on both and my own device. Qualcomm leads the world in modem technology. The one in the 820 supposedly has achieved parity with wifi. In addition we have the hexagon DSP and spectra ISP all of which can operate in a sort of HMP configuration to accelerate tasks. I would find it hard to believe that Samsung has caught up to qcom in these misc blocks of the SOC. But that's why I said most likely for that portion as I'm just making an educated guess. Single threaded performance is quantifiably higher on the snapdragon, all the benchmarks shows this, just as they show that the 8 core exynos scores higher in multithreaded scenarios. The rest about development etc is because Samsung doesn't release the proprietary hardware blobs we need to get a proper aosp/cm port working. Meaning we have to write them from scratch which takes forever. Qcom has always provided these in the past. The GPU also performs better in benchmarks, whether there's a noticeable difference in real life remains to be seen, still from all evidence the snapdragon beats out the exynos GPU. And my experience with the 7420 taught me that the small cores can have trouble keeping the ui smooth at all times, and we see the same cluster again on the exynos, only on a slightly improved node. Hopefully this explains the logic behind my post better.
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Could very well be that the sd820 endas up faster than the exynos 8890 in day to day tasks, but the sd820 seems to be using a lot of mW in comparison to other SoCs(check anandtech's look at the mi-5). Its single thread performance is better, but on average there's only a 10% difference and the exynos is clocked lower than reference (2.7ghz and 2.4ghz). Both modems achieve the same speeds so the only thing that is going to matter in the end is efficiency. Still need to take a look at the GPU throttling on the 8890, as we only know the sd820 GPU throttles at this point in time. Personally I would have preferred the sd820, but if the 8899 brings better battery and better audio quality the difference in performance is worth it. Looking forward to anandtech's in-depth comparison! Don't really get why we haven't seen any reviews yet even though people have the phones already.
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Could very well be that the sd820 endas up faster than the exynos 8890 in day to day tasks, but the sd820 seems to be using a lot of mW in comparison to other SoCs(check anandtech's look at the mi-5). Its single thread performance is better, but on average there's only a 10% difference and the exynos is clocked lower than reference (2.7ghz and 2.4ghz). Both modems achieve the same speeds so the only thing that is going to matter in the end is efficiency. Still need to take a look at the GPU throttling on the 8890, as we only know the sd820 GPU throttles at this point in time. Personally I would have preferred the sd820, but if the 8899 brings better battery and better audio quality the difference in performance is worth it. Looking forward to anandtech's in-depth comparison! Don't really get why we haven't seen any reviews yet even though people have the phones already.
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Also awaiting the deep dive on both. Keep in mind though, that 2 of the 820s cores are clocked at 1.6 and have less l2cache to save power, and 2 of them are at 2.2ghz, so clock for clock they have very high performance. As for the power draw comparison, it was only an estimate to begin with, and ones got 4 little and 4 small and if it was only using the 4 small during the test that alone would be a noticeable power draw difference. It gets pretty complex with these big.little setups. I've also noticed the snapdragon version has a pretty high load average which should be able to get lowered with some modifications to the kernel.
AhsanU said:
I just pulled the trigger on an Exynos version, despite living in the U.S.
Reasons you might consider the Exynos over the SD820:
1) LTE Bands, the Exynos version has far more LTE Bands for use around the world. If you travel around a bit, then it makes a bit of sense to have a phone that can receive data, regardless of the network you're on.
2) Battery drain: it looks like both SoC's are plagued with one thing or another that saps battery life, but the SD820 has an alarming amount of drain from the Android system. It still has great SoT (screen on time), but it's still a worry nonetheless.
3) Carrier lock: If you find yourself on one network, then this shouldn't be an issue. But within the past 2 years, I have been on a AT&T, then a business T-Mobile line, then Google Fi, and now on an AT&T business line. If the phone locks to a carrier, then you might have to wait longer or pay to get it unlocked.. which can be a drag.
That being said, I'm sure the development for the SD820 version will be immense. However, I'm coming from a Nexus 6P, and feel like the stock S7E ROM performs so well, that I won't need to root or anything. Android has reached a level of smoothness that was not found on earlier versions, especially in tandem with TouchWiz of old (older Notes and S phones were laggy, really). So stock ROM with the ability to use Android Pay/Samsung Pay will be nice.
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Yup my SD820 is running full on SPay, Bluetooth, WIFI, NFC, Always On Display all without power saving mode and I get 8h SOT in 24h. Listening to a few posts of people beginning to learn the phones quirks within the first few days is not evidence of anything other than the phone being broken in. Spreading information like this gets people buying devices for unsubstantiated reasons. Please provide evidence if you're going to post stuff like this. You guys are just starting an echo chamber quoting each other with no evidence supporting your rumors.
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Yup my SD820 is running full on SPay, Bluetooth, WIFI, NFC, Always On Display all without power saving mode and I get 8h SOT in 24h. Listening to a few posts of people beginning to learn the phones quirks within the first few days is not evidence of anything other than the phone being broken in. Spreading information like this gets people buying devices for unsubstantiated reasons. Please provide evidence if you're going to post stuff like this. You guys are just starting an echo chamber quoting each other with no evidence supporting your rumors.
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I never believe people when they say they get 8 hours of screen on time.
And if you read my post carefully, you'll see the fact that I stated the SD820 still has great SoT, but just that there are issues with the Android system draining an alarming amount of battery percentage. This is not some baseless claim, there are multiple posts in the battery life thread showing the android system taking up 35%< of the battery.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3321547
In case you were wondering which thread.
Again, it's just a strange thing that can maybe be fixed by a software update.
And while we're at it, how about you show screenshots of your supposed 8 hours of SoT?
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