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This is a big concern of mine. I love the specs of the n1 but I've read that nothing can be seen on the screen in direct sunlight. I'd buy an HTC HD2 because I can even read books in sunlight with it but they stick with the win mobile and I like to have an android phone. So what do you say about n1 screen quality in comparison to the htc hd2 screen?
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This is a big concern of mine. I love the specs of the n1 but I've read that nothing can be seen on the screen in direct sun light. I'd buy an HTC HD2 because I can even read books in sunlight with it but they stick with the win mobile and I like to have an android phone. So what do you say about n1 screen quality?
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The only people who say this are people who don't know how to use the phone. Basically there is an automatic brightness option that changes the brightness based on how bright it is around the phone. Unfortunately, it seems like this feature always keeps the screen fairly dim, so I don't like it.
I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
People who say the screen doesn't work in sunlight don't know how to disable this feature (ie don't know how to use Android / change simple settings).
Paul22000 said:
I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
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I've seen an app on an htc hd2 that changes the brightness automatically but one can adjust the brightness for specific surround conditions (i.e it looks like a graphical equalizer). I do not own the phone but I was told that this app works quite good. Is there something similar for the n1?
I can attest the screen pretty much sucks in sunligh at full brightness. The beaming sun in south florida is relentless.
Yeah, the N1 is hard to read in the bright sun and its not just pooping on stupid people that dont understand computerz or a simple setting that fixes it, it just gives glare in the sun.
Most phones/screens, regardless of their technology, are difficult to see in direct sunlight. But then, why are you trying to read the screen in direct sunlight? Just turn the other way, or shield it with your hand. Not that hard to figure out, really.
I use the automatic light sensor all the time. The only time is gets confused is is in a dim room, bright source (window, lamp) directly in front of the sensor. You have to realize what the sensor is seeing. Often times it's seeing light reflected off your face, hence the up/down/up/down of the screen brightness.
I honestly don't see either as issues with the phone, but the users rather.
I've had no problems using my Nexus One in direct sunlight.
Raymond77 said:
I've had no problems using my Nexus One in direct sunlight.
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really? i will be honest, i cannot see **** in direct sunlight unless i have the brightness all the way up... and that screen on full brightness is a battery hog...
I have no major probs with mine in direct sunlight, it's not that much different to the G1. I'm sure there are phones with better screens for direct sunlight but it's far from unusable.
The auto brightness feature works fine, you just have to wait a couple of seconds for it to adjust. Only people who don't know how to use the phone disable it and waste all their battery.
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really? i will be honest, i cannot see **** in direct sunlight unless i have the brightness all the way up... and that screen on full brightness is a battery hog...
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Really. I usually leave the screen set to auto, on the odd occasion I've had to turn it up to the brightest setting, but as the last poster said usually it'll catch up and turn the brightness up itself.
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I have no major probs with mine in direct sunlight, it's not that much different to the G1. I'm sure there are phones with better screens for direct sunlight but it's far from unusable.
The auto brightness feature works fine, you just have to wait a couple of seconds for it to adjust. Only people who don't know how to use the phone disable it and waste all their battery.
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Or people who don't have any problem with the battery? With my use the battery lasts for 20+ hours, which is more than enough time for me to get to a charger again.
I always have the brightness at max and have had it that way for all the phones I've had (where you can set the brightness). If I'm gonna be more than a day without charging it I'll of course turn it down, but it's far from a neccesity for day to day use.
Just checked my phone and it's been off the charger for 16 hours and I still have 53% left on the battery.
Brightness in the direct Thai sunlight is fully adequate. The only problem I've had is that in direct sunlight, everything else is well lit, and so reflects off the screen.
Brightness: no problem
Reflection off the screen: annoying.
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The only people who say this are people who don't know how to use the phone. Basically there is an automatic brightness option that changes the brightness based on how bright it is around the phone. Unfortunately, it seems like this feature always keeps the screen fairly dim, so I don't like it.
I have this feature disabled at all times and keep my phone at maximum brightness. It looks perfectly fine in sunlight.
People who say the screen doesn't work in sunlight don't know how to disable this feature (ie don't know how to use Android / change simple settings).
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False. I know this phone well and disabled the auto brightness within 20 minutes of owning the phone. As much as I love my N1, and would not trade it for any phone, the amazing OMLED screen is one of the worst screens I've used as far as clarity in direct sunlight. This is not an N1 problem, but a problem with OLED screens in general. Assuming the new iPhone that should be released in June will have an OLED screen, it will have the same problem in direct sunlight.
You can buy anti-glare screen protectors that help this problem, but you do sacrifice some of the stunning brightness and clarity of the N1 screen in regular viewing conditions.
There is no way I would trade the N1 screen for the likes of the iPhone screen as the benefits of the OLED screen in non-direct sunlight viewing far outweighs the difficulty seeing the screen in direct sunlight. In fact, the N1 screen is probably its most impressive feature (aside from its blazing speed).
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the amazing OMLED screen is one of the worst screens I've used as far as clarity in direct sunlight. This is not an N1 problem, but a problem with OLED screens in general. Assuming the new iPhone that should be released in June will have an OLED screen, it will have the same problem in direct sunlight.
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of cause this is the n1 problem and yours in the end! How are you suppose to take pictures with the n1 if you see nothing on the screen? How you suppose to dial a number if you see nothing on the screen? Saying this is not the phone to blame but the screen manufacturing process sounds stupid to me.
I have never in my life encountered an electronic device with a screen that was perfectly readable in direct sunlight, that is to say, as readable as indoors (not even my laptop plugged in the mains and set to full brightness). Reason: no screen technology can provide as much brightness as the sun. Solution: accept it, and cover the screen with one hand while you use the device with the other....
NB2 said:
of cause this is the n1 problem and yours in the end! How are you suppose to take pictures with the n1 if you see nothing on the screen? How you suppose to dial a number if you see nothing on the screen? Saying this is not the phone to blame but the screen manufacturing process sounds stupid to me.
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take pictures: look over the device and hit the shutter button..
input: open you jacket and form the number while providing shadow with it, or provide shadow with one hand while forming the number with the other. It's a fact that you need to accept, period.
Video sunlight test
Here is a video I found, it basically compares the N1's screen in sunlight to the Droid's screen at three different brightness levels. Enjoy.
youtube. com/watch?v=YwyJq6oF4wE
note, since I'm new I can't post links... just remove the space
The screen is really nice in normal light but yeah it sucks in the sunlight LOL Probably depends where you live but in sunny South Florida it's a pain sometimes. Doesn't matter which direction you turn definitely have to shield it with your hand and it's still pretty hard to read. I'm looking into getting an anti glare screen protector for it to see how that helps. The display is absolutely beautiful but i'm starting to think maybe oled isn't the best technology for cell phone screens
Oled
The main difference between the screen technology in the N1 and most other phones is that on the N1, as I understand it, each pixel emits its own light (OLED = Organic Light Emitting Diode) as opposed to a 'liquid' film lighted from the back (LCD = Liquid Crystal Display). The only technology that I know of that will work well in direct sunlight is e-ink.
It is not likely that a pixel or a backlight could ever reasonably compete with direct sunlight, but on an LCD screen it is possible for the sunlight to reflect off the back layer or to hold the device is a certain angle to 'perhap's see the image better in sunlight then on the OLED type display.
However, having the N1 myself, I have found that I am able to shade the display in full Southern California Sunlight well enough to function with the device. The OLED display is much too gorgious to give up for LCD in my opinion.
I am currently using Galaxy Nexus, its screen brightness is kind of average nowadays.... Just OK indoors and barely visible outdoors (but feels fine to me)
I tried to switch to Galaxy Note II last fall but hated its screen low brightness, it felt for me like a mirror, reflecting all that light from lamps indoors. Also, I hated fingerprints on it which were visible with the screen on.
I have just read a lot of reviews about SGS 4, that the screen brightness is even lower and it is impossible to see anything outdoors and perhaps it has the same problems of reflecting lights that I hated with Note 2.
Sorry for my English, I hope you understand what I mean
Was already prepared to buy SGS 4 Nexus edition but now I am really concerned about the screen
Probably going to wait for the next motorola devices
There are brighter screens out there but it's a lot better than some say. Unfortunately the auto brightness doesn't work too well which effects some people's opinion a little too easily I suspect despite the fact it's a software issue which will undoubtedly be improved.
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Just bought my Moto X from motomaker, made an order on thursday and received it this morning - so fast (St Louis, MO)!
So my main concert is the screen brightness. Even my Galaxy Nexus was not the brightest phone that I ever had, but Moto X screen is even dimmier. It is probably the same screen that was used at Galaxy Note 2 except being smaller. That screen was dim as well. That causes the display to be reflective to lamps and sun which annoys me.
Second thing that I did not like so far, is, surprise, the phone's shape which everybody likes. For me the edges are too sharp, maybe I just have too big hand.
Camera is a little bit better than Galaxy Nexus camera, for me the quality of it is ok so far.
But active notifications rock.
Do you know if it will be possible to increase the brightness somehow?
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Just bought my Moto X from motomaker, made an order on thursday and received it this morning - so fast (St Louis, MO)!
So my main concert is the screen brightness. Even my Galaxy Nexus was not the brightest phone that I ever had, but Moto X screen is even dimmier. It is probably the same screen that was used at Galaxy Note 2 except being smaller. That screen was dim as well. That causes the display to be reflective to lamps and sun which annoys me.
Second thing that I did not like so far, is, surprise, the phone's shape which everybody likes. For me the edges are too sharp, maybe I just have too big hand.
Camera is a little bit better than Galaxy Nexus camera, for me the quality of it is ok so far.
But active notifications rock.
Do you know if it will be possible to increase the brightness somehow?
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I don't find the brightness to be an issue, even turned all the way down - any chance you can go to a retailer and check to see how the brightness compares on one of their floor models? It seems like that could be a defect, rather than working as intended.
I don't know the Max brightness is fine for me. I actually wish the brightness went Lower. That is really not that big of a problem. As for the camera I don't know what all the criticism is about. The low light could be better but I think the regular shots are very good
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Eh, depending on the kernel drivers maybe increasing the brightness is possible. But I doubt it. I think its happened before on other devices, but usually LCD screens. This is amoled so I bet it won't happen.
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I don't find the brightness to be an issue, even turned all the way down - any chance you can go to a retailer and check to see how the brightness compares on one of their floor models? It seems like that could be a defect, rather than working as intended.
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2nd, i find it quite bright. In most cases i have it set pretty dim. I'd compare in store.
That's AMOLED for you. I had 2x GNEX and both had different brightness and colour. One had to be 55% to be equivalent to the other at 30%.
If you think it is too dim, you are probably right. Just exchange it.
RogerPodacter said:
Eh, depending on the kernel drivers maybe increasing the brightness is possible. But I doubt it. I think its happened before on other devices, but usually LCD screens. This is amoled so I bet it won't happen.
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My Gnex with Faux kernel can be set to a ridiculously bright setting through rgb and gamma. Then you have active display/screen mode on the other Galaxy devices so it's possible.
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May just be defective. I leave my screen around 40 percent and it's more than bright enough even in sunlight.
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KNiGHTx4 said:
I don't know the Max brightness is fine for me. I actually wish the brightness went Lower. That is really not that big of a problem. As for the camera I don't know what all the criticism is about. The low light could be better but I think the regular shots are very good
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I find the camera to be inconsistent. Some photos look great and others look like they have a gray haze over them. I think it just has issues with white balance, really. Because of that, in outdoor sunlight photos look pretty good, but with LED lighting, or CFL lighting, they look washed out.
Hopefully the new update makes it more consistent.
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How pure is this Moto X android in comparison with the GS4, HTC One, Xperia Z
You know the pure android.
How much is this android distant with the "pure edition"? (Manufacturer bloatware (except for google))
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Lemme go a lil' offtopic
How pure is this Moto X android in comparison with the GS4, HTC One, Xperia Z
You know the pure android.
How much is this android distant with the "pure edition"? (Manufacturer bloatware (except for google))
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According to the reviews I've read on Android Central by Phil and Jerry, it is stock Android with a couple of added features that are beneficial rather than gimmicky. The skin looks like vanilla Android, whereas TouchWiz, Sense, etc. use difference icons, different menus, OEM-specific apps (like Samsung's S Voice, for example), etc. The Moto X seems to be stock Android 4.2 with a transparent navigation bar, active notifications, and the Motorola app to connect the phone to the computer (so you can get incoming texts, etc. on your desktop).
AnMotass said:
Lemme go a lil' offtopic
How pure is this Moto X android in comparison with the GS4, HTC One, Xperia Z
You know the pure android.
How much is this android distant with the "pure edition"? (Manufacturer bloatware (except for google))
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It has a very pure Android feel. As mentioned above, there are just a couple nice additions. The active notifications really should be included on all smart phones.
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DarkVasyaK said:
Just bought my Moto X from motomaker, made an order on thursday and received it this morning - so fast (St Louis, MO)!
So my main concert is the screen brightness. Even my Galaxy Nexus was not the brightest phone that I ever had, but Moto X screen is even dimmier. It is probably the same screen that was used at Galaxy Note 2 except being smaller. That screen was dim as well. That causes the display to be reflective to lamps and sun which annoys me.
Second thing that I did not like so far, is, surprise, the phone's shape which everybody likes. For me the edges are too sharp, maybe I just have too big hand.
Camera is a little bit better than Galaxy Nexus camera, for me the quality of it is ok so far.
But active notifications rock.
Do you know if it will be possible to increase the brightness somehow?
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I completely agree with the edges but I also agree it is because you have big hands. I was dropping the phone all the time because of its size. I got this case that fits nice is a little bit thicker and looks pretty nice. I actually only got the case because I wanted a little but more grip on the phone with these shaq like hands I have.
http://www.qmadix.com/covers-cases/s-series-cover-motorola-moto-x-rdblk.asp
I can post/send you some real pictures later if you would like.
Ok you know how people compare screens. Resolutions and legibility. Especifically when comparing screens, they say they can hardly tell the difference. One comparison pits the G4 against the Nexus 6. Well I have both and can tell you that perhaps inside the screens are similar enough. But dude! Outside I have to shade the Nexus 6 and just about every phone or tablet (except the Notion Adam with pixel qi screen) and still cant hardly read the screen. The G4 on the other hand is almost amazing how freaking clearly you can read and see stuff. And it doesn't have to wash out the colors (much YMMV that sun!)..
What's your experiences been?
I agree. Have the N5, N6, & S6. The G4 is the best in the sun edging out the S6. The N5 would be next and in a very distant last is the N6. I love my Nexus's but the N6 outdoor legibility is abysmal.
I still prefer my G2 screen in the direct sun. barely had an issue, never knew using a phone in direct sunlight could be a problem until i used the G4... maybe I'm still nostalgic of leaving my old phone go?
why can't i just have my old G2 battery from jelly bean with a new cameras and stock android ?
I've read complaints about the G4's screen in direct sunlight. I think it's superb!
I owed both S6 and G4 and I think he S6 is far more superior in direct sunlight then the G4.
S6 gets brighter then the G4 point blank. S6 gets up to 700 nits while the G4 struggles at 460.
Anyone who says G4 is brighter than the S6 in direct sunlight its straight up lying or actually never had a S6
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I owed both S6 and G4 and I think he S6 is far more superior in direct sunlight then the G4.
S6 gets brighter then the G4 point blank. S6 gets up to 700 nits while the G4 struggles at 460.
Anyone who says G4 is brighter than the S6 in direct sunlight its straight up lying or actually never had a S6
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Same here. I even picked up another G4 the other day and went back to my S6 for the last time (got a great deal on another). The S6 screen is far better in direct sunlight and in the dark.
I have no reading issues. I'm happy.
My only comparison point is the M7, which was a complete wash for me.
I've had all the major flagship and the best in direct sunlight are the s6 edge and the g4. But the g4 struggles while the s6 doesn't
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I've had all the major flagship and the best in direct sunlight are the s6 edge and the g4. But the g4 struggles while the s6 doesn't
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Yeah I came from the S6 and what I've seenin earlier reviews are "G4 isn't that great in direct sun...yet there's plenty of good reports on it right here. As for the S6, i think it performed superbly in direct sun when adjusted.
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I've had all the major flagship and the best in direct sunlight are the s6 edge and the g4. But the g4 struggles while the s6 doesn't
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Ever tried a 808 ?
Just back from sunny Spain and I thought the G4 was excellent outside. Thing is though, I possibly shouldn't have been using it drunk while around the pool as it slipped onto the tiles and chipped a corner a little lol. Still worked perfectly though after it and I continued my drunken antics
I was at the beach on sunday and i had no problem with it in the sun. I do have a skinomi glass protector that is polarized on it so it may help with that some. I kept it on 90% brightness when using so it would not get to hot
Yes it very well for direct sunlight, the g4, but it's so annoying when it gets all gray and faded out colors when in direct sunlight
"The Galaxy Note 7 provides many major and important state-of-the-art display enhancements, with mobile OLED display technology now advancing faster than ever," Soneira said. "The Galaxy Note 7 is the most innovative and high-performance smartphone display that we have ever tested."
CNET: http://bit.ly/2bczClL
Displaymate :http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note7_ShootOut_1.htm
I thought it was the exact same screen as the S7 Edge. Am I wrong? Also, Sony came out with a 4K screen; that's better than the N7 screen, right? Not arguing, just trying to understand.
rile1564 said:
I thought it was the exact same screen as the S7 Edge. Am I wrong? Also, Sony came out with a 4K screen; that's better than the N7 screen, right? Not arguing, just trying to understand.
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No, it isn't the same screen at all.
Resolution isn't everything. No human is able to discern the difference between 4K and 1440p on a display of this size at the distance we use phones from, so that's just marketing fluff. Subpixel rendering (as found on the N7) is also a pretty big improvement over most (but not all) competitors' screens.
Read through the article - I know it's long, but it'll make things very clear as to why some screens are better than others, and specifically why the N7's screen is better than the S7E's.
All you need to do is look at the two together in direct sunlight and you can see they are not the same screen. My son has my old GS6, and he was struggling in Pokemon Go yesterday, but my Note 7 may as well have been indoors it was so bright. Comparing the GS7E to the Note 7, just from a laymans view, the GN7 is clearly brighter as well in direct light, goes dimmer in the dark while maintaining readability, and the new dual ambient sensors change the brightness nearly instantaneously. The blue light filter is a nice touch as well, although I am not sure I will keep using it.
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I thought it was the exact same screen as the S7 Edge. Am I wrong? Also, Sony came out with a 4K screen; that's better than the N7 screen, right? Not arguing, just trying to understand.
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nope not the same as the s7 edge screen.
I got both phone and as soon as i tunr on the note 7 i could tell.
The screen is very nice. Clear and bright. I am sure its the best samsung cellphone screen that is out todate.
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All you need to do is look at the two together in direct sunlight and you can see they are not the same screen. My son has my old GS6, and he was struggling in Pokemon Go yesterday, but my Note 7 may as well have been indoors it was so bright. Comparing the GS7E to the Note 7, just from a laymans view, the GN7 is clearly brighter as well in direct light, goes dimmer in the dark while maintaining readability, and the new dual ambient sensors change the brightness nearly instantaneously. The blue light filter is a nice touch as well, although I am not sure I will keep using it.
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I've noticed that the dual ambient light sensor makes for very accurate and fast brightness changes, too. On every other phone I've owned I've had to install Lux... but Samsung duplicated most of its functionality, and upgraded the hardware to make it even more accurate.