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I've just got a new S2. I thought my Desire was good but this is fantastic.
However an iPhone-owning friend took a look and said "the screen's not very white is it?" I compared it to his and he was right - very grey. But the brightness was set to auto, so I turned it up and it was a lot whiter. But then he said "it's very green". And there is a greenish tint.
So I compared it two two other (about 3 months old) S2s that people have at work (using the *#0*# tests).
And my screen is definitely inferior: less white and more off-colour. Yes I did check that the screen modes were the same (eg standard/dynamic/movie) and that the brightnesses were the same. None of the phones had screen protectors on.
I know sometimes there are differences in screens, often because they're sourced from more than one manufacturer. But I thought Samsung made these screens?
So in essence, the screen on my phone seems to be worse than others, and markedly less good than my pal's iphone - for which I will get no end of ribbing!
Is this a common trait? Am I seeing things? Should I return it?
Love the phone otherwise. FYI it's brand new on Virgin Mobile in the UK and is running 2.3.4.
astromark said:
I've just got a new S2. I thought my Desire was good but this is fantastic.
However an iPhone-owning friend took a look and said "the screen's not very white is it?" I compared it to his and he was right - very grey. But the brightness was set to auto, so I turned it up and it was a lot whiter. But then he said "it's very green". And there is a greenish tint.
So I compared it two two other (about 3 months old) S2s that people have at work (using the *#0*# tests).
And my screen is definitely inferior: less white and more off-colour. Yes I did check that the screen modes were the same (eg standard/dynamic/movie) and that the brightnesses were the same. None of the phones had screen protectors on.
I know sometimes there are differences in screens, often because they're sourced from more than one manufacturer. But I thought Samsung made these screens?
So in essence, the screen on my phone seems to be worse than others, and markedly less good than my pal's iphone - for which I will get no end of ribbing!
Is this a common trait? Am I seeing things? Should I return it?
Love the phone otherwise. FYI it's brand new on Virgin Mobile in the UK and is running 2.3.4.
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Try updating to one of the 2.3.5 based roms and I would definitely recommend trying out supercurio's "Voodoo Screen" app from the market(combine this with the movie preset found in settings->display->screen mode) as well. Just compared my SGS2 to an iPhone 4S and I'm really glad I didn't make the switch, as while the latter does have an edge when it comes to screen resolution, the former more than makes up for it with its 4.3 inch super amoled plus display. The iPhone's browser was a little bit faster, and the camera better, but I still I preferred the SGS2. Once it gets ICS it'll be absolutely amazing.
No don't set the screen to the movie preset AND use Supercurio's app at the same time !
But You'r right set it to the movie preset the screen will be more color-respective
Supercurio's app is great although still in progress. I'm also used Screen Adjuster to compensate for the greenish hue (red is set to +2 and blue to +5.
I ran into another application yesterday here on xda that let's you adjust sharpness and hue... let me see if I can find it again.
Edit: this app. Haven't tried it yet. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366280
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No don't set the screen to the movie preset AND use Supercurio's app at the same time !
But You'r right set it to the movie preset the screen will be more color-respective
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Why not? Looks a lot better than it does on standard.
You have to understand that the screen technologies used in each phone is different.
The iPhone uses an IPS screen.
The Galaxy S II uses a Super AMOLED Plus screen. It's not very good at handling whites, but it has the advantage that it doesnt need any power to show black pixels (unlike the iPhone), so its more black and more efficient at showing blacks.
Great replies, thanks all.
Since posting stijnr, I've got Screen Adjuster on, and interestingly my settings aren't a million miles from yours, red +4, blue +6. One thing I do miss from the Desire is the optical track button - I'm finding adjusting things that need a little bit of input to be quite tricky on the touchscreen.
Toss3 you made me laugh, not intentionally I'm sure! I will flash a new rom at some point - god knows how many I got through on the Desire - but I will spend a few weeks appreciating this stock ROM! Best thing about Virgin Mobile is it's non-branded and as Samsung shipped it. Not even any logos on the case.
Good point kwazi on the different screen technologies. But that doesn't explain different S2s having different display characteristics. Anyway I'd rather have this larger screen - the iphone screen may be beautiful but it looks very... small these days for what is a premium handset.
I'll check out some other S2s in stores in the next couple of days. If this is what they're shipping I'll live with it. If it's a 50/50 chance of the other screen I might try my luck.
Most of the viewing on our smartphones involves looking at whites, webpages for example, NOT blacks. And the Iphone 4 displays superior whites than the Galaxy s II.
I've gotten to the point where I think I would be happier with an regular lcd screen.
While the tech is nice in Super Amoled Plus, the quality and consistency of the display that's being manufactured is all over the place.
astromark said:
I've just got a new S2. I thought my Desire was good but this is fantastic.
However an iPhone-owning friend took a look and said "the screen's not very white is it?" I compared it to his and he was right - very grey. But the brightness was set to auto, so I turned it up and it was a lot whiter. But then he said "it's very green". And there is a greenish tint.
So I compared it two two other (about 3 months old) S2s that people have at work (using the *#0*# tests).
And my screen is definitely inferior: less white and more off-colour. Yes I did check that the screen modes were the same (eg standard/dynamic/movie) and that the brightnesses were the same. None of the phones had screen protectors on.
I know sometimes there are differences in screens, often because they're sourced from more than one manufacturer. But I thought Samsung made these screens?
So in essence, the screen on my phone seems to be worse than others, and markedly less good than my pal's iphone - for which I will get no end of ribbing!
Is this a common trait? Am I seeing things? Should I return it?
Love the phone otherwise. FYI it's brand new on Virgin Mobile in the UK and is running 2.3.4.
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You're comparing apples to oranges here. iPhone uses IPS technology, while Galaxy S 2 uses SAMOLED +. You're going to see differrnces between them. Personally, I wouldn't worry about the differences, or even see them as drawbacks; as each display has it's strengths and weaknesses. Industry standard resolution for most smartphones is 800x480, which is quite good on a screen size of 4" or larger.
Next time your friend pokes you about your display, remind him that his iPhone is still 3g device.
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You're comparing apples to oranges here.
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no, he's comparing apples and desserts, not oranges!
I compared SGS and SGSII with auto brightness and manual lowest setting.
SGS brightness with auto or lowest setting is at cca 50% brightness level on SGSII, I think Samsung sets brightness range quite down for saving battery life and users dont have to use Screen Filter app in the night
But imho auto brightness is low for me - at the edge of usability.
I remember when I first got this phone about 10 months ago, the greenish/blueish tint was so very much visible on the screen. Even when the screen is off, I can see a shade of blue on the reflection of the screen. But then it gradually "wear off" until the green tint disappear completely after about a week later. I don't know if it really disappear or just me being used to it. Or maybe after I update it to 2.3.4, 2.3.5, 2.3.6, I just can't tell. But I certainly feel it's not there anymore.
Hi guys!
First off I wanna say I love my Note!! I have the Korea version as well.
Anyway, I still have my Galaxy S I which I ended the contract to get a Note.
I have to say as far as the "blacks" are concerned, the Galaxy S I wins hands down and also the text/color is sharper and even brighter than the Note.
I tried to take side by side photos but this was the best I could do to show the difference. Both phones are at max. brightness
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/img0005ib.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/img0006pq.jpg/
The pics do not do justice. In person there is a real difference. Even the capacitive lights on the bottom are brighter and whiter.
Not a big deal though when my Gaalaxy S isnt being compared to the Note. Just bothers me a bit personally
Thanks!!
Its becoz of the resolution . Galaxy Has 480 x 800 and in Note 1280 x 800, their is a lot of difference in these too models. anyway Supercurio is working on color issues on Note. lets Hope for better result.
Display issue Thread by Supercurio.. here is the link .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430847
After installing Screen Adjuster free from the market ..I just upped the red a fraction [+3] to get rid of the slightest green tinge to my screen.
Then installed Voodoo Screen from the Market and set it to Native Mode... this has fixed 90% of the banding issue on my Note.
Now the screen is beautiful and can hardly fault it.
cybermessiah said:
After installing Screen Adjuster free from the market ..I just upped the red a fraction [+3] to get rid of the slightest green tinge to my screen.
Then installed Voodoo Screen from the Market and set it to Native Mode... this has fixed 90% of the banding issue on my Note.
Now the screen is beautiful and can hardly fault it.
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Was the app called "Voodoo Screen Tuning R/D" ?
I downloaded it from market but get a message saying it doesnt support my model.
I have a Korean Note
What did u turn red upto perhaps a screen shot of your settings if u could pls
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Aaaargh it requires root. Im n00b and dont want to do that i n the first month :/
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You can turn it on and off
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markmessier8888 said:
Hi guys!
First off I wanna say I love my Note!! I have the Korea version as well.
Anyway, I still have my Galaxy S I which I ended the contract to get a Note.
I have to say as far as the "blacks" are concerned, the Galaxy S I wins hands down and also the text/color is sharper and even brighter than the Note.
I tried to take side by side photos but this was the best I could do to show the difference. Both phones are at max. brightness
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/img0005ib.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/img0006pq.jpg/
The pics do not do justice. In person there is a real difference. Even the capacitive lights on the bottom are brighter and whiter.
Not a big deal though when my Gaalaxy S isnt being compared to the Note. Just bothers me a bit personally
Thanks!!
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Coming from a galaxy s with a perfect screen i have to agree that the black levels on the note is not as good and yes picture quality on the first generation screen is better even if its just plain pentile and non hd resolution.
People who started with the galaxy note are easily blown away but those who started with the first gen need more to be pleased. I also started a thread about this before and got the same results on the black levels.. im hoping that hd samoled plus can redeem the samoled family.
I think it is an amazing screen!!! I love it, about it being less bright, god I think the note is too bright. I never have it on full brightness unless its really bright sunshine, and in the dark I wish it would go darker, but it won't.
And the black levels!!!(I'm sick of hearing about this in the this forum) some people are so anal about this, I mean I can only just about tell that the screen is on, on a full black screen when I'm in a pitch black room, which I did to test the blacks. So 99% of the time you can't tell, and even in a pitch black room as soon as theres a pixel of light on the screen your eyes adjust and the blacks look black again. Secondly how many of you that are bothered about this, actually sit in the cinema or watch tv or when on the computer, say oh my good the blacks aren't quiet black. I can pretty much guarantee that all the screens in your life aren't LED so why bother so much about it on your phone?
I also love the screen. No disappointment at all!
Would you rather have 480x800!?
This is brand new technology! It pushes the limits of what can be done at consumer price.
And people are complaining!? WTF!
edit: I owned a SGS1, but I like the Note's screen way more. Much sharper.
Although I must say I'm not experiencing the issues I read about on the forum.
DaanJordaan said:
Would you rather have 480x800!?
This is brand new technology! It pushes the limits of what can be done at consumer price.
And people are complaining!? WTF!
Although I must say I'm not experiencing the issues I read about on the forum.
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Are you joking???
I worked a few years in an industrial R&D department and designed new products, but we NEVER would have dared to release a product with such massive quality fluctuations (problems) onto a mass market! Especially when the screen is THE major unique selling argument!
Fine that YOUR screen is fine for YOU, but sorry, your arguments are pure ignorance! You do NOT have this issues, fine, then why judge about their seriousness??
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Are you joking???
I worked a few years in an industrial R&D department and designed new products, but we NEVER would have dared to release a product with such massive quality fluctuations (problems) onto a mass market! Especially when the screen is THE major unique selling argument!
Fine that YOUR screen is fine for YOU, but sorry, your arguments are pure ignorance! You do NOT have this issues, fine, then why judge about their seriousness??
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Jeez, dont buy a samsung nexus then because that thing is a mess. Signal fluctuates so badly that its kinda funny. Fake screen size (the android buttons are actually on the bottom of the screen, reducing the screen size to the razr. The sound is a joke, the battery useless. Match that with no sd card slot no hdmi and the headphone jack at the bottom of the phone and youve got a 600$ flop.
I bought it for my 12 year old and even he doesnt want it. He wants me to bring it back and get a razr....
BTW, i have a bad s pen and the trademark samsung pink hue in the middle of my camera but asude from that, i love my note. When i saw it in youtube early 2011 i knew it would become my daily phone web surfer.
I wish for the same phone with S amoled PLUS, volume and sleep buttons not across from each ither, no pink in camera, mute button (like iphone) and the sane type of notification light as on the samsung nexus, micro hdmi out and quad core
try the free wallpaper called "no wallpaper" by simplicity apps. The blacks that you see with that wallpaper are amazing and it is free. i often use my phone at night when my child is sleeping, so lights are off and dark and see pitch black screen.
have 2 htc desires at home with amoled screens and the note screen is way better than that. have seen SGS and SGS2 screens and the note is definetely much better than that.
also try the wallpaper (free and paid versions) of KF Flames or KF Flames Donation by kittehface software. the blacks on that are also awesome with equally awesome flame effects. prefer the stock setting than variations possible with paid version but bought paid version just to support developer as liked free version.
the screen on even the sgs2 is no comparison to the one on the note. is your phone stock version or is having different roms affecting the display?
ICS should sort out most issues as its 32bit colour .... (or it could be 24 bit not 100 percent) ,,,
no wallpaper works a treat ... also lowering red to 3
still some apps which are lower density look like they have lines on .. but if you take screen shot they are still there when looking on pc so its the app not the phone
this phone rocks ... never ever going back to the half eaten apple ....
TML1504 said:
Are you joking???
I worked a few years in an industrial R&D department and designed new products, but we NEVER would have dared to release a product with such massive quality fluctuations (problems) onto a mass market! Especially when the screen is THE major unique selling argument!
Fine that YOUR screen is fine for YOU, but sorry, your arguments are pure ignorance! You do NOT have this issues, fine, then why judge about their seriousness??
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Where in my post am I "judging" about "their" seriousness?
If you find the screen their "major unique selling argument", why did you buy it before doing research on the screen?
If you are so worked up about the screen, why don't you get a replacement or trade it for a different phone?
Why do you point your frustration at someone who bought a phone he likes?
Because you bought a phone that you do not like?
Really, if you are so pissed off that you have to enter a forum discussion this angry. You should return the phone.
If you worked in a research and design department you must be a smart guy. You know getting angry won't get us anywhere.
markmessier8888 said:
Hi guys!
First off I wanna say I love my Note!! I have the Korea version as well.
Anyway, I still have my Galaxy S I which I ended the contract to get a Note.
I have to say as far as the "blacks" are concerned, the Galaxy S I wins hands down and also the text/color is sharper and even brighter than the Note.
I tried to take side by side photos but this was the best I could do to show the difference. Both phones are at max. brightness
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/img0005ib.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/img0006pq.jpg/
The pics do not do justice. In person there is a real difference. Even the capacitive lights on the bottom are brighter and whiter.
Not a big deal though when my Gaalaxy S isnt being compared to the Note. Just bothers me a bit personally
Thanks!!
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The blacks on my old S2 is way deeper than the one in the Note.
Disappointing for sure.
But i'll take sharper screen over deeper blacks any day.
Well I was the proud owner of two notes this week, first one had a screen which used to tint between pink and green, so I got Amazon to send a replacement, which came today.
Alas this one isn't rendering the blacks properly and makes Black & White photos and videos look awful, pity as I'm a photographer and wanted to show client photos on the note (First note rendered Blacks great, just the white balance kept going off every odd second or so).
So two notes being returned, not taking the risk again.
Shingle said:
Well I was the proud owner of two notes this week, first one had a screen which used to tint between pink and green, so I got Amazon to send a replacement, which came today.
Alas this one isn't rendering the blacks properly and makes Black & White photos and videos look awful, pity as I'm a photographer and wanted to show client photos on the note (First note rendered Blacks great, just the white balance kept going off every odd second or so).
So two notes being returned, not taking the risk again.
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3rd times tge charm! Grab it while its the international version! The home button is brilliant.i dont at&ts stink on it.
cybermessiah said:
After installing Screen Adjuster free from the market ..I just upped the red a fraction [+3] to get rid of the slightest green tinge to my screen.
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I adjusted the red to +1 on my Note, and it's worked perfect
Much clearer now, thanks for that tip - I'd never heard of that app before.
Livewings said:
The blacks on my old S2 is way deeper than the one in the Note.
Disappointing for sure.
But i'll take sharper screen over deeper blacks any day.
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I'm not sure how the black levels are perceivably different from one OLED screen to another, whether it's AMOLED, SAMOLED, SAMOLED Plus, or HD SAMOLED.
I mean, think about it...
All OLED displays are actively lit, which means that each pixel is its own source of light as opposed to being, essentially, active colour filters for a backlight, like on an LCD.
Let's go ahead an use 24-bit colour for the following example:
Basically, each pixel is able to register 256 levels of intensity per colour, which is represented by 8 bits per colour. And since you have three colours (Red, Green, and Blue), that's 8 bits times 3, hence 24-bit.
In the case of an LCD, where each pixel is essentially a filter, blocking or allowing backlight through, a bit value of 0 for any particular colour would mean fully blocking light, and a bit value of 255 would mean fully allowing as much light through as possible.
However, since the backlight in an LCD is always on, regardless of the image, the front panel isn't always able to completely block all the light, even on a completely black image. That's why you're still able to see a little bit of bleed-through, even on the best LCD's.
With any kind of OLED display technology, this is not the case however. On an OLED display, each pixel is essentially a microscopic cluster of light emitting diodes, and since each pixel produces its own light, there is no backlight whatsoever. Thus, on an OLED display, a 255 bit value for a given colour means full intensity, and a bit value of 0 simply means "off."
Q.E.D. on any kind of OLED display, true black is truly black in the same sense that when a light bulb is turned off, it's completely off.
So, if you're perceiving a difference in the black levels between respective OLED devices, it could be simply that you're not viewing a truly black image. The image might contain pixel bit values close to 0, but not actually 0.
To the Community:
I just yesterday picked this puppy up at BB and, quite honestly, am very disappointed in the display, specifically the hue. All the yellows are washed out -- WTF???!!
Resolution is awesome but the white background when browsing looks like I'm looking at it under old-style fluorescent lighting -- YUCK!
I've played with all the Settings > Display > Screen mode modes and there's barely a change when going from one to another.
Is this correctible? Is it a TouchWiz thing? Will a different ROM help?
(FWIW -- I'm upgrading from a Xoom running Eos ROMs and other than the resolution, it was gorgeous. The Xoom was a great device: heavy, granted, but the bezel width really did set the standard that tablet manufacturers seem to be migrating towards.)
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A SOLUTION!!! THE COLOR RENDITION IS SO UNPALATABLE I VERY WELL MIGHT RETURN IT AFTER LUSTING AFTER IT FOR MONTHS!
Thanks.
Sounds like a hardware problem. I don't see how Touchwiz (or any ROM) could be responsible for that. Better have it exchanged.
Sounds like you're using reading mode
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Color accuracy is pretty decent on the Note 10.1’s display. As always I’m reporting color data using Samsung’s Movie mode, which remains the most accurate setting of those offered. Grayscale performance is excellent, but our GMB and saturations tests put the Note 10.1 on par with the original Nexus 7. It’s definitely a better calibrated display than any other Samsung Galaxy Note tablet we’ve reviewed. Not quite on par with the new Nexus 7, but getting very close.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
My (AMOLED) N3 displaying the same yellow background as my N10.1-14...
My "whites"...
The screen on this amazing and nothing short of that.
You must have a bad tablet...
My screen is great.
I have minor light bleed on bottom edge but thats not bothersome and barely noticeable.
Never had any problems with color rendition. Not to the extent you said it sounds like. Its been pretty natural looking for me.
EDIT: Removed link, its posted two above this...
I dont know what these numbers mean but here is a comparison against a crapple ipad: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10.1-2014-vs-Apple-iPad-4_id3445
Don't get me wrong, I like the screen a lot. But it is not perfect. I think the pentile design shows when certain colors are next to each other (producing less than perfect transition from one color to another).
whatllitbenext said:
To the Community:
I just yesterday picked this puppy up at BB and, quite honestly, am very disappointed in the display, specifically the hue. All the yellows are washed out -- WTF???!!
Resolution is awesome but the white background when browsing looks like I'm looking at it under old-style fluorescent lighting -- YUCK!
I've played with all the Settings > Display > Screen mode modes and there's barely a change when going from one to another.
Is this correctible? Is it a TouchWiz thing? Will a different ROM help?
(FWIW -- I'm upgrading from a Xoom running Eos ROMs and other than the resolution, it was gorgeous. The Xoom was a great device: heavy, granted, but the bezel width really did set the standard that tablet manufacturers seem to be migrating towards.)
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A SOLUTION!!! THE COLOR RENDITION IS SO UNPALATABLE I VERY WELL MIGHT RETURN IT AFTER LUSTING AFTER IT FOR MONTHS!
Thanks.
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Was it exactly the same when you first turned it on or did it get the yellow cast after some use?
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Was it exactly the same when you first turned it on or did it get the yellow cast after some use?
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No, there's no yellow cast: rather, the yellow's are washed out and not at all vibrant. White backgrounds have a blue-ish gray-ish tone and the only analogy I can muster is that it's like the color temperature is "cool," as opposed to "warm." Canary yellows come out looking dull gold; skin tones are very off-putting and for a top-dollar device, it's really not pleasant.
Side-by-side with my GN2, the colors are much truer on my GN2, hands down.
@BarryH_GEG -- thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
@bootx1 -- thank you, too, but I'm not using reading mode.
Here are some screenshots from today's XDA main page.
1st photo is from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ed., second is Galaxy Note 2; third is a side-by-side with the Galaxy Note 2 on the left (the dude's skin is a little reddish on the left but it's not bad -- the skin tone on the right is actually much worse).
WTF????
Thanks.
whatllitbenext said:
Thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
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I leave both my N3 and N10.1-14 on Adapt Display. On the N3 it's the only way to achieve maximum brightness in bright conditions; like an additional 150 nits. I'm not sure if the N10.1-14's Adapt Display works the same way. I have to confess, while Movie Mode may be more accurate I've come to like overly saturated colors on my mobile devices.
whatllitbenext said:
No, there's no yellow cast: rather, the yellow's are washed out and not at all vibrant. White backgrounds have a blue-ish gray-ish tone and the only analogy I can muster is that it's like the color temperature is "cool," as opposed to "warm." Canary yellows come out looking dull gold; skin tones are very off-putting and for a top-dollar device, it's really not pleasant.
Side-by-side with my GN2, the colors are much truer on my GN2, hands down.
@BarryH_GEG -- thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
@bootx1 -- thank you, too, but I'm not using reading mode.
Here are some screenshots from today's XDA main page.
1st photo is from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ed., second is Galaxy Note 2; third is a side-by-side with the Galaxy Note 2 on the left (the dude's skin is a little reddish on the left but it's not bad -- the skin tone on the right is actually much worse).
WTF????
Thanks.
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To me......... In your (photo 3) side by side photo's I think the device on the left is to red and has to much color saturation the tablet looks good to me in that photo....
There is at lease 2 places in the control panel of the P-600 to adjust color, have you seen them?
If you not happy with the way it looks and you can exchange it you should. If you don't you will always have this thought in the back of your mind.
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as another user said, it sounds like reading mode is turned on make sure it's off. It probably unlikely that this is the problem though since the the only app that defaults with reading mode on is play books.
Thank you for your responses.
I'm not quite sure how to say this without sounding impolite but several of you seem not to have read my posts completely, so please allow me to start over.
My yellows are very washed out: what ought to be bright canary yellows are dull gold. For example: the yellow in the Chrome logo is what I define as "yellow." On the GM10.1, 2014 Ed. it appears gold and dull.
Skin tones are wan and blue-ish.
White web page areas are gray-blue-ish.
Overall color temperature is "cool."
Reading mode does warm things up a bit...but still, I can't get any combination of settings where yellows "pop".
Settings > Device > Display > Screen mode is set to "movie" and that barely affects the vibrancy of the yellows; in fact there is no real difference between all four of the options.
IN SUM: COLOR RENDITION SUCKS.
Take it back to Best Buy?
(I s'pose I just answered my question...)
Thanks in advance.
The subpixel arrangement creates a dot effect more seen in print when looking through a magnifying glass. While not overly distracting, I do notice it at times. My biggest complaint is the blueish hue shift in darker tones when putting the display at an angle. Is this a TN panel ? I've always had OLED and my Oppo Find 5 was the first smartphone I've owned that didn't have a OLED screen. Still, the find 5 screen was MUCH better than the note 10.1 2014. Especially the black levels are kinda disappointing. I think the screen is WAY overrated in reviews. I primarily use the note in darker indoor areas so I have no use for the extra brightness delivered by the white subpixel.
I still think it's a great device tough, and for the price there is nothing like it. I would like to see some CM and Omni builds for it though which retain the wacom S pen "drivers". I don't care for the samsung features, I just want to use Autodesk Sketchbook.
Overall, I'm really happy with my display. My one complaint is that viewing angles seem to be a little off.
jankko said:
Don't get me wrong, I like the screen a lot. But it is not perfect. I think the pentile design shows when certain colors are next to each other (producing less than perfect transition from one color to another).
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What I know is that this device comes with LCD display. Not amoled. So there.is not pentile design. Because it is not amoled. The color would not look as vivid as amoled, yellow will look like a bit washout because of the backlight compared to amoled
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Check this link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
As you can see, Note 10.1 2014 edition is pentile. You can also see this when looking at the screen. Transitions between some colors are a bit blurry.
When talking about display performance there's the objective and subjective. GSMArena, AnandTech, and NoteBookCheck DE all run an extensive battery of standardized tests on all the devices they review. All praise the N10.1-14's display; especially compared to previous Samsung LCD displays.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p2.php
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-Tablet.105624.0.html
Sorry folks, you can't argue with the objective.
As for the subjective, assuming those not digging the display don't have a h/w issue, to each their own. The N5's display objectively produces very accurate colors. Those I've seen look washed out and dull. OP's not happy with the coolness of his display. I personally detest warm displays. You can't argue the subjective because it's both personal and opinion.
BarryH_GEG said:
When talking about display performance there's the objective and subjective. GSMArena, AnandTech, and NoteBookCheck DE all run an extensive battery of standardized tests on all the devices they review. All praise the N10.1-14's display; especially compared to previous Samsung LCD displays.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p2.php
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-Tablet.105624.0.html
Sorry folks, you can't argue with the objective.
As for the subjective, assuming those not digging the display don't have a h/w issue, to each their own. The N5's display objectively produces very accurate colors. Those I've seen look washed out and dull. OP's not happy with the coolness of his display. I personally detest warm displays. You can't argue the subjective because it's both personal and opinion.
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Thanks for that useful post -- the gsmarena and anandtech links are especially informative.
And my fears were confirmed: the display is just kind of average...objectively excellent, but comparatively average.
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Thanks for that useful post -- the gsmarena and anandtech links are especially informative.
And my fears were confirmed: the display is just kind of average...objectively excellent, but comparatively average.
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Think average is a silly comment. I prefer the display to the ipad air. Sometimes wish the whites were slightly better. But I would like to see anyone who has a better screen on an Android 10 inch tablet
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We all know that the Galaxy S6 will sport a QHD Super AMOLED display just like the Galaxy S5 LTE-A and Galaxy Note 4 before it. But the question remains, will this be the second generation of Super AMOLED QHD displays that they're employing? Meaning they would be more brighter, energy efficient and possibly color accurate over the ones in the S5/N4?
After all, they shrunk down the battery capacity for a thinner body and made it non-removable for a more premium unibody. So the optimization compensation has to come from somewhere, right? And between the Galaxy and Note releases, they've always improved on the display technology in some way. Let's all post updates as more information leaks over time.
Definitely will be much improved over S5, I think everything points to this being brand new tech, although the Note 4's screen was so exceptional that no one has complained of its quality, so even if the same one, it should be perfect. That said, I estill expected an updated panel since they had to make a new one to match the size anyway
I have Note 4. The screen is AMAZING. I don't know what could Samsung improve really.
It has a small problem though - it changes color very slightly at even the slightest angle, which might be the deal breaker for some (for me it's OK for a phone, would hate it on a TV though). It might be interesting to see if S6 has the same problem.
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I have Note 4. The screen is AMAZING. I don't know what could Samsung improve really.
It has a small problem though - it changes color very slightly at even the slightest angle, which might be the deal breaker for some (for me it's OK for a phone, would hate it on a TV though). It might be interesting to see if S6 has the same problem.
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I'd like to see AMOLED screens hit at least 400 cm/nits of brightness when displaying content with 100% white average. Right now the best the Note 4 can do in that situation is 340 cm/nits. That's why I hope this S6 panel is an improvement and not just taken from the Note 4. Now that TouchWiz uses more white backgrounds, it won't be as energy efficient over the long term for having the display on and I certainly would like whites to look more white with better brightness on Average Picture Level
The white are very bad in amoleds
hamad138 said:
The white are very bad in amoleds
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I'd take an AMOLED white over an LCD black any day.
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Can't wait to see how it's doing under direct sunlight with the Edge
AM I the only person who thought the Note 4's display looked somewhat grainy? That and I often found a few models to have pinkish screens.
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I'd take an AMOLED white over an LCD black any day.
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They went from being inaccurately calibrated with yellow or green tints to being more proper on white point. They (QHD displays) display whites more accurately than most of the high-end LCD panels. The problem is, they don't look as good because they can't get very bright due to hardware limitations at the moment. AMOLED is still a premature technology that has improved tremendously in a few short years on the market, but more efficiency needs to be tuned in.
I prefer 1080p as all my videos are in that resolution. It's going to look worse upscaled in this. Also, not sure if eyes can even notice a difference on a phone call.
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I prefer 1080p as all my videos are in that resolution. It's going to look worse upscaled in this. Also, not sure if eyes can even notice a difference on a phone call.
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Short of pressing your face up against the screen and trying to look for flaws, it won't look any worse. 1080p is too many pixels for a 5" screen as it is. QHD is pure overkill.
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Short of pressing your face up against the screen and trying to look for flaws, it won't look any worse. 1080p is too many pixels for a 5" screen as it is. QHD is pure overkill.
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My point is I prefee it to display videos at native resolution.
Then I guess the S6 isn't for you. Lucky there are other options that are FHD still.
Improve the white coulor its really bad.
People always think they can't do better but still, they always do, they always manage to find a way to improve the technology.
Colour accuracy on the S6 doesn't seem to be as good as the Note 4 but the maximum brightness on the S6 should be a lot brighter than N4 (Samsung claims max 600 nits).
This data is for the edge, but I would think the S6 would be similar.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...benchmark-and-color-accuracy-analysis_id66830
Looks like a valid test done by someone at MWC, I'm not a fan of how the article was written and by who BTW. Should we be concerned? Added "Does anyone know the app being used in this test"
http://www.cultofandroid.com/72195/sorry-samsung-galaxy-s6-may-major-hardware-fault/
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Looks like a valid test done by someone at MWC, I'm not a fan of how the article was written and by who BTW. Should we be concerned? Added "Does anyone know the app being used in this test"
http://www.cultofandroid.com/72195/sorry-samsung-galaxy-s6-may-major-hardware-fault/
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For all anyone knows this could be intentional to reduce the number of false touches.
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For all anyone knows this could be intentional to reduce the number of false touches.
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I agree it could be, as well it could be that the testing application isn't compatible yet with the new hardware? Anyways I tested a similar application with my Nexus 6 and I get responsiveness right to the edge. I sure would like to know the application he was using. I would also like to see this test on the s6 edge as well. I'm hoping this isn't a major issue as I have pre-ordered both the s6 and s6 edge.
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I agree it could be, as well it could be that the testing application isn't compatible yet with the new hardware? Anyways I tested a similar application with my Nexus 6 and I get responsiveness right to the edge. I sure would like to know the application he was using. I would also like to see this test on the s6 edge as well. I'm hoping this isn't a major issue as I have pre-ordered both the s6 and s6 edge.
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The S6 and the S6 edge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrwqhAwQVLg
At the moment, I have both devices. Having used the S7 Edge since the release, yesterday I switched to the S7. In shifting back to the S7 Edge just now, I noticed the two device's displays are quite different.
The S7 clearly has more saturated colors and looks far brighter. The S7 Edge, in comparison, looks slightly more dull when side by side.
For reference, I tested both devices in the same conditions. That is to say the S7 and S7 Edge with automatic brightness disabled and pushed up to maximum manual brightness. Also I tested both in a darker room. For reference both were set to AMOLED Cinema.
Unfortunately even when the automatic brightness is turned back on, it's clear the S7 still looks more vibrant.
Can anyone explain what's going on here? Is it simply that the Edge looks like it has a lesser screen because of the larger size and thereby lower pixel density. Or is it something about the panels themselves and thus the S7 that I have now just happened to get a better panel than the Edge.
Any thoughts or answers would be appreciated.
Displaymate tested them and stated that they are practically identical in terms of performance: http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm. Any chance you can test out against another Edge?
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Displaymate tested them and stated that they are practically identical in terms of performance: http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S7_ShootOut_1.htm. Any chance you can test out against another Edge?
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Actually no, unfortunately. Neither device has been released in Japan yet. Both of the ones I have are imported.
The thing is lot more complicated...
Each S7 Edge has different display quality! When you put 2 S7 Edge Side by Side and compare, you will see that the displays have different tint (mostly yellow), and more worse: a lot of the displays are not homogeneous. that means that one corner or side is brighter then the rest of the display.
i wrote a few threads regarding this, i also sent a message to displaymate (because they test "cherry-picked" devices, and do not mention this), see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
basically i do think that the s7 screen is better, due to the Edge screen is P-AMOLED to be flexible! but the differences between otherwise identical devices are really huge!
i ordered my 5th device today, because all of them had flaws:
1st: display not good compared to second device
2nd: the device i use now. very good viewing angles and no tint, BUT: left side of display is darker then right side
3rd: display strong yellow tint
4th: display almost good, slight yellow tint. would take this, BUT: front cam takes blurry pictures compared to other devices...
5th: ordered today!
you may think i'm a hypocrite or have OCD, but it makes me mad that a 800EUR device has such flaws!!!
The s7 has more PPI due to smaller screen than edge
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i ordered my 5th device today, because all of them had flaws:
1st: display not good compared to second device
2nd: the device i use now. very good viewing angles and no tint, BUT: left side of display is darker then right side
3rd: display strong yellow tint
4th: display almost good, slight yellow tint. would take this, BUT: front cam takes blurry pictures compared to other devices...
5th: ordered today!
you may think i'm a hypocrite or have OCD, but it makes me mad that a 800EUR device has such flaws!!!
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Or, you know, maybe you're looking for a flaw that's not there? It's a well known fact by now that a bend in a display, like the Edge, will have some shifts in brightness, tint and contrast, especially right in that bend! If this is something that annoys you, then I'd recommend you stick with flat panels from now on, because this won't be "fixed" for awhile. It's just the way it is.
Also, you do not have OCD.
"Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over."
If you turn the screen on and off 30 times before you can make a call, you have OCD. If you have to knock your door five times each time you come home, you have OCD. If you think the smartphone's screen is the wrong hue, that's not OCD, that's just being picky.
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The thing is lot more complicated...
Each S7 Edge has different display quality! When you put 2 S7 Edge Side by Side and compare, you will see that the displays have different tint (mostly yellow), and more worse: a lot of the displays are not homogeneous. that means that one corner or side is brighter then the rest of the display.
i wrote a few threads regarding this, i also sent a message to displaymate (because they test "cherry-picked" devices, and do not mention this), see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
basically i do think that the s7 screen is better, due to the Edge screen is P-AMOLED to be flexible! but the differences between otherwise identical devices are really huge!
i ordered my 5th device today, because all of them had flaws:
1st: display not good compared to second device
2nd: the device i use now. very good viewing angles and no tint, BUT: left side of display is darker then right side
3rd: display strong yellow tint
4th: display almost good, slight yellow tint. would take this, BUT: front cam takes blurry pictures compared to other devices...
5th: ordered today!
you may think i'm a hypocrite or have OCD, but it makes me mad that a 800EUR device has such flaws!!!
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I think you're being a tad bit OCD. At the end of the day, the S7 might have a slightly better display than the S7E but the screen size and battery size make the S7E better for me personally. If you're looking for a slightly better looking display then maybe you'd be happier with the S7.
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Or, you know, maybe you're looking for a flaw that's not there? It's a well known fact by now that a bend in a display, like the Edge, will have some shifts in brightness, tint and contrast, especially right in that bend! If this is something that annoys you, then I'd recommend you stick with flat panels from now on, because this won't be "fixed" for awhile. It's just the way it is.
Also, you do not have OCD.
"Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over."
If you turn the screen on and off 30 times before you can make a call, you have OCD. If you have to knock your door five times each time you come home, you have OCD. If you think the smartphone's screen is the wrong hue, that's not OCD, that's just being picky.
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Thx for the medical and display-tech lecture, I'm a university lecturer (engineering and physics) myself!
1) Display quality: You did not read my post, or my linked thread regarding note4! The display of note4 was not curved, and had the same problems as all of samsungs amoled devices before: When you compare 10 devices side by side, you will see that each and every device has different screen tone, uniformity, ... About 2 out of 10 I would consider "good", all other have flaws such as a not uniform brightness distribution (one side of the screen is darker then the other side), or bad viewing angles.
this is NOT a problem which every device has, as I always found one device in the past which was "OK" after exchanging a few times.
same happened last week and today: last week i got a device with a really nice screen, but the front cam took blurry pictures compared to the other S7E devices I have in front of me. this can be easily reproduced, so the cam or lens has a problem the other devices do not have.
the device i got today has the best screen so far (good and even white distribution, good viewing angles), the front cam is ok (a bit less sharp pictures then my reference device, but WAY sharper as from the last weeks device), but there is a scuff on the top metal frame of the display, between the glass and the metal. this is no dust particle, it is a real scuff. :| i will test the rear-cam as well, if it is ok i will stay with this device, as the scuff is not nice, but a minor issue compared to the display faults of the other devices.
also, i showed the different displays of all my S7E devices to friends and colleagues (because they thought i'm crazy because of my exchanges), and all of them see the display faults as well. you need to have devices for comparison, then you will notice how bad some screens are compared to others!
so no need to go for an other device as the S7E, because there ARE good ones existing. but you have to be lucky to get one...
on the OCD: this was half ironic, because i know that OCD really is.
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Thx for the medical and display-tech lecture, I'm a university lecturer (engineering and physics) myself! .
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I did.... not read that Note 4 thread, and I did (clearly not) understand what you said (blame the beers I had), but alright, I do understand what you're saying now, and yeah, there is a slight difference in each panel, and some will get a slightly better panel than the other one. That happens with every screen out there, including LCDs, and viewing angles are also something that gets affected, but I have the impression that this is more of an issue with LCDs.
I would keep swapping it until I got a good panel, so keep doing what you're doing until you get tired or hit the jackpot. The screen is rated as the best smartphone screen ever, so I promise you it should look amazing. The issues you're experiencing is very common though, and must be somewhat expected when we are early adopters. These are typical issues that Samsung will weed out with time.
I saw a strange think on S7E: the 2 sides of the screen have grey shadow area if you looking at it in a dark room with low brightness of course...is that normal?
My is perfect :sly:
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My is perfect :sly:
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I saw other phones and talked to other S7E owners, and they see this grey halo too, when the brightness is low and the environment really dark. Do you think that it is a problem of my screen?