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Opinions Note4 vs Nexus 6 (jump and knox)

I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!

I don't think that is a worry. Beyond the fact that half the T-Mobile agents won't even know what you are talking about, that would be a headache for T-Mobile. They release phones with open boot loaders, and they claim to be uncarrier.
I would worry about it. Worse comes to worse...don't trade it in, sale it.

cwwjr1681 said:
I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!
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Simple answer..
don't root your phone if you're this paranoid...

Will keep the Note 4. Not having an extSd slot is a deal breaker. Don't trust keeping all files in Dropbox or a. cloud
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cwwjr1681 said:
I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!
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Tmobile dosent care and won't care the phones are sent back to there repair building and its broke down for parts or all flags are Clearlake sold as a refurbished

I really wouldn't worry about it. I managed to rock my s4 on the cyanogen nightlies with the latest modems without ever tripping knox. Thanks to buying the phone when it first came out and it coming with the 4.2 bootloader.
I tripped knox the second day I had this phone. No regrets. I'm rooted, team win recovery, running firekat v4. Haven't seen anyone with a better phone. And, Austin is pretty tech savvy.
If I needed to return or exchange or jump i would use the same plan as when we used to worry about the flash counter.
1. Odin to stock.
2. And, don't sound like you know how to program cell phones you are talking to Samsung or Tmobile.

There is not a better phone currently or in the near future.
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I returned a rooted s4 to Samsung directly with the flash counter tripped because I broke the back camera flashing those cm nightlies and was concerned about messing the phone up further trying to unroot. Got a brand new s4, european back cover, extra battery, and extra set of headphones out of it.
All you have to do is Odin to stock.

Android_Monsters said:
I really wouldn't worry about it. I managed to rock my s4 on the cyanogen nightlies with the latest modems without ever tripping knox. Thanks to buying the phone when it first came out and it coming with the 4.2 bootloader.
I tripped knox the second day I had this phone. No regrets. I'm rooted, team win recovery, running firekat v4. Haven't seen anyone with a better phone. And, Austin is pretty tech savvy.
If I need to return or exchange or jump same plan as when we used to worry about the flash counter. Odin to stock. Don't sound like you know how to program cell phones when you are asking to return, exchange, jump.
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It doesn't sound like I know how to flash to stock? My 8yo niece can do that lol
Did you fully read my OP? I said I know they do not look for Knox flags NOW. I am worried Samsung may make them START in the future. If I go with the note4 ill be on it till there is a note 5.
You dont think the nexus6 compares? The bigger screen is nice so is lolypop and ALWAYS having the newest android ahead of everyone else.

The nexus 6 has some major flaws. Camera is a downgrade. Big time. Same as every other nexus. No microsd card slot is a joke. I don't want my files on the cloud. I don't want to not have access to stuff because of a bad cell signal, no cell signal, whatever else beyond my control.
The phone is also gigantic. It is bigger than the iPhone 6 plus which is a gigantic phone to begin with. It is also pretty damn thick. Battery isn't that great considering all of this.
I am happy with my Note 4 and would take it over any nexus garbage. To get the new OS sooner you get downgraded hardware.
Only thing nice on the nexus is the screen. But even then it just matches the Note 4. Everything else is a downgrade.
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In no way shape or form does the Nexus 6 compare to the Note 4. I could care less about fast upgrades. I prefer to let the beta testers work out the bugs and get a properly working rom when it's ready.

nosympathy said:
The nexus 6 has some major flaws. Camera is a downgrade. Big time. Same as every other nexus. No microsd card slot is a joke. I don't want my files on the cloud. I don't want to not have access to stuff because of a bad cell signal, no cell signal, whatever else beyond my control.
The phone is also gigantic. It is bigger than the iPhone 6 plus which is a gigantic phone to begin with. It is also pretty damn thick. Battery isn't that great considering all of this.
I am happy with my Note 4 and would take it over any nexus garbage. To get the new OS sooner you get downgraded hardware.
Only thing nice on the nexus is the screen. But even then it just matches the Note 4. Everything else is a downgrade.
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The screen on the Nexus isn't even nice... bigger yes, but it is of lesser quality.
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[OFFICIAL OFF-TOPIC LOUNGE] Talk about (most) anything

Hi all you Verizon Note 4 owners,
I noticed there wasn't an off topic thread for you guys & gals to talk about non-Note 4 related things, so I've created this place to do just that. This will be the only place off-topic discussions are allowed.
Of course, not anything goes, stick to the rules and keep it civil. Report any questionable post(s) & don't let things get out of hand or it'll be closed.
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So anyone read theres speculation that Lollipop isnt coming to the Note 4 till may. Im not too worried about it myself cause my DE is perfect, however my wife is disappointed (she has retail version) as some of her friends got it on their phones (S5, and some other brands) and she cant understand what's taking so long, after I explained things to her shes not convinced and feels lile we are being screwed. Ahh the joys life.

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So anyone read theres speculation that Lollipop isnt coming to the Note 4 till may. Im not too worried about it myself cause my DE is perfect, however my wife is disappointed (she has retail version) as some of her friends got it on their phones (S5, and some other brands) and she cant understand what's taking so long, after I explained things to her shes not convinced and feels lile we are being screwed. Ahh the joys life.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I got the DE and wife got retail. She wants some lollipop. I told her she's out of luck and the only lollipop she'll be getting is from me lol

I love the android system but there is one game I miss the most from apple. Fantastic Contraption. If you never heard of it YouTube it. It is an amazing game. I am sure this is probably one of the dumbest question ever but can it be ported to android?
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Android_Fr3ak said:
I love the android system but there is one game I miss the most from apple. Fantastic Contraption. If you never heard of it YouTube it. It is an amazing game. I am sure this is probably one of the dumbest question ever but can it be ported to android?
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I miss one thing about apple, camera+ app. The best photo editing app in existence and the developer "tap tap tap" doesn't want to come to android. Just being an a$$.
Other than that apple is like a bad history for me. lol

I learned a shocking feature on iPhones the other day, if you go into the privacy settings there is a feature in there that tracks your address the time you spent there where you travel to everything you do in plain English and very easily accessible. Does android have a feature like that built in? I hope not lol not that I go any place bad it just seemed a little intrusive. I do know they have GPS and all that but that was really precise.
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I learned a shocking feature on iPhones the other day, if you go into the privacy settings there is a feature in there that tracks your address the time you spent there where you travel to everything you do in plain English and very easily accessible. Does android have a feature like that built in? I hope not lol not that I go any place bad it just seemed a little intrusive. I do know they have GPS and all that but that was really precise.
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I don't know, but we do have a file in the system called "mobile tracker" that is, I think, used to track your phone just in case you lose it. Not sure, but I usually freeze/delete it with titanium back up. Also, if you're rooted, you can always install xprivacy module that prevents anything you suspect.

What's the longest you guys ever went without rooting your devices? I would say a month, I've just gotten my first Android phone (ZTE Warp) and the bootloader wasn't unlocked yet, I checked the forums every day until I seen the almighty *HOW TO ROOT ZTE WARP* boy was I excited. Ever since then I've never owned a android if I couldn't root it but this might be my first time, I'm looking to purchase the note 4 this April or May I only have the option of getting the att&t or Verizon variant (just my luck, lol) most likely I'll chose which ever gets rooted first. I'm sure by either April or May it should be rooted.

MartyMar_XVII said:
What's the longest you guys ever went without rooting your devices? I would say a month, I've just gotten my first Android phone (ZTE Warp) and the bootloader wasn't unlocked yet, I checked the forums every day until I seen the almighty *HOW TO ROOT ZTE WARP* boy was I excited. Ever since then I've never owned a android if I couldn't root it but this might be my first time, I'm looking to purchase the note 4 this April or May I only have the option of getting the att&t or Verizon variant (just my luck, lol) most likely I'll chose which ever gets rooted first. I'm sure by either April or May it should be rooted.
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I had my Verizon HTC One M7 for a couple months before it was rooted, and even then you had to send your phone away and pay $25. I think a month or two after that beaups and someone else came up with a method that worked pretty well on linux and that was it. Then I had the M8 for a couple of months until there was a way but it also cost $25 and ran directly on the phone. I'm not so much concerned about root, really. I just want ****ing lollipop.

Hey everyone. Trafalger888. Used to be an RC but haven't been around for a couple years. Life happened. Just getting back into everything. Lits of catching up to do. Just wanted to make a quick introduction.

murderdock said:
I had my Verizon HTC One M7 for a couple months before it was rooted, and even then you had to send your phone away and pay $25. I think a month or two after that beaups and someone else came up with a method that worked pretty well on linux and that was it. Then I had the M8 for a couple of months until there was a way but it also cost $25 and ran directly on the phone. I'm not so much concerned about root, really. I just want ****ing lollipop.
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U gotta be [email protected]$!n me! You had to send your phone away? Lol
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You know I wasn't so bothered at first by the lack of lollipop, in my past I was changing roms several times a week or day to get things going however thats changed now since I got my DE. What bothers me now now about the delay and the S6 and other things do I want to stay with Samsung anymore after this breaks or I want a new phone. Is it really time to say that Samsung is just isnt what it could should be?

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You know I wasn't so bothered at first by the lack of lollipop, in my past I was changing roms several times a week or day to get things going however thats changed now since I got my DE. What bothers me now now about the delay and the S6 and other things do I want to stay with Samsung anymore after this breaks or I want a new phone. Is it really time to say that Samsung is just isnt what it could should be?
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I don't know. I have always enjoyed their product. But the delays can be frustrating. I agree. This is the one thing lacking for me. Yet I still continue to purchase their phones, because in the end they still do make the best phone. Just my opinion of course.

My wife has a retail note 4 and while she doesn't understand all the issues tied with lollipop right now she feels dumped. I dont see the big deal myself as im happy the way my phone is however for roms things have been VERY slow going... but then again im not really sure what other roms are going to bring that I cant do myself. Which I think most of us DE owners can do. I think if root was found and oprn bootloader things might be alot different but whats bothering me is Samsung's direction right now. If this is signs of the Note 5 and 6 etc. I just might go elsewhere. Some videos were released today showing the note 4 against the S6 and only slight speed differences in actual use and even camera loading. So over all for now Im happy to have a removable battery and SD card and a unlocked bootloader.

I can imagine how overloaded this section will be the minute root has been achieved, 404 errors and everything, lol. Anyway being that this is a off topic thread, I would like to say that the snow here in NY is annoying -__- .

How about the release of Sprints SM-N910P Lolipop.. Two questions who wants to see what they can do with it and see what works (of course it will lack advanced calling version X. Then comes the question will this influence Verizon to release it.

Matttrix said:
My wife has a retail note 4 and while she doesn't understand all the issues tied with lollipop right now she feels dumped. I dont see the big deal myself as im happy the way my phone is however for roms things have been VERY slow going... but then again im not really sure what other roms are going to bring that I cant do myself. Which I think most of us DE owners can do. I think if root was found and oprn bootloader things might be alot different but whats bothering me is Samsung's direction right now. If this is signs of the Note 5 and 6 etc. I just might go elsewhere. Some videos were released today showing the note 4 against the S6 and only slight speed differences in actual use and even camera loading. So over all for now Im happy to have a removable battery and SD card and a unlocked bootloader.
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And yes root and an open bootloader would be nice. Look what happened with the S3 though. But I truly feel that the release and things like the locked bootloaders are not so much the manufacturer but the carrier. I may be wrong but I beleieve that pressure from the carrier is the main reason they do this.

What are the chances of me swapping a one month old Note 4 for a Nexus 6? Good or slim to none

Did you use a regular 2 year upgrade or edge to get the note 4?
Your best bet would be calling customer service. But even that is entirely dependent on how nice of a rep you get. If one says no politely hang up and call back. They make notes on your account when you call so don't call a bunch in 1 day. I work at an authorized retailer and most stores can't do anything after the 14 days.
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Samsung vs. HTC now that some key features are being taken away. Hmm.

The Note 5 must be a prank

The "REAL" upgrade to the Note 4 must be coming out later. I sure am glad I have taken good care of my DE Note 4. I will be holding on to it a lot more securely now that I know it is not being upgraged. There is no way I will ever be tied down to a battery charger again. Check my post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62319570&postcount=15

We get it. You and a bunch of others are never going to get past Samsung's h/w decisions. Do we really need half a dozen threads harping about the exact same things?

Don't buy the Note 5!
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We get it. You and a bunch of others are never going to get past Samsung's h/w decisions. Do we really need half a dozen threads harping about the exact same things?
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I, We could be saving people from a horrible mistake. Have Fun!

Its just a mistake from samsung. They will learn. When the sales figure come and it flops!

If the Note 5 had been just a little bit better than the Note 4, I would have bought it.
Back in the day of the Motorola RAZR MAXX I had to keep two phones in order to have enough battery to last all day. I would move the SIM card from one phone to the other to activate them and it would sometime cause corruption.

I'm waiting for a Note 5 Active with 4100mAh battery and microSD

getting it and cant wait , people say it will hurt their sales but it has not slowed down apple

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I'm waiting for a Note 5 Active with 4100mAh battery and microSD
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That would be better but at some point you have to put the phone down and stick it on a battery charger. Then you no longer have a mobil phone.

I'm waiting for the removable battery. Until then, bye bye Samsung.

I held the phone in my hand today at Bestbuy, along with the Note 4 right next to it. 3000 mah battery doesnt bother me, I charge my Nexus 6 twice a day because im a power user. It will be no different with the note 5 (220mah different i know). Quick charging allows me to charge my phone to 100% over my lunch break. As far as removable storage....i have a nexus 6 right now and only 32gb. Leef Access OTG adaptor with 128gb sdcard makes it a none issue. I never have used the IR blaster on any phone except to maybe try it out....my S tab has one. never used it.
I just loved reading all the hate yesterday after the announcement.......Im going to assume these same people will LOVE the new render of the boring looking 2015 LG Nexus.
btw, I think the Perl White is gorgeous. Im going to pair that with the UAG Magma red case.

is this Apple or Samsung !
No IR - No Micro SD - No Removable Battery - Just Stilling NFC & Bluetooth !!

My next phone may be a g4 or g4 pro
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bamfsig45 said:
I held the phone in my hand today at Bestbuy, along with the Note 4 right next to it. 3000 mah battery doesnt bother me, I charge my Nexus 6 twice a day because im a power user. It will be no different with the note 5 (220mah different i know). Quick charging allows me to charge my phone to 100% over my lunch break. As far as removable storage....i have a nexus 6 right now and only 32gb. Leef Access OTG adaptor with 128gb sdcard makes it a none issue. I never have used the IR blaster on any phone except to maybe try it out....my S tab has one. never used it.
I just loved reading all the hate yesterday after the announcement.......Im going to assume these same people will LOVE the new render of the boring looking 2015 LG Nexus.
btw, I think the Perl White is gorgeous. Im going to pair that with the UAG Magma red case.
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Remember back in 1985 when Coca-Cola changed the formula ? This change by Samsung is way worse than that bad decision. Samsung may never recover market share. R.I.P.

doctor-cool said:
Remember back in 1985 when Coca-Cola changed the formula ? This change by Samsung is way worse than that bad decision. Samsung may never recover market share. R.I.P.
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I suppose only time will tell. But for me who doesnt keep a phone for very long Im not bothered by making the decision to jump to this phone. Ill probably leave it behind anyway if the Huawei nexus is any good.

bamfsig45 said:
I suppose only time will tell. But for me who doesnt keep a phone for very long Im not bothered by making the decision to jump to this phone. Ill probably leave it behind anyway if the Huawei nexus is any good.
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I use PayPal to swipe credit cards out in the field. If I have to put my phone on a charger I will lose money. I use to carry two phones just so I would always have a hot battery. Also what's up with Samsung removing the TV remote control feature.

tigerz0202 said:
getting it and cant wait , people say it will hurt their sales but it has not slowed down apple
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Well at least Apple are capable of selling all their products on all continents. It seems Samsung think Europe would rather be palmed off with the Edge 6+ alone rather than letting the consumer decide what they want too buy. I wonder how many people will now buy another companies product because of that singular decision.

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That would be better but at some point you have to put the phone down and stick it on a battery charger. Then you no longer have a mobil phone.
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But if that time is at night when you're sleeping, who cares?

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But if that time is at night when you're sleeping, who cares?
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Yeah I'm probably spoiled because I have unlimited grandfathered data with Verizon and the rooted Developers Edition Note 4. I swap batteries 4 or 5 times a day.
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Is the Note 4 the last great dev friendly Samsung phone for the near future?

The S7 and S7 edge has a locked bootloader for US versions, and conceivably the same for the upcoming Note 6. S6, S6 edge, note 5 have no removable storage/batteries.
Awesome development on the Note 4 here, and if we possibly get Android N, I can't see myself leaving the Note 4 for a long time.
Btw, seems like LG G5 has an unlockable bootloader but it's not possible to load a custom recovery. Not good. Seems like preventing customization is becoming a trend with the newer US phones. Of course there's still the Nexus but the hardware is only ok IMHO

I'm actively looking for a dual OS phone, contract ends Cyber Monday so I got some time. so far the only decent one I've seen is the Meizu Pro 5 n can't remember exactly why but something about it kept me looking elsewhere lol

I'm keeping both of my note 4's until i know for sure if the N6 bootloader is locked or not. I plan to stay on the N4 and continuing making roms as long as I can and until I have to upgrade my phone due to it being too outdated.

The Note 4, the last great phone Samsung ever made.
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I'm keeping both of my note 4's until i know for sure if the N6 bootloader is locked or not. I plan to stay on the N4 and continuing making roms as long as I can and until I have to upgrade my phone due to it being too outdated.
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Yeay!! Thanks for giving us hope tx.
I have no desire to switch phones anytime soon. I love my note 4. It does everything I need it to do and when the battery dies I'll get a new one and the phone will be new again.

This is the best phone ever! Its Limitless!

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Yeay!! Thanks for giving us hope tx.
I have no desire to switch phones anytime soon. I love my note 4. It does everything I need it to do and when the battery dies I'll get a new one and the phone will be new again.
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i have been pondering this question since first getting the note 4 . I love everything about it, but after lollipop caused touch screen issues and battery discharge, i thought i might have to go all in for something else- tried the G4 which was def a beast but it cant stand up to this powerhouse and with marsh 6.0 falling from the heavens... everything has been fixed, including the lack of response in the screen(entire top/left corner). if i have to i will buy note 4 replacements until the software starts falling short

I have a good idea. For those of us who want to stick with the N4 due to the locked bootloaders on the new devices, just put insurance on your line and keep using the N4. By the time your N4 finally dies or if you lose or break it, you can get a insurance replacement and most likely will be given a N5 or whichever device is comparable and available at the time. Most likely there won't be anymore refurbished N4's by then. The deductable is still cheaper than the 2-year new contract prices of new high-end smartphones and cheaper than paying out installments for those who do that. So it will all work out for the better if you just wait it out and see how devices & bootloaders turn out.

My wife just got a new Note 5 for a broken Note 3!
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The Note 4, the last great phone Samsung ever made.
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So my wife's note 4 died and our insurance gave her a note 5. She admits she is non-techie and only uses basic functions and yet she still misses the note 4 functions and hardware (custom rom, IR). Long live the Note 4 and roms from tx_dbs_tx!!

You guys are lucky my note 4 stopped working and they replaced my phone with another note 4 . It took 3 days to come to the sprint store it was refurbished too
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A replaceable batter is a must! On heavy use days I have to swap out batteries by mid-afternoon. Not to mention the fact that by the end of year one your original battery doesn't last as long as it used to. I've always had to get a new battery or two before needing a new phone.
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tx_dbs_tx said:
I'm keeping both of my note 4's until i know for sure if the N6 bootloader is locked or not. I plan to stay on the N4 and continuing making roms as long as I can and until I have to upgrade my phone due to it being too outdated.
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I agree with you, a few months ago I upgraded from my Note 2 to the Note 4 and other than missing the dual modem (LTE while using calls), this is the best Android phone I have had. I plan to stick with it until theres no life left as I cant stand the stock OS's (other than the ones you touch) so I cant see myself ever using a stock phone.
If they begin to lock the bootloaders everywhere, this will royally suck for Android. The best thing about Android is the freedom so I hope these asshole manufacturers and carriers listen to their customers before they are no longer customers.

The bootloaders can be unlocked with a little time and effort. However, there is only a very small number of people with the skills to to it. My advice would be to research these talented people and support their efforts in advance

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The bootloaders can be unlocked with a little time and effort. However, there is only a very small number of people with the skills to to it. My advice would be to research these talented people and support their efforts in advance
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I think I am either getting a developer edition of whatever phone is available at the time or move to the Nexus and use vanilla AOSP.
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I find this article to be quite amusing:
http://www.sammobile.com/2016/05/10/the-galaxy-note-4-is-not-the-last-great-note-samsung-ever-made/

beezar said:
I find this article to be quite amusing:
http://www.sammobile.com/2016/05/10/the-galaxy-note-4-is-not-the-last-great-note-samsung-ever-made/
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Interesting read, I personally didn't know the EXTSDCARD changes and sealed the battery. Dumb dumb dumb, hopefully Samsung figures out in time for my upgrade or I'm buying a Nexus.
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Long story short, I updated my old note 4 from OB7 five weeks ago to marshmallow, and hated it. My replacement note 4 from Sprint had marshmallow on it, so went to 5.1.1 OG5, due to that being all I could downgrade to, and hated it as well.
After 5 weeks of being miserable, I finally made it back to OB7 via a custom rom and OB7 modem, but still on OG5 bootloader.
So, due to me not liking either 5.1.1 or 6.0.1, I will keep my note 4 until I am forced off of it, due to network changes. I will then migrate to Apple.
I didn't like the last two versions of android, so I have zero faith in Android N and being able to root a sprint note 6.

qwash6563 said:
Long story short, I updated my old note 4 from OB7 five weeks ago to marshmallow, and hated it. My replacement note 4 from Sprint had marshmallow on it, so went to 5.1.1 OG5, due to that being all I could downgrade to, and hated it as well.
After 5 weeks of being miserable, I finally made it back to OB7 via a custom rom and OB7 modem, but still on OG5 bootloader.
So, due to me not liking either 5.1.1 or 6.0.1, I will keep my note 4 until I am forced off of it, due to network changes. I will then migrate to Apple.
I didn't like the last two versions of android, so I have zero faith in Android N and being able to root a sprint note 6.
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Why go to Apple? That's the worst thing you could do. You couldn't pay me to use those overpriced pieces of trash.
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Why the Note 4 is King

A friend of mine asked yesterday which phone I think he should upgrade to from the Note 3. Despite all of the newer editions from LG, HTC, and Samsung, I still feel that for power users the Note 4 is hands down the best Android phone ever made for Verizon.
The list of benefits for the Note 4 is plethora: Root. Unlock Bootloader. Replaceable battery. SD card support. MHL. USB on-the-go. IR blaster. Great ROM support up to MM. S-pen.Wireless charging option. Gorgeous screen. Incredibly durable build quality.
Unless I am mistaken, this combination of benefits is not available on any other Verizon phone.

Don't for get about the nexus 6. In my opinion that's the only device that can even come close to the newly rooted and BL unlockable N4! I had a nexus 6 and it's a bad ass device and fast as hell all around great phone. Only thing I didn't like was the N6 didn't have SD card slot, and N6 doesn't have type C plug,like the rest of the devices have. I only got the nexus 6 because I wanted root and the option to BL/unlock. Not being able to do that to the N4 at the time is what kept me away from it. Now I have the LG v10 (VZW) it's rooted but in my opinion that's all it's ever gonna get and I'm still on 5.1. MM doesn't have root yet for v10. I want a note 4 really really bad.
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I had the v10. Nice phone. As is the G5. The ability to "learn" IR codes is great with LG.
I use the s-pen far too often, though. I sold it and got developers N4.
Retail N4 are quite cheap... temp root while unlocking bootloader is a pain but the result is fantastic!

I just recently had a warranty exchange and they offered me anything from a note 5 down and I had to go for the N4. With the bl unlocked, this is the device to have. I only wish more developers would return. Let's face it, the N5 wasn't a big improvement and only recently got root. Roms may be a long time coming. The n7 is right around the corner and rooting that will probably take a year or better. Roms are anyone's guess. Now I do want the n7 but only with root and roms. The N4 had both already and room to grow.

The few ROMS we have are quite good. I still use Jasmin and love it. CM13 coming along nicely.

I wouldnt say it's King of the Hill anymore but it's still better than 90% of all smartphones. The simple fact that it has a removable battery AND expandable storage is a rare and desirable combination.

I sold my note 4 DE before the retail was unlocked and tried the nexus 6p with project fi, and while the 6p is great, fi sucked compared to the verizon MVNO for coverage. Since the 6p doesn't have two radios, I couldn't get simultaneous voice and data using the vzw mvno on the 6p, so I have purchased a note 4 retail and converted it to DE and I'm a happy camper again

Truth is retail DE is better than true DE. You don't get the brightness slider and mic issues.

BinaryDemon said:
I wouldnt say it's King of the Hill anymore but it's still better than 90% of all smartphones. The simple fact that it has a removable battery AND expandable storage is a rare and desirable combination.
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Root, unlocked bootloader, SD, battery, IR blaster, MHL video out, USB-OTG... can you show me what else offers that?

I just bought and unlocked bootloader on 2 note 4s and I am thinking I will agree that this will be the best because of its versatility for a long time. U forgot it also has quick charge and from what I've read works with the smart dock (which is great on its own). I'm going to sell one of them. I'm thinking it'll be worth at least 50-100 more on swappa work the unlocked bootloader. What do u think?

Quick charge and media dock for sure work. I use them often. Another unmentioned perk is the audio latency that allows the note 4 to be used with mics and guitar pickups. Never really advertised but great nonetheless.
Most ppl on swappa dont care about BL unlock...

Compared to the hardware specs of most of the recent flagships, the Note 4 holds up well.
Besides, mine is paid for.

Telemachus said:
Quick charge and media dock for sure work. I use them often. Another unmentioned perk is the audio latency that allows the note 4 to be used with mics and guitar pickups. Never really advertised but great nonetheless.
Most ppl on swappa dont care about BL unlock...
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I upgraded from the Note 2.
Back in the day I pre-ordered three note 4's One DE and two Retails. I could never really sync them together because they were on different ROMs. Now that the retail is rooted I can clone them with TWRP so I always have a up and running back- up. I use them for business and security so a replaceable battery is essential. I can't be tied down to a battery charger. I go through three to five batteries every day. We need to erect a statue to beaups for unlocking the bootloader of the Verizon Note 4. He is almost like a god. Thanks a million.

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I upgraded from the Note 2.
Back in the day I pre-ordered three note 4's One DE and two Retails. I could never really sync them together because they were on different ROMs. Now that the retail is rooted I can clone them with TWRP so I always have a up and running back- up. I use them for business and security so a replaceable battery is essential. I can't be tied down to a battery charger. I go through three to five batteries every day. We need to erect a statue to beaups for unlocking the bootloader of the Verizon Note 4. He is almost like a god. Thanks a million.
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Unfortunately, my DE doesn't work as well as my retail. Brightness slider issues on several ROMS and worse mics. Ppl cant understand me on speakerphone...

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Unfortunately, my DE doesn't work as well as my retail. Brightness slider issues on several ROMS and worse mics. Ppl cant understand me on speakerphone...
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nothing wrong with my DE it is in mint condition. The screen brightness is week due to two years of use. One of my Retails is corrupted it lags. I rooted with Knox Security active and it got f-ed up but it's under Samsung factory warranty so I need to figure out how to make a claim.

Likely you just need a different kernal. Multisystem kernel fixed lagging for me.

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Likely you just need a different kernal. Multisystem kernel fixed lagging for me.
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now that you mentioned it the multisystem kernel maybe what caused the problem now I may somehow need it. I'll give it another try. Thanks

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now that you mentioned it the multisystem kernel maybe what caused the problem now I may somehow need it. I'll give it another try. Thanks
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]please let us know your success as I have the same problem

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Unfortunately, my DE doesn't work as well as my retail. Brightness slider issues on several ROMS and worse mics. Ppl cant understand me on speakerphone...
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Take the plunge at least update your bootloader to BPA lollipop bootloader. Look up a YouTube video on how unlock the phone after you flash the retail firmware to get fimiliar with what you have to do. I had an issue with the first attempt after I rooted that it would bootloop. It required another flash of the retail firmware and I was good. I'm updated to cpd1 mm bootloader. I'm gonna find some good s7 ports eventually to work for our phone. I got you guys.

I did finally take the plunge and convert my DE into a retail.
With the coming and explosive goings of the Note 7, and the flop that was the Note 5, I still hold that the Note 4 is the King of Verizon Android phones.
With CM nougat builds, and great 6.0.1 Roms, the Note 4 offers more than any other phone on the market.
LG v20 is the only thing that comes close, but the lack of S-pen is a deal killer.
Long live the Note 4!!