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Will pure AOSP Froyo ROM ever be a reality on Samsung Galaxy S devices?

Im thinking of getting a Epic 4g when they are released but Im very hesitant on this because what I have read about Samsung devices being "locked down". First off I prefer AOSP over touch wiz or sense, and I hoping to see this possible on theses devices someday. From what I have seen this may come down to a driver issue as they are encrypted by Samsung. I also want to use Wifi Tether too. Id like anyone who knows about theses devices to shed some light on this and help me make a decision. I dont understand why manufactures feel they need to put crap onto of Android when is more usable with out it. I just wish Samsung they just gave us the option of either roms.

WhiteWidows said:
Im thinking of getting a Epic 4g when they are released but Im very hesitant on this because what I have read about Samsung devices being "locked down". First off I prefer AOSP over touch wiz or sense, and I hoping to see this possible on theses devices someday. From what I have seen this may come down to a driver issue as they are encrypted by Samsung. I also want to use Wifi Tether too. Id like anyone who knows about theses devices to shed some light on this and help me make a decision. I dont understand why manufactures feel they need to put crap onto of Android when is more usable with out it. I just wish Samsung they just gave us the option of either roms.
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you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html

jodue said:
you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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This contradicts what I read elsewhere for the better Ill see if I can locate where I read this at, If this is the case why is there no custom roms besides Cyanogenmod? Where is a AOSP roms at? Or is the device just that new nothing is out yet? If this is true Ill be getting the Epic over the Evo

Wifi tether comes with the device, and I have to say I haven't had any problems with its use so far
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While trying this and putting my N1 aside, I'm surprised how much I'm missing FroYo
Any devs that would care to comment on the possibility of a FroYo port for the SGS?

jodue said:
you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.

riz157 said:
sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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What nonsense

I'm a little confused about the situation with ROMs myself, coming from the Windows Mobile world. If the entire source to the build of Android on the Galaxy S is available, surely it's possible to change anything, theoretically? It also seems that the bootloader has no or negligible security as to what it can flash.
On the other hand, I've seen claims that it would be impossible to get Froyo or any future Android updates if Samsung don't release them first (I know they've committed to Froyo). Unless the driver model changes dramatically in Froyo, which I doubt since then new drivers would be required for every phone, why would it be any more difficult to port newer versions of Android to the Galaxy S than any other phone?

riz157 said:
sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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Why do you say this? I purchased mine today and so far am very satisfied with
the phone.

Just testing xda app.
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jodue said:
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No, it's just that there are different components and layers which can be considered open or "locked down", and you both use different ones.
The bootloader for the samsung galaxy is not locked.
But there is an argument by the XDA forum member psychoace that some of the drivers for the galaxy S were not open sourced, and that in earlier android devices from samsung this made it very hard to create ROMs which are not based on Samsung's own ROMs.
As far as I know, this argument from psychoace was never countered, and so I see no reason not to believe it. (I did not look over the sources myself yet).
So can someone port new versions of Android over to the Galaxy S after Samsung has abandoned the device? I really don't know, but I wouldn't count on it, until someone who has experience with making custom ROMs says it is realistic.

The reason I state this is because other then the graphics, video playback, camera there is not much to shout about this device. The lagging is awful, it can't cope with multi tasking compared to say aswell the desire. The issue with the keyboard lagging. Internet crashing for no apparent reason. It seems as the samy gs cant handle the goodies packed into this device. No trackball, flash or led which is very useful.
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riz157 said:
The reason I state this is because other then the graphics, video playback, camera there is not much to shout about this device. The lagging is awful, it can't cope with multi tasking compared to say aswell the desire. The issue with the keyboard lagging. Internet crashing for no apparent reason. It seems as the samy gs cant handle the goodies packed into this device. No trackball, flash or led which is very useful.
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as far as i understand it, the lagging issues are just because of the touchwiz and especially the samsung-widgets. removing the widgets and replacing the luncher with luncher-pro/adw will be the first thing i do when i have the device in my hands. on the other side: the hardware of the galaxy s is very good in my opinion!
@bookwormat:
i think you are wrong! i have read in some forums that samsung has released the drivers for 2.1 together with all other code! in fact i am just pulling the code (including the full kernel) from the samsung open source center (http://opensource.samsung.com/). it's huge, 148MB ... when it's finished i will give it a look an confirm what's in there and what not.

You might just want to take into consideration the fact that the Nexus and Desire had some problems as well right after launch.
The nexus took some time ( a couple of months) to set things straight, the Desire- A couple of weeks only. But it's understandable, since it's 95% identical to the nexus, so HTC probably knew what is going to be problematic.
Also, you're taking things to major extremes. You make it sound like the device is catastrophically slow to the level of being unuseable, and crashes every 2 minutes.
Reality, well, is different. The longest lag i had personally is 1.5 seconds when loading asphalt 5. Every other lag when opening an app- less than half a second.
I'd also like you to refrain from stating one personal problem as a bug in the device, you are the only known member in this forum that is having trouble with the keyboard.
A little search in MoDaCo forums reveals that some users are reporting slight problems with the keyboard, but it's limited to Firmware JG01 only.
It's sad that instead of taking a moment to see if you can solve these problems or helping others find a solution, you preffer to bash the device in every occasion.

For some reason Riz is really down on his SGS and to such an extent that it seems he's got a grudge against the device. Sell it or trade it in if it really makes you that unhappy.
For me it's really an awesome phone that comes with some minor annoyances that seem entirely caused by the fact that it's brand new. So far it appears that Samsung is putting a lot of effort in maturing the software and I expect the issues to be solved within a matter of weeks. In all reality it would take about 10 minutes to setup a new phone and have it operate well without even upgrading any firmware. A simple switch to launcherpro followed by a root with update.zip and then installing autokiller (i use strict profile) will solve 99% of the lag problems.
Battery life is very good after the first initial cycles.
GPS doesn't work right you may all ***** about that.
I'm sure I would be happy with the new HTC's, or even the iphone 4 (the thought of buying into apple's nasty attitude does make me cringe a bit) but I would still choose the SGS again providing they fix the gps.

Perhaps I'm being over critical but there are serious flaws with this device, there is no denying this.
GPS not working - there doesn't seem to be a solution, can't use copilot or googlemaps.
Lagging/freezing - changed to launcher pro not as bad but still occurs.
I hope the boys at samy are working hard to find fixes for these problems. If there are solutions then please guide me to them.
Don't get me wrong this device has potential and there alot of good features but due to issues mentioned above it just ruins the users experience.
I paid good money for this device not so that I could put it down but to use it. I'm just stating my experience for the benefit of others who maybe considering to buy this device.
If there are solutions wonderful p

dakine said:
For some reason Riz is really down on his SGS and to such an extent that it seems he's got a grudge against the device. Sell it or trade it in if it really makes you that unhappy.
In all reality it would take about 10 minutes to setup a new phone and have it operate well without even upgrading any firmware. A simple switch to launcherpro followed by a root with update.zip and then installing autokiller (i use strict profile) will solve 99% of the lag problems.
Okay - could you please give me link to guide on rooting.
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I really dont uderstand all this gps not working talk.I use co pilot a lot and its extremely accurate and keeps lock in all weathers.Googe maps works indoors to within a house or so and out side gets me within 15 feet or so.I did have gps issues initially until I flashed firmware and factory reset.My i8910 hd had better gps but that was an exeptional phone for gps

Okay - could you please give me link to guide on rooting.
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Download the update.zip file from this thread.
Or direct link here
Copy the file to the internal storage card of the phone using Kies or whatever method you like.
Disconnect the usb cable
Turn off the phone
Press and hold these buttons at the same time: volume up+home+power, keep them pressed until you see the samsung logo.
Use volume rocker to navigate to update.zip and then press home to select.
Phone will reboot and you are now rooted with superuser.
The whole process takes less than 5 minutes.
I'm not responsible for anything

I like the phone but there are problems
1.keyboard has dup presses... solved with HTC keyboard. Also l key in portrait mode doesn't always work.
2. Gps lock not as good or reliable as my I 8910
3. StallING.. fix fixed it the only program that has a lag to load is sygic.
4. Image resizing not working well in gallery and web.
5. Still doesn't always switch back to 3g from edge. Jg1 is better than previous.
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I've paid money to Samsung. Not to Cyanogen guy.

OK. We all have buggy gingerbread stock roms from samsung. That's impossible to play dungeon defenders on gingerbread for an example.
Froyo has two times better FPS on stock. Some 3D games lagging and dungeon defenders is unplayable with new gingerbread. Amazing smooth with cm7.
-Phone FC by years and years.
-Still there is a small lag with rfs and also with ext4.
-GPS is still horrible.
-RAM issues with touchwiz parts.
-Can't record video with front cam.
-Can't download most of file formats with stock browser.
-Stock browser is so smooth but touch trigger is sooooo wrong. I click to A and It opens B.
etc...
-Changing volume during playing music when backlight off is interesting. Totally muting?
-Software update takes 7 mb of ram. (wssyncmlnps) We have offical kies updates 1 or 2 month periods. And that eats my 7 mb of very limited ram every second?
-OMG I have free 10.000 free sms not MMS. And that stupid converting it to mms after 3 sms. I have brain to do this.
-I have ugly yellow tint on my samoled. Why I need voodoo to fix it? OK I've paid to supercurio. or samsung? Samsung?
-Press reader app NEVER WORKS.
When I go for CyanogenMod I feel what I have on my hands.
We all paid money to samsung. And look how this guys imporive a amazing rom daily. http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=galaxysmtd FOR FREE?.
Now we can get ICS or not. It's a chance. WHY? I can't understand really.
But If we get it. We have wait 7 months. Why? It will be buggy after 7 months or 17 months.
What do you think about this?

Cyanogen works for Samsung.

upichie said:
Cyanogen works for Samsung.
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Maybe but still not enough for offical samsung. Is it?

burakgon said:
Maybe but still not enough for offical samsung. Is it?
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I'm not entirely sure I understand your thread.
There will probably be a new CyanogenMod that is based off of ICS source code once available. Or are you trying to show distaste for Samsung's update policy? If that's the case, then check this thread out. You'll find some sympathetic souls there.

What he means is that we should demand quality from Samsung, they sold us the phone they should be responsible for giving us quality software.
Everyone get's happy with custom roms, i'm not, i want Samsung to fix the problems, i want to use kies, i want quality from standard channels.
So far this is the most disappointing phone i ever bought.

calbertoferreira said:
What he means is that we should demand quality from Samsung, they sold us the phone they should be responsible for giving us quality software.
Everyone get's happy with custom roms, i'm not, i want Samsung to fix the problems, i want to use kies, i want quality from standard channels.
So far this is the most disappointing phone i ever bought.
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Well that seems a little harsh to me. It's not as if they didn't update it at all. Oh well. I'm a fan of the custom ROMs, so I probably don't entirely understand your concern.

I imagined this phone as a perfect phone, but it's far from it:
- Slow downs do to RFS
- GPS is ... i can't describe it, it got better after 3rd time in warranty but still bad
- Radio is mono
- Crashes (the phone completely frose when it changed daylight savings time)
- In Gingerbread the phone can't handle some 3d games
In some seconds this is what i remember.
We've got and Android phone that is at the same level with iphone, compare your experience with both of them..
I know i'm being harsh, if it was an 100€ phone i wouldn't complain to much, but this phone was expensive when i bought it.

Indeed.
Cyanogen seems to be doing for this phone what samsung could never get done.
Samsung software sucks, always has, they don't seem to bother to produce good coding.
Bugs exist and they'll always will, what's wrong here is they need to be addressed by proper official channels, not 3rd party developers. They don't, even when new versions are released (ex: the 100% charged, power cord plugged in, draining battery comes to mind, etc)
Actually, don't think they ever do much from update to update. I keep seeing people complaining at forums from the same bugs they had before, so no real bugfixing is getting done.
And if they don't even fix bugs, i don't think optimization is happening either.
While we're at it, i'd like to see a proper website maintained by samsung with the official releases, updates and proper changelogs telling what they done.
I may be wrong but everytime there is a new official rom, came from someone who plugged kies and found it out or a leak/post on some obscure place, never from an official announcement.
I've stopped believing in samsung's software. Sadly, nothing much can be done except stop buying their stuff. But their hardware is still good and my options aren't that great: the iphone makes me feel like a retard that needs to be handfed, HTC's a next best, but don't really fancy HTC's sense (or hardware, they use physical buttons too much), LG is a plain "no way" (my SGS feels soother than any LG dualcore i've tried), motorola isn't even available here and nexus don't have an SD card slot for some odd reason (it's really convenient and was a dealbreaker for me with nexus S).
So i'll suck it up. My most sincere thank you to Cyanogen team (and every rom developers out there) for providing me with everything samsung never could. They're free, but to be honest, I'd gladly pay for a job well done.

I too have enormous respect for these cyanogen guys. I couldn't keep a GB rom on my phone for more than a day without FCs, reboots etc. when the phone rang I wanted to be able to talk to someone, not hear a deafening nothingness ... Or the ultimate wtf ... a phone that rebooted every second time I answered it.
CM7 is the biz. Thanks
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calbertoferreira said:
So far this is the most disappointing phone i ever bought.
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And how many "smartphone" did you had before?
I had 2 WinMobile (6.5) before, both HTC, and the quality of either the OS and the phone doesn't even come close to the SGS...

also cm is not 100% working for i9000 - still some functions missing stil some errors
do not worry we will get the ics - most probably official kies releaase will be Q2/Q3 2012
so lets hope that it will leak fster like gb this year ;]
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- Slow downs do to RFS
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there are none - sorry maybe perform test when the media scanner stopst all of its scanning not during that or rigth after boot, or during
'tweaked rfs' presented with 2.3.5 performs basicly the same as ext4 on nexuss
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- GPS is ... i can't describe it, it got better after 3rd time in warranty but still bad
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gps was a problem from the launch day - nothing changed that was well know issue - still gps is enought for car navigation at least and depends on firmware version for sport tracking
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- Radio is mono
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radio is stereo, mono is an apple rumour i guess
was mono in early froyo releases
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- Crashes (the phone completely frose when it changed daylight savings time)
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never happened to me on stock odex or on odex with cfroot, jvt also fixed infamous Black Screen ff Death
fc/freeze is caused by custom kernels and crappy rom/theme
only well known FC is phone one - and it seems to be fixed by samsung in latest carier firmwares
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In Gingerbread the phone can't handle some 3d games
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this is not gamming console

Samsung should also allow and work with other developers to make roms for there phones because in the end all they want is to sell there hardware

dadyal said:
Samsung should also allow and work with other developers to make roms for there phones because in the end all they want is to sell there hardware
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They hired Cyanogen, did they not?

upichie said:
They hired Cyanogen, did they not?
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OK but that affects what? Where is samsunogen mod?

burakgon said:
OK but that affects what? Where is samsunogen mod?
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The other guy suggested that Samsung should start working with developers. Well, they are. They're working with probably one of the most famous devs around here (at least last I heard).

Samsung has really messed up rom development.
Without xda this phone would be useless..
Also they are forgetting sgs 1 owners and can´t produce one working rom..
My next phone isn´t going to be Samsung or Htc.
I had 3Gs and i was pretty happy with it when it was on jb.
Let´s hope that Samsung do something about this problem and fast.
Two years is pretty long time to wait one working rom without bugs..

$omator said:
this is not gamming console
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This is not but this must run android games. Not console games. If possible with cm7 why not with stock?

Well, I don't know if you guys are like me, but I DID paid cyanogenmod team...
Once they released 7.1 stable, I paid immediately.

$omator said:
also cm is not 100% working for i9000 - still some functions missing stil some errors
do not worry we will get the ics - most probably official kies releaase will be Q2/Q3 2012
so lets hope that it will leak fster like gb this year ;]
there are none - sorry maybe perform test when the media scanner stopst all of its scanning not during that or rigth after boot, or during
'tweaked rfs' presented with 2.3.5 performs basicly the same as ext4 on nexuss
gps was a problem from the launch day - nothing changed that was well know issue - still gps is enought for car navigation at least and depends on firmware version for sport tracking
radio is stereo, mono is an apple rumour i guess
was mono in early froyo releases
never happened to me on stock odex or on odex with cfroot, jvt also fixed infamous Black Screen ff Death
fc/freeze is caused by custom kernels and crappy rom/theme
only well known FC is phone one - and it seems to be fixed by samsung in latest carier firmwares
this is not gamming console
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Dear friend $omator i'm using Stock JVA, and all the issues i told you are true I've tried to liston some FM music with my Seinheiser phones and it sounds mono, or the bass is almost non existent , gps can barely be used for car navigation, this is not a gamming console but it has a 3d chip, what is it doing on my phone ?

They hired Cyanogen, but he is still in the cyanogenmod team. We will still get cyanogenmod for free.
By the way those problems doesn't bother, since I don't use firmwares from manufacturers anyway.

Bad updating experience with Samsung

Hello guys, how are you doing?
I just wanted to share with you my own opinion over how Samsung deals with updates to a Galaxy Note 10.1.
Actually, many users have reported software bugs in Galaxy Note 10.1 and Samsung confirmed many like the bug of clipboard. But the bad part is Samsung ignorance of bug fixing. It is good that we will receive 4.1.2 update with premium suite preinstalled, but it is bad that we did not receive a bug fixing package!
It has been several months since the launch of the Note 10.1 that many owners of the product started to get frustrated of the bugs. I cannot copy an article and save it as note in S Note app or share it in Facebook!
Besides, Samsung released JB 4.1.1 update to some regions, stopped then started releasing 4.1.2 in the time users still have the buggy 4.0.4 for many months in several countries, if not most! Even though 4.1.1 has stability issues, Samsung shall fix current bugs of 4.0.4 before caring to release a major 4.1.2, as this needs a quite long time by Samsung for a frustrating bug to remain!
Software is as important as hardware. I do not care for receiving a new major update with hundreds of new features, as we will receive it soon or later! But for me, a stable software with only two features is far far better than a buggy one with hundreds of cool features that I am unable to use!
Samsung used to release improvement packages and push them to their software update server for their products, but it is really strange why this is not the case for Note 10.1!
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You write that you are still on N8000XXLGA.
Sorry man, but it is your fault if you chose not to update by flashing the newest firmware.
Thanks to Samsung, Samfirmware and XDA, you have this option.
Other big companies, for example Acer, LG, will not even give you this.
So why do you not update?

tweetatoo said:
Hello guys, how are you doing?
I just wanted to share with you my own opinion over how Samsung deals with updates to a Galaxy Note 10.1.
Actually, many users have reported software bugs in Galaxy Note 10.1 and Samsung confirmed many like the bug of clipboard. But the bad part is Samsung ignorance of bug fixing. It is good that we will receive 4.1.2 update with premium suite preinstalled, but it is bad that we did not receive a bug fixing package!
It has been several months since the launch of the Note 10.1 that many owners of the product started to get frustrated of the bugs. I cannot copy an article and save it as note in S Note app or share it in Facebook!
Besides, Samsung released JB 4.1.1 update to some regions, stopped then started releasing 4.1.2 in the time users still have the buggy 4.0.4 for many months in several countries, if not most! Even though 4.1.1 has stability issues, Samsung shall fix current bugs of 4.0.4 before caring to release a major 4.1.2, as this needs a quite long time by Samsung for a frustrating bug to remain!
Software is as important as hardware. I do not care for receiving a new major update with hundreds of new features, as we will receive it soon or later! But for me, a stable software with only two features is far far better than a buggy one with hundreds of cool features that I am unable to use!
Samsung used to release improvement packages and push them to their software update server for their products, but it is really strange why this is not the case for Note 10.1!
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Agreed, I had to resort to manually flashing the German JB update to "fix" the PDF import problem on my Canadian N8010. I feel sorry for the average customer that bought the Note but doesn't know how (or even think) to flash a firmware.
This is why Samsung will remain a second-rate manufacturer of mobile devices: ineffective software QA and silly update rollout schedules.

Samsung is known for slow firmware updates, mostly due to the most customization of android in the world. Second-rate manufacturer? Not sure about that my friend. You are smart enough to Google Samsung.

This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:

Riki1kenobi said:
This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:
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Likewise i fail to see why XDA Developers has so many users wanting Samsung update path posting .
First job i do is remove Kies and OTA .
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Riki1kenobi said:
This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:
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Haha... so true... hehe... I like your humor...

The note isn't my first Android tablet, but it is the best that I've owned to date. My first Android tablet was an Archos 101. In addition to poor quality control that led to dead USB ports and speakers on multiple units while under warranty, the company's constant push of half-backed updates drove me and others away from that brand. You need to test code changes to make sure one "fix" doesn't break something else. Archos engineers didn't test updates thoroughly and rushed out updates that created additional issues. I quit updating that tablet. Thank goodness Samsung is more diligent. No OS is perfect and some of the things we might be unhappy with really are deliberate design features that Google incorporated into JB (or, in your case ICS). I would also suggest that you update to JB, you'll gain valuable features with the s-pen. At this point in time, I am happy with stock JB. I will probably root it soon (I wanted to use it on stock JB for a while before rooting). Eventually, I may flash one of the custom ROMs developed by the talented developers on this forum. The great thing about the popularity of Samsung products is that the popularity generates more developer interest, a big win for adventurous owners willing to root and flash.

Riki1kenobi said:
This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:
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Having to do all that is, to me, what is required from buying a second or third-rate product. I wouldn't buy a car, for example, and be happy to expect that I need to change the spark plugs or some nonsense when I bring it home.
I mess around with R/C cars and I have in the past bought crappy cars because I enjoy tinkering and making them better, but I don't want or expect to do that with a mass market product lol.

skadebo said:
Having to do all that is, to me, what is required from buying a second or third-rate product. I wouldn't buy a car, for example, and be happy to expect that I need to change the spark plugs or some nonsense when I bring it home.
I mess around with R/C cars and I have in the past bought crappy cars because I enjoy tinkering and making them better, but I don't want or expect to do that with a mass market product lol.
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Nice analogy er, maybe not...... Thing is, no one is forcing you to update/upgrade/tinker. An update message pops up from time to time on the device and you click ok and it installs. That is as simple as it gets. That's NOT what we are talking about here though. We are talking about folks getting their flossy in a twizzie because a newer version of the OS is available and it hasn't been pushed to their device yet.
I have never seen anything written anywhere on the terms and conditions of any device I have bought that states I am entitled to get any upgrade to OR should expect to be updated to the latest software. In fact, iirc it says that on occasion an update may, yes MAY become available for the device and to either follow the onscreen instructions or visit (insert website here) for instructions on how to update.
Now to get back to the point, peeps EXPECT TO GET THE LATEST UPDATE, but they don't want to follow the instructions to do it. These instructions are usually made as simple as 1-2-3 so that even the technologically challenged can follow them. Turns out they ain't simple enough for some though and then the moaning and bleating begins, followed by the blaming. My device is stuffed, Samsung is rubbish, this cheese toastie is mouldy etc, but you never hear anyone saying, aargh fecked it up but it was my fault, I was born with two left brains or life is like a box of chocolates lieutenant Dan!
Sorry for such a long post. But I hope it helps clear things a tad

Riki1kenobi said:
Nice analogy er, maybe not...... Thing is, no one is forcing you to update/upgrade/tinker. An update message pops up from time to time on the device and you click ok and it installs. That is as simple as it gets. That's NOT what we are talking about here though. We are talking about folks getting their flossy in a twizzie because a newer version of the OS is available and it hasn't been pushed to their device yet.
I have never seen anything written anywhere on the terms and conditions of any device I have bought that states I am entitled to get any upgrade to OR should expect to be updated to the latest software. In fact, iirc it says that on occasion an update may, yes MAY become available for the device and to either follow the onscreen instructions or visit (insert website here) for instructions on how to update.
Now to get back to the point, peeps EXPECT TO GET THE LATEST UPDATE, but they don't want to follow the instructions to do it. These instructions are usually made as simple as 1-2-3 so that even the technologically challenged can follow them. Turns out they ain't simple enough for some though and then the moaning and bleating begins, followed by the blaming. My device is stuffed, Samsung is rubbish, this cheese toastie is mouldy etc, but you never hear anyone saying, aargh fecked it up but it was my fault, I was born with two left brains or life is like a box of chocolates lieutenant Dan!
Sorry for such a long post. But I hope it helps clear things a tad
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This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:
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Your advices are sick my friend. For me, I did flash many firmwares of other regions onto my devices. But in the same time, good may be overwhelmed by bad things. These 1-2-3 steps were sometimes helpful and other times disasterous! For example, I have flashed many firmwares before on my Galaxy S i9003, Galaxy S II i9100, and my latest Galaxy S III.
For unknown reason, my Galaxy S III got bricked and went into a boot loop. It was not a noticed hardware failure neither it was a corrupt Odin package, but for some reason, a hidden hardware failure has become obvious following the flash. Samsung has reported that the motherboard was completely damaged and that unofficial firmware flashing of different CSCs was the cause. It could be also a manufacturing error. Whatever it is, I was lucky that Samsung did not void my warranty as it was rooted at that time with the flash counter > 0.
Besides, I have more than five Samsung Galaxy devices in the house, and they look to me as their software geek!! Whenever an update is released, I cannot say always to them yes, and let me flash things to you!!!!
Besides, why am I supposed to flash the German one? For the learning hub that does not work in my country? Or for Music and Video hubs that are also forbidden in my Country?! And why does Samsung have all these software variability? Why does not they make a united software with custom configurations based on country; like Apple?! Apple used to release the update worldwide with blocking un-allowed features based on country chosen!
I love to update using OTA; AS SIMPLE AS THAT, apart from all the BLA BLA BLA you have said!!!

no one is forcing you to upgrade, after all it's your tablet and you can do whatever you want, i am still on ICS and plan to stay that way for a while because i feel personally it's stable for me and works, i don't really care about new features i will hardly use, best thing is to root and then you can decide if you want to upgrade your tablet at a later date or not, the option is still there with odin.
i too also prefer uk firmware because some features that are on the uk firmware won't specifically be on the german firmware, different regions different features.

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Besides, why am I supposed to flash the German one? For the learning hub that does not work in my country? Or for Music and Video hubs that are also forbidden in my Country?! And why does Samsung have all these software variability? Why does not they make a united software with custom configurations based on country; like Apple?! Apple used to release the update worldwide with blocking un-allowed features based on country chosen!
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i too also prefer uk firmware because some features that are on the uk firmware won't specifically be on the german firmware, different regions different features.
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Hehehe The biggest joke of all is that the UK version is INCLUDED into the German version. You just need to change csc and you have the UK firmware, not a firmware LIKE the uk firmware but THE UK firmware.
Some people just prefer to complain instead of moving a finger themselves.

Just flashed premium bugs 4.1.2... not bad so far! Well woth the upgrade from ics unless you use the gallery, as that isn't fixed!

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I love to update using OTA; AS SIMPLE AS THAT, apart from all the BLA BLA BLA you have said!!!
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Then stop being a complainawhinger then and just wait for Samsung to deliver your update to you OTA. While you're waiting for it I'll continue to try and help people wanting to update to the latest version, with my sick, but helpful advice, :good:

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Then stop being a complainawhinger then and just wait for Samsung to deliver your update to you OTA. While you're waiting for it I'll continue to try and help people wanting to update to the latest version, with my sick, but helpful advice, :good:
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haha we need more people like you Riki1kenobi... some fun but helpful post... :laugh:
people should not get easily offended over some jokes the man was just trying to help... and as JJEgan said i also can't understand why so many xda members here are waiting for ota updates... i understand that xda is the place to look for all things android but really the 1st step you should do is not rely on kies and learn some odin and flashing..
but hell we're all in one community... there are always some whiners and whatever kind of people and that just adds to the fun of being here on xda..

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Nice analogy er, maybe not...... Thing is, no one is forcing you to update/upgrade/tinker. An update message pops up from time to time on the device and you click ok and it installs. That is as simple as it gets. That's NOT what we are talking about here though. We are talking about folks getting their flossy in a twizzie because a newer version of the OS is available and it hasn't been pushed to their device yet.
I have never seen anything written anywhere on the terms and conditions of any device I have bought that states I am entitled to get any upgrade to OR should expect to be updated to the latest software. In fact, iirc it says that on occasion an update may, yes MAY become available for the device and to either follow the onscreen instructions or visit (insert website here) for instructions on how to update.
Now to get back to the point, peeps EXPECT TO GET THE LATEST UPDATE, but they don't want to follow the instructions to do it. These instructions are usually made as simple as 1-2-3 so that even the technologically challenged can follow them. Turns out they ain't simple enough for some though and then the moaning and bleating begins, followed by the blaming. My device is stuffed, Samsung is rubbish, this cheese toastie is mouldy etc, but you never hear anyone saying, aargh fecked it up but it was my fault, I was born with two left brains or life is like a box of chocolates lieutenant Dan!
Sorry for such a long post. But I hope it helps clear things a tad
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I absolutely, totally agree with you. People see something new and they just WANT to update, because we are consumer whores.
However, I needed to update to fix the notorious PDF import problem in S-Note (as noted in first post in this thread). Basically, if I wanted to import PDFs from school into S-Note, S-Note would crash. This only happens to specific versions of the N8010 firmware (Canada being one of them).
I don't come looking for fights etc. as a lot of people do, I just speak (sometimes shout!) the truth.

Different regions /countries have different legal requirements which I suspect is one of the big delays for some regions. If you want everything done for you (OTA) , be patient and stup reading forums lokking for the latest updateor you will never be happy.
Of course you could also encourage your government to remove some of the restrictions, but for that I think you will be waiting much longer! I for one am amazed the updates get out as quickly as they do, re-evaluating every rom in every country for legal issues has to be a very expensive nightmare. Samsung is a big international company, ignoring regional laws is not really an option.
Sent from my GT-N8010 using xda premium

I have lost my hope that New Zealand will be able to get JB Update. So now after reading many threads for months I am plunging into this forum to know how I can update my machine.
My tablet
Model Number
GT-N8000
Baseband version
N8000XXALI3
Android version
4.0.4
1. Please suggest me which firmware is going to be suitable for my tablet
2. If tomorrow NZ firmware is released and I be able to flash it manually will it be back to normal for OTA upgrades ?
Thanks

l. Put German Jellybean
2. Yes
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Note 7 Always On Display?

Does Anybody Have Any Clue About The S7 Getting An Update With The New AoD Features Announced With The Note 7?.. I've Heard That Samsung Updated The S7 AoD, But I Haven't Gotten Any Update.. Hope It's Not Carrier Dependent

All I can say is that Samsung has not been known to bring features from a particular device to previous or other devices. So my best guess would be that no, features particular to the Note 7 will not find their way to the S7. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

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All I can say is that Samsung has not been known to bring features from a particular device to previous or other devices. So my best guess would be that no, features particular to the Note 7 will not find their way to the S7. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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I think the S7 will get updated eventually, there's no reason it shouldn't.. Plus the Always on Display isn't "particular" to the Note 7.. Its just using an updated version of the app, which now allows 3rd party apps to be displayed. The S7 is definitely capable, because it's using the same technology as the Note 7. Which Past Features are you referring to?.. That usually only happens with an outdated phone or if the hardware doesn't allow it. In this case, the S7 hasn't even been out a year yet & the AoD is the same in the Note 7. I think it's only a matter of time.

What about apk from Note7 for S7/S7e, for AOD? I hope that maybe someone will port apk...

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I think the S7 will get updated eventually, there's no reason it shouldn't.. Plus the Always on Display isn't "particular" to the Note 7.. Its just using an updated version of the app, which now allows 3rd party apps to be displayed. The S7 is definitely capable, because it's using the same technology as the Note 7. Which Past Features are you referring to?.. That usually only happens with an outdated phone or if the hardware doesn't allow it. In this case, the S7 hasn't even been out a year yet & the AoD is the same in the Note 7. I think it's only a matter of time.
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I have had every Samsung Galaxy phone from the S2 to the S7, skipping the S6. Samsung has never brought features from the newer device to the older device, despite the older device being fully capable. Example, no TouchWiz improvements, debloating, etc ever came to the older devices from the newer devices. My dad still uses the Note 3. The s-pen features specific to the Note 4 never made it to the Note 3, despite the device being fully capable. Like I said, I could be wrong, but I don't expect to see any features from the Note 7 on the S7, it's just not how Samsung does things.

Third party app notifications on AOD (WhatsApp etc) are already available using an Xposed mod called GalaxyXMod.

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Third party app notifications on AOD (WhatsApp etc) are already available using an Xposed mod called GalaxyXMod.
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Yeah, I'm aware.. But I won't be rooting my S7e no time soon, not until the root method becomes more solid (stable).. I wouldn't root my phone just for 3rd party notifications.. & risk possibly bricking a $700 phone, I know it's way to revert to stock. Just not worth all the hassle yet

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Yeah, I'm aware.. But I won't be rooting my S7e no time soon, not until the root method becomes more solid (stable).. I wouldn't root my phone just for 3rd party notifications.. & risk possibly bricking a $700 phone, I know it's way to revert to stock. Just not worth all the hassle yet
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To be fair, if I owned a Qualcomm S7/S7E I wouldn't bother with root either so I don't blame you. From what I've read the side effects are just not worth the bother.

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All I can say is that Samsung has not been known to bring features from a particular device to previous or other devices. So my best guess would be that no, features particular to the Note 7 will not find their way to the S7. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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http://www.sammobile.com/2016/09/22...y-s7-to-bring-grace-ux-and-improved-features/

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http://www.sammobile.com/2016/09/22...y-s7-to-bring-grace-ux-and-improved-features/
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That's encouraging. Still, it's just speculation at the moment.

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That's encouraging. Still, it's just speculation at the moment.
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New update today, lots of new features... It also shows music info now. I couldn't get a screenshot of it though
EDIT: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...at-adds-features-to-Always-On-Display_id86603

It looks neat, but my always on display is broken now anyway. Still waiting for the Tmobile replacement to arrive, been on backorder for like 10 days so far.

I don't post too often on the threads here but I was speaking with a Tmo rep over facebook over issues I have been having and he did mention an update coming to the S7E.
"Its fine Alex you don't need to worry about that I know you just want to address your concerns, especially since it is about your money so I can completely relate to that The refund to your card may take up to approximately 3 days to show up on your end so don't worry we got you. I know that we should be releasing an OTA update to your device soon so just keep a lookout for anything. Just like any phone that we have ever released we must make sure that the updates are fully optimized before launching those updates to make sure everything runs as seamlessly as possible. *DonH"

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It looks neat, but my always on display is broken now anyway. Still waiting for the Tmobile replacement to arrive, been on backorder for like 10 days so far.
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Broken as in? Won't display anything?.. You don't have package disabler do you?

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Broken as in? Won't display anything?.. You don't have package disabler do you?
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No, bone stock phone, no root. I have disabled some things via the built-in application manager, but nothing major. Facebook and stuff.
The problem is that when I turn on AOD or the edge night clock, it shows what it is supposed to show, but it also dimly lights up the entire display. This happened out of nowhere, one night when the night clock came on, so did every pixel. I was on a cruise ship that night and can't think of anything that I could associate it with. Never got the phone wet BTW. The weird thing is, the edge thing where you can see notifications, news ticker, stocks, etc, with the rest of the screen off, works perfectly fine. This persisted through several firmware updates and the latest AOD update. I have tried factory reset and even flashing new firmware via ODIN to no avail. There have been very few reports of this happening (maybe a handful total) and at least one stated that Samsung replaced his screen and problem solved.
In any case, it's been 14 days since I got the replacement approved and still no shipping estimate. I am wondering if the Galaxy Note 7 fiasco is pushing people into the GS7E, hence the demand.

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No, bone stock phone, no root. I have disabled some things via the built-in application manager, but nothing major. Facebook and stuff.
The problem is that when I turn on AOD or the edge night clock, it shows what it is supposed to show, but it also dimly lights up the entire display. This happened out of nowhere, one night when the night clock came on, so did every pixel. I was on a cruise ship that night and can't think of anything that I could associate it with. Never got the phone wet BTW. The weird thing is, the edge thing where you can see notifications, news ticker, stocks, etc, with the rest of the screen off, works perfectly fine. This persisted through several firmware updates and the latest AOD update. I have tried factory reset and even flashing new firmware via ODIN to no avail. There have been very few reports of this happening (maybe a handful total) and at least one stated that Samsung replaced his screen and problem solved.
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Oh man sounds like you have some hardware issues going on. Hopefully your replacement device functions properly

Need to update from KitKat 4.4.4

Hi all,
I've got a developers edition Galaxy Note 4 that I bought directly from Samsung 7ish years ago and it's still my daily driver. I rooted it immediately upon getting it and have never updated it past the KitKat version of Android that it came with. I rely on Google Voice and just got a message saying that Voice would soon stop running on KitKat so I need to upgrade my version of Android.
I've been out of the scene for a long time (as evidenced by my still using a 7 year old phone) so I'm looking for advice on a ROM to move to. My requirements are:
Must have root.
Must support Google Voice
Battery life is very important to me. This is one of the main reasons I stayed with KitKat. When later versions came out people were reporting much worse battery life. Not sure if this is still the case.
Must support s-pen. I use this quite frequently.
I prefer to stay with something close to stock. I don't need flashy 3D launcher effects of anything. I've got a Galaxy Tab S7+ and I'm familiar with (and like) recent versions of Samsung's UI.
GPS must be functional. I use Maps and Waze for navigation same need to continue. This probably won't be an issue, but I mention it because I remember some ROMS having trouble with this years ago.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. It's been so long since I've done this stuff I don't remember where to start. In addition to being rooted, I've got what is probably a very old version (2.8.1.1) of TWRP installed. Not sure if it would matter, but I'm also still on one of Verizon's old truly unlimited plans.
I've been doing some research and unless anyone here has a better idea I'm guessing the best move for me would be to upgrade to one of the official Android 6 builds that Samsung released for this phone. From what I gather, custom ROMs do not fully support the S-pen. Is that correct?
Do any pre-rooted versions of the Samsung 6.0.1 release exist that I could flash with my existing version of TWRP? I've seen some discussion of updating bootloaders but I'm not really sure what that's all about. Like I said, it's been many years since I've done this stuff.
Any and all advice and instruction and links appreciated.

I'd leave it be and ditch Gookill Voice... enjoy the better battery life.

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I'd leave it be and ditch Gookill Voice... enjoy the better battery life.
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I would, but I've used Google Voice for everything. In all these years I've never given anyone my actual carrier phone number. They've all gotten my Google Voice number.
I'm glad you left your comment though. It reminded me that battery life getting worse was one of the reasons I never did the update.
Not real sure what I'm going to do. I might just limp along as it is for a month and maybe buy the Galaxy Fold 3 when it comes out.

I use the a Custom ROM which is Android 6.0.1 for my SM-N910P called Q15_Plus_TidBits_VB3.0.1. So far I get about 14 hours on the battery with average use, and that is without using the battery saving modes. It is stable, and quite honestly runs everything (including Google Voice which I rely on). The only complaint I can think of is that I don't have a 'power button flashlight' feature installed.

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I use the a Custom ROM which is Android 6.0.1 for my SM-N910P called Q15_Plus_TidBits_VB3.0.1. So far I get about 14 hours on the battery with average use, and that is without using the battery saving modes. It is stable, and quite honestly runs everything (including Google Voice which I rely on). The only complaint I can think of is that I don't have a 'power button flashlight' feature installed.
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That sounds great! Does this rom maintain support for the s-pen?

hacksaw999 said:
That sounds great! Does this rom maintain support for the s-pen?
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Sure does!