Updates - G4 General

I have to say LG's policy to wait for the next version of Android to fix issues sucks. Jumping on the first version of M will probably introduce just as many problems.
LG take notice of other vendors starting monthly patches. This needs to become a standard.

Agreed. If LG wants to be a competitor to Samsung, they need to push security updates just as often.

babyschmoof said:
I have to say LG's policy to wait for the next version of Android to fix issues sucks. Jumping on the first version of M will probably introduce just as many problems.
LG take notice of other vendors starting monthly patches. This needs to become a standard.
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And where did they say that they won't release anymore updates until Android M? As far as I know there are updates coming all the time to different models of the G4, one being very new with new stuff in it.

Here we go: http://www.wired.com/2015/08/google-samsung-lg-roll-regular-android-security-updates/

They constantly say it.... One of many http://www.techtimes.com/articles/6...droid-5-1-1-lollipop-update-for-android-m.htm

Up until Samsung and Google made their announcement, they constantly said neither G3 or G4 would have any updates until M. I'm hopeful they do the right thing, but bad track record.

They say to calm us all down yet they don't show by their actions. Like I always say, actions speak louder than words.

babyschmoof said:
They constantly say it.... One of many http://www.techtimes.com/articles/6...droid-5-1-1-lollipop-update-for-android-m.htm
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That says no 5.1.1, you do know they implement all bug fixes etc and send out, but don't change the version number because that process takes more time with Google and carriers having to check, right?
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wadamean said:
They say to calm us all down yet they don't show by their actions. Like I always say, actions speak louder than words.
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What more actions do you want than that updates are coming out on a regular basis? Did you really expect them to make a statement and then roll out an update in one day?

Glad to gear the PR release. Now LG put words into actions.
This issue might possibly be the best thing to happen to Android. The OEMs that don't follow thru will disappear quickly. Too many new companies making good phones for less money.
No more, "lets wait until the next version of Android to fix it." However, it will have a negative impact on the rooting community. I foresee lots of bricked phones in the future.

babyschmoof said:
Glad to gear the PR release. Now LG put words into actions.
This issue might possibly be the best thing to happen to Android. The OEMs that don't follow thru will disappear quickly. Too many new companies making good phones for less money.
No more, "lets wait until the next version of Android to fix it." However, it will have a negative impact on the rooting community. I foresee lots of bricked phones in the future.
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LG should publish briefs and/or bulletins about the updates it releases to carriers to be transparent so we can then go blame the carriers for dragging their feet

Totally agree. this is one of the things Apple does well (gasp). It would be nice to see the android community totally nail this.

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GPS Fix and Froyo ETAs

Since a new thread seams to pop up every day asking for ETA's I suppose we can have a thread specifically discussing what we ACTUALLY know. Here is what "I" know at the moment.
GPS Fix
Currently there is a leaked firmware (see development forum) that looks like it improves the GPS functionality nicely. This has a build date of Sept 7th so it is fairly new. Due to certain issues, this appears to be a beta still. However, it does have the TMO apps on it so it is further along than a pre-carrier build. Given a beta cycle of a couple of weeks, if this goes out as an OTA, it would look to be at the end of the month at best.
It has been reported in another thread that TMO will start rolling out a GPS/Lag fix on Sept 20th. This is most likely based on, or is, the leaked ROM that you can find in the dev section. So far, reports on the GPS fix are "mostly" positive.
Froyo (Android 2.2.)
There have been no leaked ROMs for the Vibrant yet although there is for international versions. Samsung_mobile on twitter said Froyo at the end of September. Given the information in the previous section, it seems an interim build may be coming to TMO first, before a Froyo is pushed out. This one though is a complete unknown besides from that twitter post.
It is currently expected that Samsung will release a Froyo build TO CARRIERS on Sept 23rd. We are not likely to see a Froyo update for at least 45 days after that if not longer depending on how long it takes TMO to "wiz it up"
GPS is working very nicely for me on that new rom with no issues.
I was locking onto 6 birds yesterday. All stock. WHATUP NOW
Still take some froyo though haaa
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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While I appreciate that the leaked ROM may be working for you, a lot of people dont want to mess with ROMs and are more interested in an official update. Although you can install that ROM today, we have no actual date of an official release.
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Yeah, if we are lucky, we may get it by the time Google releases Android 3.0 in October....
I am sooo disappointed that every Android manufacturer locks down their product so tight, that without their cooperation, the phones are simply not upgradable to the new OS versions. In a way it's worse than dealing with the iPhone
Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
couped said:
Wake up dude. It has nothing to do with that and EVERYTHING to do with testing and finishing drivers, UI, etc. People complain about a buggy release then demand updates right away. Its not going to happen.
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Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
MacGuy2006 said:
Nope.
Samsung can test the OS in advance, so they can get their drivers ready for launch. Both HTC and Moto did it, and Moto is hardly the most responsive company out there.
And the UI, it's crap, IMO. But if Samsung thinks TouchWiz is so great and important, then spin it off and make it available in Market, when ready.
There is really no good excuse for the delay. Samsung is just not dedicating the resources they need to.
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are you serious?
I think you need a new hobby...
There is really no good excuse for the delay.
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Obviously someone that hasn't been in the software development field.
Amen.
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In T-mobile/Samsung's defense...
When the first update for the G1 came out, it released in the UK before it hit the U.S.
Turns out that there was some kind of security bug in it, and they actually had to stop offering the update.
The testing aspect is why these updates take so long. It takes longer to test (and fix minor issues) than to correct the main problem.
What it boils down to is that no one really knows these devices in and out. You have cameras from one company, radios from another company, GPS chipsets from a third company, processors from a 4th, etc... and on top of it all your OS is written by a company that is very new to the electronics business.
The problem is the pace of technology.... sure you could pay 2 or 3 geniuses $100,000 a year for 2 years to learn every idiosyncrasy of ONE of your devices... but does that make sense when you have 2 or 3 new models going to market in 6 months?
Apple is probably the best suited company to have a team of experts who know their ONE device in and out... and even they screw it up (proximity sensor, antenna debacle).
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Obviously someone that hasn't been in the software development field.
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
Maybe old news by now, but Androidspin is reporting Froyo for the international version with a Sept 23 release date.
noob user, can't post links. visit android spin for the story.
MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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Ill agree with this, if Samsungs priority was 2.2 it would have been done by now, easily. I mean 2.2 has been out since may. Its 4 months later, they could roll it out now if it had been properly and timely worked on.
It's not like all Samsung makes are phones.
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I'm still waiting for the HTC TV, HTC Washer and Dryer, maybe a Nokia Refrigerator....
When the other Companies start making all of this stuff, then u can compare
MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
Again, if this was a priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 now. They have control over more hardware in the Galaxy than most other phone manufacturers.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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So... your the accountant? Or someone who contracts with vendors to do development for the company you work for? Supply the funding?
Sorry, not a ringing endorsement for understanding the development cycle without more details.
I'm guessing you meant to say, "if this was a TOP priority for Samsung, we would have 2.2 for now".
I'm guessing it's not, for a variety of business reasons. I'm sure it is in the mix with a lot of other efforts.
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Well, I do a bit of most of the above.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers is so tough it takes years?
Or that we should not expect much from Samsung products, because they are a diversified company and can't focus on any particular product?
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Actually, part of what I do is pay people to do software development.
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I pay 400 people to do software development, and I agree with the other guy.
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No, I run a company.
So, you are a fanboy?
If HTC and Moto could do it, so could have Samsung. Especially since the Galaxy S is supposed to be their weapon with which to take over the smart phone market.... And since they have more control over key components than their rivals.
Anyway, what's your point? That writing drivers takes years?
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Ha, no. I'm OS and hardware agnostic across all platforms.
My point is realistic expectations. If the GPS update was top priority for Samsung and/or easy to fix (it very well may not have been), it would be done.
As the owner of a company, you know more than anybody the tradeoff's that need to be made when making business decisions. It easy to complain when you are individually impacted about the priority of some specific piece of work, but for Samsung you know they made concious decisions about release scheduling.
Given recent news, it looks like the GPS/hardware fix is being release seperately from 2.2. I'm a little dissapointed in this, it's seems likely that means we will not get the 2.2 fix before the end of September. Ideally they would be rolled together if 2.2 was close... unless the fix just took so long the release timeframes have been squeezed together. And all assuming the GPS fix is merged with 2.2.
Anyway, I'm rambling, no way to know unless we sit in on Samsung development meetings and what challenges they have had with the 2.2 release.
My 'guess' is Samsung had marketing dates to meet with the original OS and released the product before everything was baked in. There are lots of oddities and bugs in the phone I have not seen in other platforms (like HTC), and these are hopefully fixed and may explain the extra time.
I agree with you re: the UI. For those that care, and it likely the more technically savy are the ones that care, it's easy to change... one of the compelling things about any android device.
The Tab is nearly ready to launch. I'm sure it has been tested with 2.2 for a number of weeks, if not months. The have the drivers ready. They are likely devoting tine and energy to hardware releases at this time. It would be nice if they would release vanilla android then the other stuff in the market. They already do that for the samsung home and car apps.
It is really frustrating that these companies cripple good devices with bloatware and make you root to uninstall it. Gingerbread will be nice because all of these extras will be apps. Which is how it should have been from day one.
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Samsung Bad Press= Good!

with the most recent accusations of Samsung holding back OS updates and supposidly charging for carriers aquiring Foyo i cant help but feel like this bad press will be a good thing for us all because Samsung will be force to issue some quality control on OS pushes as well as firware updates. so all this negativity can turn positive, they have to because there is an onslaught on all tech sites talking about the customer reactions and all this crap. word to your moms
Google provides operating system updates to the Nexus S, not Samsung. Samsung simply manufactured the hardware; Google provides Android updates. This has been reiterated many many times now.
That is one of the main reasons why anybody bought this phone in the first place ... because we DON'T have to worry about Samsung handling software updates.
my bad, i mainly meant in generality regarding all samsung devices getting os updates. but regarding nexus s, samsung firmware updates, if any, are needed.
dudeimgeorge said:
my bad, i mainly meant in generality regarding all samsung devices getting os updates. but regarding nexus s, samsung firmware updates, if any, are needed.
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I don't think even other devices will benefit much from a little bad press for a couple of reasons.
#1 Samsung was the #1 seller of Android devices in the world last year, DESPITE a reputation in the geek community of being slow/poor about software updates. Why should they change? Whatever they're doing is working for them!
#2 The vast majority of people who buy Samsung phones, even state of the art ones like the Galaxy S line, aren't geeks, don't read geek sites, and don't even know what eclair/froyo/gingerbread are. They don't know what a software update is, and they don't care. The mainstream press doesn't cover this stuff, so most of Samsung's consumer market is oblivious to any of this. It's a bit of a tempest in a teapot..
distortedloop said:
I don't think even other devices will benefit much from a little bad press for a couple of reasons.
#1 Samsung was the #1 seller of Android devices in the world last year, DESPITE a reputation in the geek community of being slow/poor about software updates. Why should they change? Whatever they're doing is working for them!
#2 The vast majority of people who buy Samsung phones, even state of the art ones like the Galaxy S line, aren't geeks, don't read geek sites, and don't even know what eclair/froyo/gingerbread are. They don't know what a software update is, and they don't care. The mainstream press doesn't cover this stuff, so most of Samsung's consumer market is oblivious to any of this. It's a bit of a tempest in a teapot..
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well this outlook of yours i thought about, and to be honest i feel that samsung is going to have a dreadful following year. If not in general, definently in our geek community
dudeimgeorge said:
well this outlook of yours i thought about, and to be honest i feel that samsung is going to have a dreadful following year. If not in general, definently in our geek community
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What percentage of the Samsung consumer base is made up of we geeks?
I doubt they'll have a dreadful year; perhaps not as good as last, but they still have the absolute best screen tech available, and they're pushing it out on a wide range of phones from 3" to 4.5". SAMOLED and SAMOLED + will sell a lot of phones alone, even to geeks who know that they'll eventually have a nice ROM from cyanogen or others eventually.
Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego? I mean, where in the world is the 2.3.2 update for the plethora of bugs and glitches in GB, Google?
dudeimgeorge said:
my bad, i mainly meant in generality regarding all samsung devices getting os updates. but regarding nexus s, samsung firmware updates, if any, are needed.
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Unless I misunderstood the bold statement. Samsung isn't doing any updates whatsoever on the Nexus S. It's all done by Google. Everything. Since there is no such thing as free hardware updates, Samsung's only involvement with the Nexus S and manufacturing it.
DKYang said:
Unless I misunderstood the bold statement. Samsung isn't doing any updates whatsoever on the Nexus S. It's all done by Google. Everything. Since there is no such thing as free hardware updates, Samsung's only involvement with the Nexus S and manufacturing it.
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You are correct. ALL software support, including firmware, is Google's responsibility for the Nexus S. THIS IS GOOGLE'S PHONE.
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Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego? I mean, where in the world is the 2.3.2 update for the plethora of bugs and glitches in GB, Google?
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How many is a "plethora"? 5-6? You sound as if the phone is unusable.
rashad1 said:
How many is a "plethora"? 5-6? You sound as if the phone is unusable.
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Since plethora isn't defined beyond "excess", I guess it depends on what your tolerance threshold for major bugs is.
Some people are finding the phone unusable, at least unreliably usable, because of a couple of major bugs:
1) Random reboots with no rhyme or reason.
2) Reboots during a call, randomly, no rhyme or reason as to why or when.
3) Reboots while being charged.
4) SMS bug where someone other than the intended recipient gets the message. (OTA out soon for this one per Samsung.)
5) Ringtone assignments randomly changing, resulting in people not hearing the phone ring or missing SMS notifications (because sound randomly picked can also be "none").
So there's at least 5 I can list off the top of my head. Perhaps the guy you were responding to has a different list.
I've only experienced #2 and #5, and there's a work-around for #5, so the phone's "usable" for me, but it's been a bit of a nervous experience being on phone call wondering if it's going to reboot.
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Unless I misunderstood the bold statement. Samsung isn't doing any updates whatsoever on the Nexus S. It's all done by Google. Everything. Since there is no such thing as free hardware updates, Samsung's only involvement with the Nexus S and manufacturing it.
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i'll tell you one thing google forgot to ask samsung for, or samsung didnt give to google, and that is the browser GPU acceleration fix that was given to the galaxy phones on 2.1.
so there's an example where samsung, the hardware manaufacturer, has a specific driver for their very specific hardware. it perhaps may be something that would take google too many months to build from scratch on their own without technical insight from the hardware vendor.

Nice C-Net article about Android updates. Reminds me of something...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20...-claims/?part=rss&subj=androidatlas&tag=title
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20...-claims/?part=rss&subj=androidatlas&tag=title
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Why did he pick some of the crappiest android phones out there. As much as I hate not getting upgraded it seems as though this list is biased. None of those devices compare to Apple's products and the products that do he conveniently left out.
sahil04 said:
Why did he pick some of the crappiest android phones out there. As much as I hate not getting upgraded it seems as though this list is biased. None of those devices compare to Apple's products and the products that do he conveniently left out.
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True, but our phones got left out too...
doug2060 said:
True, but our phones got left out too...
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What I meant to say was he would have had more support if he had acknowledged the top tier Android phones such as ours that aren't getting updates instead of the crappy low end ones that probably can't run the updates that google wanted.
sahil04 said:
Yes, I'm no apple fanboy but even I think this article is trying to make apple look bad.
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Huh? The entire article was downing Android for lack of updates and this makes Apple look bad how?
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It's so funny, the same people who ***** and complain about no OS updates are the same ones who get angry when someone at a tech site writes an article about it.
There was a similar article on Androidandme and everyone of the comments was full of people defending the Android world, yet many of these same screenames are people who allows ***** and complain about never having a recent update.
It's true, Google/Android is running the update thing horribly. Ultimately if they don't clean up the fragmentation then that will be their downfall.
Google needs to stand up and say "enough, you want my OS on your phone, then you provide timely updates, PERIOD!"
I think the power of Android is now large enough to make a stand like that.
I am so sick of being at the mercy of my carrier and phone manufacturer for updates. Especially when the phone is fully capable. Could you imagine purchasing a pc and being at the mercy of the PC manufacturer for OS updates or drivers?
Manufacturers need to just make the phone, provide the proper drivers, then screw off. Let Google release the OS on their site, and people just update that way, and use the drivers from the manufacturer or component makers. Too bad this will never happen because the phone manufacturers and carriers are in bed together, giving us no updates is 100 percent planned.
ramiss said:
Huh? The entire article was downing Android for lack of updates and this makes Apple look bad how?
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Sorry, I meant make apple look good lol, I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that part.
SamsungVibrant said:
It's so funny, the same people who ***** and complain about no OS updates are the same ones who get angry when someone at a tech site writes an article about it.
There was a similar article on Androidandme and everyone of the comments was full of people defending the Android world, yet many of these same screenames are people who allows ***** and complain about never having a recent update.
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What individuals are you talking about? I ***** about no OS updates and I back the article 100%. Just because lots of people complain about opposite points, does not mean that the same people are complaining about opposite points.
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What individuals are you talking about? I ***** about no OS updates and I back the article 100%. Just because lots of people complain about opposite points, does not mean that the same people are complaining about opposite points.
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Agreed. I ignored that comment because I wasn't sure as to how it was intended. I didn't post this link to ***** or complain. I posted it because it's a common theme with Android phones and many may not be aware of it.
Its a valid complaint that hopefully will be put in the spotlight. This is the number one thing that is leading to fragmentation and eroding support for android. Now that ios has some of the features of android there is heavier competition between the two. What if the next iPhone has a bigger screen and live wallpapers or if it become more open? How will android compete with that if it can't even keep its line or phones updated. Nobody can deny the superior support for iPhones over androids and that is something that Google really needs to try and remedy cause clearly it can't be left to the manufacturers or carriers. The os has matured enough that Google should start flexing some muscle so the system can have some standards.
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It is not a fair comparison. Apple uses one (1) OS. Android is a base, and each carrier determines skins. Waste of an article is a waste of an article.
The original research is at http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
I think the points he has to make is valid and of course frustrating, but it is *NOT* an Android problem. It's a general phone manufacturer and carrier problem. Feature phones have the same level of poor support. I know my last feature phone's email would never display the right timestamp, and the firmware was never upgraded (even though it was a top-of-the-line phone at the time)
Robert
Feature phones are completely different. You have android devices with basically useless lock screen security that take forever to get patched. You think that would fly with apple. Look at our phones stock performance. Apple would have fixed that fast. Just like they fixes one of the older iPhones following the iOS 4 update.
It's not just about os updates. It's about security patches and bug fixes. Malware is a bigger issue on android because so many phones are left in an unpatched state. It really does give android a very bad rep with a ton of users.
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Do you think feature phones never had any security problems?
I still feel the problem is the same. The issue is not fixing an individual problem (or even applying a fix someone else has made), but the total lack of support after the "next" model comes out.
Personally, I think I'm going to use this research as leverage to avoid signing a commitment in the future. The prepaid/non-contract vendors are starting to offer Android devices. We can complain, but I don't think it will change the carrier's business models.
Luckily I near a big city and don't travel that much so a smaller carrier may be fine.

Send a letter to VZW leadership

I have an idea: if we fill these people's inboxes with emails requesting at least a timeline for lollipop for the DT, then something might happen.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/aboutus/leadership/executive.html
Click on profile, click contact at the bottom of their bio, and fill out your email. The 3 people you want to focus on are David Small, Nicola Palmer, and Shanakar Arumugavelu. Seriously, it only takes like 5 mins and could make a difference.
Edit - Read post #5
Edit 2: If you email, please be professional about it! Also, expect a tech support or executive office call.
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What am I missing here. Why is this such a big deal to people? My phone works just fine now that I am rooted. I can see it now we will get the update people want. They will then lose root because of it and just start complaining again. Maybe Verizon should just come out and say something like you will get it by 2016. Then everyone would complain about that. The pattern here is that people just want to complain about something. they always will. I'm not sure why everyone thinks that if they demand it, Verizon will go OH I'm sorry here it is. Too funny. Do you really think they are just sitting there saying how long can we hold it back to screw with everyone? There must still be problems with it. I know, have them just push it now so if it does not work right and jacks up your phone you can complain about that too.
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What am I missing here. Why is this such a big deal to people? My phone works just fine now that I am rooted. I can see it now we will get the update people want. They will then lose root because of it and just start complaining again. Maybe Verizon should just come out and say something like you will get it by 2016. Then everyone would complain about that. The pattern here is that people just want to complain about something. they always will. I'm not sure why everyone thinks that if they demand it, Verizon will go OH I'm sorry here it is. Too funny. Do you really think they are just sitting there saying how long can we hold it back to screw with everyone? There must still be problems with it. I know, have them just push it now so if it does not work right and jacks up your phone you can complain about that too.
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How is Lollipop going for ya? Do you like those new kernel improvements now that you have root?
Oh...
I cannot access my school's Google Apps for Education account on my phone without Lollipop. I am the principal. This is a big deal. I know it is Lollipop because on my previous phone, I also couldn't access it, but after it was updated to Lollipop, I could.
Just to clear things up, I'm not saying VZW should rush the update. I'm all for a bug free experience. I and many others just wish they were a bit more transparent with their info instead of automated tweets and customer service replies.
I have a MUCH better idea
Be patient
They will have it before June most likely
They could release it now and your phone will be destroyed because of your impatience with them.????
DJ_FrozenDoctor said:
I have a MUCH better idea
Be patient
They will have it before June most likely
They could release it now and your phone will be destroyed because of your impatience with them.????
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Why are you defending them so much? Are you a member of the Dev team or the OTA approval team......
You don't get it, you just don't get it. There is no reason an update should take this long. Other manufacturers were able to push them out to their flagship AND IN ADDITION phones that were 2-3 years old faster than this. Our own here at XDA have built lollipop builds for some phones faster than moto and vzw. Get with the program see where we are coming from.
Maybe if they spoke up about the situation we wouldn't all be so distraught.
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Why are you defending them so much? Are you a member of the Dev team or the OTA approval team......
You don't get it, you just don't get it. There is no reason an update should take this long. Other manufacturers were able to push them out to their flagship AND IN ADDITION phones that were 2-3 years old faster than this. Our own here at XDA have built lollipop builds for some phones faster than moto and vzw. Get with the program see where we are coming from.
Maybe if they spoke up about the situation we wouldn't all be so distraught.
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I'm just a person that believe that these "campaigns" are stupid and useless
No, YOU don't get it.-_-
There are millions of reasons an update could take what you think is so long
One of them is bugs
Everything happens for a reason. It is very good that they are taking this amount of time
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A demand would fall more silently than a professionally written letter requesting transparency.
Write it to whom you wish to speak to directly, share information about yourself, and keep it personal.
I once wrote a letter to the CEO of a game company overseas and he replied directly to what I had said and fixed my issue.
There is power in the pen. However remember: a gentle word turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
Very wise words my friend. BTW, I enjoy your app for the BL unlock!
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Harry44 said:
Why are you defending them so much? Are you a member of the Dev team or the OTA approval team......
You don't get it, you just don't get it. There is no reason an update should take this long. Other manufacturers were able to push them out to their flagship AND IN ADDITION phones that were 2-3 years old faster than this. Our own here at XDA have built lollipop builds for some phones faster than moto and vzw. Get with the program see where we are coming from.
Maybe if they spoke up about the situation we wouldn't all be so distraught.
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I can understand your frustration with being stuck on 4.4.4 and no information of update date. I have the moto maxx version of droid turbo which is updated to 5.0.2. Believe me, i would be happier if they didn't push their buggy 5.0.2 ota to my device and get updated to 5.1 directly like they will do with the turbo. Android 5.0.2 is buggy as hell with all devices. How do i know about that, i sell and service all of the smartphones, so i listen to my customer, most of them tell me their phone was running better with kitkat before they updated to lollipop. This is true for LG G2-G3, HTC M8, Samsung S5, S4, note 3 users. So, i totally understand verizon and motorola's decision of baking a bug free update for its users, patience is needed.
DJ_FrozenDoctor said:
I'm just a person that believe that these "campaigns" are stupid and useless
No, YOU don't get it.-_-
There are millions of reasons an update could take what you think is so long
One of them is bugs
Everything happens for a reason. It is very good that they are taking this amount of time
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One of those reasons is also sheer laziness and lack of priority.
Lets put it in perspective.
The differences between 5.0.x and 5.1 do not warrant 6 months of development time to release an update, and thats assuming they release it next month. Starting from the Moto Maxx vendor and device overlay and Turbo props for 5.1, it would take me 2-3 full time days to do it and have it fully working (and I work slow). They likely have more than one person on it too.
I would not have expected them to release 5.1 that quick, but they could have EASILY had a soak out by now. Stop being an apologist for these fools. Motorola or Verizon is dragging their feet, and I suspect its probably more Verizon. Verizon uses regular employees to test OTAs; they don't even have proper testers, probably so they don't have to pay as much for testing. Thats how little regard they have for timeframes and priority.
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I can understand your frustration with being stuck on 4.4.4 and no information of update date. I have the moto maxx version of droid turbo which is updated to 5.0.2. Believe me, i would be happier if they didn't push their buggy 5.0.2 ota to my device and get updated to 5.1 directly like they will do with the turbo. Android 5.0.2 is buggy as hell with all devices. How do i know about that, i sell and service all of the smartphones, so i listen to my customer, most of them tell me their phone was running better with kitkat before they updated to lollipop. This is true for LG G2-G3, HTC M8, Samsung S5, S4, note 3 users. So, i totally understand verizon and motorola's decision of baking a bug free update for its users, patience is needed.
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it was fine on my Nexus 7.
jake7405 said:
Very wise words my friend. BTW, I enjoy your app for the BL unlock!
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*unwise
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adrynalyne said:
One of those reasons is also sheer laziness and lack of priority.
Lets put it in perspective.
The differences between 5.0.x and 5.1 do not warrant 6 months of development time to release an update, and thats assuming they release it next month. Starting from the Moto Maxx vendor and device overlay and Turbo props for 5.1, it would take me 2-3 full time days to do it and have it fully working (and I work slow). They likely have more than one person on it too.
I would not have expected them to release 5.1 that quick, but they could have EASILY had a soak out by now. Stop being an apologist for these fools. Motorola or Verizon is dragging their feet, and I suspect its probably more Verizon. Verizon uses regular employees to test OTAs; they don't even have proper testers, probably so they don't have to pay as much for testing. Thats how little regard they have for timeframes and priority.
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No, that NOT a reason.-_-_-
I partly agree
You really think that its that easy, don't you? They might be adding extra to the device. It varies on the device depending on specs.
Maybe the battery keeps dying quickly, like in 1 hour instead of 48-58 hours
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No, that NOT a reason.-_-_-
I partly agree
You really think that its that easy, don't you? They might be adding extra to the device. It varies on the device depending on specs.
Maybe the battery keeps dying quickly, like in 1 hour instead of 48-58 hours
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I am a software developer. I KNOW its that easy. They already have a working vendor and overlay for 5.0.2 to start from. The turbo is not starting from scratch and it does not differ in specs. Your scenario would also affect the Maxx, and I've not seen the battery die in 1 hour. Have you?
adrynalyne said:
One of those reasons is also sheer laziness and lack of priority.
Lets put it in perspective.
The differences between 5.0.x and 5.1 do not warrant 6 months of development time to release an update, and thats assuming they release it next month. Starting from the Moto Maxx vendor and device overlay and Turbo props for 5.1, it would take me 2-3 full time days to do it and have it fully working (and I work slow). They likely have more than one person on it too.
I would not have expected them to release 5.1 that quick, but they could have EASILY had a soak out by now. Stop being an apologist for these fools. Motorola or Verizon is dragging their feet, and I suspect its probably more Verizon. Verizon uses regular employees to test OTAs; they don't even have proper testers, probably so they don't have to pay as much for testing. Thats how little regard they have for timeframes and priority.
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adrynalyne said:
I am a software developer. I KNOW its that easy.
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Do you develop Motorola? If you do then you can say that they "should have" taken a day or less
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Do you develop Motorola? If you do then you can say that they "should have" taken a day or less
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No I do not, nor is it relevant.
I didn't say a day or less. Go read again. If little ol' me can get it done in 2-3 days with the right blobs (which we don't have) and an unlocked BL (we also don't have), Motorola can manage a Lollipop release in under 6 months. This is all Verizon.
Building it doesn't take long.
Getting it through their extensive and cumbersome testing and qualification process, however, does take a very long time.
You can argue their qualification process is way too long, and not value added. But that is their decision, and the process they chose/believe in.
JasonJoel said:
Building it doesn't take long.
Getting it through their extensive and cumbersome testing and qualification process, however, does take a very long time.
You can argue their qualification process is way too long, and not value added. But that is their decision, and the process they chose/believe in.
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That sounded a lot like, "the company decides decide the BS to shovel you, eat it with a smile."
IF customers are not happy, they have every right to petition, complain, etc. to vocalize their complaint. Those that enjoy eating what is given to them, you guys simply don't have to read it. Don't undermine their stance because it doesn't apply to you. It isn't customer service if the customers aren't taken care of (no innuendo intended).
Just giving perspective on why it takes longer than just the time to build the software. Per an earlier post.
Complain / petition away. I never said not to.

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Here's the petition on Samsung's software update policy for those who are tired of it. I request you all to please sign it, so we can raise our voice. After signing, don't forget to SHARE it.
Samsung Mobile : Software update policy of Shamesung - Sign the Petition!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-mobile-software-update-policy-of-shamesung?recruiter=508463321&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=whatsapp
ammarwajihi said:
Here's the petition on Samsung's software update policy for those who are tired of it. I request you all to please sign it, so we can raise our voice. After signing, don't forget to SHARE it.
Samsung Mobile : Software update policy of Shamesung - Sign the Petition!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-mo...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=whatsapp
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Has any of those petitions ever produced a positive result?
Kamau54 said:
Has any of those petitions ever produced a positive result?
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Don't know but we need to try at least.
ammarwajihi said:
Don't know but we need to try at least.
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Good luck.
What is the point to be negative? If you want you can laid down and wait the dead. If someone can try, I wish the best. Simple.
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Firstly not knocking the OP here just my view having been around a long time.
These petitions do nothing i remember seeing them about in the original note forum. Nothing has changed in that respect.
Secondly i have just returned to the note from a Nexus 6, and do you know what, i am glad to be back on Samsung software. Yes i had MM late last year but thats not always the greatest position to be in. as i felt i was an actual beta tester for most of that time, with odd things happening. SO samsung come out many months afterwards but let me tell you this, The MM i installed last week is a hell of a lot more stable than what i left with on the nexus range. So yes not first to the party but however i am happier having a stable feature rich software which means i can use my phone without fear of rebooting if it means i wait.
To be honest apart from Doze there is very little difference from LP, yes minor features here or there but nothing that would get me into os jealousy at all, i just wanted a good stable daily driver and we all have that. Will we get Android N who knows and to be honest ive got to the point where stock software is actually better than good enough and no longer feel the need to have the latest and have it now
Its just my opinion that suits my needs and i understand everyone is different, hell i used to be a must have it now os kinda guy but not any more, im just happy with what i have, and thats a stable feature rich os on a cracking device that performs everything i wont of it.
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Thank you those who are supporting.
ammarwajihi said:
Here's the petition on Samsung's software update policy for those who are tired of it. I request you all to please sign it, so we can raise our voice. After signing, don't forget to SHARE it.
Samsung Mobile : Software update policy of Shamesung - Sign the Petition!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-mo...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=whatsapp
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Its a bit whiney and you'd get better support and a better response by being positive.
Do you get sleepless night by a fw updated being delayed a few weeks? Really?? Sorry I'm not signing this one especially with a title like this.. It needs to be a little more focused and professional. For instance, I understand most phone makers offer updates for 18 months to 2 years and even then they don't say how they will be maintained.
HOWEVER what I would like to see is firms like Samsung issuing security updates more quickly and more regularly. Also why don't they package the security update enabling it to be distributed to ALL devices without having to customise each one?? Basic build standards I'd say.
Having the latest and greatest fw is fine - but it needs to work, and due to the fact they don't issue updates too often they need to get it right - hence peoples expectations aren't met. I say peoples expectations because Samsung don't issue exact dates - the press make them up. SO where are getting your info from??
I'd further add a security update is more important to me than receiving MM. The last update before MM was received on 11/11/15! Nexus received monthly updates....leaving our devices exposed to exploits.
Your intentions are good - just needs to be a little more specific, justified and a tad more professional.
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Ok, enough with this stuff. Samsung is a multi billion dollar company. They will do whatever they want to do. Whenever they want to do it. Now, now instead of signing a petition. Why not stop buying the Samsung product. Use your head.
I'd rather wait for a solid update then a buggy one.
There is so much red tape involved with these updates. Different models, countries, different regulations, government, etc.
Then, if they screw it up, and your personal info is compromised, this opens up a huge liability issue.
It's far more complicated then most people realize. Things happen. Hell, the whole apple/fbi thing has all the manufacturers thinking and making changes.
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If you wanted rapidly released updates, you should have bought a Nexus. If you want leading edge hardware and solid reliable software, stick with Samsung.
I do wish the OP the best with this.
Unfortunately, I have seen many of these petitions, and cannot recall not one that gave the desired result. Besides, it's petitioning the government to intervene in a company and its operation. That alone will doom this petition.
Kamau54 said:
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Signed
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It's not only Samsung's problem and actually Google's design problem called "Fragmentation", just google it, you will find tons of stuff.
Nevertheless, Android N most likely will solve the problem. Android N is separating the partitions of Google Core and Vendor/Carrier Customization.
The advantage will be, same day Google core software update rollout in all devices without any dependency on Vendor/Carrier customization and vice versa.
Google for more details on Android N.
Fingers crossed....

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