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May'be Apple had the right idea...

One Carrier. One device yearly. Multiple updates throughout the year. But one of the best parts, imo, No AT&T control. Apple seems to have complete control. I know a lot of people who really dislike that, but I know even more who are pulling their hair out because they signed a two year contract on a device that may never see Android 2.3. Or by the time it does there will be 20 newer, better and faster devices out with 3.0. It's frustrating when you not only have to wait on Google to produce a newer update, but then you have to wait on the phone manufacturer to produce an update due to their proprietary UI, and then have to wait on the carrier to add their bloatware and restrictions.
These forums are our only way to vent these frustrations. The carrier doesn't care, and the manufacturer doesn't care. They have your name on the dotted line. You are theirs for the next two years if you don't want an ETF.
Why not release stock Android with the option of carrier UI download?
Or at least a system where you can go to stock Android for your device, downloaded directly from Google in an itunes manner if you wanted.
I hear the term "fragmented" a lot these days when people talk about Android. So many devices with so many versions of Android.
I've heard talk of an Android overhaul with 3.0. May'be rumors.
When we do get 2.2, We will go through the whole thing over again for 2.3.
2.3 is already out. It should be made ready for all Android devices that can support it an be available as a download for those devices. At the same time the carriers should be working on their custom UI and have that downloadable ASAP. May'be that's impossible due to the fact that Google doesn't produce these devices, just the base software on them.
Just my rant/questions/vent

I do see your point.
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Samsung site is advertising 2.2 froyo for epic?
I never looked at it that way. We definitely wouldn't be that pissed now. Although samsung is slapping us in the face advertising froyo 2.2 for our phones here http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-features

And you are posting this in the forum of a device with a slideout keyboard and 4 inch SAMOLED screen.
Yes I sure would love to be locked into one form factor and system internals.

diego1985 said:
I never looked at it that way. We definitely wouldn't be that pissed now. Although samsung is slapping us in the face advertising froyo 2.2 for our phones here http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D700ZKASPR-features
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This ish pissis me off...... and I'm in us stuck on unofficial 2.2
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What device hasn't been upgraded either officially or through custom roms within a year of its release to a newer build of Android? The iPhone gets updates once a year.
Anyone pulling their hair out because their device isn't getting an official port of Android 2.3 is an idiot to begin with. Buy devices that are worthy on their own with current software. Don't hope that you MAY get an update to make it the phone you really want. And if you somehow NEED to get updates because your e-peen just won't be big enough without the latest Android build on your phone, then buy a damn nexus 1 or S.

dakarf said:
And you are posting this in the forum of a device with a slideout keyboard and 4 inch SAMOLED screen.
Yes I sure would love to be locked into one form factor and system internals.
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Just talking about one slice of the Apple, not the whole thing. There is also something good to be said of openness and choice.
There is just so much anger and frustration when it comes to Android and I think a lot of it has to do with manufacturer and carrier control and their decision to keep the consumer out of the loop. Vague and general answers are not much better than no answers at all. The "you'll get it when you get it" attitude some people have, although it's true, does not ease the sense of irritation.

Theres no way cr-apple had the right idea, there while system is flawed right down to one piece of hardware for all. All other things aside, I hate apple hardware period. And everyone having the sandstone except for color is stupid. Android ftw. Open hardware/software ftw. Samoled ftw.
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Maybe Froyo will come soon with these changes coming to the website. We know its close.
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While maybe apple doesn't have the right idea it sounds like windows phone 7 may have it right. Multiple devices, multiple carriers, multiple form factors, manufacterer controlled updates. Too bad its not as awesome as android yet
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The thing is its messy right now but once 3.0 comes things will change a lot...why? simple, right now Google is releasing bi-annually..and not waiting for manufacturers to catch up...once 3.0 hits Android will be released once a year...Google will also start working closer with their partners and manufacturers...
In reality I don't think Apple or WP7 has the right idea...simply because right now entered a cell phone age..aka phone specs are jumping every year by a good leap...
Apple has a policy where they upgraded the 3gs and the 3g to version 4 which is nice for average consumers..but at the same time it kinda forces partners to limit themselves to the minimum specs...same will happen with WP7 and their minimum of snapdragons...once dual cores come out and apps take advantage of these, all WP7 devices will be left behind because the apps have to be backwards compatible with the lower specced versions..(now I know they may have implementations of which hardware can use what App..but then both M$ and Apple would be eating their own words of "fragmentation" as they call it)
I can understand how an average consumer would be left out right now..but at same time average consumer does not care much for upgrades as much as we do either...either way past 3.0 it will get a lot better..

apple and windows are limited because thats the way they want it. f*** that. this android is the most universal device ive ever seen. the os is written very well. i like no limits or restrictions to the possibilities other than the hardware. do you really think the next iphone will have a dual core sssshhhhtttt i doubt it. even if it does it will still be slower than this phone ha. google is getting their act together with android because it is in their best interest because they will make way more money off of all the advertising from everytime we search stuff and the info they get from when we use navigation.

Samsung Bad Press= Good!

with the most recent accusations of Samsung holding back OS updates and supposidly charging for carriers aquiring Foyo i cant help but feel like this bad press will be a good thing for us all because Samsung will be force to issue some quality control on OS pushes as well as firware updates. so all this negativity can turn positive, they have to because there is an onslaught on all tech sites talking about the customer reactions and all this crap. word to your moms

Google provides operating system updates to the Nexus S, not Samsung. Samsung simply manufactured the hardware; Google provides Android updates. This has been reiterated many many times now.
That is one of the main reasons why anybody bought this phone in the first place ... because we DON'T have to worry about Samsung handling software updates.

my bad, i mainly meant in generality regarding all samsung devices getting os updates. but regarding nexus s, samsung firmware updates, if any, are needed.

dudeimgeorge said:
my bad, i mainly meant in generality regarding all samsung devices getting os updates. but regarding nexus s, samsung firmware updates, if any, are needed.
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I don't think even other devices will benefit much from a little bad press for a couple of reasons.
#1 Samsung was the #1 seller of Android devices in the world last year, DESPITE a reputation in the geek community of being slow/poor about software updates. Why should they change? Whatever they're doing is working for them!
#2 The vast majority of people who buy Samsung phones, even state of the art ones like the Galaxy S line, aren't geeks, don't read geek sites, and don't even know what eclair/froyo/gingerbread are. They don't know what a software update is, and they don't care. The mainstream press doesn't cover this stuff, so most of Samsung's consumer market is oblivious to any of this. It's a bit of a tempest in a teapot..

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I don't think even other devices will benefit much from a little bad press for a couple of reasons.
#1 Samsung was the #1 seller of Android devices in the world last year, DESPITE a reputation in the geek community of being slow/poor about software updates. Why should they change? Whatever they're doing is working for them!
#2 The vast majority of people who buy Samsung phones, even state of the art ones like the Galaxy S line, aren't geeks, don't read geek sites, and don't even know what eclair/froyo/gingerbread are. They don't know what a software update is, and they don't care. The mainstream press doesn't cover this stuff, so most of Samsung's consumer market is oblivious to any of this. It's a bit of a tempest in a teapot..
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well this outlook of yours i thought about, and to be honest i feel that samsung is going to have a dreadful following year. If not in general, definently in our geek community

dudeimgeorge said:
well this outlook of yours i thought about, and to be honest i feel that samsung is going to have a dreadful following year. If not in general, definently in our geek community
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What percentage of the Samsung consumer base is made up of we geeks?
I doubt they'll have a dreadful year; perhaps not as good as last, but they still have the absolute best screen tech available, and they're pushing it out on a wide range of phones from 3" to 4.5". SAMOLED and SAMOLED + will sell a lot of phones alone, even to geeks who know that they'll eventually have a nice ROM from cyanogen or others eventually.

Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego? I mean, where in the world is the 2.3.2 update for the plethora of bugs and glitches in GB, Google?

dudeimgeorge said:
my bad, i mainly meant in generality regarding all samsung devices getting os updates. but regarding nexus s, samsung firmware updates, if any, are needed.
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Unless I misunderstood the bold statement. Samsung isn't doing any updates whatsoever on the Nexus S. It's all done by Google. Everything. Since there is no such thing as free hardware updates, Samsung's only involvement with the Nexus S and manufacturing it.

DKYang said:
Unless I misunderstood the bold statement. Samsung isn't doing any updates whatsoever on the Nexus S. It's all done by Google. Everything. Since there is no such thing as free hardware updates, Samsung's only involvement with the Nexus S and manufacturing it.
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You are correct. ALL software support, including firmware, is Google's responsibility for the Nexus S. THIS IS GOOGLE'S PHONE.

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Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego? I mean, where in the world is the 2.3.2 update for the plethora of bugs and glitches in GB, Google?
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How many is a "plethora"? 5-6? You sound as if the phone is unusable.

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How many is a "plethora"? 5-6? You sound as if the phone is unusable.
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Since plethora isn't defined beyond "excess", I guess it depends on what your tolerance threshold for major bugs is.
Some people are finding the phone unusable, at least unreliably usable, because of a couple of major bugs:
1) Random reboots with no rhyme or reason.
2) Reboots during a call, randomly, no rhyme or reason as to why or when.
3) Reboots while being charged.
4) SMS bug where someone other than the intended recipient gets the message. (OTA out soon for this one per Samsung.)
5) Ringtone assignments randomly changing, resulting in people not hearing the phone ring or missing SMS notifications (because sound randomly picked can also be "none").
So there's at least 5 I can list off the top of my head. Perhaps the guy you were responding to has a different list.
I've only experienced #2 and #5, and there's a work-around for #5, so the phone's "usable" for me, but it's been a bit of a nervous experience being on phone call wondering if it's going to reboot.

DKYang said:
Unless I misunderstood the bold statement. Samsung isn't doing any updates whatsoever on the Nexus S. It's all done by Google. Everything. Since there is no such thing as free hardware updates, Samsung's only involvement with the Nexus S and manufacturing it.
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i'll tell you one thing google forgot to ask samsung for, or samsung didnt give to google, and that is the browser GPU acceleration fix that was given to the galaxy phones on 2.1.
so there's an example where samsung, the hardware manaufacturer, has a specific driver for their very specific hardware. it perhaps may be something that would take google too many months to build from scratch on their own without technical insight from the hardware vendor.

Google - No Honeycomb AOSP for you!

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.

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http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.
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More beta BS. I'll sell you a car but we only completed the frame.

Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.

Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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LMAO!
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i dont understand what will make it "ready" if they are planning on eventually releasing it what will keep it from being ported to phones then. If its a matter of incompleteness then what's changed since Cupcake which everyone agrees was more .8 than 1.0. Releasing it to dev's will allow for bugfixes and tweaks to get merged upstream.

It will leak eventually. It always does...
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Yea I dont understand google some times. I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.

They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?

This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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As much of a ROM guy as I am, I admit this makes sense from a business stand point. Google makes $ from licensing and distribution (with regards to Android). The hacker communities do not make up said market for the most part.
The worst thing companies combat these days is negative publicity.
I owned an iPhone, two iterations, the 3G and the original. Why did my mother never purchase one, nor my sister? Simply because of how locked down they are due to MY advice. Were they ever going to buy said device due to their hackability? Hell no. But because I said it was sh**** that Apple locks their stuff down so much, they declined to buy said hardware.
Releasing the software for Google could have a lot of negative effects on a BRAND NEW operating system for a BRAND NEW market for Google. If people are throwing this on phones, you search it out on the internet, and everything is Honeycomb this sucks, and honeycomb that sucks, due to people using it on phones, most people who try to do basic research, like my mother, or sister,
will only see "THIS SUCKS".
Just my 2c, but I can see their stand point. Until they can find a way to keep it off the phones, I see this as an issue for google.
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They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?
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Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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thegeektern said:
I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.
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My understanding of that article is that Google doesn't feel its ready for phones. It's not that its not ready for tablets. They understand that they won't be able to stop people from using HC on phones, but trying to stave off the inevitable...
this HC thing looks like crap.... oh.. on my phone. In the end.. we are talking about a company here.. a company that needs to keep it's image.. and products.. (or software as you may call it).. as good as possible.
I don't think it's the best move Google could have made, but I think Google should do things in it's best interest to keep itself as a company in good standing. Long and short of it.. if things go south for google.. we'll all be unhappy. Just getting things out for the sake of allowing devs to play doesn't mean its the most sound decision for the company making it.
Yes, I know.. it's 'open source', but it is still a work-product. I think it's also entirely likely this is just a marketing ploy to say 'we told you so'.. and then it will get leaked and everything will go back to normal. But I still think people often forget that this is still a company that has to keep itself together to survive.
EDIT: So many things get written in the same time when you respond to a post! It seems as though I am joining the choir of.. this isn't so bad.

Sirchuk said:
This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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Well that hasn't stopped devs on xda porting it already - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978939

Darn you almostinsane, I was just about to post this but you beat me to it!
Its really unfortunate that Google is doing this, whatever happened to a completely open source OS? In my honest opinion I think they should release it to the public and let the various devs have at it and see what can be improved and take those improvements into consideration for the next release of Android. If the OS was only meant for tablets who is to say that x developer can port it to a handheld flawlessly? It would be a HUGE leap ahead for us and for big ol' G.
Either way, it'll happen with or without Google releasing the source as our one dev spacemoose1 has shown us with making a near perfect port to the Samsung tab of honeycomb.
Stinks money is such an issue, Google doesn't really need anymore haha.
Done with my rant now
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Another business reason for this decision: Google may not have programmed Honeycomb well.
An obvious(?) repercussion for grimy source code going public is more bashing of Honeycomb's alleged "beta-ness". The more app developers that use the ...poisonous open-source code, the more ...poisoned apps there will be.
Or, they want to curb full-blown Honeycomb from appearing on devices other than the Xoom for just a little longer.

you're right. I just hate that its true. Your sig shows you remember the G1 days when we were all just so happy about what our phone COULD do. It's gotten a lot whinnier around here since then.
Sirchuk said:
Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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As a ROM enthusiast; yea this sucks. Business it's understandable; but as the former it doesn't make me happy.
My NC sorely needs a aosp honeycomb, HC's tablet interface is superior to even CM7 on it.
Honestly though it's a lot of speculation here on why, but it really just sounds like an excuse (Bad one) to quiet the devs while really being a straight business decision.

How is not releasing honeycomb aosp right away not being open? Would you like all your roms without SD card support right now? Honeycomb is most likely stable enough for normal use for the average consumer and Google had to make footprint in the tablet industry before ipad2 was announced. Things were obviously rushed so i rather wait for them get everything situated. I think this unfortunate news but I'm not gonna cry foul when its something that's probably for the better. Google has proven with each iteration of android they have released source so just be patient
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Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.
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I don't understand the logic here. What alternative are you seeking? Take it back for the Galaxy 10.1? It runs the same OS. Take it back for an iPad? It runs a closed OS.
The AOSP release is delayed ... maybe. Why would you return your Xoom because of this?
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This is why Android sucks - Update hell

Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.

Stop whining.

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Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.
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I only see Xoom and TF having HC 3.2 so far. Everybody else is still on 3.1.

It just came out...geez cry me a river...return and get a bulky tab with crappy screen....u sound like those guys on vibrant forum...go pout somewhere else! And most of us are running touchwiz...spend less time complaining about the best tab out and learn to flash.
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take it back and go get yourself an Ipad then

You sir need an I pad..

And you still got a GT 10.1 because...?

i do totally agree with you about Samsung really, really sucking it in the update department. The problem with Samsung is they build really awesome and powerful devices but they just don't build the software to match up with them. That is why we have XDA. Dude you can run touchwhiz and you can update. Just give it some time and you will see some better things on here that Samsung can't even come close to touching. This is a brand new tab and only a few weeks old. Give everyone a chance to pick one up and then this forum is going to blow up.

OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.

Once ics comes out and the source is released there won't be a problem.

you are right about google
But the hardware vendors are responsible for the updates.
So it is Samsung.
Google has no idea how they are going to enforce update policy and there is no guarantee Samsung will even upgrade the 10.1.

i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.

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A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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I bet most of them would be able to tell you what features are buggy on their device though

stillblood said:
i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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What don't you understand? That I am a tech savy individual but want to have the most up-to-date software on my device in a timely time-frame? Or that I DO NOT want to Root or Flash my Tablet? Be serious. Your telling him to basically get a iPad because they offer updates across the board. That's not a good thing for Android.

DO NOT WANT TO ROOT OR FLASH !!?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON XDA THEN ?!! LOLZ
you guys are funny to post these complains here, if you want something official ?
go on Samsung's website/facebook or just send them a bunch of hate mail.
jeeez

tabing said:
OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.
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Actually 8. 2 iPhone's, 2 iPod Touches, 4 iPad's. #justsayin

Android is to college as the iPad is to high school. It's more work but the rewards are greater.
There are plenty of people happy with the iPad. Personally, I'm not going to settle for a device that my grandmother can use.

I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.

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I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.
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I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.

Phil_Glisson said:
I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.
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I look outside my office and see 10 cubicles, all with PCs running Windows XP. It's stable and runs like a work horse. And, you know what? They get their job done every day and go home at the end of the week with a paycheck. Never once have they asked for Windows 7.
I simply can't imagine what the next version of Android, or Touchwiz, will do for the average user to make it worth venting about on a public forum simply because they didn't get it NOW.

Note5 Marshmallow update

So I've been thinking. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think the wait for the update won't be nearly as long as years past.... The reasoning behind my theory is the fact that Samsung didn't fragment the devices this time around. We always seen the Exynos (international versions) get the update within a month of release. And then snap dragons always took 4-5 months probably because of the out of house support and the carriers slowing down the process.. I'm thinking a month or two tops. Thoughts?

on verizon so I will be lucky to even get an update before I move on to a new phone

AT&T. I'm hoping around next decade. I'm being a little too optimistic, but one can hope.
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Considering what Lollipop did to my Note 4 I won't be updating reguardless. Everything works just fine as it is.
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xtrandrix said:
Considering what Lollipop did to my Note 4 I won't be updating reguardless. Everything works just fine as it is.
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Lollipop was one of the largest updates in Android history with a crap ton of new code and ui. Marshmallow while adding some new api's and features is primarily a bug fix and performance update.
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Whatever it is, this is one of the major drawbacks of Android as a platform.
I'm not sure we can just point the finger at one company in particular.
It's just the way Android is, with Google, OEM's, carriers.
They need to simplify this update process. It's a huge advantage iOS has over Android.
Somehow, someway Google, Samsung and others need to expedite the update process so customers can update just as quickly as their iPhone counterparts.

HNIC215 said:
Whatever it is, this is one of the major drawbacks of Android as a platform.
I'm not sure we can just point the finger at one company in particular.
It's just the way Android is, with Google, OEM's, carriers.
They need to simplify this update process. It's a huge advantage iOS has over Android.
Somehow, someway Google, Samsung and others need to expedite the update process so customers can update just as quickly as their iPhone counterparts.
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As much as I'd like to see it, Google would be killing the USP of their Nexus line.

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As much as I'd like to see it, Google would be killing the USP of their Nexus line.
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I disagree with this as their Nexus line would still have unlock able bootloaders, stock pure android not skinned and highly mod-able. So there would still very the same market for the Nexus line.
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Google should start giving the OEMs the beta builds a few months before they announce them. So that they can do their testing and have it sorta coincide with the nexus release even if they follow a few weeks later. But the months are ridiculous

I feel like they need to cut the carriers out of this process. Apple doesn't include them, so why should Google/Samsung/Any other OEM?
One of the things people will say is without the carriers android phones won't sell but I disagree.
These carriers don't want Apple to have all the power, Apple already made a major play against carriers by releasing their own Apple Upgrade Program. Which will definitely be very popular and reduce people using carrier financing plans.
So while I think at first the carriers might play hardball to get their wishes, in the end, Google and Android OEM's will come out victorious.
Even if this happened, there is still an extra step in the process with Android because Google would first have to update their OS and then pass it on to each OEM so that they can update their own respective interface and UI elements (TouchWiz, HTC Sense, etc...)
That's still better than the current system: Google -> OEM -> Carrier -> Consumers
With these changes, it would make it: Google -> OEM -> Consumers
Which is still one more step than Apple's process: Apple -> Consumers
Google could help that by pushing it to the OEM's more quickly or including them early on in the update process.
Something!
I switch phones often between iOS, Android, (even Windows Phone - Although this has stopped due to lack of hardware to play with).
Each platform has their pros and cons but getting updates quickly is one of the best things I love about iOS.
If this was fixed, I think it would level the playing field by a huge margin. Most other gripes would be software related and could be fixed easily through updates or hardware related which wouldn't be that big of an issue due to all the variety among Android OEM's.
Why does Apple get all that power? No one else? Not Windows Phone or Android? It's not fair and both Microsoft and Google need to step it up!
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nique0201 said:
Google should start giving the OEMs the beta builds a few months before they announce them. So that they can do their testing and have it sorta coincide with the nexus release even if they follow a few weeks later. But the months are ridiculous
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Exactly! You typed this as I was typing my long rant, lol.

Carriers are what ruin timely Android device updates. What excuse does AT&T have still having 5.0.1 for their S6? Seriously, I want to actually have a conversation with an AT&T software engineer and ask why their heads are up their asses?
The fact that the Galaxy S6, one of AT&T's flagship devices is still on 5.0.1 makes me wonder if we will see 6.0 on the Note 5 any time in the next couple of years.

fchowd0696 said:
Carriers are what ruin timely Android device updates. What excuse does AT&T have still having 5.0.1 for their S6? Seriously, I want to actually have a conversation with an AT&T software engineer and ask why their heads are up their asses?
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Our happiness/satisfaction is not a priority for them.
They just want our money... Smh

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Our happiness/satisfaction is not a priority for them.
They just want our money... Smh
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If by "our happiness," you mean geeks like us who read tech sites, then you'd be absolutely correct. No company is ever going to care what we think because we're an abysmally small segment of the market. Of all the people who buy Android phones in the world, very few actually care about that version number that shows up in Settings | About Phone.
Further, we also tend to be among the cheapest people around. Whenever people start complaining about a phone being overpriced, those comments come from tech geeks more often than not.
Money talks and BS walks. If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that.
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AT&T. I'm hoping around next decade. I'm being a little too optimistic, but one can hope.
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Lol this killed me, this is my case and it's so true.

Earlier they said that Sammy are bout to give a major update to S6/edge/edge+ and Note 5! Maybe(I say now) it's marshmallow!
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oldblue910 said:
If by "our happiness," you mean geeks like us who read tech sites, then you'd be absolutely correct. No company is ever going to care what we think because we're an abysmally small segment of the market. Of all the people who buy Android phones in the world, very few actually care about that version number that shows up in Settings | About Phone.
Further, we also tend to be among the cheapest people around. Whenever people start complaining about a phone being overpriced, those comments come from tech geeks more often than not.
Money talks and BS walks. If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that.
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I agree and disagree with some of the points you made...
I agree that our passion for technology and gadgets puts us in a niche category in comparison to the rest of Samsung/Apple/Any OEM's customer base as a whole.
When I said "our happiness" I meant consumers in general. I think everyone, whether they know or not, if shown facts and asked would say they want continued support for a product they spent money for. Whether it was $200 or $950.
There's really no indicator to say how many people understand software versions etc... Most I would assume and generally agree, like you said, don't know and don't care. I have been fortunate enough to travel, live and work abroad for many years in different parts of the world. One thing I noticed, is people all over the world are similar in some ways and different in others. Especially in regards to technology. However, it's a hard statistic to prove or show.
Not knowing something doesn't factor in my comment though.
Ignoring ignorance in it's simplest form, my point was if you know all the facts. Then you see how Apple is able to update their phones directly to their consumers without any carrier influence ,interference or delay. Then Google/Microsoft and other should be able to do the same.
I think when you hear compliments about Apple, it's not only physical about the hardware/software (which Android and OEM's compete pretty evenly now).
It's mainly about their customer service. That goes a long way with brand perception. That's why they have it and others don't. Their continued support for older models and current models is stellar!
You also say we (as in techies) "... tend to be the cheapest people around". I don't think so, I know, myself personally, I go through several premium phones a year. Money has never factored into it. I just want the best of the best. I know many techies who feel like me. I think T-Mobile created Jump-On-Demand for people like us. I would think the opposite would be true and a non-techie would care more about price rather than quality or specs.
Lastly, you say "If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that."
I think if OEM's want to compete with Apple they have to get non-techies to care about them. Not the opposite. I have no brand loyalty, I will use anything from any OEM, so long as their product and service is superior.
Just my two cents...

I hope android M is so good
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I have a feeling marshmallow might come sooner than previously (notice I didn't say soon) the fact that Google officially support finger print might mean that marshmallow note 5 maybe better and more accurate

md1008 said:
I have a feeling marshmallow might come sooner than previously (notice I didn't say soon) the fact that Google officially support finger print might mean that marshmallow note 5 maybe better and more accurate
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I hope so! That and a few adjustments here and there.
Really would make a great phone even better!

dsmpampis said:
Earlier they said that Sammy are bout to give a major update to S6/edge/edge+ and Note 5! Maybe(I say now) it's marshmallow!
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Source?