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Facing a problem here, and it's expectedly another Nexus 5 vs Moto X debate.
I'm really tempted to get the N5. I originally had my mind set on getting the G2 but seeing the prohibitive price and quality control problems I decided against it. The N5 is definitely very, very appealing with its $399 price tag and the fact that it isn't out of stock for 5 months like the N4 was (please, 32GB only please, I cannot live with 16GB, no if ands or buts).
However, the Moto X came along and threw a wrench into my plans. It just looks so awesome and sexy and it's got so many things that the N5 is missing. It's got a white front (+1 for Moto X), AMOLED screen (+1, at least for me), Active display or whatever its called (+1), Dual Krait with an Adreno 320 (big +1 for performance/efficiency balance). As for performance, I must say that I'm making a judgment based on the present, because the future is the whole point of this post.
Here's where it comes down to: how futureproof is this device? As it costs more than the N5, I would expect for it to last as long as the N5 but with the MSM8960T vs MSM8974 debate the Moto X doesn't fare well against the Nexus. I fear this because I had a Motorola Defy; the OMAP 3630 was good until the release of ICS, until CM9 came out. That was when the single Cortex-A8 core began showing its age and things really became less pleasant. That was also when all my buddies here took off and got new phones except for people from India who got the phone because it was cheap. They don't seem to mind, given that every ROM regardless of how laggy it is (most of them are) gets a "Wow, this ROM is really smooth!" from all the users.
What do you guys think? How futureproof do you think the Moto X is? Do you think that the S4 Pro here will yield a good smooth experience for 2 years or do you think that I would be better off with the Nexus 5? Of course, software is where it differs from the Defy; official updates stopped at 2.3 for the Defy but Motorola seems to be supporting the Moto X well.
Considering Google is making the future versions of Android to run better on lower end phones. I have no doubt future updates will be silky smooth!! I myself am not worrying to much about the future as this probably will be with me for under a year.
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Dumped my nexus 5. Abysmal battery life & speakers (good luck ever hearing a phone call coming through). I like the Moto X screen better, not to mention the features.
Plus who are we kidding, us techies get a new phone very year.
I could be wrong but I feel like the next big improvements in Smartphone tech will be battery efficiency, camera quality and new faster internet/radio speeds.
I honestly don't think we will see major improvements like we did in the last couple years as far as CPU/GPU power goes. Google also seems to be pushing efficiency (support for 512mb ram etc) with its most recent Android build. So really any currently "fast" phone will be just as fast a couple years from now. Just the camera/battery performance will be lackluster compared to its future competition. If you game a lot at max details on your phone I could see the N5 coming ahead a bit just because the S800/330 is a very powerful combo.
With that in mind if we look at the moto X vs N5 what do we see... well the Moto X definitely seems to have stronger battery performance and the cameras seem to be about the same overall (though excelling/failing in different areas). I pretty much faced the same question you do right now and decided to try out the Moto X first.
For me it was a little easier too because I snapped up a republic wireless model for $300, so the unlocked price is similar to the N5. Plus sprint has strong LTE in my area.
I look at it like this: phones like Nexus 5 that has to power a 1080 screen will need bigger hardware to deliver a smooth experience. Notice that all the phones equipped with Snapdragon 600, carries the Adreno 320 yet is reported to have a good browsing experience. My unprofessional opinion is that the reason Moto X feels as good as it does is because it uses the same GPU as the S4/HO but has a smaller resolution to power. As we've witnessed as far back as the Galaxy Nexus, you don't need a quad-core to have a snappy experience and that the experience is more GPU-dependent. A lot of N4 users disable 2 of their cores to save on battery power and still have a snappy experience.
Keep it for a year or little bit over that, sell the moto x and buy a new one. Just buy the device now and enjoy. If you think about future proof you can never buy anything. I mean with wearables, flexible screens and so many things going on who knows how the smartphone market will turn out in the near future. Nothing is future proof, Moto X will hold fine at least for a year or 15 months, sure there will be much faster devices than moto x, nexus 5 but that's the case for any phone.
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Not sure what carrier your on but if you can switch to Verizon, you can get the moto x for $50 I believe.
I agree with alpha's statement. We are due for a new battery technology and if that doesn't come soon then I believe the OS makers with be working on optimization of their OS's to increase battery life. Google's direction of lower spec requirements for devices on future of android builds shows this.
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Not sure what carrier your on but if you can switch to Verizon, you can get the moto x for $50 I believe.
I agree with alpha's statement. We are due for a new battery technology and if that doesn't come soon then I believe the OS makers with be working on optimization of their OS's to increase battery life. Google's direction of lower spec requirements for devices on future of android builds shows this.
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Verizon really? Most of their phones have that ugly Verizon logo branding, full of bloat, last in updates, last or sometimes will not get flagship phones. To top it off useless CDMA.
Sure their network is great but I would any day choose a gsm carrier where at least I can use any phone I want. Why support such a carrier who wants so much control and basically screw customers.
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Not sure what carrier your on but if you can switch to Verizon, you can get the moto x for $50 I believe.
I agree with alpha's statement. We are due for a new battery technology and if that doesn't come soon then I believe the OS makers with be working on optimization of their OS's to increase battery life. Google's direction of lower spec requirements for devices on future of android builds shows this.
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I'll see with the Nexus 5 first. I'm not a data user and I'm not one of those people who feel compelled to check their Facebook every 2 minutes, so I think I'm good. I'll just UC and run at 50% brightness and that should be good.
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Verizon really? Most of their phones have that ugly Verizon logo branding, full of bloat, last in updates, last or sometimes will not get flagship phones. To top it off useless CDMA.
Sure their network is great but I would any day choose a gsm carrier where at least I can use any phone I want. Why support such a carrier who wants so much control and basically screw customers.
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Sorry guys, I'm not American.
That means I'm stuck with TELUS at least they give you a 10% discount on your monthly bill if you bring an unlocked phone.
Don't forget the fact that Google owns Motorola since last year. They can have Motorola build the phone awesome like they have done for decades and focus their android team better on development for the Motorola phone. To me Google didn't buy one of the all time leading phone manufactures just to keep having asus or lg build their nexus line. The moto x has brought some industry firsts that make a big impact for the user. Something that has not really happened for awhile. Also how future proof are you wanting? This phone will last you 10 years I bet if you wanted it to. It's the mobile computer world, every month a better device and better software comes out to use the hardware, you can't really future proof a mobile phone, just learn to accept that and learn to be happy with whatever device you choose. A good way to decide is do this. Write down on paper the pros and con's that talky matter to you in the phone then add them up on a point system and choose that way.
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Don't forget the fact that Google owns Motorola since last year.
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Since 2k11
I buy nexus phones thinking I'll keep them for two years, but no matter how well the current one is working, I end up going nuts for the new model. Totally fine though as you can recoup a good deal after a year with a nexus phone. I usually end up spending less than $150 upgrading after selling the old one.
Regardless of what a new moto costs me, if they make an x sequel in this same form factor with better battery and a faster processor, I will buy it!
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They announced they were going to purchase Motorola in 2011, but didn't finalize the acquisition until May 2012.
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Cannot understate how much the constant GNex development kept the phone going for 2+years.
Moto X isn't going to benefit in this way. However, having had my phone usage/habits changed by Active Notifications and Voice controls, it will be extremely difficult to move "back" to a phone that doesn't have them; future-proofed or not.
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Cannot understate how much the constant GNex development kept the phone going for 2+years.
Moto X isn't going to benefit in this way.
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I agree, but frankly, the model has changed. Google is pushing out many of their updates either through the Play Store, or through updates to the Google Play Services. For instance, with they announced 4.3, many of the improvements highlighted were actually to the Play Services and they were pushed out to all phones running 4.1+.
Back when the GNex was introduced, most updates still had to get pushed through an actual OS upgrade. 2.x/3.x -> 4.x -> 4.1 were all major improvements that affected the core of the OS. 4.1 -> 4.2 -> 4.2.x -> 4.3 -> 4.4 have all been incremental changes, with many of the core features being available through Play Services. I'd go as far as saying the last serious change to the core OS, that really affected the whole user experience, was Project Butter in 4.1.
As much as I like new Android versions, people running on 4.1 are having a very similar user experience to people running on 4.4. They're running many of the same updates through Services or Play Store apps, the UI is consistent, and the performance is still excellent.
Turned into quite a long post, but I had a lot of the same thoughts when I decided to stick with a Moto X instead of getting another Nexus phone. The GNex was really excellent and its lifespan was substantially increased by devs and Project Butter. But I'm getting to a point where a stable phone with an official OS really hits all the notes I need, and with the new upgrade model, not to mention Moto's proactive 4.4 upgrade, I think this phone is going to have a good, long lifespan.
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Turned into quite a long post, but I had a lot of the same thoughts when I decided to stick with a Moto X instead of getting another Nexus phone. The GNex was really excellent and its lifespan was substantially increased by devs and Project Butter. But I'm getting to a point where a stable phone with an official OS really hits all the notes I need, and with the new upgrade model, not to mention Moto's proactive 4.4 upgrade, I think this phone is going to have a good, long lifespan.
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Absolutely! I would have been more than happy to stay on 4.2.2 for a while (although I love the 4.4 battery life increase :good: )
Motorola announced on their hangouts chat that it will be bringing android L to (old) moto g as well. But IMO we will probably get it later than the new version..
That's some great news!
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Thats great news
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Good news screen shot?
Great, wasn't surprise though
Here's the video: (11mins - New MotoG discussion begins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ne0Li7hvs&list=UUJkBIeTewoQGgtviUe5LH_g
Yup, listen the video from 21.00 mint.
He told past version can also expect/ will get the next L upgrade after New Moto G update:good:.
What i think is "Probability for Legacy Moto G upgrade is more, since New & Legacy version have same base H/W configuration, Except Camera & SD card slot (On major end of change) so If 2nd Gen is updated than it will not be a big deal for Motorola to upgrade the legacy product also.. "
That's all I wanted to hear.. Thanks again Motorola for this awesome device!! Switching from Sony to Motorola was one of the best decisions I've made... :beer:
very good news for a very good phone :good:
Shouldn't be a issue as the new one has same spec as the old one except the screen size and SD card
Great! I couldn't be happier with this phone
Yea we would be getting l but how long is the question! I think next year mid June
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Yea we would be getting l but how long is the question! I think next year mid June
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Are you serious? Motorola tends to roll out Android updates rather quickly. I would guess by this November or December at the latest.
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Are you serious? Motorola tends to roll out Android updates rather quickly. I would guess by this November or December at the latest.
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I thought he meant how long will it be supported til rather than when the L update would be released. Anyhow, either way, the L update would probably occur after the Moto G2 so dec/ Jan does seem reasonable. Of course it might take longer if you're locked with a carrier as we've already seen with 4.4.4.
Sorry I meant how we'd still get support for the device as seen in the pass where a lot of Moto devices lose support quickly
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Sorry I meant how we'd still get support for the device as seen in the pass where a lot of Moto devices lose support quickly
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They will at least support it as long as L is the active release. I'm guessing at least another year. And since the new Moto G is the same basic chipset as the current version, maybe even longer.
Awesome news.. So it's probably not too far fetched we may see cm12 and more..
Sony lover just got moto G first ever non Sony
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That's all I wanted to hear.. Thanks again Motorola for this awesome device!! Switching from Sony to Motorola was one of the best decisions I've made... :beer:
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So I can see many people are happy with the moto g, I just got mine and actually felt bad, like I was a trader to Sony! They have always been my favorite since cell phones first came out pretty much, I am however enjoying the G for the most part, only thing is....I thought the G was the x I think. Is the X a better phone than the G? Should I stick with the G, or get the X? Honestly tho, I'd really like if the G had T9 as well, any apk suggestions for good t9 keyboards? The ones in play all suck.
Thanks everyone! I am kind of glad I made the switch from Sony,? lol
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So I can see many people are happy with the moto g, I just got mine and actually felt bad, like I was a trader to Sony! They have always been my favorite since cell phones first came out pretty much, I am however enjoying the G for the most part, only thing is....I thought the G was the x I think. Is the X a better phone than the G? Should I stick with the G, or get the X? Honestly tho, I'd really like if the G had T9 as well, any apk suggestions for good t9 keyboards? The ones in play all suck.
Thanks everyone! I am kind of glad I made the switch from Sony,? lol
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The Moto X is the higher end phone to the Moto G. Not necessarily better however. Better for some people might not be better for you. The Moto X has a faster SoC and more RAM, a slightly larger screen and additional always-on voice functionality. Software wise they are essentially the same.
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So I can see many people are happy with the moto g, I just got mine and actually felt bad, like I was a trader to Sony! They have always been my favorite since cell phones first came out pretty much, I am however enjoying the G for the most part, only thing is....I thought the G was the x I think. Is the X a better phone than the G? Should I stick with the G, or get the X? Honestly tho, I'd really like if the G had T9 as well, any apk suggestions for good t9 keyboards? The ones in play all suck.
Thanks everyone! I am kind of glad I made the switch from Sony,�� lol
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I just ran away from Sony's side because the lack of updates.. That's why.. Besides, I started to like a lot more the AOSP UI rather that NXT UI on Sony devices... Just took a look at Xperia Z3 UI.. that battery icon is awful... too bad.. and that new launcher that looks like stock Android launcher just doesn't fit there, looks like Z3 comes with Nova Launcher as stock launcher.. That new UI on Sony (which will be present from now on in every Sony device) made me think I've made the right choice..
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So I can see many people are happy with the moto g, I just got mine and actually felt bad, like I was a trader to Sony! They have always been my favorite since cell phones first came out pretty much, I am however enjoying the G for the most part, only thing is....I thought the G was the x I think. Is the X a better phone than the G? Should I stick with the G, or get the X? Honestly tho, I'd really like if the G had T9 as well, any apk suggestions for good t9 keyboards? The ones in play all suck.
Thanks everyone! I am kind of glad I made the switch from Sony,? lol
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If you want t9 u can try smart keyboard pro.i am using that keyboard since my 1st smart phone.qwerty layout just not for my big thumb.
Yeah, its general chit-chat thread for the Moto X. there are some talks, question which don't' deserve dedicated threads so decided to put a common thread for such talks.
Here is fist query from my side:
Here is promotional video of the MotoX. I want to know which audio track is this? Maybe this is Motorola's own track which may not be available as commercial but I am in love with the track, especially the track gets interesting at the ending. Want to know what genre is this or any other closest audio track which resembles with this. Here is the video, please listen:
thank you
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/11/moto-x-review-2014/
Great great review!
10/10 will buy just need release already
Seems like the 17th is the rumor
Can we expect this kind of durability form the new Moto X ?? I don't think so. Bigger the phone grows, more fragile it. And the new model seems like has turned into more delicate device after adding that bigger display and thing metallic bezel.
I also seen similar tests for Samsung Galazy (S5 or similar) and LG G3 and all of them failed the tests.
What do you all think will happen with Moto since Punit Soni resigned? If someone is knowledgeable in business matters, with the company still do what they've been doing without the VP of product management?
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What do you all think will happen with Moto since Punit Soni resigned? If someone is knowledgeable in business matters, with the company still do what they've been doing without the VP of product management?
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No doubt he have had important role during Motorola's recovery days so this is definitely a loss. But here is another important thing that Motorola could fight back because of one magic combination : Google+Motorola.
Now Google doesn't seem to be interested in manufacturing thus they sold Motorola to Lenovo after doing bit of successful experiments and keeping few Motorola patents with them. We have seen how good the three models launched by Motorola under Google's ownership have turned out.
Future success and reputation of Motorola will depend on how Lenovo operates the company. They bought ThinkPad unit from IBM and carried the character of those laptops. But they didn't buy the whole brand so obviously they didn't use the IBM brand name with those laptops. Here they have bought the whole company along with brand name so I just hope that they let the Motorola keep going in it's own way, they don't mix Moto phones with their own phones and sell the mobile phones with Motorola brand name. Motorola has got it's own fan following which has just increased in the past one year because of distinct image their phones .have built up in recent time. Lenovo should respect expectations of those fans.
I am hoping for good but smelling mixed kind of probabilities.
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No doubt he have had important role during Motorola's recovery days so this is definitely a loss. But here is another important thing that Motorola could fight back because of one magic combination : Google+Motorola.
Now Google doesn't seem to be interested in manufacturing thus they sold Motorola to Lenovo after doing bit of successful experiments and keeping few Motorola patents with them. We have seen how good the three models launched by Motorola under Google's ownership have turned out.
Future success and reputation of Motorola will depend on how Lenovo operates the company. They bought ThinkPad unit from IBM and carried the character of those laptops. But they didn't buy the whole brand so obviously they didn't use the IBM brand name with those laptops. Here they have bought the whole company along with brand name so I just hope that they let the Motorola keep going in it's own way, they don't mix Moto phones with their own phones and sell the mobile phones with Motorola brand name. Motorola has got it's own fan following which has just increased in the past one year because of distinct image their phones .have built up in recent time. Lenovo should respect expectations of those fans.
I am hoping for good but smelling mixed kind of probabilities.
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I am loving the detailed post. Hopefully good things are to come, despite a loss
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I panicked a little when I went to log into XDA today, I thought I was forced to use Google+ to log in which would not be good.
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Future success and reputation of Motorola will depend on how Lenovo operates the company. They bought ThinkPad unit from IBM and carried the character of those laptops. But they didn't buy the whole brand so obviously they didn't use the IBM brand name with those laptops. Here they have bought the whole company along with brand name so I just hope that they let the Motorola keep going in it's own way, they don't mix Moto phones with their own phones and sell the mobile phones with Motorola brand name. Motorola has got it's own fan following which has just increased in the past one year because of distinct image their phones .have built up in recent time. Lenovo should respect expectations of those fans.
I am hoping for good but smelling mixed kind of probabilities.
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Based on the way they treated the thinkpad branding, I think there is a good chance they will make Motorola/Moto a line of the Lenovo brand. Lenovo are very good at driving down supply-chain cost. I think Motorola actually has a chance to increase global market share with them as a lower-price alternative to Samsung built with decent product design and quality. I'm not sure that is what I would want, but it would keep Motorola relevant.
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Based on the way they treated the thinkpad branding, I think there is a good chance they will make Motorola/Moto a line of the Lenovo brand. Lenovo are very good at driving down supply-chain cost. I think Motorola actually has a chance to increase global market share with them as a lower-price alternative to Samsung built with decent product design and quality. I'm not sure that is what I would want, but it would keep Motorola relevant.
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Lenovo shouldn't touch Motorola's product design and stuff. The only thing they should touch is the marketing side of it all. Maybe some of the camera stuff and battery also, but Moto is onto something with their Moto X lineup, and it'll only get better
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i have the phone in my hands. so far, MUCH better than my Nexus 4. the speed is there. the audio for the music is a tad bit better. the back of the phone is nice, it feels smooth but not slippery. i need to test battery now, so i will post that in the other thread
Been using an iPhone 5s for 4 months. Oh boy how much I miss android . using art as well
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i have the phone in my hands. so far, MUCH better than my Nexus 4. the speed is there. the audio for the music is a tad bit better. the back of the phone is nice, it feels smooth but not slippery. i need to test battery now, so i will post that in the other thread
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Cool. I'm upgrading from nexus 4 as well. Mines coming in tomorrow! My nexus 4 was still perfectly smooth though.
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Cool. I'm upgrading from nexus 4 as well. Mines coming in tomorrow! My nexus 4 was still perfectly smooth though.
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My Nexus 4 was dying in the battery department and it would always heat up. Moto X seems like the best mix of a Nexus and a consumer focused phone. I say consumer focused because Nexus phones have been targeted toward devs
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My Nexus 4 was dying in the battery department and it would always heat up. Moto X seems like the best mix of a Nexus and a consumer focused phone. I say consumer focused because Nexus phones have been targeted toward devs
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Agreed
Android L Coming this month to Moto Lineup???
Look at here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/general/android-l-month-t2878580
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i have the phone in my hands. so far, MUCH better than my Nexus 4. the speed is there. the audio for the music is a tad bit better. the back of the phone is nice, it feels smooth but not slippery. i need to test battery now, so i will post that in the other thread
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Many Congratulations
And you promised about review on plastic back cover, whever you get enough time And please some photos
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Android L Coming this month to Moto Lineup???
Look at here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/general/android-l-month-t2878580
Many Congratulations
And you promised about review on plastic back cover, whever you get enough time And please some photos
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I did say what the back of the phone is like earlier. What else do you want to know about the plastic? It's smooth but not too slippery. I don't think it's soft touch
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On the fence..
I cant decide if I want to get this. I loved the original Moto X but now I have the M8, which is great - no complaints, but I must confess I'm a phone junky (aren't we all?). I've looked at so many reviews and the only thing that still bothers me is the camera, and battery life compared to the M8. But then there's the next to pure android experience and motomaker....so tough.
Hello, i just wanted bring all of you together to read this thread. Ok so i know since you've been a Moto owner, you've heard or seen at least once insulting comment about your device or the Motorola company. For example, "Anything that Motorola makes sucks" "People only get them because they're cheap" "That phone is crappy". I know that those people are ignorant to other people's liking. I'm tired of hearing the same thing. A lot of people that own super expensive high end- flashy smartphones say things like that about devices like the Moto series. Well that really offends me, just because they might not be the most high-end smartphones or the most expensive smartphones doesn't mean they are worthless. We Moto owners take great pride in our device, we appreciate what we have and we value our smartphones.
If someone offered me a brand new Galaxy S6 and a brand new Moto X and said i could only pick one. I would pick the Moto X hands down without a doubt in my mind. Because I know, We know what matters in a smartphone. What is that? User experience and performance for the price. That's what a review comes down to at the end of the day. A company could make a super spec'd out smartphone but get the same review score as a phone a fraction of its cost. I know if i were to buy a $1000 smartphone it better be great in every aspect and i know if i bought a smartphone for half that price, i'm not expecting it to be perfect but i want to have a good performance. That's exactly what motorola does, it gives you a great performing phone for the price.
For example, the Moto G. It has a low price point but does everything you need it to do. If I want a super powerful gaming machine of a smartphone, I'm not going to buy the Moto G. Then give a bad review for not being able to do what i wanted it to. I'm gonna buy a smartphone with a powerful chipset. At the end of the day we Moto owners stand out. Other people don't seem to understand our taste in smartphones value. Im not saying if you own a super expensive phone you're a bad person or anything. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. All of you Moto owners, good job in picking a smartphone. It doesn't matter if you have a Moto E, a Moto G or a Moto X. We all are equal and unified. #Teammoto
Proof that price doesn't matter
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I have a Moto X 2013 and I had recently acquired a Samsung Galaxy S4. The S4 ran hotter, slower, and had screen issues. I ended up selling it for less than it cost for me to buy and repair the Galaxy S4. Custom rom support for the samsung galaxy S4 was amazing. I really look forward to seeing how the Moto X 2013 handles with lollipop.
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I would really like sd card slot.
This thread is full of win.
the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.
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the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.
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You're just jealous you didn't have the idea to create a badass thread like this.
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the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.
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You're just jealous you didn't have the idea to create a badass thread like this.
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Mods, please do everyone a favor and close this thread. While I truly appreciate someone trying to start something positive here about the Moto X, after the last couple of posts, I can see exactly where this thread is going and it's not a nice place. I'm all for people expressing their opinion but I think that it may be better for everyone that's on this forum to nip it in the bud. It's already starting to go downhill and this thread was started earlier today.
By the way, I do own a Moto X (2013) Developer Edition and think that it's a wonderful phone. The screen went black on the one that I owned all of a sudden a week and a half ago. I called Motorola and got a warranty replacement within one week. Thank goodness I had a Samsung Galaxy S3 that I could use as a backup but when I got my Moto X back, I realized the exact reason why I love the Motorola smartphones. Samsung Galaxy S3 drags when you compare it to the Moto X (2013) Developer Edition.
Glad to have my little speed demon back.
Coming from a proud Motorola Moto X owner.
Motorola is lame in case of updating moto x to lollipop while other phones are being updated as soon as new firmware is available.
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Motorola is lame in case of updating moto x to lollipop while other phones are being updated as soon as new firmware is available.
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That's odd. The only Android phones that I know of that get the updates as soon as the new firmware is available are the Nexus line of smartphones. All of the other ones, you do have to wait a little while before the update rolls out. You know, sometimes it is not the phone manufacturer's fault that the update is delayed. Sometimes it can be because of something on your wireless phone carrier's end. I know Verizon is famous for delaying the releases until all of their bloatware will work with the phone's update. I've experienced it on multiple phones with them (Samsung and Motorola) and that part is very frustrating. There is no need in throwing Motorola under the bus on this.
cindylike24 said:
That's odd. The only Android phones that I know of that get the updates as soon as the new firmware is available are the Nexus line of smartphones. All of the other ones, you do have to wait a little while before the update rolls out. You know, sometimes it is not the phone manufacturer's fault that the update is delayed. Sometimes it can be because of something on your wireless phone carrier's end. I know Verizon is famous for delaying the releases until all of their bloatware will work with the phone's update. I've experienced it on multiple phones with them (Samsung and Motorola) and that part is very frustrating. There is no need in throwing Motorola under the bus on this.
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As you see for moto x didnt get the update yet but my s4 got it. M not criticising moto i love my moto x but they are slow in contrast to updates..
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ajsonofgod said:
As you see for moto x didnt get the update yet but my s4 got it. M not criticising moto i love my moto x but they are slow in contrast to updates..
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Well, that's just an anomaly. Normally, Samsung is slow as molasses about their updates. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 8.0 Wi-Fi model and it hasn't received the Lollipop update yet. My sister has the S5 and she got her Lollopop update fairly quickly but her phone doesn't work as well as my Moto X does now. Wonder if Samsung pushed it out too quickly and didn't get all of the bugs out. Some of my friends have the Samsung phones that got the Lollipop update and while it runs okay, they also have issues with this new update.
Something to ponder. Maybe we ought to be patient and wait for the parties involved to get all the little kinks worked out of this update before they roll it out to everyone.
I really want to get this Moto X because I loved the 1st gen so much, but I feel like we will get screwed over when it's time for Android N and Android O. I'm not sure if I should go Moto X for the next two years or Nexus 6p. I'm coming from a Nexus 5 as my daily driver and I love the Nexus advantage man. Opinions?
Prestige_DOPE said:
I really want to get this Moto X because I loved the 1st gen so much, but I feel like we will get screwed over when it's time for Android N and Android O. I'm not sure if I should go Moto X for the next two years or Nexus 6p. I'm coming from a Nexus 5 as my daily driver and I love the Nexus advantage man. Opinions?
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Nexus guaranteed. Any other phone its up in the air. If you really care about immediate updates and bug fixes then its nexus. If updated are secondary or you can wait then moto. Plus anything can happen.
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Nexus guaranteed. Any other phone its up in the air. If you really care about immediate updates and bug fixes then its nexus. If updated are secondary or you can wait then moto. Plus anything can happen.
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I don't see how anyone could not have the latest update right away. I get so excited for new features I can't sit back and watch. Motorola claimed to be able to send get updates out faster due to no carriers but that doesn't guarantee support for the coming years its depressing this just hit me.
Really your preference, they are both solid devices. The better performer is the 6p, the moto x is a pretty close second. There's really no evidence comparing the two devices just yet, if that matters to you then wait a few more days until YouTubers post some comparison videos so you can get a closer look. Motorola is usually a month behind nexus devices for updates, but remember they are two to three months faster than your typical Samsung, lg etc..
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Really your preference, they are both solid devices. The better performer is the 6p, the moto x is a pretty close second. There's really no evidence comparing the two devices just yet, if that matters to you then wait a few more days until YouTubers post some comparison videos so you can get a closer look. Motorola is usually a month behind nexus devices for updates, but remember they are two to three months faster than your typical Samsung, lg etc..
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This is exactly the reason I went with moto instead of nexus. I also use my sd card (64gb) which I can't use in a nexus. They both run stock Android and are the best contenders right now for quick updates. Anyone else is going to be lagging behind or left behind.
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I really want marshmallow right now because of the memory merge feature sdcard will become internal memory no need to separate things anymore.
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I really want marshmallow right now because of the memory merge feature sdcard will become internal memory no need to separate things anymore.
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Soon.
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Think we're forgetting the benefit of being able to unlock the bootloader and easily load ROMS with the MXPE. This will allow the unit to endure long past other limited phones that were not unlockable or rootable. Before the MXPE I owned a Note 3. And in the last month I installed a lollipop ROM that was side loadable and that really boosted its lifespan and useability. I owned that phone for two years which could easily have lengthened that useability to another year or better. I came pretty close to not even purchasing the MXPE due to this fact but I figured a unlocked BL phone along with the improved camera on the MXPE made it wise to upgrade at this time. Not too many phones anymore can be unlocked and that, to me, is a huge factor-allowing for future upgrades regardless what the carrier or Moto does.
Our bootloader is unlocked. Motorola has been good about releasing sources so far. We already have one or two ROMs for our device. I'm waiting for CM official to be released, personally. I think the chances of us getting these updates are decent, at least from the community development standpoint. Officially, I'm a little concerned beyond M, but I won't be staying on stock that much longer.
But how do you guys feel on staying on a older version of Android when the new one gets released? Does it bother you any?
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But how do you guys feel on staying on a older version of Android when the new one gets released? Does it bother you any?
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Well...not all new versions of operating systems are better than their predecessors... ie. Windows 8.
Now I am one who usually is a bleeding-edge technology user but with that comes the whole bugs issue. There are those who are a bit more conservative. These guys do not mind waiting for a more perfected solution. You sound like you are a bleeding-edge kind of guy and that is a very frustrating position to be in when there is something new and you can not have it due to your choice of phone/manufacturer. In that case I feel your pain. But for me the MXPE seems to be the the best balance in the regard.
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But how do you guys feel on staying on a older version of Android when the new one gets released? Does it bother you any?
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I bought this phone rather than a Nexus because of its SD. That's more important to me than waiting a month or two for M. Now, if a new Android version drops in a year and Moto denies MXPE owners the upgrade, I'll grit my teeth and think about moving back to Samsung. I'll admit, it would shock me though...
<rant>Headslap for Googler who nixed SD for the Nexus. Stupid.</rant>
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I really want marshmallow right now because of the memory merge feature sdcard will become internal memory no need to separate things anymore.
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Prepare ur UHS-II card.
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In my honest opinion I don't think Motorola will abandon this device, they have put a lot of emphasis on their definition of the word "pure" and what it entails. Also, like a few people have stated, you can significantly increase the lifespan by easily unlocking the bootloader and installing custom roms. Once cyanogenmod rolls out a stable release they are usually followed by nightly updates, literally almost every night for a long, long time. My LG G2 has been getting nightly updates since 2013.
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In my honest opinion I don't think Motorola will abandon this device, they have put a lot of emphasis on their definition of the word "pure" and what it entails. Also, like a few people have stated, you can significantly increase the lifespan by easily unlocking the bootloader and installing custom roms. Once cyanogenmod rolls out a stable release they are usually followed by nightly updates, literally almost every night for a long, long time. My LG G2 has been getting nightly updates since 2013.
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It's all fun cool until their new flagship comes out. We'll see how they treat the 2014 Pure edition.
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It's all fun cool until their new flagship comes out. We'll see how they treat the 2014 Pure edition.
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This was the driving point for me leaving Samsung after the s3. Samsung would not even push any otas of the newest version of Android until their newest flagship with that update was released and had enough time in the light. They also hardly updated it to the newest version of touchwiz that the new flagship had, almost forcing those users to upgrade to get those features.
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This was the driving point for me leaving Samsung after the s3. Samsung would not even push any otas of the newest version of Android until their newest flagship with that update was released and had enough time in the light. They also hardly updated it to the newest version of touchwiz that the new flagship had, almost forcing those users to upgrade to get those features.
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EXACTLY and to think... Carriers expected us to keep a phone for 2 years at that time.
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This depends on the version I am left with. My G2 was left on a very buggy version Lollipop. I elected to stay on KitKat due to better battery life and overall better performance of the phone. I like to be on the latest version if it is better but am satisfied staying on an older version if it does everything I need. Granted, I am not a gamer and use my phone mostly for voice calls, emails, Tapatalk, web surfing as needed, and text messages.
None of the Android phones are getting updates on a schedule sufficient to come anywhere close to mitigating security vulnerabilities. Not even Nexus. Most phones are likely infected with malware, even Nexus. All it takes is one of hundreds of infected apps, still up for download from the Google Play Store.
This aspect of the Android ecosystem is shameful. Evidently, there is not enough money in the business model to do a good job at this. Google made a big PR release promising better updates for all including cheap Android One devices, and ratcheted the promises up further after the first Stagefright exploit hit the news, and what really came of all the promises? Not much. A little better update performance for the few big names already known for better (but still pathetic) update performance.
So since security is already nonexistent, and updates will never resolve that, the only remaining reason to care is fault corrections (aka bug fixes) and features/support. The XT1575 is not perfect but it does OK in those two categories for me at 5.1.1, no worse than other phones I've had. I'll take an OTA to get LTE Band 12 /VoLTE when it comes, but otherwise don't see a compelling reason to care much about updates since the security vulns are going to be there anyway, and updates always introduce at least as many faults as they fix.
As for long-term support: This whole thing converges on a 2 year life cycle. You run into rapidly diminishing returns after that, it's not worth it to keep the phone going after 2 years. (Spent a lot of time and money keeping phones going past 2 years, believe me it's not worth it, chunk it and get a new one after 2 years.) So who cares if updates stop somewhere after a year?
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I don't see how anyone could not have the latest update right away. I get so excited for new features I can't sit back and watch. Motorola claimed to be able to send get updates out faster due to no carriers but that doesn't guarantee support for the coming years its depressing this just hit me.
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I don't jump on the newest Android versions immediately, for two reasons.
1). Compatibility issues.
For example, you have a new major version of Android out that changes the way some UI elements are displayed. Not every app you have installed will be updated to support that on day 1. A fully-functional-but-slightly-older phone beats a bleeding-edge-mostly-functional phone.
2). You lose root.
This isn't an issue on an unlocked bootloader phone like the MXPE. But to date, most Android phones have locked bootloaders, and only got root through discovering some exploit. A new version of Android means potentially losing root, and potentially requiring the dev community to find another exploit to gain root. A rooted-but-slightly-older phone beats an unrooted-and-carrier-bloatware-loaded phone.
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