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Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/13/samsung-plastic-designs/
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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EnIXmA said:
They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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Lol, +1, couldn't agree more
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.

I read this earlier, who knows if it's true. Seems like people just throw random stuff out in the hopes that it sticks. I mean, sooner or later something they say has to be right. I have always said that Samsung should buy HTC and let them design the hardware and let Samsung do the software. A match made in heaven.

Touchwiz on the One would make me ****ing puke.

Funkym0nkey said:
As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
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You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense

hamdir said:
You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
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Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I'm with you. Same story. Don't pay any attention to the other guy. He spews the same stuff over and over again.
As for Samsung, I'll believe it when I see it. I remember the S3 was supposed to be ceramic or something...
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What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story

hamdir said:
What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
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I'd say battery life is a disappointment. My camera lens was scuffed within a week because of the design. My unit also had the Wi-Fi hardware defect. It has nothing to do with the HTC logo. I scrapped the Nexus 4 because of the weak glass too.
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Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
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As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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Epic post, I feel the exact same way as I have used many phones from many different manufacturers, even different OS. The folks that enjoy tech the most are those that keep an open mind and see good things in all brands, not the close minded that are stubborn, in fact they are the most unhappy.

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.

MohJee said:
I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
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And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.

ataft said:
And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
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Well I guess we all went way OT lol but one last point. You're right, being a loyal consumer is a good thing ( although I disagree that you should be like you mentioned, it's a personal choice). The issue is that some consumers are loyal to one brand and dismiss or try to discredit other brands or one brand in particular(definition of a fanboy), that's the issue that we are discussing.

Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.

BarryH_GEG said:
As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
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There was a real image of an LCD S4 prototype. My friend said he had seen 3 different S4 prototypes. And the article of OP also mentioned about the metal prototype of S4.
And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)

Build quality goes out the window when you put a decent case on your phone so who cares man.

daleski75 said:
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
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Competition is the mother of innovation. Personally I set my top criteria when looking for a new phone: will it feel
robust in my hand. This always leads me back to aluminium (granted, 2nd criteria is: Not Apple)
hung2900 said:
And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
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I certainly don't want multi-window on any platform below 8 inches. No matter what res you're running there just isn't enough physical realestate (that chat-head that FB messenger pushed out is getting disabled! There's no part of the screen it WON'T get in the way)
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Futureproofing

Facing a problem here, and it's expectedly another Nexus 5 vs Moto X debate.
I'm really tempted to get the N5. I originally had my mind set on getting the G2 but seeing the prohibitive price and quality control problems I decided against it. The N5 is definitely very, very appealing with its $399 price tag and the fact that it isn't out of stock for 5 months like the N4 was (please, 32GB only please, I cannot live with 16GB, no if ands or buts).
However, the Moto X came along and threw a wrench into my plans. It just looks so awesome and sexy and it's got so many things that the N5 is missing. It's got a white front (+1 for Moto X), AMOLED screen (+1, at least for me), Active display or whatever its called (+1), Dual Krait with an Adreno 320 (big +1 for performance/efficiency balance). As for performance, I must say that I'm making a judgment based on the present, because the future is the whole point of this post.
Here's where it comes down to: how futureproof is this device? As it costs more than the N5, I would expect for it to last as long as the N5 but with the MSM8960T vs MSM8974 debate the Moto X doesn't fare well against the Nexus. I fear this because I had a Motorola Defy; the OMAP 3630 was good until the release of ICS, until CM9 came out. That was when the single Cortex-A8 core began showing its age and things really became less pleasant. That was also when all my buddies here took off and got new phones except for people from India who got the phone because it was cheap. They don't seem to mind, given that every ROM regardless of how laggy it is (most of them are) gets a "Wow, this ROM is really smooth!" from all the users.
What do you guys think? How futureproof do you think the Moto X is? Do you think that the S4 Pro here will yield a good smooth experience for 2 years or do you think that I would be better off with the Nexus 5? Of course, software is where it differs from the Defy; official updates stopped at 2.3 for the Defy but Motorola seems to be supporting the Moto X well.

Considering Google is making the future versions of Android to run better on lower end phones. I have no doubt future updates will be silky smooth!! I myself am not worrying to much about the future as this probably will be with me for under a year.
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Dumped my nexus 5. Abysmal battery life & speakers (good luck ever hearing a phone call coming through). I like the Moto X screen better, not to mention the features.
Plus who are we kidding, us techies get a new phone very year.

I could be wrong but I feel like the next big improvements in Smartphone tech will be battery efficiency, camera quality and new faster internet/radio speeds.
I honestly don't think we will see major improvements like we did in the last couple years as far as CPU/GPU power goes. Google also seems to be pushing efficiency (support for 512mb ram etc) with its most recent Android build. So really any currently "fast" phone will be just as fast a couple years from now. Just the camera/battery performance will be lackluster compared to its future competition. If you game a lot at max details on your phone I could see the N5 coming ahead a bit just because the S800/330 is a very powerful combo.
With that in mind if we look at the moto X vs N5 what do we see... well the Moto X definitely seems to have stronger battery performance and the cameras seem to be about the same overall (though excelling/failing in different areas). I pretty much faced the same question you do right now and decided to try out the Moto X first.
For me it was a little easier too because I snapped up a republic wireless model for $300, so the unlocked price is similar to the N5. Plus sprint has strong LTE in my area.

I look at it like this: phones like Nexus 5 that has to power a 1080 screen will need bigger hardware to deliver a smooth experience. Notice that all the phones equipped with Snapdragon 600, carries the Adreno 320 yet is reported to have a good browsing experience. My unprofessional opinion is that the reason Moto X feels as good as it does is because it uses the same GPU as the S4/HO but has a smaller resolution to power. As we've witnessed as far back as the Galaxy Nexus, you don't need a quad-core to have a snappy experience and that the experience is more GPU-dependent. A lot of N4 users disable 2 of their cores to save on battery power and still have a snappy experience.

Keep it for a year or little bit over that, sell the moto x and buy a new one. Just buy the device now and enjoy. If you think about future proof you can never buy anything. I mean with wearables, flexible screens and so many things going on who knows how the smartphone market will turn out in the near future. Nothing is future proof, Moto X will hold fine at least for a year or 15 months, sure there will be much faster devices than moto x, nexus 5 but that's the case for any phone.
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Not sure what carrier your on but if you can switch to Verizon, you can get the moto x for $50 I believe.
I agree with alpha's statement. We are due for a new battery technology and if that doesn't come soon then I believe the OS makers with be working on optimization of their OS's to increase battery life. Google's direction of lower spec requirements for devices on future of android builds shows this.
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dsimages said:
Not sure what carrier your on but if you can switch to Verizon, you can get the moto x for $50 I believe.
I agree with alpha's statement. We are due for a new battery technology and if that doesn't come soon then I believe the OS makers with be working on optimization of their OS's to increase battery life. Google's direction of lower spec requirements for devices on future of android builds shows this.
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Verizon really? Most of their phones have that ugly Verizon logo branding, full of bloat, last in updates, last or sometimes will not get flagship phones. To top it off useless CDMA.
Sure their network is great but I would any day choose a gsm carrier where at least I can use any phone I want. Why support such a carrier who wants so much control and basically screw customers.
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dsimages said:
Not sure what carrier your on but if you can switch to Verizon, you can get the moto x for $50 I believe.
I agree with alpha's statement. We are due for a new battery technology and if that doesn't come soon then I believe the OS makers with be working on optimization of their OS's to increase battery life. Google's direction of lower spec requirements for devices on future of android builds shows this.
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I'll see with the Nexus 5 first. I'm not a data user and I'm not one of those people who feel compelled to check their Facebook every 2 minutes, so I think I'm good. I'll just UC and run at 50% brightness and that should be good.
kirdroid said:
Verizon really? Most of their phones have that ugly Verizon logo branding, full of bloat, last in updates, last or sometimes will not get flagship phones. To top it off useless CDMA.
Sure their network is great but I would any day choose a gsm carrier where at least I can use any phone I want. Why support such a carrier who wants so much control and basically screw customers.
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Sorry guys, I'm not American.
That means I'm stuck with TELUS at least they give you a 10% discount on your monthly bill if you bring an unlocked phone.

Don't forget the fact that Google owns Motorola since last year. They can have Motorola build the phone awesome like they have done for decades and focus their android team better on development for the Motorola phone. To me Google didn't buy one of the all time leading phone manufactures just to keep having asus or lg build their nexus line. The moto x has brought some industry firsts that make a big impact for the user. Something that has not really happened for awhile. Also how future proof are you wanting? This phone will last you 10 years I bet if you wanted it to. It's the mobile computer world, every month a better device and better software comes out to use the hardware, you can't really future proof a mobile phone, just learn to accept that and learn to be happy with whatever device you choose. A good way to decide is do this. Write down on paper the pros and con's that talky matter to you in the phone then add them up on a point system and choose that way.
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dobbs3x said:
Don't forget the fact that Google owns Motorola since last year.
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Since 2k11

I buy nexus phones thinking I'll keep them for two years, but no matter how well the current one is working, I end up going nuts for the new model. Totally fine though as you can recoup a good deal after a year with a nexus phone. I usually end up spending less than $150 upgrading after selling the old one.
Regardless of what a new moto costs me, if they make an x sequel in this same form factor with better battery and a faster processor, I will buy it!
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They announced they were going to purchase Motorola in 2011, but didn't finalize the acquisition until May 2012.
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Cannot understate how much the constant GNex development kept the phone going for 2+years.
Moto X isn't going to benefit in this way. However, having had my phone usage/habits changed by Active Notifications and Voice controls, it will be extremely difficult to move "back" to a phone that doesn't have them; future-proofed or not.

chaoslimits said:
Cannot understate how much the constant GNex development kept the phone going for 2+years.
Moto X isn't going to benefit in this way.
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I agree, but frankly, the model has changed. Google is pushing out many of their updates either through the Play Store, or through updates to the Google Play Services. For instance, with they announced 4.3, many of the improvements highlighted were actually to the Play Services and they were pushed out to all phones running 4.1+.
Back when the GNex was introduced, most updates still had to get pushed through an actual OS upgrade. 2.x/3.x -> 4.x -> 4.1 were all major improvements that affected the core of the OS. 4.1 -> 4.2 -> 4.2.x -> 4.3 -> 4.4 have all been incremental changes, with many of the core features being available through Play Services. I'd go as far as saying the last serious change to the core OS, that really affected the whole user experience, was Project Butter in 4.1.
As much as I like new Android versions, people running on 4.1 are having a very similar user experience to people running on 4.4. They're running many of the same updates through Services or Play Store apps, the UI is consistent, and the performance is still excellent.
Turned into quite a long post, but I had a lot of the same thoughts when I decided to stick with a Moto X instead of getting another Nexus phone. The GNex was really excellent and its lifespan was substantially increased by devs and Project Butter. But I'm getting to a point where a stable phone with an official OS really hits all the notes I need, and with the new upgrade model, not to mention Moto's proactive 4.4 upgrade, I think this phone is going to have a good, long lifespan.

binary visions said:
Turned into quite a long post, but I had a lot of the same thoughts when I decided to stick with a Moto X instead of getting another Nexus phone. The GNex was really excellent and its lifespan was substantially increased by devs and Project Butter. But I'm getting to a point where a stable phone with an official OS really hits all the notes I need, and with the new upgrade model, not to mention Moto's proactive 4.4 upgrade, I think this phone is going to have a good, long lifespan.
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Absolutely! I would have been more than happy to stay on 4.2.2 for a while (although I love the 4.4 battery life increase :good: )

Moto X successor is coming by the end of the summer

It seems the successor to our wonderful Moto X will be out by the end of the summer!
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/motorola-smartwatch-moto-x-reveal/

Steve-x said:
It seems the successor to our wonderful Moto X will be out by the end of the summer!
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/motorola-smartwatch-moto-x-reveal/
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Whatever price it launches for I'll wait 90 days for the huge sales and price cuts to begin.

I hope it stays this size.
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Restola said:
Whatever price it launches for I'll wait 90 days for the huge sales and price cuts to begin.
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Me too, still is enjoying the current Moto X very much.

Yep, make it better but don't ruin it!

So excited... its coming!

Restola said:
Whatever price it launches for I'll wait 90 days for the huge sales and price cuts to begin.
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This. If pricing is anything like the original X, waiting a little while to buy will pay huge dividends.
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I hope they take a bite of Samsungs pie!
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As long as they aren't like Thinkpad division where the laptop build quality keeps getting cheaper every year, I'll be interested.

I wholeheartedly agree that they must keep the phone the same size. The size of the Moto X is truly one of its best features. I don't understand why each manufacturers mainstream models keep getting bigger and bigger as if the human hand is growing in size each year. After all you can just make a larger phone or more accurately phablet phone for those that want something larger.

Every year usually these kinds of threads are the one that makes me go "DARN IT i just bought my phone..."
But strangely, not this time.
I guess I'm that happy with this phone.
If anything though, I'd like to see a bigger battery.
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CartlandSmith said:
I know; I can't stand how cheap the Thinkpad's cases have become.
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I like this phone as my daily driver but I would like to see a Moto X phablet, too. And if there were any way to reduce the size of the bezel on the Moto X, that would be great, too. It's pretty small now, not complaining, but if it could be even smaller, all the better.
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Maybe vertically, but not the sides, which are already too thin that my palm rest on the screen by accident and cancel out my regular touches. (And I guess Apple already have some patent on that.)

Although this is good news, I'd still be concerned about the timeliness of updates for future devices once Lenovo takes the helm.

landale said:
I wholeheartedly agree that they must keep the phone the same size. The size of the Moto X is truly one of its best features. I don't understand why each manufacturers mainstream models keep getting bigger and bigger as if the human hand is growing in size each year. After all you can just make a larger phone or more accurately phablet phone for those that want something larger.
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I honestly wouldn't mind making the screen a little bit bigger 5.0 doesn't bother. Or if they had a 5.1 version and 4.8 or whatever it is Noe but I do enjoy the size just wish the screen was a bit bigger/1080 haha
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Instead of releasing a new phone, they should keep supporting the current Moto X. We know the S4 chip is still plenty potent and I'd gladly pay a good price for a camera module I can install for increased quality. It's really the only black mark on the Moto X.

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Although this is good news, I'd still be concerned about the timeliness of updates for future devices once Lenovo takes the helm.
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That's a concern for anything but a Nexus though.
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I have zero gripes with my Moto X. This is the first smartphone that I've had nothing to complain about. I don't even see why people hate on the camera. It's at least better than everything I've had before.
I am in no rush to upgrade. I can't see anything a new phone is going to offer me unless it has some revolutionary software on it. I'm not even using all the features on the current one to their fullest.

I would like a bit bigger screen, not huge. The 4.7" seems comprable with the M7 HTC One, but of course the M7's 4.7" doesn't count buttons. I think the Moto X could add just a touch more real estate and still remain small.

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They will keep supporting it via software for another year. But this is the industry standard - release a new model each year - and Motorola is sticking to it.
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This is the part I don't get. That's probably because I don't see their money sense.
You invest new hardware and current-market pricing to release new phones and get people to buy new. You make a moderate profit. Or take this theory. You buy into hardware that's good enough, and continue to support it for say...3-5 years. You add new features, you fix bugs, you optimize the phone to its maximum potential. Throughout this time the people who like your phone and are completely satisfied with it will continue to keep their phones and not sell it back. Word of mouth sales will drive more sales knowing this phone won't go away in 1-2 years because everyone likes a good, long investment with long return-of-interest. As the tech matures, the price of fabrication for that chip goes down, and manufacturing prices go down such that you will make more profit over time while still maintain high level of demand and satisfaction. A long term investment basically.
The problem with my theory is that phones don't age well and new features like fingerprint scanners are becoming popular. Well, that's where the Moto X is different. It has the language and contextual processors, as well as the motion sensor for the camera. It has the Krait-300 based S4 processor. Best of all, computing requirements has hit a plateau such that a Snapdragon 400 will perform close to a Snapdragon 600 and 800 in real-world usage. The Moto X has the potential to be a long-lasting device because it has diversified tech that will stand out for years to come, versus being caught in the R&D Race for the never-ending spec wars. Do what Apple does with the iPhone 4, but do it better than them.
The only ONLY black mark against the Moto X is the camera quality. If there's a way to resolve that, as well as consistently bringing down price through long-term investments/support and maintaining their market presence through advertising and good-faith consumers: there won't be a need to rush out for another Motorola device any near future because demand for the current device (soon to be past device) will show there's no need to reinvent the wheel when the current one is a huge cash cow.

One important thing to remember about the updates lifespan is that 99.5 percent of customers know nothing of rooting and stuff, don't know or care what android version their phone is, don't even know what kit kat or jelly bean mean as far as their phone goes and don't care about updates or when the next is.........if the phone works they're happy.
So us here looking at it from our point of view does not reflect the massive majority of their customers.
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All Moto X Owners Please Read

Hello, i just wanted bring all of you together to read this thread. Ok so i know since you've been a Moto owner, you've heard or seen at least once insulting comment about your device or the Motorola company. For example, "Anything that Motorola makes sucks" "People only get them because they're cheap" "That phone is crappy". I know that those people are ignorant to other people's liking. I'm tired of hearing the same thing. A lot of people that own super expensive high end- flashy smartphones say things like that about devices like the Moto series. Well that really offends me, just because they might not be the most high-end smartphones or the most expensive smartphones doesn't mean they are worthless. We Moto owners take great pride in our device, we appreciate what we have and we value our smartphones.
If someone offered me a brand new Galaxy S6 and a brand new Moto X and said i could only pick one. I would pick the Moto X hands down without a doubt in my mind. Because I know, We know what matters in a smartphone. What is that? User experience and performance for the price. That's what a review comes down to at the end of the day. A company could make a super spec'd out smartphone but get the same review score as a phone a fraction of its cost. I know if i were to buy a $1000 smartphone it better be great in every aspect and i know if i bought a smartphone for half that price, i'm not expecting it to be perfect but i want to have a good performance. That's exactly what motorola does, it gives you a great performing phone for the price.
For example, the Moto G. It has a low price point but does everything you need it to do. If I want a super powerful gaming machine of a smartphone, I'm not going to buy the Moto G. Then give a bad review for not being able to do what i wanted it to. I'm gonna buy a smartphone with a powerful chipset. At the end of the day we Moto owners stand out. Other people don't seem to understand our taste in smartphones value. Im not saying if you own a super expensive phone you're a bad person or anything. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. All of you Moto owners, good job in picking a smartphone. It doesn't matter if you have a Moto E, a Moto G or a Moto X. We all are equal and unified. #Teammoto
Proof that price doesn't matter

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I have a Moto X 2013 and I had recently acquired a Samsung Galaxy S4. The S4 ran hotter, slower, and had screen issues. I ended up selling it for less than it cost for me to buy and repair the Galaxy S4. Custom rom support for the samsung galaxy S4 was amazing. I really look forward to seeing how the Moto X 2013 handles with lollipop.

Mods. Please ask the OP to change the title. This was simply wrong.

I would really like sd card slot.

This thread is full of win.

the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.

andTab said:
the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.
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You're just jealous you didn't have the idea to create a badass thread like this.

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the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.
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Jizzylax said:
You're just jealous you didn't have the idea to create a badass thread like this.
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Mods, please do everyone a favor and close this thread. While I truly appreciate someone trying to start something positive here about the Moto X, after the last couple of posts, I can see exactly where this thread is going and it's not a nice place. I'm all for people expressing their opinion but I think that it may be better for everyone that's on this forum to nip it in the bud. It's already starting to go downhill and this thread was started earlier today.
By the way, I do own a Moto X (2013) Developer Edition and think that it's a wonderful phone. The screen went black on the one that I owned all of a sudden a week and a half ago. I called Motorola and got a warranty replacement within one week. Thank goodness I had a Samsung Galaxy S3 that I could use as a backup but when I got my Moto X back, I realized the exact reason why I love the Motorola smartphones. Samsung Galaxy S3 drags when you compare it to the Moto X (2013) Developer Edition.
Glad to have my little speed demon back.
Coming from a proud Motorola Moto X owner.

Motorola is lame in case of updating moto x to lollipop while other phones are being updated as soon as new firmware is available.
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ajsonofgod said:
Motorola is lame in case of updating moto x to lollipop while other phones are being updated as soon as new firmware is available.
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That's odd. The only Android phones that I know of that get the updates as soon as the new firmware is available are the Nexus line of smartphones. All of the other ones, you do have to wait a little while before the update rolls out. You know, sometimes it is not the phone manufacturer's fault that the update is delayed. Sometimes it can be because of something on your wireless phone carrier's end. I know Verizon is famous for delaying the releases until all of their bloatware will work with the phone's update. I've experienced it on multiple phones with them (Samsung and Motorola) and that part is very frustrating. There is no need in throwing Motorola under the bus on this.

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That's odd. The only Android phones that I know of that get the updates as soon as the new firmware is available are the Nexus line of smartphones. All of the other ones, you do have to wait a little while before the update rolls out. You know, sometimes it is not the phone manufacturer's fault that the update is delayed. Sometimes it can be because of something on your wireless phone carrier's end. I know Verizon is famous for delaying the releases until all of their bloatware will work with the phone's update. I've experienced it on multiple phones with them (Samsung and Motorola) and that part is very frustrating. There is no need in throwing Motorola under the bus on this.
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As you see for moto x didnt get the update yet but my s4 got it. M not criticising moto i love my moto x but they are slow in contrast to updates..
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ajsonofgod said:
As you see for moto x didnt get the update yet but my s4 got it. M not criticising moto i love my moto x but they are slow in contrast to updates..
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Well, that's just an anomaly. Normally, Samsung is slow as molasses about their updates. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 8.0 Wi-Fi model and it hasn't received the Lollipop update yet. My sister has the S5 and she got her Lollopop update fairly quickly but her phone doesn't work as well as my Moto X does now. Wonder if Samsung pushed it out too quickly and didn't get all of the bugs out. Some of my friends have the Samsung phones that got the Lollipop update and while it runs okay, they also have issues with this new update.
Something to ponder. Maybe we ought to be patient and wait for the parties involved to get all the little kinks worked out of this update before they roll it out to everyone.

All Moto X 2014 Owners Please Read

Hello, i just wanted bring all of you together to read this thread. Ok so i know since you've been a Moto owner, you've heard or seen at least once insulting comment about your device or the Motorola company. For example, "Anything that Motorola makes sucks" "People only get them because they're cheap" "That phone is crappy". I know that those people are ignorant to other people's liking. I'm tired of hearing the same thing. A lot of people that own super expensive high end- flashy smartphones say things like that about devices like the Moto series. Well that really offends me, just because they might not be the most high-end smartphones or the most expensive smartphones doesn't mean they are worthless. We Moto owners take great pride in our device, we appreciate what we have and we value our smartphones.
If someone offered me a brand new Galaxy S6 and a brand new Moto X and said i could only pick one. I would pick the Moto X hands down without a doubt in my mind. Because I know, We know what matters in a smartphone. What is that? User experience and performance for the price. That's what a review comes down to at the end of the day. A company could make a super spec'd out smartphone but get the same review score as a phone a fraction of its cost. I know if i were to buy a $1000 smartphone it better be great in every aspect and i know if i bought a smartphone for half that price, i'm not expecting it to be perfect but i want to have a good performance. That's exactly what motorola does, it gives you a great performing phone for the price.
For example, the Moto G. It has a low price point but does everything you need it to do. If I want a super powerful gaming machine of a smartphone, I'm not going to buy the Moto G. Then give a bad review for not being able to do what i wanted it to. I'm gonna buy a smartphone with a powerful chipset. At the end of the day we Moto owners stand out. Other people don't seem to understand our taste in smartphones value. Im not saying if you own a super expensive phone you're a bad person or anything. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. All of you Moto owners, good job in picking a smartphone. It doesn't matter if you have a Moto E, a Moto G or a Moto X. We all are equal and unified. #Teammoto
Proof that price doesn't matter

Moto has shunned a lot of former owners myself included l...while I love this phone Moto can still lick my berries.
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It cost me over $1000 to get a MotoMaker Moto X into my country.
Worth every cent!
Beautiful design, Better features and Better performance than all my friends IPhones and Shamsungs.

Agreed !

Most people I talk to in my cell phone repair shop are ignorant to Motorola smartphones. They see my phone and ask what it is. Then they say that it looks nice.

Let those say whatever they want to because they are not aware of the fact that Motorola is the one who created mobile industry, rest are just parts of this industry. Real innovator is Motorola, rest just follow up whatever is left out by Motorola. Even today no other phone can beat a MotoX in terms of 'smartness', rest just feel dumb phones in front of a Moto X.
Motorola users don't need to frequently change their devices because they are more durable, can keep going for few generations of OS versions, come at cheaper price point. A 2-3 years Moto can easily keep going till the next Moto replaces it. You hardly see other brand's phones over 2 years old in anyone's hands. Others just fight needless specs war whereas specs is not everything. so called small battery and poor camera of my MotoX never miss the chance of surprising me by their performance, thats engineering, not just putting useless counts of cores or big spec battery or a high pixel density display which unnecessarily eats up the additional CPU power or battery.
Offcourse there are flaws in the Moto devices also but others are much more flawed. I am currently fighting a consumer court case against poor after sales service provided by Motorola when they took forever to repair a defective MotoE under warranty but that bad incident isn't enough to reduce my love and respect towards the Motorola brand.
Their strong comeback in the market after going completely dead is one more reason to buy their devices because it motivates to wake up and fight in the life, doesn't matter whatever trouble life throws on us. :good:
Let the ignorant people go gaga over whatever they want to, it doesn't changes the reality, does it?

the sad thing is that we are on a new level of "low" on the Dev part of our community.. only a few roms and most of them 5.0.x, only one custom kernel and only for CM based roms.. id love to have a custom kernel on my stock but rooted to be able to play with synapse to tamper with settings to "beast-out" ok gaming and more out of battery for everyday use..
about the talk.. heh I've been experiencing these kind of things at work when they see me use the my phone.. waving my hand over it to check my notifications.. they are so jealous [emoji13]

Motorola is still a great manufacturer, designer, innovater of awesome phones! The X series are the living proofs of this! Many users hate the company now because motorola promised them faster updates and has been really slow and non transparent in terms of updates!
I think motorola has done a great job in terms of updates and phones in general! Leaving the S6 which had 5.0 out of the box, no other manufacturer has provided 5.1 update to any of their phones yet other than the nexus line! People would never understand that 5.0 to 5.0.2 were buggy! They just want an update so they could think less of it and start complaining about the next version of android not being given to them in time! I say such people should buy nexus phones to get timely updates and stop the ranting!
For other people who have a higher price higher spec phones dont know much about android. They just buy a high spec phone thinking its future proof and later understand that there are many more newer innovations at a lesser price. Such people always keep wasting money in those high specs! Motorola doesn't provide high specs. But it provides the perfect balance of specs and working and useful features in their phones which are more useful in daily use and thus it makes the phones a daily driver.
The only problem with their phone is the fragile screen. Its glass and glass tends to break when it takes a hit. But the cost to replace it is too much! In India we need to pay 75% of the purchase cost to get the screen replaced! That's what is keeping people from buying motorola!
I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?

I miss the development of roms

That is because the source is still stuck back at 5.0.2. It would be great if we could get more up to date source.

I got my s3 when it was a flagship device and had a Samsung phone earlier. The primary reason I got the moto X was the price due to the cyber Monday sale. I saved up anticipating that the nexus 6 would be around the same price as the 5 but it turned out to be very expensive for me.
I had a few apprehensions before getting this device as I had never owned a moto device, but the X has exceeded my expectations! For the price, I don't think any other phone offers similar build quality and specs. Sure a bigger battery or a SD card slot would have been sweet but I feel that this is the perfect blend of stock plus nifty Moto features. I'm so used to active display now that I don't think I can actually use a device without it!
As far as updates are concerned, I'd rather have a fully functional 5.1 build rather than a messed up quickly released and buggy one. The delay has been a little annoying with multiple soak tests but if it results in a near bug free build then I'd rather wait!
All in all very satisfied with the phone.
#teammoto
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