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The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant.
The answers are:
A. Outstanding
B. Above Average
C. Average
D. Below Average
E. Fail.
Thank you for your vote.
You're fast, mate! . Like I said, I use LG Style I, so the size does'nt really matter. No question it is one of the best phones I have.
I'm still casting the same vote, which is above average.
you cant re write history to suit your sad agendas!
you ALL VOTED in the original poll and because you didnt like the results you are now re polling to try and get the results you want!
How deceitful and sad is that
QUOTE:eaglesteve My okay really means it may not be the best phone in the world, but it's still very good. I read post 1 and interpret the meaning differntly from spacecat. Anyway, why not you start a new poll?
I would love to know what kind of deluded person thinks that OKAY = VERY GOOD!
OKAY= OKAY
VERY GOOD = VERY GOOD
OKAY to anyone who is sane and rational means average neither good nor bad.
Eagle Steve Poll ONLY below
If your missus said you were an OKAY SHAG would you think that you were
1. A Great Lover
2.An Average Lover, pleasant enough but not mindlblowing in any sense
3. Crap
I reckon old eagle is pretty average and has to convince himself that this means VERY GOOD!
Enough pissing contest and argument on your thread already. Your post needs no response. Just let the voters tell us their own meaning of okay. For me it means satisfactory and good. For you it may mean not bad but also not good at all. Let the people decide, okay?
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Enough pissing contest and argument on your thread already. Your post needs no response. Just let the voters tell us their own meaning of okay. For me it means satisfactory and good. For you it may mean not bad but also not good at all. Let the people decide, okay?
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NAh lets argue about it!
ps I LOVE the way YOU NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION!
Why did YOU VOTE in a poll YOU thought was deceitful? That makes YOU a FOOL doesnt it?
Much better poll. Spacecat, you are a trip.
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Much better poll. Spacecat, you are a trip.
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yeah i know!
spacecat.. get a life. athenalover: who the hell cares what others thinks about the Athena?!? The immense insight and information thats available to us on this forum helps everyone to get their hands on the gear that suits their purpose the best, and to get it working the way it should from the beginning!
That does not include these kinds of threads though.. come on guys read a page on the xda-wiki and learn something for Christs sake ;-)
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spacecat.. get a life. athenalover: who the hell cares what others thinks about the Athena?!? The immense insight and information thats available to us on this forum helps everyone to get their hands on the gear that suits their purpose the best, and to get it working the way it should from the beginning!
That does not include these kinds of threads though.. come on guys read a page on the xda-wiki and learn something for Christs sake ;-)
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for F**k sake mate some people just like to argue, why dont you take your own advice and ignore the thread...........
for ****s sake mate... I just did
"The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant"
I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
Either way I think the consensus has been reached: whether or not the questions in the Spacecat's poll were leading the points brought up in the thread more than answered what needed to be answered. Let's NOT have a recount. Let's just accept that for some people the phone is too big and for some it's fine. Whether of not you choose to wear the Athena in a holster, in your pocket, with a bluetooth headset, wired headset or in a bumbag the fact is it's your property and you're obviously happy using it. I found it a bit big so I got something a bit smaller.
Athenalover, don't try to be a martyr. The poll was never going anywhere anyway: it's on an Athena forum for God's sake so the only people who will be watching the forum will be A) people who own an Athena and B)people who owned one and got rid of it. The people who got rid of it probably found it too big so will argue vehemently that it's too big; the people who still own one and enjoy it obviously DON'T find it too big and will argue vehemently that it's not too big if you use it like they do.
With all due respect this thread seems headed for no-where
like I said
Seems history has been re-written, and this poll shows its just fine or better for most people.
leoni1980 said:
"The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant"
I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
Either way I think the consensus has been reached: whether or not the questions in the Spacecat's poll were leading the points brought up in the thread more than answered what needed to be answered. Let's NOT have a recount. Let's just accept that for some people the phone is too big and for some it's fine. Whether of not you choose to wear the Athena in a holster, in your pocket, with a bluetooth headset, wired headset or in a bumbag the fact is it's your property and you're obviously happy using it. I found it a bit big so I got something a bit smaller.
Athenalover, don't try to be a martyr. The poll was never going anywhere anyway: it's on an Athena forum for God's sake so the only people who will be watching the forum will be A) people who own an Athena and B)people who owned one and got rid of it. The people who got rid of it probably found it too big so will argue vehemently that it's too big; the people who still own one and enjoy it obviously DON'T find it too big and will argue vehemently that it's not too big if you use it like they do.
With all due respect this thread seems headed for no-where
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I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.
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I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
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lol Guess what ? Don't agree. =P I for one voted AND THEN read the posts. And yes, the questions really are, this time around, in no way tendencious.
And well, one can only observe that the votes seem to go a very different way...
Even if this thread doesn't turn into a pugila, I say let's see where it goes.
For Spacecat and Leoni especially, I would like to show you that Athena is not in the same category of portability as eee PC. It is no difference carrying this or a smaller phone.
See this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1835826#post1835826
As some other users said I own the LG Style-i so I carry my Athena hanging in my belt... so the size is not a problem for me neither.
In this condition I consider athena Above the Average as phone.
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I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.
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if you don't like his interpretation don't get wound up about it. I made my points quite eloquently, i am fair in my points, being that i owned an athena and don't have a reason to either hate it or love it. To say that it is absurd to find bluetooth inconvenient is a bit of a sweeping statement since some people prefer to use a handset and not have microwaves flowing through their heads all day. I didn't know if i'd like the size of the athena and i was perfectly aware of its features however it was a contract upgrade and cost very little so i thought i'd like to try it. I only carried it in a bag when i had a bluetooth keyboard, often i would carry it in my pocket though at all times i was aware of it and concerned about breaking the screen. Despite this i happen to prefer using a bag to a holster given the option.. Please don't compare me with other people just because i'm not 100 percent in the athena fan club, i make fair assessments based on my personal experience, you however seem like an illiterate and narrow-minded wally (forgive me if i am mistaken). Hopefully some of the contributors to this thread have a little more common sense and fair mindedness. If they don't then what's the point of this poll and this thread generally?
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I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.
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if you don't like his interpretation don't get wound up about it. I made my points quite eloquently, i am fair in my points, being that i owned an athena and don't have a reason to either hate it or love it. To say that it is absurd to find bluetooth inconvenient is a bit of a sweeping statement since some people prefer to use a handset and not have microwaves flowing through their heads all day. I didn't know if i'd like the size of the athena and i was perfectly aware of its features however it was a contract upgrade and cost very little so i thought i'd like to try it. I only carried it in a bag when i had a bluetooth keyboard, often i would carry it in my pocket though at all times i was aware of it and concerned about breaking the screen. Despite this i happen to prefer using a bag to a holster given the option.. Please don't compare me with other people just because i'm not 100 percent in the athena fan club, i make fair assessments based on my personal experience, you however seem like an illiterate and narrow-minded wally (forgive me if i am mistaken). Hopefully some of the contributors to this thread have a little more common sense and fair mindedness. If they don't then what's the point of this poll and this thread generally?
serious effort for WM6 on iphone
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hello all!
i was recently gifted an first generation iphone, i hacked it and unlocked it and played around with it. i was not very impressed, the hardware is awsome but the software, i find to be lacking.
at any rate it has sat in a desk drawer for a month or 2 and then i read about that faked video with wm6 on an iphone. i thought to my self why not give it a try? its not like i will be able to buy that touch hd from htc that i wanted...
so i have been doing some research and it looks like there is an arm processor in this thing, which gives me hope. i plan to use a few open source utilities such as ibooter to get an environment on this thing for wm6.
i am wondering what advice people can give me, who have hacked newer versions of WM onto an older device, what to research, what to expect or useful utilities; i have little experience with the bowels of WM.
this will be my first attempt at something this grandiose, but i have surmounted greater challenges in the past. i am not asking for help, however i am more than willing to work with anyone else who is interested.
please keep non-constructive criticisms to yourself, if people didn't try things every time there was doubt we would still be living in caves.
thanks
-ash
Good luck! I've got to say the iPhone would be WAY more appealing to me if it ran Windows Mobile. If I were you I'd maybe try and contact some of the ROM cookers in the older device threads like the Blue Angel forum.
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Good luck! I've got to say the iPhone would be WAY more appealing to me if it ran Windows Mobile. If I were you I'd maybe try and contact some of the ROM cookers in the older device threads like the Blue Angel forum.
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thank you so much, i was honnestly beginning to wonder if i was the only person who thought this might be a good idea (especialy when i can show it to a macfanboi and ask "wheres your god now?!!")
OMFG !!, not another thread..if you dont wish to be made a fool out of you, i suggest please edit your title and post
I've got to say the iPhone would be WAY more appealing to me if it ran Windows Mobile
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OMFG !!, not another thread..if you dont wish to be made a fool out of you, i suggest please edit your title and post
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Hey STFU!
im guessing that there is no one here that actualy does anything more than just develop applications for WM or troll arround the fourms?
like i said im looking for peoples who have worked with the os itself.
anyone...
anyone...
buler?...
anyone?
I saw somewhere that a Norwegian hacker did it some time ago, it is quite sad, but it is sexy to see WM running on wide screen
Here is where i saw it:
http://www.gsmdome.com/mobile-software/iphone-gets-windows-mobile-praise-the-hacker-video_399
Anyway, good luck with your progress, i want to see it running :3
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I saw somewhere that a Norwegian hacker did it some time ago, it is quite sad, but it is sexy to see WM running on wide screen
Here is where i saw it:
http://www.gsmdome.com/mobile-software/iphone-gets-windows-mobile-praise-the-hacker-video_399
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I saw it too in some other place.. that's amazing!
I just saw the video...that was cool. Looks like you got your answer there ashrond.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but that video is fake,look at the very begining he manages to turn his i-phone on by just tapping on the screen. sadly it's propably just some kind of slideshow presentatio. too bad would have been nice.
Doh!!!!!
Stupid Fake Video!
Threads like this makes me sad, users making threads on this subject to be taken serious and fail to provide any type of commitment to achieve any goal to this subject. what im trying to say simply is... let the god damn roms chefs make threads like this and not the "omg i need WM6, on a toyphone"... i wanted wm6 so i got a phone with wm6 on it. not a god damn phone with ipod crap on it.
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Threads like this makes me sad, users making threads on this subject to be taken serious and fail to provide any type of commitment to achieve any goal to this subject. what im trying to say simply is... let the god damn roms chefs make threads like this and not the "omg i need WM6, on a toyphone"... i wanted wm6 so i got a phone with wm6 on it. not a god damn phone with ipod crap on it.
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wow another jackass who cant read!
like i said i am looking to do this myself, i was simply looking to get a hold of one of these "romcookers" as you ignorantly call them. i swear its people like you that make me wish for the good ol days before all the
""31337 AOL users"" got access and started ****ing things up. do everyone a favor and keep your opinion to yourself.
ps thats the video that i was talking about being fake and giving me the idea to attempt this.
Well if ure serious about this, u could get a piece of advice from users such xplode, mamaich, bepe, tuatara and many many others (speaking as Blue Angel user).
Also, u might rather look in some iphone hacking forum. Furthermore, mind that iphone is quite a closed platform, so it doesnt have any documentation, besides some rev-eng done.
Anyway, there is little chance u will achieve this, and the amount work what is in front of you is more than u might expect. No man could do it alone, in one life.
Srsly, only way to do it, is to steal iphone blueprints form apple, and u will......
w8, didnt u say ur name is Bond?
People may flame you because they are 'die hard' WM fans, and anti-mac or w/e, but I must say that I wish you the best! If somebody were to do this, I would probably end up getting an iPhone. The only thing is, I don't like not having a QWERTY keyboard.
I most likely will have a WM phone for the remainder of my life / cell phone using (unless something really awesome comes out), but I love how smooth and 'error free' the iPhone is. It's just not for me w/ the current OS because you can't easily expand the iPhone as easily as you can a WM phone.
Dear dip****,
Clearly your lack of understanding about the real related undertaking about what you asking is beyond your grasp. its like hopping on a BBS and asking for some guidance on how to do heart surgery, sounds simple... open the chest cavity and do some poking. its not as simple as just droping an app, if it were that simple as to dropping ibooter... then all the 100x groups would have already done it and taken credit for it. i really wish scrubs like you never used the internet, clearly your terrible propaganda on trying to make people believe you would be elite enough to carry such under taking. as i reflect...
ROFL "ibooter to get an environment on this thing for wm6." while you are at it, try using a bios disk to start up the MAC OS on your computer...
you have no ****ing clue what your even up against... at least i am a hardware hacker. what the **** have you done other then post. "i has a dream for WM6 on ipod" thread? Ill learn to read if you learn to stop being a dip****.
Love Smokey
Xbox hacking crew
ashrond said:
wow another jackass who cant read!
like i said i am looking to do this myself, i was simply looking to get a hold of one of these "romcookers" as you ignorantly call them. i swear its people like you that make me wish for the good ol days before all the
""31337 AOL users"" got access and started ****ing things up. do everyone a favor and keep your opinion to yourself.
ps thats the video that i was talking about being fake and giving me the idea to attempt this.
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Unless it absolutely cannot be done and it is proven that it cannot be done, why not let people keep on trying. Let them learn what they need to learn to give it a valid attempt. It would be a really intersting to see done; however, I fear that there may be some legal iussues if you are flashing WM to an IPhone - You will have to ensure that you are using a legal registered copy of WM wouldn't you? When we are flashing our current devices we already have WM on them so it is kind of a grey area since we already paid for WM however, putting WM on an IPhone which never had WM????? I don't know.
I say keep searching for your answers though until you can prove or find proof that it cannot be done. GOOD LUCK with your efforts. It may be an incredibly difficult thing to do, or who knows - Maybe it won't be that difficult if you have some kind of breakthrough.
I really can't stand it when people start assuming that they know other people and their "Qualifications" when they don't know a thing about them really. None of us really know anything about each other except for what we may publish in our profiles. Gotta have some faith in people sometimes and stop making assumptions.
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This is getting out of hand!
The ONLY way to port WM6 is by writing new drivers for the iPhone.
It's not impossible, but it is a monstrous task.
A new thread is only allowed when serious steps are taken regarding (re)writing the drivers.
(So do some investigating on platform-builder!)
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"In general "I hate my phone" threads neither contribute soluactions to problems nor do they seek answers to problems in a calm and reasoned way.
These forums are for the giving and receiving of information that assists users to get the best from their device - it is not a vehicle for "sounding-off" about your phone.
This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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Ok .... so, the fact that we know HTC pay attention to people gripes, comments and compliments on these forums.... if that had been a "we love HTC thread" would that have been closed?
I agree being rude and obnoxious are very good reasons but ... why not censor the very few posts related to it. Why close the general dissastifaction with what appears to be a typical HTC release. Without a place to talk about the general failure of HTC, how can the majority of people learn? How can those prospective customers be aware of the challenges they need to overcome to turn a rubbish device (out of the factory) into a great device (after XDA and chefs)?
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And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
The one thing i've always used in years is the xda forums and some of that i haven't even owned a HTC device. Like it or not, most people here have invested a lot of hard earned cash (or will over the next 18/24 months) and that will naturaly attract an emotional value - hence some anger when something like this doesn't work. The fact there was so much feeling in that thread should indicate the level of "emotion" about it and the incensed feeling they have about the amount people feel they have spent, money and time, on a device they are so unhappy about. Maybe if you guys created a "vent here thread" you might get to allow people to rant AND get usefull threads - heck, even HTC might read the "vent here thread!" and take note?
I'm so worried after reading todays threads in particular, about ordering mine earlier today but sadly nothing else that supports FULL exchange meets my requirements. I know my consumer rights and will use them to the full should I need to but I hope not it does have so many great points.
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Ok .... so, the fact that we know HTC pay attention to people gripes, comments and compliments on these forums....
We don't know that for sure. There are many on here who would disagree, saying that for them, if HTC were listening, then perceived problems would have been resolved quicker.
I agree being rude and obnoxious are very good reasons but ... why not censor the very few posts related to it. Why close the general dissatisfaction with what appears to be a typical HTC release. Without a place to talk about the general failure of HTC, how can the majority of people learn? How can those prospective customers be aware of the challenges they need to overcome to turn a rubbish device (out of the factory) into a great device (after XDA and chefs)?
Problem with this argument is that there are some on here who don't wish to face those challenges, which is fair enough. However what they do is to gripe about it and not help themselves, even when you point them in the right direction.
And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
Not sure where you get that from. Please provide evidence of this or retract.
The one thing i've always used in years is the xda forums and some of that i haven't even owned a HTC device. Like it or not, most people here have invested a lot of hard earned cash (or will over the next 18/24 months) and that will naturally attract an emotional value - hence some anger when something like this doesn't work. The fact there was so much feeling in that thread should indicate the level of "emotion" about it and the incensed feeling they have about the amount people feel they have spent, money and time, on a device they are so unhappy about. Maybe if you guys created a "vent here thread" you might get to allow people to rant AND get useful threads - heck, even HTC might read the "vent here thread!" and take note?
Any "ranting", as you put it, should be made direct to HTC. XDA-Developers is exactly that; a developers site with a lot of interested non-developers in it. Its not the place to take out your frustrations against a manufacturer.
Re your point on hard earned cash being spent, I can't disagree with this. However ask these people how many of them went out and gave the device a really good test drive and an assessment of whether it would meet their needs or not and you will be silenced by the response.
I'm so worried after reading todays threads in particular, about ordering mine earlier today but sadly nothing else that supports FULL exchange meets my requirements. I know my consumer rights and will use them to the full should I need to but I hope not it does have so many great points.
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If you have doubts about this device then don't buy it. You will be severely disappointed. If you have not taken time out to test drive one before putting your order in then, with respect, more fool you.
Finally, moderators on here bend over backwards NOT to close threads or be seen as censoring debate. However we have to keep a balance and if, in our judgment, a thread is getting out of hand or no longer has any value nor serve any useful purpose then it will be closed.
All the best,
WB
as you've quoted inside of quotes you have made it really dificult for me to "quote" back - nice job! (although i suspect not deliberate).
"We don't know that for sure. There are many on here who would disagree, saying that for them, if HTC were listening, then perceived problems would have been resolved quicker."
Yeah ok. So the very big majority of Winmob market phones are produced by HTC, this site is dedicated to HTC (and historicaly Winmob).... do you REALLY think they don't read these forums? Really? Honestly? Are you sure?
"Problem with this argument is that there are some on here who don't wish to face those challenges, which is fair enough. However what they do is to gripe about it and not help themselves, even when you point them in the right direction."
I agree. There are SOME who want to gripe. There are a ship load more who want to make a device work but can't, no matter the support they get from the community - random users suffering from the SMS bug for example? The very fact most of these people have googled/have knowledge of these forums, means that they have at least gone to some effort to resolve an issue. So yes some, but a VERY small number. So, how can they air the frustrations they have? where? Maybe the most expansive and read HTC forums... thats a good place to start!
"And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
Not sure where you get that from. Please provide evidence of this or retract."
*sigh* .... ok .... i'll come back to this but, i did quote, if you really want me to link to a thread closed in the past 10 minutes other than i already quoted your mod. I will.
"Any "ranting", as you put it, should be made direct to HTC. XDA-Developers is exactly that; a developers site with a lot of interested non-developers in it. Its not the place to take out your frustrations against a manufacturer."
Yeah ya know, it was a developers site years ago.... its not any more and hasn't been for a long time. Its a cookers and users site now. If you still think HTC don't read this forum then .... The sites success over the years can also be its greatest strength if you let it.
Now this isn't a problem of the site itself, more one with many reviews and fanboys of ALL phones, Iphone, HTC, Nokia....
"Re your point on hard earned cash being spent, I can't disagree with this. However ask these people how many of them went out and gave the device a really good test drive and an assessment of whether it would meet their needs or not and you will be silenced by the response."
Trying out a phone is a shop is a VERY diferent affair to OWNING one. Any person will know that, sadly though, many of us have to go by the reviews and forum comments that are available and try to filter out what may or may not be fanboy. Magazines, forum posts, personal reviews, blogs are all individual and very personal. Saying that someone should have reviewed more is simply not fair. Its impossible. Try asking your local O2 shop if you can take a phone away for a couple of weeks to try?
Hold on .... yes you can!!!! And that was the point of the last thread that got closed! Your fellow mod closed a thread which wasn't actually personal to anyone and (from a personal fed up with moaners point of view) I was trying educate people who purchased there phones in the UK that they had a bucket load of rights. If they are not happy, and it was purchased from the uk, then please "turn it in!" and return it.
Now from my pov, i'm a londoner (can you tell?) but i work all over the world. Currently im in Durban (yeah I was there at the test match! and met the England team) but out here they dont have the HD 2 so, I have to go on the reviews etc. Some people out here will spend near on £600 getting it imported from Expansys UK (ummm .... co.za) and other sites.
also..
Can i provide evidence? No. It was not made public so all I can assume is that if I PM a mod, things will be closed:
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"In general "I hate my phone" threads neither contribute soluactions to problems nor do they seek answers to problems in a calm and reasoned way.
These forums are for the giving and receiving of information that assists users to get the best from their device - it is not a vehicle for "sounding-off" about your phone.
This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
(In addition - this thread has been reported by Members)
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How can i provide more evidence than that? I'm not privvy to your private messages. The previous line though backs up my "love HTC or go away" argument to a small extent:
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This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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I really think you guys, having helped, actually almost pushed HTC to where they are should now use your position and be .... responsible(? maybe a bit strong)) ... finaly get off the HTC only band wagon. Let them know that the stunning products they produce will no longer be accepted only 90% complete.
Ok. Lets be realistic. I ain't gona change your minds on anything and I don't want you to rebel against HTC as they make amazing hardware but, at least, in the position you have got.... maybe create a "if your gone B*&% and let off steam, do it in this thread?" thread? Maybe, just maybe there will be a common thread in it that HTC will finaly get to grips with .....?
Oh, and i've had a tytn, tytn 2 and having had both of those replaced under warranty i thought... no! Poke it! And had a tosh g900 when most people couldnt even spell 800 res screens and then foolishly went to a TD. That was refunded quickly under sales of goods act. Have an Acer M900 but due to the fact i'm living in south africa and i purchased that under my company contract, i now need to replace next week when im back in the UK. I was looking at a Milestone but the exchange support is rubbish at best. So, I have a week to try the HD2 or return it as not fit for purpose.... I do however, really want it to work!
And one final word.... my best winmob device without a device? Well two actually .... the Samsung Omnia and the baggage reconciliation devices i'm working with at the new Durban airport (what??? its not just a PHONE O/S!!!!??)
My opinion.
Here's an example of 2 threads.
MY HD2 IS THE WORST FONE ON THE PLANIT
I bought this fone for £x000 dollars and it should do everything I can ever imagine, rite out of the out of the box. I am disgusted that HTC expect ME to fix their problems.
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Hi everyone.
I tried to send a text message to my friends earlier and it's stuck in my outbox. Does anyone know why this might be? Does anyone have a suggestion as to what I should do about it?
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This forum is not about defending or slating any particular device. It is meant for users to get together and talk about ways to make the experience better. This forum is not responsible for the fact that some hardware that comes out of some factory and gets some software installed on it is not 100% perfect!
Now for 1 moment, can we please put aside arguments regarding the device and talk about the forum? Which of the above 2 threads is the most constructive?
Thank you.
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Here's an example of 2 threads.
This forum is not about defending or slating any particular device. It is meant for users to get together and talk about ways to make the experience better. This forum is not responsible for the fact that some hardware that comes out of some factory and gets some software installed on it is not 100% perfect!
Now for 1 moment, can we please put aside arguments regarding the device and talk about the forum? Which of the above 2 threads is the most constructive?
Thank you.
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More to the point, what is the point of leaving the first example open? At the very least there should be a dedicated section for those unhelpful posts (as [★] suggested yesterday) but I think they should just be closed as they're so worthless.
Do you work for a newspaper?
Both comments are usefull. Just because you don't see the use in both doesn't mean they are not usefull. Does that mean 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms so they should be ignored of Fred Smiths Condom appreciation website?
(sorry thats a really poor example but its 2am here in SA and i've been on the beer and Eve-online and films for a few hours )
Very fair play to you for putting forward an argument (non abusive as I would hope) and maybe catch up tomorrow.
Monty,
You are a Londoner eh? I should have known. You lot are nothing but trouble makers!
First off sorry about the quotes within quotes; didn't realise it stopped you from quoting back. Now that I do...
OK, lots in your post that I could come back on in detail but I won't because I'm the sort of chap that likes going forwards, not looking back in self pity or whatever.
The one thing that you have suggested, and you are not the first, is that we think on somewhere where people can let off steam WITHOUT cluttering up the forums. As you know there is some work going on as to how best we can restructure the place to make it better. Can I ask you to be a little patient while all this gets worked through.
In the meantime, think on the following:
- Help us to support people who need and want help and please be robust about those that don't but just fancy a moan and upsetting people on here without ever really wanting to seek help or to help themselves (the word Troll comes to mind).
- If you look at the Development & Hacking forums you will see that Development is stronger than ever and does not change what this place is all about. The work of the chefs is recognised and appreciated, and you can argue that is also development so 2-0 there.
- Lets all try to be a little adult, constructive and get along a little. I can tell you that, from a Mods perspective, we really want to be doing other things to make people's lives on here better rather than spending time closing threads down because people just can't have a little respect for each other. I often wonder whether anyone ever reads the forum rules.
Finally thank you for keeping on the straight and narrow re this thread and not going off the rails and getting it closed.
WB
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More to the point, what is the point of leaving the first example open? At the very least there should be a dedicated section for those unhelpful posts (as [★] suggested yesterday) but I think they should just be closed as they're so worthless.
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I totally agree mate (hence the support in said thread raised by [★] yesterday.)
I find this site a ridiculously valuable source of information when I need help with my phone, and I find it disheartening to have to wade through complaint after complaint just in order to get to constructive discussions.
If I wanted to live in troll city, I'd pack all my stuff into boxes; call a removals company; do some browsing of estate agents and property letting agents; check the reputation of the areas I was interested in and then guess what.... MOVE TO TROLL CITY!
I'm a placid guy generally, but some posts really make me struggle to just not tell the OP where to go.
+9999999 recurring to real constructive users of this site.
-9999999 recurring to trolls (and we know you don't think you're a troll, but you are.)
Monty Burns said:
Do you work for a newspaper?
Both comments are usefull. Just because you don't see the use in both doesn't mean they are not usefull. Does that mean 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms so they should be ignored of Fred Smiths Condom appreciation website?
(sorry thats a really poor example but its 2am here in SA and i've been on the beer and Eve-online and films for a few hours )
Very fair play to you for putting forward an argument (non abusive as I would hope) and maybe catch up tomorrow.
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If 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms then they should definitely speak their mind. They would be wrong though to go to a forum that supports uses of brand x condoms and slate them. A support forum is for support.
OK first, no idea who Martin is. (Its Monty spelt the wrong way - doh)
Second, guys sounds like we might have a good conversation on the values of "to HTC or not HTC" although I might be on the wrong side, despite just spending a bucket load of fivers on a HT2.
Please, keep it clean and (well funny if you can't) but not personaly insulting. Everyone on a keyboard is a human being!
Be safe, have fun!
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OK first, no idea who Martin is.
Second, guys sounds like we might have a good conversation on the values of "to HTC or not HTC" although I might be on the wrong side, despite just spending a bucket load of fivers on a HT2.
Please, keep it clean and (well funny if you can't) but not personaly insulting. Everyone on a keyboard is a human being!
Be safe, have fun!
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I agree with that totally, but I do think this thread should be moved to a general area. Let's face it, it's hardly HD2 specific now is it!
It would be nice to see everyone's thoughts on this, rather than just the ones with The God Phone. (Just kidding - that was meant to incite trouble )
To be fair, those "I hate this phone" ranting type threads really do spiral into a hate fest or at least the few I've seen. If a topic is interesting and you comment on it, and go back later to see how it develops when all that is left is just insults, it has no use to most if not all.
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I agree with that totally, but I do think this thread should be moved to a general area. Let's face it, it's hardly HD2 specific now is it!
It would be nice to see everyone's thoughts on this, rather than just the ones with The God Phone. (Just kidding - that was meant to incite trouble )
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Argh! I'm not a god!!! (although I think I am, with my size 9 shoes... bow down before me!)
Seriously, maybe a good idea. I guess in an odd way this may complement (orb3000s?) the other thread vote about should it be HTC or not site? We don't know you server statistics of course but, we can hope that we can get to the stage where we can give our opinion on HTC honestly..... ( i wanted to deleted that and not type it as its not fair, i think we can, mostly ).
In my view its like a really cool manopoly. The games fun to play for almost all of us (i may/may not include myself in that after 2 years HTC abscense on next Friday) but for some it really sucks cos they keep losing.
I would think that moving it to an adult discussion of the real benefits as us users see if you become "open" but, we have no idea of the server costs... only you guys do.
(you do of course know that pressure will mount and mount and mount with regards to non-HTC phones. Your not silly Samsung, LG, Acer.... to name but a few know that the serious money is in smart phones in the next few years, not feature. In Slough o2 test 150-200 meg 4g phones a couple of weeks ago )
From what I understand, this is a developers forum. i.e. look to the potential rather than to the faults as is.
There are far too many distracting threads along the lines of "the virtual keyboard is killing me", "my wife left me because of the battery life", "the pink camera issue made me kill my neighbour". These type of threads may have valid points but they are all a bit melodramatic and really don't serve the purpose of the forum very well as they fan the flames of discontent rather that rise to the can-fix mindset. Despite what the trolls (for want of a better word) might like to say, this isn't a fanboi site, it's for those who realise a problem and want to solve it, simply just improve things, or just want to tweak things just because they can! I'm sure most of us here are all too aware of the shortcomings of Windows mobile software, just as we recognise the potential & strengths of this platform.
Speaking as a self-confessed technophile I will admit to spending an not inconsiderable amount of hard-earned money on utter crap i.e. gadgets that promised so much, yet delivered so little or were simply just badly executed. The HD2 is non of these, it's a stunning piece of design & engineering. It's not perfect, for example: the sharp edges of the camera lens annoy me a little, but it doesn't induce a desire in me to vent my spleen to the world.
I'm optimistic, I hope to survive longer than my HD2 and maybe via this forum HTC will hear my concern for this non-life threatening design flaw and engineer a more ergonomic lens cover for the next mobile phone I get. If they don't, it will undoubtedly leave a microscopic void in my life, but I'm strong enough to move on and no doubt the HTC designers will burn in hell for their tardiness.
xda-developers is what is says and is a great community that helps us get the best from these intriguing phones, so please diss the efforts of those who contribute and recognise that enthusiasm is a far better fertilizer for technology than manure.
Besides that, looking at my HD2 I've just noticed that it's going to be wet & windy at "My Location" tomorrow. That's fifty miles away and I'm not even going there, so it's a win for me!
Hi all,
i was wondering if we we will get landscape view for the homescreens on htc hero after the 2.1 update.
i have seen many videos and screenshots but none of them shows htc sense homescreens in landscape.
is this feature implemented?
*Blog link taken out, so gabrieltit can sleep good tonight - and to keep the discussion on topic*
Bye,
Shahpur
Errr..........
I think the answer to your question is: no one gives a ****, son. Did you really think that a weak, uninspired and lame question masquerading as something of interest but merely serving to promote your poorly laid out and derivative blogging would have us all singing your praises ? I told you before, son, the only place your going to get any joy with that is in front of the mirror.
Having said this, perhaps we have all read you incorrectly. This is the renaissance man in action. You have used this 'post' as a modern medium to retell the myth of Narcissus, yourself cast as the vain youth. Or maybe this is moving on a couple of hundred years to neoclassicism - it's a difficult one to judge. When looked upon in this light I say bravo to you sir - re-educating the geeks is a fine and noble cause. Perhaps you might think of creating an allegory of HTC with all those wanting the 2.1 update cast as Tantalus, HTC the vengeful fates. It's food for thought
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I think the answer to your question is: no one gives a ****, son. Did you really think that a weak, uninspired and lame question masquerading as something of interest but merely serving to promote your poorly laid out and derivative blogging would have us all singing your praises ? I told you before, son, the only place your going to get any joy with that is in front of the mirror.
Having said this, perhaps we have all read you incorrectly. This is the renaissance man in action. You have used this 'post' as a modern medium to retell the myth of Narcissus, yourself cast as the vain youth. Or maybe this is moving on a couple of hundred years to neoclassicism - it's a difficult one to judge. When looked upon in this light I say bravo to you sir - re-educating the geeks is a fine and noble cause. Perhaps you might think of creating an allegory of HTC with all those wanting the 2.1 update cast as Tantalus, HTC the vengeful fates. It's food for thought
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actually this is even not the first time i posted something about my blog, i.e. i posted my htc sense review and my motorola milestone review. luckily the people understood that i really meant to provide some information for the interested, and i got some positive feedback.
oh BTW: haven't you send me a private message asking to collaborate on my blog? i still have that in my inbox. funny.
and no, the question wasn't a cheap disguise, as you can see nobody could answer it. i still want to know if we will get landscape view as its a very good feature i got used to on my milestone testdevice.
No landscape mode im afraid (not juding by the video clips ive seen of the legend which runs 2.1 and new sense UI but does not tilt orientation.
and in response to the response - nice use of the english language ......... and you re right its food for thought ha ha
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No landscape mode im afraid (not juding by the video clips ive seen of the legend which runs 2.1 and new sense UI but does not tilt orientation.
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i hope this is not true. i really hate it when browsing on landscape mode and when you need to do something on the homcescreens you'll get the vertical view.
this would be a killer criteria. the more i see which way htc sense goes, the more i lean toward the nexus one (faster updates, landscape view).
I didnt realise the nexus one could tilt the homescreen !!!
and dont let gabriel tit put you off your blogging man. I quite often have a look at links and blogs on forums - sometimes theres a nuggett of information that is interesting on them!!!!!
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I didnt realise the nexus one could tilt the homescreen !!!
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well it has android 2.1 running and afaik this is a standard feature of it.
on htc desire you have the htc sense overlay which may be the reason for the missing landscape view.
milestone has it so i'm expecting that the nexus one has it too, but i'm not 100% sure.
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and dont let gabriel tit put you off your blogging man. I quite often have a look at links and blogs on forums - sometimes theres a nuggett of information that is interesting on them!!!!!
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yeah, normally i wouldn't. but i could see this discussion going on off topic, and then it would really look like cheap advertising as many people would check out the topic when its at the top of the message board. Therefore i deleted that part and kept the question which i really wanted to get an answer for.
Ladies
See through the cheap masquerade - Jesus wept - you geeks aren't the sharpest tools
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See through the cheap masquerade - Jesus wept - you geeks aren't the sharpest tools
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AND HE SCOOOOOOOOORES m8 srsly ure the only one who sees behind his deception LOL
back to topic: id love to have an option to enable landscape on home screen, so yes, i give a ****
Read the Question
When I say you geeks aren't the sharpest tools - apart from the appauling use of grammar or lack of it - read the question - I haven't attacked the question per say - rather the cheap attempt at posing a 'question' masquerading as a tool to get you poor unsuspecting fools to read the crap this fool has written elsewhere.
I don't suffer fools yet ironically suffer them alot - this site, for all it's purported intelligence commonly shows a distinct lack of it - Boo Hoo
someone lock this thread up
Using tradition as knowledge HTC will never add landscape to Sense UI unless they release a device with physical keyboard...
Dont mind Gabriel...hes always here trying to bring attention to himself,using empty off-topic phrases in order to look smarter and enlighted.
Thread closed.
This obviously isn't directed to everyone. But to those few, please show everyone absolute respect. There's never a need for name calling or rude behavior. We all learn this as small children. Let's do our best to carry this into our adult lives. Okay?
Ok,
I see this raging debate about the 30FPS and I am starting to wonder what I might be missing in the discussion.
So, leaving out the issue of 'but it could be so much faster' (yes I know that is difficult for some techies...), why do I care? I am your average smart phone user. I am not a power user and only game I'd care to have on phone would be maybe my old Might and Magics (but havent even considered looking to see if that is possible).
I use GPS, camera, (video would be a bonus but if I really want I'll use my panasonic lumix), phone, email, internet, texting (SMS & MMS).
Now I do notice that if my finger moves too fast on lock screen I lose the locker and it goes back into place. Is that a frame rate issue? Don't know, but seems to work for me to just slow down my unlock swipe.
Please let me know if there is some black hole I do not see about this FPS issue. To me it is like computer builds....do people overclock and could my machine go faster? Yep...but do I even care? Not really, it works for my current gaming use of Forgotten Realms stuff and should work for Dragon Age when that price comes down far enough for me. When I need a faster computer I'll build one...figure if this phone makes it for next 1.5-2 years with it's current setup I am pretty good.
My Evo is lickety split fast. This 30fps is a tempest in a teapot.
There is like 5 topics on this filled with information that already answers all of your question.
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There is like 5 topics on this filled with information that already answers all of your question.
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There are 5 topics that go off into rants and hatin and they all talk about WHY it COULD be faster. I have yet to really figure out why the regular user should care.
I mean what I 'gather' is that some gamers find they want the phone to run as fast as their xbox. Well it's not a xbox and not even a psp. So if that is what is upsetting people...then I just ask for clarification.
If there is another actual smart phone function that is severly crippled by this FPS...then I am missing it.
So...I have looked at those threads...as long as they seemed productive. They do not answer MY question which is...what things specifically are impacted by the FPS issue? And in association with that, what should an average smartphone user care about?
Looking at all the vids of performance and all the numbers have been helpful in 'showing' that this exists. If you don't want to help, no need to bother with this thread...go read others.
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There is like 5 topics on this filled with information that already answers all of your question.
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yeah...and if the fps cap has no relevance to you, then why are you making a whole other thread dedicated to it, when we already have a ton... People like you make absolutely no sense and (no offense) I feel are a big part of whats wrong in society today... people with no "common"-sense.
I wanna be able to run the PSX emulator for Android that ZoTTD is working on when it comes out (hopefully this month, FF7 FTW!) and I am doubtful 30 FPS will cut it. Emulators are the only gaming I care about, personally.
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yeah...and if the fps cap has no relevance to you, then why are you making a whole other thread dedicated to it, when we already have a ton... People like you make absolutely no sense and (no offense) I feel are a big part of whats wrong in society today... people with no "common"-sense.
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I don't think there's any reason to attack, I think he has a valid question. He is basically saying he likes his phone and it fulfills his needs, but what is it exactly that he would get daily use out of that he is missing with the FPS cap. This is the General thread where it belongs after all, at least he didn't post this in Development...
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There are 5 topics that go off into rants and hatin and they all talk about WHY it COULD be faster. I have yet to really figure out why the regular user should care.
I mean what I 'gather' is that some gamers find they want the phone to run as fast as their xbox. Well it's not a xbox and not even a psp. So if that is what is upsetting people...then I just ask for clarification.
If there is another actual smart phone function that is severly crippled by this FPS...then I am missing it.
So...I have looked at those threads...as long as they seemed productive. They do not answer MY question which is...what things specifically are impacted by the FPS issue? And in association with that, what should an average smartphone user care about?
Looking at all the vids of performance and all the numbers have been helpful in 'showing' that this exists. If you don't want to help, no need to bother with this thread...go read others.
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INPUT LAG!!
that is my issue with the 30fps and it goes away when I apply the hack! Thats just me though..
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yeah...and if the fps cap has no relevance to you, then why are you making a whole other thread dedicated to it, when we already have a ton... People like you make absolutely no sense and (no offense) I feel are a big part of whats wrong in society today... people with no "common"-sense.
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WOW....I am what is wrong with society? Person who actually does research, who digs into issues, who weighs pros and cons, and looks for more information before making a decision?
I am what is wrong with society when I do not instantly fall into the current tempest/furor/infotainment/news crisis and actually want to think through it before I decide it it is even worth my time?
That is what is wrong with society???
WOW...thank you. I did not think I could be amazed by anything today. You rank right up there because instead of just continuing on with your day you took the time to actually post a very judgemental post and reach out to deliberatly swing at someone you do not know...showing your true colors for me.
Input lag and emulators...got it.
Input lag....I assume you mean on typing and screen movements?
Emulators...I love the idea and that is kinda what I wondered from most of the discussions.
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WOW....I am what is wrong with society? Person who actually does research, who digs into issues, who weighs pros and cons, and looks for more information before making a decision?
I am what is wrong with society when I do not instantly fall into the current tempest/furor/infotainment/news crisis and actually want to think through it before I decide it it is even worth my time?
That is what is wrong with society???
WOW...thank you. I did not think I could be amazed by anything today. You rank right up there because instead of just continuing on with your day you took the time to actually post a very judgemental post and reach out to deliberatly swing at someone you do not know...showing your true colors for me.
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I didn't mean to offend you but it just makes absolutely no sense to start anther entire thread over an issue that you don't even care for. If you KNOW your thread has and will not gather any productive information, then why the heck are you posting... It seems like you just want your two cents voiced, so that you can feel relevant... And correct me if I am wrong. But wouldn't you agree that people without the slightest bit of common sense or logical reasoning are what is wrong with the world today?
and I commented on your post because I am getting tired of this wonderful and helpful forum being turned into a scapegoat for egomaniacs who don't give a damn about productivity and just want to type non-sense at their keyboard and hope that others believe they know what they are talking about.
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and I commented on your post because I am getting tired of this wonderful and helpful forum being turned into a scapegoat for egomaniacs who don't give a damn about productivity and just want to type non-sense at their keyboard and hope that others believe they know what they are talking about.
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No disrespect, but what productivity did you add to this thread?
starplaya93 you need a hug.
(and I do not mean that in any kind of sarcastic way.)
This site and these forums have been 90% of my research on the new phone, I appreciate everyone that posts constructive stuff here. These forums helped me get rid of all the AT&T bloatware on my Raphael.
Sorry you feel my post rubbed you the wrong way, but I can guarantee that there are other newbs of all forms that would see your post and never participate. Me I got tuffer skin as I have lived on investment forums for the last 15 years or so...you want flaming fight add politics to investment.
Anyway, I still am very interested in my question...and think pulling the exact issues from all the scattered threads (which address hating the cap and how to fix) into one thread of why it is an issue is worthwhile.
Oh well...as they say...ymmv.
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Input lag and emulators...got it.
Input lag....I assume you mean on typing and screen movements?
Emulators...I love the idea and that is kinda what I wondered from most of the discussions.
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Input lag is an issue that affects ALL evo users, not just gamers.
There is a full half second delay when scrolling up and down. You can try it yourself in the Settings app, just swipe your finger up or down real fast and the screen lags behind your finger's movement.
Its really lame, especially for a phone this powerful.
It's not just the fps. The input frequency is lowered as well. So, not only does scrolling through menus look blurry and doesn't follow your finger very well, there's also a lag behind it to begin with. The touch frequency is 30Hz, and the display rate is 30fps. Those two combined creates a visually disgusting appearance. Because the hardware is capable of much more is NOT the reason we're pissed off; that's just more reason to justify why it should be doing what we expect. Would you buy a 1080p 55" LCD for $2000 if it showed all your blu-rays at 12fps? I certainly wouldn't.
hmmm
Ive been reading XDA for a while just never posted anything... Im sorry but sablesurfer didnt do anything wrong.. I see a fight starting now.... lol
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It's not just the fps. The input frequency is lowered as well. So, not only does scrolling through menus look blurry and doesn't follow your finger very well, there's also a lag behind it to begin with. The touch frequency is 30Hz, and the display rate is 30fps. Those two combined creates a visually disgusting appearance. Because the hardware is capable of much more is NOT the reason we're pissed off; that's just more reason to justify why it should be doing what we expect. Would you buy a 1080p 55" LCD for $2000 if it showed all your blu-rays at 12fps? I certainly wouldn't.
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I know you have been working on this also..so are you returning the phone or are you confident this will get ironed out? I'm just asking for your personal opinion.
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I know you have been working on this also..so are you returning the phone or are you confident this will get ironed out? I'm just asking for your personal opinion.
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I'd rather not give my personal opinion because people will probably take it as facts.
What I will tell you is that I do not see any evidence in the kernel of specific instructions for the supersonic to throttle the fps, whether it be halting refresh or alternating the framebuffer. This is not to say that it's not there; I just haven't found it yet. Everything is a little confusing because we don't have the official source, and even without the HDMI drivers, it's still throttled, meaning that it can't be the HDMI driver code stealing the frames.
To answer your question, I probably will not return the phone. I still love it.
This thread absolutely applies to me. I have tried to follow a few of the others on this topic, but they quickly became overly technical or a sounding board for anyone that has to find fault.
Cicatrize - Thank you for the concise answer to the question. I am not a "superuser" of this phone, yet, but agree that the delayed input is a bit bothersome. It's good to know that THAT is the outcome that effects me most.
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This thread absolutely applies to me. I have tried to follow a few of the others on this topic, but they quickly became overly technical or a sounding board for anyone that has to find fault.
Cicatrize - Thank you for the concise answer to the question. I am not a "superuser" of this phone, yet, but agree that the delayed input is a bit bothersome. It's good to know that THAT is the outcome that effects me most.
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Agreed. It became even more bothersome to me last night when my buddy's ancient G1 was smoother than my phone. He actually noticed it before I had a chance to tell him. He said it looked choppy and blurry when swiping desktops and scrolling. The input lag seemed to really annoy him too.
Sent from my HTC EVO using the XDA app.
Thanks OP for starting this thread. I was wondering the same thing