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Is Athena as a good phone? Re-polled.

The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant.
The answers are:
A. Outstanding
B. Above Average
C. Average
D. Below Average
E. Fail.
Thank you for your vote.

You're fast, mate! . Like I said, I use LG Style I, so the size does'nt really matter. No question it is one of the best phones I have.

I'm still casting the same vote, which is above average.

you cant re write history to suit your sad agendas!
you ALL VOTED in the original poll and because you didnt like the results you are now re polling to try and get the results you want!
How deceitful and sad is that
QUOTE:eaglesteve My okay really means it may not be the best phone in the world, but it's still very good. I read post 1 and interpret the meaning differntly from spacecat. Anyway, why not you start a new poll?
I would love to know what kind of deluded person thinks that OKAY = VERY GOOD!
OKAY= OKAY
VERY GOOD = VERY GOOD
OKAY to anyone who is sane and rational means average neither good nor bad.
Eagle Steve Poll ONLY below
If your missus said you were an OKAY SHAG would you think that you were
1. A Great Lover
2.An Average Lover, pleasant enough but not mindlblowing in any sense
3. Crap
I reckon old eagle is pretty average and has to convince himself that this means VERY GOOD!

Enough pissing contest and argument on your thread already. Your post needs no response. Just let the voters tell us their own meaning of okay. For me it means satisfactory and good. For you it may mean not bad but also not good at all. Let the people decide, okay?

eaglesteve said:
Enough pissing contest and argument on your thread already. Your post needs no response. Just let the voters tell us their own meaning of okay. For me it means satisfactory and good. For you it may mean not bad but also not good at all. Let the people decide, okay?
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NAh lets argue about it!
ps I LOVE the way YOU NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION!
Why did YOU VOTE in a poll YOU thought was deceitful? That makes YOU a FOOL doesnt it?

Much better poll. Spacecat, you are a trip.

techntrek said:
Much better poll. Spacecat, you are a trip.
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yeah i know!

spacecat.. get a life. athenalover: who the hell cares what others thinks about the Athena?!? The immense insight and information thats available to us on this forum helps everyone to get their hands on the gear that suits their purpose the best, and to get it working the way it should from the beginning!
That does not include these kinds of threads though.. come on guys read a page on the xda-wiki and learn something for Christs sake ;-)

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spacecat.. get a life. athenalover: who the hell cares what others thinks about the Athena?!? The immense insight and information thats available to us on this forum helps everyone to get their hands on the gear that suits their purpose the best, and to get it working the way it should from the beginning!
That does not include these kinds of threads though.. come on guys read a page on the xda-wiki and learn something for Christs sake ;-)
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for F**k sake mate some people just like to argue, why dont you take your own advice and ignore the thread...........

for ****s sake mate... I just did

"The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant"
I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
Either way I think the consensus has been reached: whether or not the questions in the Spacecat's poll were leading the points brought up in the thread more than answered what needed to be answered. Let's NOT have a recount. Let's just accept that for some people the phone is too big and for some it's fine. Whether of not you choose to wear the Athena in a holster, in your pocket, with a bluetooth headset, wired headset or in a bumbag the fact is it's your property and you're obviously happy using it. I found it a bit big so I got something a bit smaller.
Athenalover, don't try to be a martyr. The poll was never going anywhere anyway: it's on an Athena forum for God's sake so the only people who will be watching the forum will be A) people who own an Athena and B)people who owned one and got rid of it. The people who got rid of it probably found it too big so will argue vehemently that it's too big; the people who still own one and enjoy it obviously DON'T find it too big and will argue vehemently that it's not too big if you use it like they do.
With all due respect this thread seems headed for no-where

like I said

Seems history has been re-written, and this poll shows its just fine or better for most people.

leoni1980 said:
"The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant"
I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
Either way I think the consensus has been reached: whether or not the questions in the Spacecat's poll were leading the points brought up in the thread more than answered what needed to be answered. Let's NOT have a recount. Let's just accept that for some people the phone is too big and for some it's fine. Whether of not you choose to wear the Athena in a holster, in your pocket, with a bluetooth headset, wired headset or in a bumbag the fact is it's your property and you're obviously happy using it. I found it a bit big so I got something a bit smaller.
Athenalover, don't try to be a martyr. The poll was never going anywhere anyway: it's on an Athena forum for God's sake so the only people who will be watching the forum will be A) people who own an Athena and B)people who owned one and got rid of it. The people who got rid of it probably found it too big so will argue vehemently that it's too big; the people who still own one and enjoy it obviously DON'T find it too big and will argue vehemently that it's not too big if you use it like they do.
With all due respect this thread seems headed for no-where
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I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.

leoni1980 said:
I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
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lol Guess what ? Don't agree. =P I for one voted AND THEN read the posts. And yes, the questions really are, this time around, in no way tendencious.
And well, one can only observe that the votes seem to go a very different way...
Even if this thread doesn't turn into a pugila, I say let's see where it goes.

For Spacecat and Leoni especially, I would like to show you that Athena is not in the same category of portability as eee PC. It is no difference carrying this or a smaller phone.
See this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1835826#post1835826

As some other users said I own the LG Style-i so I carry my Athena hanging in my belt... so the size is not a problem for me neither.
In this condition I consider athena Above the Average as phone.

athenalover said:
I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.
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if you don't like his interpretation don't get wound up about it. I made my points quite eloquently, i am fair in my points, being that i owned an athena and don't have a reason to either hate it or love it. To say that it is absurd to find bluetooth inconvenient is a bit of a sweeping statement since some people prefer to use a handset and not have microwaves flowing through their heads all day. I didn't know if i'd like the size of the athena and i was perfectly aware of its features however it was a contract upgrade and cost very little so i thought i'd like to try it. I only carried it in a bag when i had a bluetooth keyboard, often i would carry it in my pocket though at all times i was aware of it and concerned about breaking the screen. Despite this i happen to prefer using a bag to a holster given the option.. Please don't compare me with other people just because i'm not 100 percent in the athena fan club, i make fair assessments based on my personal experience, you however seem like an illiterate and narrow-minded wally (forgive me if i am mistaken). Hopefully some of the contributors to this thread have a little more common sense and fair mindedness. If they don't then what's the point of this poll and this thread generally?

athenalover said:
I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.
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if you don't like his interpretation don't get wound up about it. I made my points quite eloquently, i am fair in my points, being that i owned an athena and don't have a reason to either hate it or love it. To say that it is absurd to find bluetooth inconvenient is a bit of a sweeping statement since some people prefer to use a handset and not have microwaves flowing through their heads all day. I didn't know if i'd like the size of the athena and i was perfectly aware of its features however it was a contract upgrade and cost very little so i thought i'd like to try it. I only carried it in a bag when i had a bluetooth keyboard, often i would carry it in my pocket though at all times i was aware of it and concerned about breaking the screen. Despite this i happen to prefer using a bag to a holster given the option.. Please don't compare me with other people just because i'm not 100 percent in the athena fan club, i make fair assessments based on my personal experience, you however seem like an illiterate and narrow-minded wally (forgive me if i am mistaken). Hopefully some of the contributors to this thread have a little more common sense and fair mindedness. If they don't then what's the point of this poll and this thread generally?

Why close a discussion thread?

mikechannon said:
"In general "I hate my phone" threads neither contribute soluactions to problems nor do they seek answers to problems in a calm and reasoned way.
These forums are for the giving and receiving of information that assists users to get the best from their device - it is not a vehicle for "sounding-off" about your phone.
This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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Ok .... so, the fact that we know HTC pay attention to people gripes, comments and compliments on these forums.... if that had been a "we love HTC thread" would that have been closed?
I agree being rude and obnoxious are very good reasons but ... why not censor the very few posts related to it. Why close the general dissastifaction with what appears to be a typical HTC release. Without a place to talk about the general failure of HTC, how can the majority of people learn? How can those prospective customers be aware of the challenges they need to overcome to turn a rubbish device (out of the factory) into a great device (after XDA and chefs)?
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And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
The one thing i've always used in years is the xda forums and some of that i haven't even owned a HTC device. Like it or not, most people here have invested a lot of hard earned cash (or will over the next 18/24 months) and that will naturaly attract an emotional value - hence some anger when something like this doesn't work. The fact there was so much feeling in that thread should indicate the level of "emotion" about it and the incensed feeling they have about the amount people feel they have spent, money and time, on a device they are so unhappy about. Maybe if you guys created a "vent here thread" you might get to allow people to rant AND get usefull threads - heck, even HTC might read the "vent here thread!" and take note?
I'm so worried after reading todays threads in particular, about ordering mine earlier today but sadly nothing else that supports FULL exchange meets my requirements. I know my consumer rights and will use them to the full should I need to but I hope not it does have so many great points.

Monty Burns said:
Ok .... so, the fact that we know HTC pay attention to people gripes, comments and compliments on these forums....
We don't know that for sure. There are many on here who would disagree, saying that for them, if HTC were listening, then perceived problems would have been resolved quicker.
I agree being rude and obnoxious are very good reasons but ... why not censor the very few posts related to it. Why close the general dissatisfaction with what appears to be a typical HTC release. Without a place to talk about the general failure of HTC, how can the majority of people learn? How can those prospective customers be aware of the challenges they need to overcome to turn a rubbish device (out of the factory) into a great device (after XDA and chefs)?
Problem with this argument is that there are some on here who don't wish to face those challenges, which is fair enough. However what they do is to gripe about it and not help themselves, even when you point them in the right direction.
And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
Not sure where you get that from. Please provide evidence of this or retract.
The one thing i've always used in years is the xda forums and some of that i haven't even owned a HTC device. Like it or not, most people here have invested a lot of hard earned cash (or will over the next 18/24 months) and that will naturally attract an emotional value - hence some anger when something like this doesn't work. The fact there was so much feeling in that thread should indicate the level of "emotion" about it and the incensed feeling they have about the amount people feel they have spent, money and time, on a device they are so unhappy about. Maybe if you guys created a "vent here thread" you might get to allow people to rant AND get useful threads - heck, even HTC might read the "vent here thread!" and take note?
Any "ranting", as you put it, should be made direct to HTC. XDA-Developers is exactly that; a developers site with a lot of interested non-developers in it. Its not the place to take out your frustrations against a manufacturer.
Re your point on hard earned cash being spent, I can't disagree with this. However ask these people how many of them went out and gave the device a really good test drive and an assessment of whether it would meet their needs or not and you will be silenced by the response.
I'm so worried after reading todays threads in particular, about ordering mine earlier today but sadly nothing else that supports FULL exchange meets my requirements. I know my consumer rights and will use them to the full should I need to but I hope not it does have so many great points.
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If you have doubts about this device then don't buy it. You will be severely disappointed. If you have not taken time out to test drive one before putting your order in then, with respect, more fool you.
Finally, moderators on here bend over backwards NOT to close threads or be seen as censoring debate. However we have to keep a balance and if, in our judgment, a thread is getting out of hand or no longer has any value nor serve any useful purpose then it will be closed.
All the best,
WB

as you've quoted inside of quotes you have made it really dificult for me to "quote" back - nice job! (although i suspect not deliberate).
"We don't know that for sure. There are many on here who would disagree, saying that for them, if HTC were listening, then perceived problems would have been resolved quicker."
Yeah ok. So the very big majority of Winmob market phones are produced by HTC, this site is dedicated to HTC (and historicaly Winmob).... do you REALLY think they don't read these forums? Really? Honestly? Are you sure?
"Problem with this argument is that there are some on here who don't wish to face those challenges, which is fair enough. However what they do is to gripe about it and not help themselves, even when you point them in the right direction."
I agree. There are SOME who want to gripe. There are a ship load more who want to make a device work but can't, no matter the support they get from the community - random users suffering from the SMS bug for example? The very fact most of these people have googled/have knowledge of these forums, means that they have at least gone to some effort to resolve an issue. So yes some, but a VERY small number. So, how can they air the frustrations they have? where? Maybe the most expansive and read HTC forums... thats a good place to start!
"And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
Not sure where you get that from. Please provide evidence of this or retract."
*sigh* .... ok .... i'll come back to this but, i did quote, if you really want me to link to a thread closed in the past 10 minutes other than i already quoted your mod. I will.
"Any "ranting", as you put it, should be made direct to HTC. XDA-Developers is exactly that; a developers site with a lot of interested non-developers in it. Its not the place to take out your frustrations against a manufacturer."
Yeah ya know, it was a developers site years ago.... its not any more and hasn't been for a long time. Its a cookers and users site now. If you still think HTC don't read this forum then .... The sites success over the years can also be its greatest strength if you let it.
Now this isn't a problem of the site itself, more one with many reviews and fanboys of ALL phones, Iphone, HTC, Nokia....
"Re your point on hard earned cash being spent, I can't disagree with this. However ask these people how many of them went out and gave the device a really good test drive and an assessment of whether it would meet their needs or not and you will be silenced by the response."
Trying out a phone is a shop is a VERY diferent affair to OWNING one. Any person will know that, sadly though, many of us have to go by the reviews and forum comments that are available and try to filter out what may or may not be fanboy. Magazines, forum posts, personal reviews, blogs are all individual and very personal. Saying that someone should have reviewed more is simply not fair. Its impossible. Try asking your local O2 shop if you can take a phone away for a couple of weeks to try?
Hold on .... yes you can!!!! And that was the point of the last thread that got closed! Your fellow mod closed a thread which wasn't actually personal to anyone and (from a personal fed up with moaners point of view) I was trying educate people who purchased there phones in the UK that they had a bucket load of rights. If they are not happy, and it was purchased from the uk, then please "turn it in!" and return it.
Now from my pov, i'm a londoner (can you tell?) but i work all over the world. Currently im in Durban (yeah I was there at the test match! and met the England team) but out here they dont have the HD 2 so, I have to go on the reviews etc. Some people out here will spend near on £600 getting it imported from Expansys UK (ummm .... co.za) and other sites.
also..
Can i provide evidence? No. It was not made public so all I can assume is that if I PM a mod, things will be closed:
mikechannon said:
"In general "I hate my phone" threads neither contribute soluactions to problems nor do they seek answers to problems in a calm and reasoned way.
These forums are for the giving and receiving of information that assists users to get the best from their device - it is not a vehicle for "sounding-off" about your phone.
This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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How can i provide more evidence than that? I'm not privvy to your private messages. The previous line though backs up my "love HTC or go away" argument to a small extent:
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This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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I really think you guys, having helped, actually almost pushed HTC to where they are should now use your position and be .... responsible(? maybe a bit strong)) ... finaly get off the HTC only band wagon. Let them know that the stunning products they produce will no longer be accepted only 90% complete.
Ok. Lets be realistic. I ain't gona change your minds on anything and I don't want you to rebel against HTC as they make amazing hardware but, at least, in the position you have got.... maybe create a "if your gone B*&% and let off steam, do it in this thread?" thread? Maybe, just maybe there will be a common thread in it that HTC will finaly get to grips with .....?
Oh, and i've had a tytn, tytn 2 and having had both of those replaced under warranty i thought... no! Poke it! And had a tosh g900 when most people couldnt even spell 800 res screens and then foolishly went to a TD. That was refunded quickly under sales of goods act. Have an Acer M900 but due to the fact i'm living in south africa and i purchased that under my company contract, i now need to replace next week when im back in the UK. I was looking at a Milestone but the exchange support is rubbish at best. So, I have a week to try the HD2 or return it as not fit for purpose.... I do however, really want it to work!
And one final word.... my best winmob device without a device? Well two actually .... the Samsung Omnia and the baggage reconciliation devices i'm working with at the new Durban airport (what??? its not just a PHONE O/S!!!!??)

My opinion.
Here's an example of 2 threads.
MY HD2 IS THE WORST FONE ON THE PLANIT
I bought this fone for £x000 dollars and it should do everything I can ever imagine, rite out of the out of the box. I am disgusted that HTC expect ME to fix their problems.
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SMS didn't send
Hi everyone.
I tried to send a text message to my friends earlier and it's stuck in my outbox. Does anyone know why this might be? Does anyone have a suggestion as to what I should do about it?
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This forum is not about defending or slating any particular device. It is meant for users to get together and talk about ways to make the experience better. This forum is not responsible for the fact that some hardware that comes out of some factory and gets some software installed on it is not 100% perfect!
Now for 1 moment, can we please put aside arguments regarding the device and talk about the forum? Which of the above 2 threads is the most constructive?
Thank you.

johncmolyneux said:
Here's an example of 2 threads.
This forum is not about defending or slating any particular device. It is meant for users to get together and talk about ways to make the experience better. This forum is not responsible for the fact that some hardware that comes out of some factory and gets some software installed on it is not 100% perfect!
Now for 1 moment, can we please put aside arguments regarding the device and talk about the forum? Which of the above 2 threads is the most constructive?
Thank you.
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More to the point, what is the point of leaving the first example open? At the very least there should be a dedicated section for those unhelpful posts (as [★] suggested yesterday) but I think they should just be closed as they're so worthless.

Do you work for a newspaper?
Both comments are usefull. Just because you don't see the use in both doesn't mean they are not usefull. Does that mean 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms so they should be ignored of Fred Smiths Condom appreciation website?
(sorry thats a really poor example but its 2am here in SA and i've been on the beer and Eve-online and films for a few hours )
Very fair play to you for putting forward an argument (non abusive as I would hope) and maybe catch up tomorrow.

Monty,
You are a Londoner eh? I should have known. You lot are nothing but trouble makers!
First off sorry about the quotes within quotes; didn't realise it stopped you from quoting back. Now that I do...
OK, lots in your post that I could come back on in detail but I won't because I'm the sort of chap that likes going forwards, not looking back in self pity or whatever.
The one thing that you have suggested, and you are not the first, is that we think on somewhere where people can let off steam WITHOUT cluttering up the forums. As you know there is some work going on as to how best we can restructure the place to make it better. Can I ask you to be a little patient while all this gets worked through.
In the meantime, think on the following:
- Help us to support people who need and want help and please be robust about those that don't but just fancy a moan and upsetting people on here without ever really wanting to seek help or to help themselves (the word Troll comes to mind).
- If you look at the Development & Hacking forums you will see that Development is stronger than ever and does not change what this place is all about. The work of the chefs is recognised and appreciated, and you can argue that is also development so 2-0 there.
- Lets all try to be a little adult, constructive and get along a little. I can tell you that, from a Mods perspective, we really want to be doing other things to make people's lives on here better rather than spending time closing threads down because people just can't have a little respect for each other. I often wonder whether anyone ever reads the forum rules.
Finally thank you for keeping on the straight and narrow re this thread and not going off the rails and getting it closed.
WB

jakem said:
More to the point, what is the point of leaving the first example open? At the very least there should be a dedicated section for those unhelpful posts (as [★] suggested yesterday) but I think they should just be closed as they're so worthless.
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I totally agree mate (hence the support in said thread raised by [★] yesterday.)
I find this site a ridiculously valuable source of information when I need help with my phone, and I find it disheartening to have to wade through complaint after complaint just in order to get to constructive discussions.
If I wanted to live in troll city, I'd pack all my stuff into boxes; call a removals company; do some browsing of estate agents and property letting agents; check the reputation of the areas I was interested in and then guess what.... MOVE TO TROLL CITY!
I'm a placid guy generally, but some posts really make me struggle to just not tell the OP where to go.
+9999999 recurring to real constructive users of this site.
-9999999 recurring to trolls (and we know you don't think you're a troll, but you are.)

Monty Burns said:
Do you work for a newspaper?
Both comments are usefull. Just because you don't see the use in both doesn't mean they are not usefull. Does that mean 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms so they should be ignored of Fred Smiths Condom appreciation website?
(sorry thats a really poor example but its 2am here in SA and i've been on the beer and Eve-online and films for a few hours )
Very fair play to you for putting forward an argument (non abusive as I would hope) and maybe catch up tomorrow.
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If 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms then they should definitely speak their mind. They would be wrong though to go to a forum that supports uses of brand x condoms and slate them. A support forum is for support.

OK first, no idea who Martin is. (Its Monty spelt the wrong way - doh)
Second, guys sounds like we might have a good conversation on the values of "to HTC or not HTC" although I might be on the wrong side, despite just spending a bucket load of fivers on a HT2.
Please, keep it clean and (well funny if you can't) but not personaly insulting. Everyone on a keyboard is a human being!
Be safe, have fun!

Monty Burns said:
OK first, no idea who Martin is.
Second, guys sounds like we might have a good conversation on the values of "to HTC or not HTC" although I might be on the wrong side, despite just spending a bucket load of fivers on a HT2.
Please, keep it clean and (well funny if you can't) but not personaly insulting. Everyone on a keyboard is a human being!
Be safe, have fun!
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I agree with that totally, but I do think this thread should be moved to a general area. Let's face it, it's hardly HD2 specific now is it!
It would be nice to see everyone's thoughts on this, rather than just the ones with The God Phone. (Just kidding - that was meant to incite trouble )

To be fair, those "I hate this phone" ranting type threads really do spiral into a hate fest or at least the few I've seen. If a topic is interesting and you comment on it, and go back later to see how it develops when all that is left is just insults, it has no use to most if not all.

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I agree with that totally, but I do think this thread should be moved to a general area. Let's face it, it's hardly HD2 specific now is it!
It would be nice to see everyone's thoughts on this, rather than just the ones with The God Phone. (Just kidding - that was meant to incite trouble )
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Argh! I'm not a god!!! (although I think I am, with my size 9 shoes... bow down before me!)
Seriously, maybe a good idea. I guess in an odd way this may complement (orb3000s?) the other thread vote about should it be HTC or not site? We don't know you server statistics of course but, we can hope that we can get to the stage where we can give our opinion on HTC honestly..... ( i wanted to deleted that and not type it as its not fair, i think we can, mostly ).
In my view its like a really cool manopoly. The games fun to play for almost all of us (i may/may not include myself in that after 2 years HTC abscense on next Friday) but for some it really sucks cos they keep losing.
I would think that moving it to an adult discussion of the real benefits as us users see if you become "open" but, we have no idea of the server costs... only you guys do.
(you do of course know that pressure will mount and mount and mount with regards to non-HTC phones. Your not silly Samsung, LG, Acer.... to name but a few know that the serious money is in smart phones in the next few years, not feature. In Slough o2 test 150-200 meg 4g phones a couple of weeks ago )

From what I understand, this is a developers forum. i.e. look to the potential rather than to the faults as is.
There are far too many distracting threads along the lines of "the virtual keyboard is killing me", "my wife left me because of the battery life", "the pink camera issue made me kill my neighbour". These type of threads may have valid points but they are all a bit melodramatic and really don't serve the purpose of the forum very well as they fan the flames of discontent rather that rise to the can-fix mindset. Despite what the trolls (for want of a better word) might like to say, this isn't a fanboi site, it's for those who realise a problem and want to solve it, simply just improve things, or just want to tweak things just because they can! I'm sure most of us here are all too aware of the shortcomings of Windows mobile software, just as we recognise the potential & strengths of this platform.
Speaking as a self-confessed technophile I will admit to spending an not inconsiderable amount of hard-earned money on utter crap i.e. gadgets that promised so much, yet delivered so little or were simply just badly executed. The HD2 is non of these, it's a stunning piece of design & engineering. It's not perfect, for example: the sharp edges of the camera lens annoy me a little, but it doesn't induce a desire in me to vent my spleen to the world.
I'm optimistic, I hope to survive longer than my HD2 and maybe via this forum HTC will hear my concern for this non-life threatening design flaw and engineer a more ergonomic lens cover for the next mobile phone I get. If they don't, it will undoubtedly leave a microscopic void in my life, but I'm strong enough to move on and no doubt the HTC designers will burn in hell for their tardiness.
xda-developers is what is says and is a great community that helps us get the best from these intriguing phones, so please diss the efforts of those who contribute and recognise that enthusiasm is a far better fertilizer for technology than manure.
Besides that, looking at my HD2 I've just noticed that it's going to be wet & windy at "My Location" tomorrow. That's fifty miles away and I'm not even going there, so it's a win for me!

Htc new answer to evo 30fps limitation..

I sent several complaints to htc and got response from different reps.
Rep#1
"Thank you for your reply. You are correct that the Sprint EVO 4G is locked in at 30FPS. Since the HTC EVO 4G employs a unique HDMI output to deliver video in HD quality to an external display, the hardware graphics driver interface on the HTC EVO 4G uses significant resources for the HDMI output and therefore displays graphics at 30 frames per second on the integrated display. This is a hardware, and not a software, limitation. It’s important to keep in mind that content including most movies and television, are created to run at between 24 and 30 frames per second. The 30FPS is a hardware limitation. This should not present a major issue for most Android applications; however, the customer may have some issues with some 2D or 3D applications. We have also found that some games may be impacted by this limitation.
The device has been locked at 30 FPS due to enhance overall performance in the device. By lowering the FPS of the device the CPU works less. This increases the battery life of the device. There may be third party options available to remove this limitation; however HTC does not condone the use of, support the use of, or offer technical assistance with regard to these third party solutions. I do apologize for any inconvenience you may have experience."
Rep#2
"Thank you for taking the time to contact HTC America Technical Support via E-Mail with your comment regarding the fps of your HTC EVO 4G. I understand how important it is for your device to function to your specifications and I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you.
We are investigating the viability of claims that the limitation of 30fps can be overcome by software changes. As soon as we finish our investigations, HTC will announce its findings. There may be third party options available to remove this limitation; however HTC does not condone the use of, support the use of, or offer technical assistance with regard to these third party solutions.
If we can be of further assistance with setting up your sync program, please don’t hesitate to call 1.866.449.8358. We are available Sunday through Saturday 6:00 a.m. until 1:00."
Its htc really trying to find a solution or are they just full of it?
What do you think?
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Please.... This belongs in the general section.

really really wish mods would temp ban people for this

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Please.... This belongs in the general section.
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really really wish mods would temp ban people for this
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i feel like this is a development issue thats is why it was posted here so if you are not a moderator and cant help me move it to general. keep it to your self. im just trying to input some info for all the evo owners that are in question by this. " if im worng by putting this here this can always be deleted and posted somewhere else.

Yeah but if you actually read other sections on this site your responses have already been given to other people by HTC. These are not new, we have heard them before. This really should have been rolled in to the other pre existing threads. Why would you not post it in the general section and ask if it should be placed in development? I think I know the answer to my own question....
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Darn, I was hoping it was something new from them.

Wow! People really need to chill out. Why is everyone so easily bent out of shape recently here and at ppcgeeks?
EVO on Tapatalk

mlin said:
Wow! People really need to chill out. Why is everyone so easily bent out of shape recently here and at ppcgeeks?
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Do you really want to know?
Well this is a development forum. There is a slightly higher standard here and if you can't follow some basic rules then you have no business posting here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695844
Those are pretty clear to me. Pretty easy to follow for anyone with a brain stem. No one expects perfection or you to write source code the fastest but at least read the ****ing directions and follow the basic rules of our home.
This had no business getting posted in development, it has no business in general when there is a massive 600 something or whatever posts on this exact same crap. Not to mention multiple other scattered threads.
Best part is there is already a hacked solution to this with working camera / everything else working, that at least for now is more than enough. So anyone that really gives a **** already has the fix and this isn't even an issue.

Seriously!!! You ****ing losers need to calm down. You act like its ****ing blasphemy that this poor guy posted in the wrong place. What? Did you waste 10 seconds of your worthless lives reading his post and find something you already knew. Congrats!! If you dont have the power to move it then **** off. So much of this lately.

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Seriously!!! You ****ing losers need to calm down. You act like its ****ing blasphemy that this poor guy posted in the wrong place. What? Did you waste 10 seconds of your worthless lives reading his post and find something you already knew. Congrats!! If you dont have the power to move it then **** off. So much of this lately.
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I spent 20 seconds Not wasted mind you I knew what was going to ensue after I read the OP's post.
Each and everyone one of you have done this when you are new to a board. You only learn from experience. We were all NOOBS at one point. We didn't graduate to Geekdom overnight.
When I first came on here I was treated like a red-headed step child for not understanding how to ROOT. I read and read and eventually learned how on my own mostly due to the RUDE responses from some of the people who thought they were entitled to treat newcomers like 3rd rate citizens.
I have given my share of smart assed remarks and have called people out on some things. But when someone new posts a relink or asks a question that they could have searched for I just help because its no BIG deal.
Yes you can say they are lazy or perhaps you might have to consider they are new and aren't well versed in searching. Who really knows. If they are repeat offenders then call them out otherwise its just a simple post that anyone can choose to ignore and not contribute.
It's all good..

I don't think tech knowledge is the issue here and in other threads. I think the issue is forum etiquette. And on a tech/informative forum, the standard should be a little higher than that of a lounge type forum. People should have informative titles (which this one does). Posts should go in the relevant thread (possibly an issue on this one). Searches should be made before making any new thread. And content should be relevant, accurate, and informative (I'm guilty of that first with regards to this post). It can be a delicate balance between over regulation and under regulation. The forums with the highest signal to noise ratio tend to be over regulated but there is such a thing as going too far and pissing off your membership.
There is one forum that I am a member of and have been so for about five years now and I have not made one single post. I am a very outspoken person and I still have not posted there. Why? Because I haven't had anything extremely relevant that will bring knowledge to any of the threads I've seen there and if your post doesn't "bring the tech", you're banned. That's possibly taking it too far but I can say that it is one of the most well behaved, most informative forums I have ever seen. If I just want to hang out and shoot the breeze, I can do so on other forums. So, I just linger and watch, as newbs should do, until I have something to add.

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There is one forum that I am a member of and have been so for about five years now and I have not made one single post. I am a very outspoken person and I still have not posted there. Why? Because I haven't had anything extremely relevant that will bring knowledge to any of the threads I've seen there and if your post doesn't "bring the tech", you're banned. That's possibly taking it too far but I can say that it is one of the most well behaved, most informative forums I have ever seen. If I just want to hang out and shoot the breeze, I can do so on other forums. So, I just linger and watch, as newbs should do, until I have something to add.
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Hahaha... I bet you're talking about elitistjerks.com
Please. Just get over yourselves. It's a good thing that new people are coming to the forums. That means the Android community is growing and moving into more mainstream. Educate and direct people... don't spank them. Otherwise, you'll send them right back to their friendly iPhone forums.

Sounds to me like some 35 year old men need to get out of their moms basement and meet people face to face and learn how to treat others.
Holier than thou attitudes will run people away and along with that the innovation that comes with new ideas. I've been in many environments where a closed loop could not resolve an important issue because they were addressing the issue as they always have. It took someone new looking at the problem, with different experiences, in order to resolve the issue in the best possible way, if you don't like it, or your pride gets hurt, then you probably don't need to be part of the team.
I have also known people who could give Einstein a run for his money, but because they lacked the people skills, they couldn't get in with any major position enough where people would listen, they usually got sent to the corner of R&D and played with obscure possibilities.
As you can tell, I hate arrogance, and because I don't post much in this forum, doesn't mean I can't kick your ass in every other aspect of technology, worldly issues, and life in general.... So put down the mountain dew, and get up out of the basement, and maybe just maybe, you'll find that your high horse isn't high at all.

mrmomoman said:
I spent 20 seconds Not wasted mind you I knew what was going to ensue after I read the OP's post.
Each and everyone one of you have done this when you are new to a board. You only learn from experience. We were all NOOBS at one point. We didn't graduate to Geekdom overnight.
When I first came on here I was treated like a red-headed step child for not understanding how to ROOT. I read and read and eventually learned how on my own mostly due to the RUDE responses from some of the people who thought they were entitled to treat newcomers like 3rd rate citizens.
I have given my share of smart assed remarks and have called people out on some things. But when someone new posts a relink or asks a question that they could have searched for I just help because its no BIG deal.
Yes you can say they are lazy or perhaps you might have to consider they are new and aren't well versed in searching. Who really knows. If they are repeat offenders then call them out otherwise its just a simple post that anyone can choose to ignore and not contribute.
It's all good..
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100% with you, if i can help i will, if i need to call someone out, i will do it too, but not arguing, i just click the "report post button" and that's it. I think there are to many people here that want to be forum moderators and act like one, it's happening a lot lately!

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100% with you, if i can help i will, if i need to call someone out, i will do it too, but not arguing, i just click the "report post button" and that's it. I think there are to many people here that want to be forum moderators and act like one, it's happening a lot lately!
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Some of the pictures of the old school phones brings back memories. Too funny!!

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Some of the pictures of the old school phones brings back memories. Too funny!!
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lol, I know, the Teletack 250 was the first cellphone i could afford back in Venezuela 10 years ago or so, the next one whas my first phone here in the states with Voice Stream.

Lol wow... This forum is full of it... Higher standard? On the Internet? Lol....hilarious...

rotflmfao
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720242

WTF is up with the pissing matches

What the hell is up with all the fighting going on in this forum. A lot of people seem to ***** and moan about every little detail. It seems that whenever i go in to the popular threads like. Eugene's, or the lag fix, etc. and hit the last page, there is a lot of arguing going on. Can't we just be patient and content with what we are offered by the awesome work of the dev's we got. If we continue to ***** and moan about every little thing all they are going to do is work for themselves and maybe a couple of close friends and leave us out because all we ever do is complain. I know we are all eager to use our sweet ass phone to its full potential, but its going to take time. Just look at the g1 and how long it took to have it running at full potential and beyond. All i'm asking for is peace in this thread and make it a pleasure to come in here and read about new developments in peace. [end rant]

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Right on the money
You hit it right on the money.STFU people. Your not dev'n your bit**in, casuing it to slow down. We would porbally have CM6 if people would quit there yappin. Go play outside.

I sincerely hope you don't believe this thread is going to stop anything. This forum has been the same for many years and It will never change. This forum is full of children and they're all going to argue and fight. Your best bet is to ignore it and continue to what you're doing. Posting a thread like this puts yourself right down at their level.

for real. Im not sure if 75% of people on xda are children, but 75% are definitely childish.
i have never seen so much childish like arguing, fighting, and comments in my life
If people posted their age (real of course) I would assume that the large majority are 12-17.
threads like this never seem to actually change anything, but it does make me feel a little better to see a few people not acting like 12 yr olds.
Im not getting all 'high and mighty' but i think i act like a 'normal' person (not a whiny brat).
--not saying that younger people should not be here, or course they should, they just should not act so stupid, aggressive, impatient, disrespectful, immature with the comments

Coming from ppcgeeks this place is a war zone. I actually stayed at ppcgeeks even when I had a nexus one because everyone here is so rude.
You make a new topic and God forbid there's been another one days ago made, so now everyone jumps on your case hard core.
Unfortunately I have to come here cause ppcgeeks is mainly cdma ..
But it took a learning curve coming here.. gotta put on war paint to make a thread or even a post..lol

or if people want to argue about silly little things they can use this thread or make one thread just for arguing, if thats what gets you off, but leave the development threads clean and only post about relevent things dealing with the actual thread
p.s. Thanks Mods for moving it to the proper forum

kboater said:
for real. Im not sure if 75% of people on xda are children, but 75% are definitely childish.
i have never seen so much childish like arguing, fighting, and comments in my life
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Welcome to the internet and the power of anonymous posting! Nothing works better than a mask to hide behind and do and say things *most* people wouldn't do or say face to face.
Luis

Cool story bro.
Sent from the Matrix

Funny all the *****y haters didnt post yet.....hahahaha
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noticed it myself, and suspect some of it is due to feelings of inadequacy on some posters' - literally
there's one poster that 90%+ of his/her posts are rude, illogical and slamming on someone else's post - i've started to suspect that poster just needs to feed his/her own feelings of self-importance, and a keyboard is an easy & convenient tool

Waaah! My phone don't work! Waaaah! People won't stop complaining! Waaaah! People don't do the things I want them to do!
You know what complaining about complainers gets you? More complainers. Yeah.

Yeah?!?!?!
Well F you for starting this thread BRO!!!
/sarcasm

F everyone i'm done [throws vibrant out window] going back to the g1

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765441

I guess we should all be happy with beta-at-best quality work just because we're "lucky" to get the attention.

any phone has issues. Hell if its not the GPS its something else. N1s wacky touch screen that sucks, Droid x locked bootloader, evo separated screen and frame cap, etc.
No matter what there will always be something needing fixing or in samsungs eyes
OPTIMIZATIONS lol

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lol nice example

I read the title as "missing patches". Haha, I thought you were gonna be whining about no patches for gps or something.
I agree tho, been thinking it was just the captivate side with all the iphone people new to xda. I actually thought of leaving and coming back in a couple of months when things settle down.
Sent from my captivate

From what I see a lot of the pissing matches comes when 1 person has a different opinion on something and everyone has to tell him/her that is wrong.
I do agree though no one should EVER ***** or complain to a developer.
However if someone states a flaw without going oh my god this ruined my phone, but only just states it I don't see why everyone has to try to jump on them (usually the case).
For example in one thread I stated that I missed froyo and I hate that the Vibrant doesn't have it yet. Someone asked me what i missed, I answered with exactly what I missed and examples and I got jumped on for being impatient about developers releasing it. Never once did I say I wanted CM or any develeoper to release it (in fact I want it directly from Samsung), but the pitch forks came screaming those aren't big deals and and i needed to stfu and wait for a developer to release it.... which was never my point.
Too many people think there way is the only right way to think. Its rather annoying to see how far people will go too. Also I find that alot of people in these pissing matches don't read entire posts which I find funny because 1 person is usually arguing with someone who has the same general opinion but slightly different and they make it out to be a night and day difference.

I am definitely sending my tablet back - no refund

Hi all!
I experienced a couple of issues with my tablet, but nothing crazy as far as now. I was still considering an exchange instead of a refund.
I have a faulty jack port, bad speakers balanced (corrected after root), and like every body else, bad battery monitoring with the dock losing charge while doing nothing. Some light bleeding, but minor and I didn't really cared. Oh and also, bad LED lights behaviour on the dock, which may be corrected with a dock firmware update, or not.
Anyway, the even worst surprised today is that my power adapter is dead. This is too much for me. I am really disappointed by Asus quality. Honestly, I can deal with some software issues, I can admit that such a complicated design like a tablet may lead to a faulty jack port (and even that...) but, really, a wrong design in the power adapter TOO ? How such a common and basic thing can go wrong ? And it is not like I have done something crazy with it, just plug it on the main to charge the dock/tablet and that's it. After 2 weeks, dead.
Asus, maybe you should reconsider some bits of you engineering process and especially the quality checks parts.
So my decision is taken, I will send it back and that's it. No more TF101 for me. I may wait for the next generation (October ?) hoping that the first generation was a test but maybe not. I will see. I liked the tablet.
We are not talking about a $1 toy and I clearly expected another quality paramount.
This is sad, when it works properly the tablet is good for the use I am looking at and the keyboard with extended battery is simply smart and useful. When you can charge it...

Get ready for the crazy fanboys to troll your thread with messages like "Mine is fine so you must be imagining it" or "You're in the minority" and then finish it up by calling you a troll.
You listed some issues that I forgot about. You're lucky you're taking the easy way out. TD doesn't allow refunds so I was forced to send it in to Asus on my dime. Counting all of the issues this device is plagued with will run you >$100.00 in postage alone to send this POS back.
Now I hear the B6O revision is better and it makes one feel like ****. B6O should have been what the device should have started with. They ripped everyone off.
We are not talking about a $1 toy and I clearly expected another quality paramount.
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Apparently this is lost on the fanboys.

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Get ready for the crazy fanboys to troll your thread with messages like "Mine is fine so you must be imagining it" or "You're in the minority" and then finish it up by calling you a troll.
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I think that I was part of the fanboys when I firstly received my tablet/dock. But each day was a new bad surprise.
On the good side, amazon does a very great job. They pay back everything : product+shipping costs+cost to ship back and insure it. We cannot expect better that having a product we don't want to send back.

fanboys are an unfortunate part of forum life. if you think they're bad here head over to the archos forums. you cant say one bad thinb wighout someone telling you it's your fault and that your expectations are too high. i rma'd my archos 4 time befor giving up and getting transformer. While i love my tf, i did exchange my first one for light bleed and dead pixel. current one is not perfect,but well within my tolerance level compared with my archos.
i think qc is a problem across the tablet spectrum right now. for the price i do think the tf is the best deal going.
that said ignore the fanfoys and do what in righg for you. the acer is not as nice and a little heavier, but has better build quality for the price.

How do you tell what revision you have? Is it printed on the exterior of the tablet? Ie, can I check something like that while I'm in the store easily?
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fanboys are an unfortunate part of forum life. if you think they're bad here head over to the archos forums. you cant say one bad thinb wighout someone telling you it's your fault and that your expectations are too high. i rma'd my archos 4 time befor giving up and getting transformer. While i love my tf, i did exchange my first one for light bleed and dead pixel. current one is not perfect,but well within my tolerance level compared with my archos.
i thing qc is a problem across gnd tablet spdctrum right now. for the price i do think the tf is the best deal going.
that said ignore the fanfoys and do what in righg for you. the acer is not as nice and a littld heavier, but has better build quality for ghd price.
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Funny, I seriously considered the iconia before getting the TF, just knew that I could not live with the screen as I often work with my tablet in direct sunlight and there is quite a difference between the iconia and say the TF or galaxy tab 10.1.
Sorry you had many issues with your machine.....for what its worth, I've boughtAsus products for 15 years and they are usually good quality, but every manufacturer has issues here and there. Hope it works out for you :-D

yeah....anyone who's satisfied with their purchase is a "Fanboy" and anyone who's plagued with problems is "to be expected"

Welcome to xda's technical support for the TF. We are here to listen to all of your complaints and issues. If we seem yo not care, it's because we don't. Feel free to continue spamming our forums with all of your unproductive and useless threads. We look forward to your feedback.
Good day
PS. I am not a fanboy. Just a veteran xda user who is getting tired of the load of bull**** on these forums. Feel me?
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yeah....anyone who's satisfied with their purchase is a "Fanboy" and anyone who's plagued with problems is "to be expected"
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no anyone who pops into every topic that is discussing an issue just to tell everyone that either the problem doesn't really exist or you should have researched more, or what do you expect for the $, is a fanboy. also they tend to reply to posts asking about quality with comments like.."there are almost no issues,ignore what you read about issues, only the few with issues actually post, so they look more common than they are".
;-)

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How do you tell what revision you have? Is it printed on the exterior of the tablet? Ie, can I check something like that while I'm in the store easily?
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The serial number is on the bottom edge of the tablet, near the charging port. It's also on the back of the box, along with other info and some barcodes.
Good luck.

Welcome to xda's technical support for the TF. We are here to listen to all of your complaints and issues. If we seem yo not care, it's because we don't. Feel free to continue spamming our forums with all of your unproductive and useless threads. We look forward to your feedback.
Good day
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Yeah, because technical support here is so farfetched. Listen if you want to be an asshole, that's your prerogative but don't act like there aren't people here who want to help people. So your implicit statement that there is no technical support here is false on its face. Ya feel me playa?
Asus Technical Support is so bad the users have to get it wherever they can. Oops.
yeah....anyone who's satisfied with their purchase is a "Fanboy" and anyone who's plagued with problems is "to be expected"
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Yeah, this would be funny if you weren't unintentionally acting like a dumb ass to try to gain some clout.
It's actually anyone satisfied with their purchase but believes that the existence of someone who is unsatisfied with their purchase due to massive issues is about as likely as a unicorn or a leprechaun and his pot of gold.
You wouldn't happen to fit that description would you?

starplaya93 said:
Welcome to xda's technical support for the TF. We are here to listen to all of your complaints and issues. If we seem yo not care, it's because we don't. Feel free to continue spamming our forums with all of your unproductive and useless threads. We look forward to your feedback.
Good day
PS. I am not a fanboy. Just a veteran xda user who is getting tired of the load of bull**** on these forums. Feel me?
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Yep ... sums up my sentiments too.
Not a fanboy. I have a couple of small issues with my unit but, to be honest, i have similar issues with laptops, tvs, cameras, phones also. Problem is with sites like this you often start to notice things that the average Joe wouldnt even spot.
What Im getting fed up with is posts telling us that people are returning their units ...
Check out the Apple forums, or the Xoom forums, or the Samsung forums. EVERY item has faults. Maybe technology is moving too fast for production quality to keep up ? who knows ???
Ive found XDA great over the years, and the forums are very helpful. The problem these days is that the forums are getting clogged with people who seem to think everyone is interested to know that they are returning their unit ?? why do we need to know ??? utterly pointless and just a product of the Facebook era probably ....
Seriously ... if you have a question... use XDA. If you have an issue ... use XDA. If you just want to tell us whats going on in your life PLEASE use facebook.
There are lots of people who want help and want support - or people who genuinely have hints and tips. Problem is you cant see their posts as they get lost amongst all the other drivvle people post.
Hopefully you will find a unit that suits you but I assure you that every unit is prone to problems. Show me a forum for any item of any make or model where nobody has found a fault or ptoblem and ill eat my hat.

Also, let's cut this hypocritical nonsense out. If someone posted a thread about how much they loved the TF none of you would be raging over it. But when someone posts a thread about giving up on the TF you're all raging over it and how inappropriate it is.
The statement that these kinds of non-technical posts don't belong on here is laughable when you consider the double standard. If there are going to be threads for people who are throwing themselves all over the TF, there are going to be threads for people to explain their displeasure. Anything else is one sided and biased.
Of course you'd go for that if you were so insecure you couldn't handle someone reading something negative about the TF.

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Also, let's cut this hypocritical nonsense out. If someone posted a thread about how much they loved the TF none of you would be raging over it. But when someone posts a thread about giving up on the TF you're all raging over it and how inappropriate it is.
The statement that these kinds of non-technical posts don't belong on here is laughable when you consider the double standard. If there are going to be threads for people who are throwing themselves all over the TF, there are going to be threads for people to explain their displeasure. Anything else is one sided and biased.
Of course you'd go for that if you were so insecure you couldn't handle someone reading something negative about the TF.
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Im not insecure. far from it.
No problem reading negative stuff. If you check my posts ive had problems.
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We dont need a thread from EVERY person who decides to leave. If you really think that the General forum needs a new thread from every person who has decided to return their TF then you are either very stupid or a genuine Troll.

We dont need a thread from EVERY person who decides to leave. If you really think that the General forum needs a new thread from every person who has decided to return their TF then you are either very stupid or a genuine Troll.
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The number of people who have left is far greater than the number of people who have made threads. I've been watching this forum for a while and I can tell you right now that the number of "I'm leaving" threads that have sprouted are far too little to warrant your kind of response.
You act as if there are twenty per day, all clogging up the main page. This is certainly not the case. This is not a major epidemic.
To think two different people can't make a thread on their experience and why they're leaving is absurd. This isn't four threads discussing the same tip on how to reset the the device. Each story is unique and therefore a separate point of discussion.

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The number of people who have left is far greater than the number of people who have made threads. I've been watching this forum for a while and I can tell you right now that the number of "I'm leaving" threads that have sprouted are far too little to warrant your kind of response.
You act as if there are twenty per day, all clogging up the main page. This is certainly not the case. This is not a major epidemic.
To think two different people can't make a thread on their experience and why they're leaving is absurd. This isn't four threads discussing the same tip on how to reset the the device. Each story is unique and therefore a separate point of discussion.
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more than happy for everyone to post their 'unique' experiences ... in one single thread !!!
Then all those who want to share know exactly where they can find them !!
Everyone else can see 'the wood for the trees' .....

The easiest way is to look for the black sealing tape on both sides of the box. The B60K,newer version, will have black instead of green tape.

The problem that I have is that there are bizzilion threads on here with people *****ing that there Trasformer is a piece of crap. Everytime someone wants to complain they start a new thread which is getting a little out of control.
I have complaits about the Transformer but I did my research first. I knew there were problems with it just like any new product.

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Get ready for the crazy fanboys to troll your thread with messages like "Mine is fine so you must be imagining it" or "You're in the minority" and then finish it up by calling you a troll.
You listed some issues that I forgot about. You're lucky you're taking the easy way out. TD doesn't allow refunds so I was forced to send it in to Asus on my dime. Counting all of the issues this device is plagued with will run you >$100.00 in postage alone to send this POS back.
Now I hear the B6O revision is better and it makes one feel like ****. B6O should have been what the device should have started with. They ripped everyone off.
Apparently this is lost on the fanboys.
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Where do you go to check if you have the B6O revision?
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Serial number on the box or the back lower of the unit.