The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant.
The answers are:
A. Outstanding
B. Above Average
C. Average
D. Below Average
E. Fail.
Thank you for your vote.
You're fast, mate! . Like I said, I use LG Style I, so the size does'nt really matter. No question it is one of the best phones I have.
I'm still casting the same vote, which is above average.
you cant re write history to suit your sad agendas!
you ALL VOTED in the original poll and because you didnt like the results you are now re polling to try and get the results you want!
How deceitful and sad is that
QUOTE:eaglesteve My okay really means it may not be the best phone in the world, but it's still very good. I read post 1 and interpret the meaning differntly from spacecat. Anyway, why not you start a new poll?
I would love to know what kind of deluded person thinks that OKAY = VERY GOOD!
OKAY= OKAY
VERY GOOD = VERY GOOD
OKAY to anyone who is sane and rational means average neither good nor bad.
Eagle Steve Poll ONLY below
If your missus said you were an OKAY SHAG would you think that you were
1. A Great Lover
2.An Average Lover, pleasant enough but not mindlblowing in any sense
3. Crap
I reckon old eagle is pretty average and has to convince himself that this means VERY GOOD!
Enough pissing contest and argument on your thread already. Your post needs no response. Just let the voters tell us their own meaning of okay. For me it means satisfactory and good. For you it may mean not bad but also not good at all. Let the people decide, okay?
eaglesteve said:
Enough pissing contest and argument on your thread already. Your post needs no response. Just let the voters tell us their own meaning of okay. For me it means satisfactory and good. For you it may mean not bad but also not good at all. Let the people decide, okay?
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NAh lets argue about it!
ps I LOVE the way YOU NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION!
Why did YOU VOTE in a poll YOU thought was deceitful? That makes YOU a FOOL doesnt it?
Much better poll. Spacecat, you are a trip.
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Much better poll. Spacecat, you are a trip.
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yeah i know!
spacecat.. get a life. athenalover: who the hell cares what others thinks about the Athena?!? The immense insight and information thats available to us on this forum helps everyone to get their hands on the gear that suits their purpose the best, and to get it working the way it should from the beginning!
That does not include these kinds of threads though.. come on guys read a page on the xda-wiki and learn something for Christs sake ;-)
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spacecat.. get a life. athenalover: who the hell cares what others thinks about the Athena?!? The immense insight and information thats available to us on this forum helps everyone to get their hands on the gear that suits their purpose the best, and to get it working the way it should from the beginning!
That does not include these kinds of threads though.. come on guys read a page on the xda-wiki and learn something for Christs sake ;-)
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for F**k sake mate some people just like to argue, why dont you take your own advice and ignore the thread...........
for ****s sake mate... I just did
"The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant"
I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
Either way I think the consensus has been reached: whether or not the questions in the Spacecat's poll were leading the points brought up in the thread more than answered what needed to be answered. Let's NOT have a recount. Let's just accept that for some people the phone is too big and for some it's fine. Whether of not you choose to wear the Athena in a holster, in your pocket, with a bluetooth headset, wired headset or in a bumbag the fact is it's your property and you're obviously happy using it. I found it a bit big so I got something a bit smaller.
Athenalover, don't try to be a martyr. The poll was never going anywhere anyway: it's on an Athena forum for God's sake so the only people who will be watching the forum will be A) people who own an Athena and B)people who owned one and got rid of it. The people who got rid of it probably found it too big so will argue vehemently that it's too big; the people who still own one and enjoy it obviously DON'T find it too big and will argue vehemently that it's not too big if you use it like they do.
With all due respect this thread seems headed for no-where
like I said
Seems history has been re-written, and this poll shows its just fine or better for most people.
leoni1980 said:
"The reason for this repoll is obvious. As suggested by other posters in a previous similar thread widely thought to be biased, misleading, and deceitful, this poll is meant to get a better picture on how happy folks are with using Athena to make phone related call, taking into accounts its size, the signal reception strenth, the possibility of using bluetooth headset, the contact data maintenance features, the voice calling ability, the video call ability, the VOIP call ability, the ability to use a single SIM for phone as well as data on one single device, and any other phone related considerations you think are relevant"
I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
Either way I think the consensus has been reached: whether or not the questions in the Spacecat's poll were leading the points brought up in the thread more than answered what needed to be answered. Let's NOT have a recount. Let's just accept that for some people the phone is too big and for some it's fine. Whether of not you choose to wear the Athena in a holster, in your pocket, with a bluetooth headset, wired headset or in a bumbag the fact is it's your property and you're obviously happy using it. I found it a bit big so I got something a bit smaller.
Athenalover, don't try to be a martyr. The poll was never going anywhere anyway: it's on an Athena forum for God's sake so the only people who will be watching the forum will be A) people who own an Athena and B)people who owned one and got rid of it. The people who got rid of it probably found it too big so will argue vehemently that it's too big; the people who still own one and enjoy it obviously DON'T find it too big and will argue vehemently that it's not too big if you use it like they do.
With all due respect this thread seems headed for no-where
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I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.
leoni1980 said:
I think this thread is a bit redundant, and your attempt at being unbiased fails on the basis that the only negative you mention in your salutation is 'its size' - which does not really hold sway against the myriad positve features you then go on to describe. The fact that your name is Athenalover doesn't help either.
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lol Guess what ? Don't agree. =P I for one voted AND THEN read the posts. And yes, the questions really are, this time around, in no way tendencious.
And well, one can only observe that the votes seem to go a very different way...
Even if this thread doesn't turn into a pugila, I say let's see where it goes.
For Spacecat and Leoni especially, I would like to show you that Athena is not in the same category of portability as eee PC. It is no difference carrying this or a smaller phone.
See this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1835826#post1835826
As some other users said I own the LG Style-i so I carry my Athena hanging in my belt... so the size is not a problem for me neither.
In this condition I consider athena Above the Average as phone.
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I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.
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if you don't like his interpretation don't get wound up about it. I made my points quite eloquently, i am fair in my points, being that i owned an athena and don't have a reason to either hate it or love it. To say that it is absurd to find bluetooth inconvenient is a bit of a sweeping statement since some people prefer to use a handset and not have microwaves flowing through their heads all day. I didn't know if i'd like the size of the athena and i was perfectly aware of its features however it was a contract upgrade and cost very little so i thought i'd like to try it. I only carried it in a bag when i had a bluetooth keyboard, often i would carry it in my pocket though at all times i was aware of it and concerned about breaking the screen. Despite this i happen to prefer using a bag to a holster given the option.. Please don't compare me with other people just because i'm not 100 percent in the athena fan club, i make fair assessments based on my personal experience, you however seem like an illiterate and narrow-minded wally (forgive me if i am mistaken). Hopefully some of the contributors to this thread have a little more common sense and fair mindedness. If they don't then what's the point of this poll and this thread generally?
athenalover said:
I don't deny that I just love this device. I hope you allow me that freedom
My post #1 has only listed examples of phone related features, but also said that you should take into account anything else that you consider are relevant at the end of my sentense. Can't you read?
If it seems headed for no-where, you must be blind. I think it gives those people who voted okay (the meaning of which is under dispute) a chance to tell us what their intention is, rather than taking all the bull**** interpretation from you and spacecat.
The only "consensus" is between you and spacecat. Nobody else is willing to accept the crap interpretation of result he claims the poll shows.
The only negative you can think of is the size and the absurd claim that it can only be carried with a back pack, and your adsurd claim that bluetooth is not practical. If you do not know how to properly use a device, don't **** on it, but examine your own self and attitude.
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if you don't like his interpretation don't get wound up about it. I made my points quite eloquently, i am fair in my points, being that i owned an athena and don't have a reason to either hate it or love it. To say that it is absurd to find bluetooth inconvenient is a bit of a sweeping statement since some people prefer to use a handset and not have microwaves flowing through their heads all day. I didn't know if i'd like the size of the athena and i was perfectly aware of its features however it was a contract upgrade and cost very little so i thought i'd like to try it. I only carried it in a bag when i had a bluetooth keyboard, often i would carry it in my pocket though at all times i was aware of it and concerned about breaking the screen. Despite this i happen to prefer using a bag to a holster given the option.. Please don't compare me with other people just because i'm not 100 percent in the athena fan club, i make fair assessments based on my personal experience, you however seem like an illiterate and narrow-minded wally (forgive me if i am mistaken). Hopefully some of the contributors to this thread have a little more common sense and fair mindedness. If they don't then what's the point of this poll and this thread generally?
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Dear XDA members,
I am sure you have all observed the slew of attacks that are being perpetuated against the HD2 specifically, and the Windows Mobile OS generally. You have all read & responded to these people and might have observed the peculiar bands of Senior/Junior Members -whose too RECENT joining date is a clue- simultaneously bashing the HD2 and praising the iPhone, thwarting our delight in buying and using HTC's fine products which we have all known, used, and enjoyed for nearly a decade now.
You have all noticed this sudden but uniform "flame war", I know because I have; and you have all observed Genuine XDA members being rallied and engaged in mass, uniform, and disdainful complaining about WinMo and HTC. While it is our reasonable right to address HTC & MS with our problems, we must conduct our messages (and ourselves) in a civilized manner.
I only hope to remind you to be careful and not fall into this trap.
There IS a smear-campaign going on against both the HD2 and Windows Mobile. In truth, I am aware of several people whose primary profession is to perpetuate Internet propaganda, especially in active forums, blogs, and review sites. These individuals sell their services to companies & other individuals alike. They steal from us our brotherly spirit with their flame wars, and they feed us false information about exaggerated faults in our expensive gadgets.
In reality, all mobile devices have their faults; whether it be an unfriendly UI, lack of basic but important functionalities, erratic behaviors, etc...
iPhones, Androids, Nokias, and Winows Phones... we have all used them; we have each decided which best suits our needs, and we have each purchased what we judged best. Let no one criticize your choice or undermine your ability to decide for yourself! We are not here to measure which phone is best, we are here because we have purchased the best, and still, wish to improve it or customize it or even re-invent it!
Cheers
well i switched from the iphone to the hd2 and i don't think i'll be switching back anytime soon unless iphone fixes its major flaws...
do you know that iphone doesn't support multi-tasking?
what a deal breaker!
jeRrRKKKK said:
well i switched from the iphone to the hd2 and i don't think i'll be switching back anytime soon unless iphone fixes its major flaws...
do you know that iphone doesn't support multi-tasking?
what a deal breaker!
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LOL... I know mate, I gave mine away as a gift after one month! Its not for me at all and my personal, unquestionable preference is WinMo. I travel lots and need a Business phone: auther & edit documents, presentations, do my spreadsheet calculations, cut & paste accross running apps, make PDFs and fax them away, access my exchange email, use my digital certificates for security, etc... For me, personally, the iPhone was a delightful multimedia experience, but it just doesn't cut it!
shirreer said:
Dear XDA members,
I am sure you have all observed the slew of attacks that are being perpetuated against the HD2 specifically, and the Windows Mobile OS generally. You have all read & responded to these people and might have observed the peculiar bands of Senior/Junior Members -whose too RECENT joining date is a clue- simultaneously bashing the HD2 and praising the iPhone, thwarting our delight in buying and using HTC's fine products which we have all known, used, and enjoyed for nearly a decade now.
You have all noticed this sudden but uniform "flame war", I know because I have; and you have all observed Genuine XDA members being rallied and engaged in mass, uniform, and disdainful complaining about WinMo and HTC. While it is our reasonable right to address HTC & MS with our problems, we must conduct our messages (and ourselves) in a civilized manner.
I only hope to remind you to be careful and not fall into this trap.
There IS a smear-campaign going on against both the HD2 and Windows Mobile. In truth, I am aware of several people whose primary profession is to perpetuate Internet propaganda, especially in active forums, blogs, and review sites. These individuals sell their services to companies & other individuals alike. They steal from us our brotherly spirit with their flame wars, and they feed us false information about exaggerated faults in our expensive gadgets.
In reality, all mobile devices have their faults; whether it be an unfriendly UI, lack of basic but important functionalities, erratic behaviors, etc...
iPhones, Androids, Nokias, and Winows Phones... we have all used them; we have each decided which best suits our needs, and we have each purchased what we judged best. Let no one criticize your choice or undermine your ability to decide for yourself! We are not here to measure which phone is best, we are here because we have purchased the best, and still, wish to improve it or customize it or even re-invent it!
Cheers
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Mate you have too much free time on your hands to be writing a post of this nature.
Here Here!
Keep on looking behind you guys....they're coming. Keep those firewalls up to date and lock your windows!
Oh and don't forget your medication.
Regardless of whether it's a smear campaign or not, there is clearly a problem with trolls.
I don't believe that's a campaign, but the recent trend of bashing Windows Mobile is alarming.
No OS and no phone is perfect, yet only Windows Mobile gets bashed all the time - though others clearly have at least as many flaws.
That's really saddening.
The amount of "I sold my HD2" threads, that typically contain only FUD and don't try to help anyone, is alarming as well.
Regardless of whether this is a campaign or not, someone should really do something against this trend and the trolls, because it really hurts the quality of the forum.
Wow. You know it's quite scary to see what happens to people that spend too much time on a forum!! This isn't such an intense matter. It's supposed to be a forum for people to ask for help or If they chose so, to complain about or praise their damn phones. At the end of the day it's only a damn phone. If some "senior" members want to make it an exclusive "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" forum, then why not create an exclusive area for you all to j££zz over your devices.
The majority of people here are normal guys who have a life and only come here to get help for their phone or let off some steam if what they spent 500 quid on turns out to be crap!
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Wow. You know it's quite scary to see what happens to people that spend too much time on a forum!! This isn't such an intense matter. It's supposed to be a forum for people to ask for help or If they chose so, to complain about or praise their damn phones. At the end of the day it's only a damn phone. If some "senior" members want to make it an exclusive "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" forum, then why not create an exclusive area for you all to j££zz over your devices.
The majority of people here are normal guys who have a life and only come here to get help for their phone or let off some steam if what they spent 500 quid on turns out to be crap!
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+100 for you sir
I know I'm new here and basically just started posting but I have heavily modified my HD2. I'm in the usa and imported my HD2 from the UK. I dont even miss 3G...I just connect to WiFi everywhere I go anyway. I have had every iPhone since it came out in 07. 2G, 3G and finally the 3Gs. I switched to the HD2 because I wanted what the iPhone lacked. I even Jailbroke all my iphones and they still were not as good as this phone is. The iphone did a whole lot more once jailbroken; ie.. Theme, Tether, Multitask but it still wasnt enough for me. The iphone is completely 1 dimensional! I liked it for what it was, but I love this phone! and using this site made it that much better. So a huge shout out to all you devs out there! Bottom line is the iPhone just sucks and it is a Yuppy phone, everyone has one and they think they are sooooo cool that they have one. The HD2 is the best phone on the market. Hands down.
I've been using these things for years... and the more popular these devices get, the more accessible they are to the general public, the more people demand help or think they have a right to it...with trivial little things!
The iPhone is just for those sort of people. Thinking that they have an iPhone (which, OMG is a SMRT PHONE, I R A GEEK NOW! I R COOL) because it's what is 'trendy'. Not becuase they will even use a quarter of it's functionality!!!
I have watched the questions on these forums get dumber and dumber. They say there is no such thing as a dumb question... I really beg to differ. I see some doozies on here of late to the point when I have to convince myself that they are trolling....or i'll loose faith in humanity.
I'll stop here as I don't think I have a coherent argument or statement.
Thankyou for indulging me in my rant.
I'm going to go find some more iPhone zombies and make them jealous of my HD2....
I assume you are not "general public" but some deity with divine right to own a WM device over others?
hawrai68 said:
Wow. You know it's quite scary to see what happens to people that spend too much time on a forum!! This isn't such an intense matter. It's supposed to be a forum for people to ask for help or If they chose so, to complain about or praise their damn phones. At the end of the day it's only a damn phone. If some "senior" members want to make it an exclusive "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" forum, then why not create an exclusive area for you all to j££zz over your devices.
The majority of people here are normal guys who have a life and only come here to get help for their phone or let off some steam if what they spent 500 quid on turns out to be crap!
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Awesome! *thumbs up*
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I assume you are not "general public" but some deity with divine right to own a WM device over others?
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LoL. You betcha, sunshine.
I'm gonna take EVERY oppertunity to laud it over anyone, cause my phone choice totally defines me and proves my worth to others, don't ya know...
Sheesh....
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cause my phone choice totally defines me and proves my worth to others, don't ya know...
Sheesh....
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hmmm scary. I would have thought there were slightly better ways to prove your worth to others than a mobile, but each to their own hey.
isn't this the same as http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5121561
hawrai68 said:
Wow. You know it's quite scary to see what happens to people that spend too much time on a forum!! This isn't such an intense matter. It's supposed to be a forum for people to ask for help or If they chose so, to complain about or praise their damn phones. At the end of the day it's only a damn phone. If some "senior" members want to make it an exclusive "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" forum, then why not create an exclusive area for you all to j££zz over your devices.
The majority of people here are normal guys who have a life and only come here to get help for their phone or let off some steam if what they spent 500 quid on turns out to be crap!
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VERY VERY wrong.
1) It happens almost never that someone creates a thread called "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it" though those people are definitely the majority here.
2) Why should there be an exclusive forum for people who love their devices, when people like you are allowed to create countless threads bashing those devices?
3) No, it's not okay to let off steam, unless it's within a thread that exists for this purpose (note: there should be max. one such thread!). Opening threads for things that have already been posted is not allowed, but that's exactly what you are doing!
So what's the conclusion?
1) We, who like our devices, don't go to iPhone forums and tell people that we hate iPhones. We don't because doing so is sick. However, lots of people in this forum come here to tell everyone how much they hate their HD2s. There's clearly something wrong!
2) Countless threads are created saying "I hate my HD2", though the haters clearly are a minority. What does that tell us about those people? Apart from the fact that it's not allowed to create new threads for things that are already there, we must also ask ourselves why people who like their devices don't feel the need to tell everyone, but people who don't like them must tell everyone. To me, that's a clear sign that there's something wrong with those haters or that there are some trolls here.
3) Threads that are created solely for the purpose of "letting steam off" do not help anyone! Of course people must be informed about flaws, BUT it doesn't help anyone when lots of threads are created for the sake of complaining about flaws that are already well-known. A thread must either inform or seek for a solution, threads created only in order to complain about or bash something are useless and hurt the quality of the forum.
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hmmm scary. I would have thought there were slightly better ways to prove your worth to others than a mobile, but each to their own hey.
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Methinks your sarcasm detector needs adjusting, matey.
maati said:
VERY VERY wrong.
1) It happens almost never that someone creates a thread called "I love windows mobile and want to make love to it".
2) Why should there be an exclusive forum for people who love their devices, when people like you are allowed to create countless threads bashing those devices?
3) No, it's not okay to let off steam, unless it's within a thread that exists for this purpose (note: there should be max. one such thread!). Opening threads for things that have already been posted is not allowed, but that's exactly what you are doing!
So what's the conclusion?
1) We, who like our devices, don't go to iPhone forums and tell people that we hate iPhones. We don't because doing so is sick. However, lots of people in this forum come here to tell everyone how much they hate their HD2s. There's clearly something wrong!
2) Countless threads are created saying "I hate my HD2", though the haters clearly are a minority. What does that tell us about those people? Apart from the fact that it's not allowed to create new threads for things that are already there, we must also ask ourselves why people who like their devices don't feel the need to tell everyone, but people who don't like them must tell everyone. To me, that's a clear sign that there's something wrong with those haters or that there are some trolls here.
3) Threads that are created solely for the purpose of "letting steam off" do not help anyone! Of course people must be informed about flaws, BUT it doesn't help anyone when lots of threads are created for the sake of complaining about flaws that are already well-known. A thread must either inform or seek for a solution, threads created only in order to complain about or bash something are useless and hurt the quality of the forum.
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Doh! I wouldn't go to an iPhone forum slating the iPhone because I don't own one. I do, however, own an HD2......and therefore come to this forum. Yet another lame argument!
No, your argument is lame! I had an iPhone and I hated it, but I didn't go to iPhone forums telling people that I hate it, because only psychologically disturbed people like you do so.
And what is even worse, telling people how much you hate your HD2 has been the ONLY thing you've been doing since you registered to this forum. This is really sick.
My argument is totally valid. It's just you not being smart enough to understand it.
mikechannon said:
"In general "I hate my phone" threads neither contribute soluactions to problems nor do they seek answers to problems in a calm and reasoned way.
These forums are for the giving and receiving of information that assists users to get the best from their device - it is not a vehicle for "sounding-off" about your phone.
This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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Ok .... so, the fact that we know HTC pay attention to people gripes, comments and compliments on these forums.... if that had been a "we love HTC thread" would that have been closed?
I agree being rude and obnoxious are very good reasons but ... why not censor the very few posts related to it. Why close the general dissastifaction with what appears to be a typical HTC release. Without a place to talk about the general failure of HTC, how can the majority of people learn? How can those prospective customers be aware of the challenges they need to overcome to turn a rubbish device (out of the factory) into a great device (after XDA and chefs)?
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And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
The one thing i've always used in years is the xda forums and some of that i haven't even owned a HTC device. Like it or not, most people here have invested a lot of hard earned cash (or will over the next 18/24 months) and that will naturaly attract an emotional value - hence some anger when something like this doesn't work. The fact there was so much feeling in that thread should indicate the level of "emotion" about it and the incensed feeling they have about the amount people feel they have spent, money and time, on a device they are so unhappy about. Maybe if you guys created a "vent here thread" you might get to allow people to rant AND get usefull threads - heck, even HTC might read the "vent here thread!" and take note?
I'm so worried after reading todays threads in particular, about ordering mine earlier today but sadly nothing else that supports FULL exchange meets my requirements. I know my consumer rights and will use them to the full should I need to but I hope not it does have so many great points.
Monty Burns said:
Ok .... so, the fact that we know HTC pay attention to people gripes, comments and compliments on these forums....
We don't know that for sure. There are many on here who would disagree, saying that for them, if HTC were listening, then perceived problems would have been resolved quicker.
I agree being rude and obnoxious are very good reasons but ... why not censor the very few posts related to it. Why close the general dissatisfaction with what appears to be a typical HTC release. Without a place to talk about the general failure of HTC, how can the majority of people learn? How can those prospective customers be aware of the challenges they need to overcome to turn a rubbish device (out of the factory) into a great device (after XDA and chefs)?
Problem with this argument is that there are some on here who don't wish to face those challenges, which is fair enough. However what they do is to gripe about it and not help themselves, even when you point them in the right direction.
And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
Not sure where you get that from. Please provide evidence of this or retract.
The one thing i've always used in years is the xda forums and some of that i haven't even owned a HTC device. Like it or not, most people here have invested a lot of hard earned cash (or will over the next 18/24 months) and that will naturally attract an emotional value - hence some anger when something like this doesn't work. The fact there was so much feeling in that thread should indicate the level of "emotion" about it and the incensed feeling they have about the amount people feel they have spent, money and time, on a device they are so unhappy about. Maybe if you guys created a "vent here thread" you might get to allow people to rant AND get useful threads - heck, even HTC might read the "vent here thread!" and take note?
Any "ranting", as you put it, should be made direct to HTC. XDA-Developers is exactly that; a developers site with a lot of interested non-developers in it. Its not the place to take out your frustrations against a manufacturer.
Re your point on hard earned cash being spent, I can't disagree with this. However ask these people how many of them went out and gave the device a really good test drive and an assessment of whether it would meet their needs or not and you will be silenced by the response.
I'm so worried after reading todays threads in particular, about ordering mine earlier today but sadly nothing else that supports FULL exchange meets my requirements. I know my consumer rights and will use them to the full should I need to but I hope not it does have so many great points.
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If you have doubts about this device then don't buy it. You will be severely disappointed. If you have not taken time out to test drive one before putting your order in then, with respect, more fool you.
Finally, moderators on here bend over backwards NOT to close threads or be seen as censoring debate. However we have to keep a balance and if, in our judgment, a thread is getting out of hand or no longer has any value nor serve any useful purpose then it will be closed.
All the best,
WB
as you've quoted inside of quotes you have made it really dificult for me to "quote" back - nice job! (although i suspect not deliberate).
"We don't know that for sure. There are many on here who would disagree, saying that for them, if HTC were listening, then perceived problems would have been resolved quicker."
Yeah ok. So the very big majority of Winmob market phones are produced by HTC, this site is dedicated to HTC (and historicaly Winmob).... do you REALLY think they don't read these forums? Really? Honestly? Are you sure?
"Problem with this argument is that there are some on here who don't wish to face those challenges, which is fair enough. However what they do is to gripe about it and not help themselves, even when you point them in the right direction."
I agree. There are SOME who want to gripe. There are a ship load more who want to make a device work but can't, no matter the support they get from the community - random users suffering from the SMS bug for example? The very fact most of these people have googled/have knowledge of these forums, means that they have at least gone to some effort to resolve an issue. So yes some, but a VERY small number. So, how can they air the frustrations they have? where? Maybe the most expansive and read HTC forums... thats a good place to start!
"And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
Not sure where you get that from. Please provide evidence of this or retract."
*sigh* .... ok .... i'll come back to this but, i did quote, if you really want me to link to a thread closed in the past 10 minutes other than i already quoted your mod. I will.
"Any "ranting", as you put it, should be made direct to HTC. XDA-Developers is exactly that; a developers site with a lot of interested non-developers in it. Its not the place to take out your frustrations against a manufacturer."
Yeah ya know, it was a developers site years ago.... its not any more and hasn't been for a long time. Its a cookers and users site now. If you still think HTC don't read this forum then .... The sites success over the years can also be its greatest strength if you let it.
Now this isn't a problem of the site itself, more one with many reviews and fanboys of ALL phones, Iphone, HTC, Nokia....
"Re your point on hard earned cash being spent, I can't disagree with this. However ask these people how many of them went out and gave the device a really good test drive and an assessment of whether it would meet their needs or not and you will be silenced by the response."
Trying out a phone is a shop is a VERY diferent affair to OWNING one. Any person will know that, sadly though, many of us have to go by the reviews and forum comments that are available and try to filter out what may or may not be fanboy. Magazines, forum posts, personal reviews, blogs are all individual and very personal. Saying that someone should have reviewed more is simply not fair. Its impossible. Try asking your local O2 shop if you can take a phone away for a couple of weeks to try?
Hold on .... yes you can!!!! And that was the point of the last thread that got closed! Your fellow mod closed a thread which wasn't actually personal to anyone and (from a personal fed up with moaners point of view) I was trying educate people who purchased there phones in the UK that they had a bucket load of rights. If they are not happy, and it was purchased from the uk, then please "turn it in!" and return it.
Now from my pov, i'm a londoner (can you tell?) but i work all over the world. Currently im in Durban (yeah I was there at the test match! and met the England team) but out here they dont have the HD 2 so, I have to go on the reviews etc. Some people out here will spend near on £600 getting it imported from Expansys UK (ummm .... co.za) and other sites.
also..
Can i provide evidence? No. It was not made public so all I can assume is that if I PM a mod, things will be closed:
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"In general "I hate my phone" threads neither contribute soluactions to problems nor do they seek answers to problems in a calm and reasoned way.
These forums are for the giving and receiving of information that assists users to get the best from their device - it is not a vehicle for "sounding-off" about your phone.
This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
(In addition - this thread has been reported by Members)
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How can i provide more evidence than that? I'm not privvy to your private messages. The previous line though backs up my "love HTC or go away" argument to a small extent:
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This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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I really think you guys, having helped, actually almost pushed HTC to where they are should now use your position and be .... responsible(? maybe a bit strong)) ... finaly get off the HTC only band wagon. Let them know that the stunning products they produce will no longer be accepted only 90% complete.
Ok. Lets be realistic. I ain't gona change your minds on anything and I don't want you to rebel against HTC as they make amazing hardware but, at least, in the position you have got.... maybe create a "if your gone B*&% and let off steam, do it in this thread?" thread? Maybe, just maybe there will be a common thread in it that HTC will finaly get to grips with .....?
Oh, and i've had a tytn, tytn 2 and having had both of those replaced under warranty i thought... no! Poke it! And had a tosh g900 when most people couldnt even spell 800 res screens and then foolishly went to a TD. That was refunded quickly under sales of goods act. Have an Acer M900 but due to the fact i'm living in south africa and i purchased that under my company contract, i now need to replace next week when im back in the UK. I was looking at a Milestone but the exchange support is rubbish at best. So, I have a week to try the HD2 or return it as not fit for purpose.... I do however, really want it to work!
And one final word.... my best winmob device without a device? Well two actually .... the Samsung Omnia and the baggage reconciliation devices i'm working with at the new Durban airport (what??? its not just a PHONE O/S!!!!??)
My opinion.
Here's an example of 2 threads.
MY HD2 IS THE WORST FONE ON THE PLANIT
I bought this fone for £x000 dollars and it should do everything I can ever imagine, rite out of the out of the box. I am disgusted that HTC expect ME to fix their problems.
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Hi everyone.
I tried to send a text message to my friends earlier and it's stuck in my outbox. Does anyone know why this might be? Does anyone have a suggestion as to what I should do about it?
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This forum is not about defending or slating any particular device. It is meant for users to get together and talk about ways to make the experience better. This forum is not responsible for the fact that some hardware that comes out of some factory and gets some software installed on it is not 100% perfect!
Now for 1 moment, can we please put aside arguments regarding the device and talk about the forum? Which of the above 2 threads is the most constructive?
Thank you.
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Here's an example of 2 threads.
This forum is not about defending or slating any particular device. It is meant for users to get together and talk about ways to make the experience better. This forum is not responsible for the fact that some hardware that comes out of some factory and gets some software installed on it is not 100% perfect!
Now for 1 moment, can we please put aside arguments regarding the device and talk about the forum? Which of the above 2 threads is the most constructive?
Thank you.
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More to the point, what is the point of leaving the first example open? At the very least there should be a dedicated section for those unhelpful posts (as [★] suggested yesterday) but I think they should just be closed as they're so worthless.
Do you work for a newspaper?
Both comments are usefull. Just because you don't see the use in both doesn't mean they are not usefull. Does that mean 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms so they should be ignored of Fred Smiths Condom appreciation website?
(sorry thats a really poor example but its 2am here in SA and i've been on the beer and Eve-online and films for a few hours )
Very fair play to you for putting forward an argument (non abusive as I would hope) and maybe catch up tomorrow.
Monty,
You are a Londoner eh? I should have known. You lot are nothing but trouble makers!
First off sorry about the quotes within quotes; didn't realise it stopped you from quoting back. Now that I do...
OK, lots in your post that I could come back on in detail but I won't because I'm the sort of chap that likes going forwards, not looking back in self pity or whatever.
The one thing that you have suggested, and you are not the first, is that we think on somewhere where people can let off steam WITHOUT cluttering up the forums. As you know there is some work going on as to how best we can restructure the place to make it better. Can I ask you to be a little patient while all this gets worked through.
In the meantime, think on the following:
- Help us to support people who need and want help and please be robust about those that don't but just fancy a moan and upsetting people on here without ever really wanting to seek help or to help themselves (the word Troll comes to mind).
- If you look at the Development & Hacking forums you will see that Development is stronger than ever and does not change what this place is all about. The work of the chefs is recognised and appreciated, and you can argue that is also development so 2-0 there.
- Lets all try to be a little adult, constructive and get along a little. I can tell you that, from a Mods perspective, we really want to be doing other things to make people's lives on here better rather than spending time closing threads down because people just can't have a little respect for each other. I often wonder whether anyone ever reads the forum rules.
Finally thank you for keeping on the straight and narrow re this thread and not going off the rails and getting it closed.
WB
jakem said:
More to the point, what is the point of leaving the first example open? At the very least there should be a dedicated section for those unhelpful posts (as [★] suggested yesterday) but I think they should just be closed as they're so worthless.
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I totally agree mate (hence the support in said thread raised by [★] yesterday.)
I find this site a ridiculously valuable source of information when I need help with my phone, and I find it disheartening to have to wade through complaint after complaint just in order to get to constructive discussions.
If I wanted to live in troll city, I'd pack all my stuff into boxes; call a removals company; do some browsing of estate agents and property letting agents; check the reputation of the areas I was interested in and then guess what.... MOVE TO TROLL CITY!
I'm a placid guy generally, but some posts really make me struggle to just not tell the OP where to go.
+9999999 recurring to real constructive users of this site.
-9999999 recurring to trolls (and we know you don't think you're a troll, but you are.)
Monty Burns said:
Do you work for a newspaper?
Both comments are usefull. Just because you don't see the use in both doesn't mean they are not usefull. Does that mean 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms so they should be ignored of Fred Smiths Condom appreciation website?
(sorry thats a really poor example but its 2am here in SA and i've been on the beer and Eve-online and films for a few hours )
Very fair play to you for putting forward an argument (non abusive as I would hope) and maybe catch up tomorrow.
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If 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms then they should definitely speak their mind. They would be wrong though to go to a forum that supports uses of brand x condoms and slate them. A support forum is for support.
OK first, no idea who Martin is. (Its Monty spelt the wrong way - doh)
Second, guys sounds like we might have a good conversation on the values of "to HTC or not HTC" although I might be on the wrong side, despite just spending a bucket load of fivers on a HT2.
Please, keep it clean and (well funny if you can't) but not personaly insulting. Everyone on a keyboard is a human being!
Be safe, have fun!
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OK first, no idea who Martin is.
Second, guys sounds like we might have a good conversation on the values of "to HTC or not HTC" although I might be on the wrong side, despite just spending a bucket load of fivers on a HT2.
Please, keep it clean and (well funny if you can't) but not personaly insulting. Everyone on a keyboard is a human being!
Be safe, have fun!
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I agree with that totally, but I do think this thread should be moved to a general area. Let's face it, it's hardly HD2 specific now is it!
It would be nice to see everyone's thoughts on this, rather than just the ones with The God Phone. (Just kidding - that was meant to incite trouble )
To be fair, those "I hate this phone" ranting type threads really do spiral into a hate fest or at least the few I've seen. If a topic is interesting and you comment on it, and go back later to see how it develops when all that is left is just insults, it has no use to most if not all.
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I agree with that totally, but I do think this thread should be moved to a general area. Let's face it, it's hardly HD2 specific now is it!
It would be nice to see everyone's thoughts on this, rather than just the ones with The God Phone. (Just kidding - that was meant to incite trouble )
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Argh! I'm not a god!!! (although I think I am, with my size 9 shoes... bow down before me!)
Seriously, maybe a good idea. I guess in an odd way this may complement (orb3000s?) the other thread vote about should it be HTC or not site? We don't know you server statistics of course but, we can hope that we can get to the stage where we can give our opinion on HTC honestly..... ( i wanted to deleted that and not type it as its not fair, i think we can, mostly ).
In my view its like a really cool manopoly. The games fun to play for almost all of us (i may/may not include myself in that after 2 years HTC abscense on next Friday) but for some it really sucks cos they keep losing.
I would think that moving it to an adult discussion of the real benefits as us users see if you become "open" but, we have no idea of the server costs... only you guys do.
(you do of course know that pressure will mount and mount and mount with regards to non-HTC phones. Your not silly Samsung, LG, Acer.... to name but a few know that the serious money is in smart phones in the next few years, not feature. In Slough o2 test 150-200 meg 4g phones a couple of weeks ago )
From what I understand, this is a developers forum. i.e. look to the potential rather than to the faults as is.
There are far too many distracting threads along the lines of "the virtual keyboard is killing me", "my wife left me because of the battery life", "the pink camera issue made me kill my neighbour". These type of threads may have valid points but they are all a bit melodramatic and really don't serve the purpose of the forum very well as they fan the flames of discontent rather that rise to the can-fix mindset. Despite what the trolls (for want of a better word) might like to say, this isn't a fanboi site, it's for those who realise a problem and want to solve it, simply just improve things, or just want to tweak things just because they can! I'm sure most of us here are all too aware of the shortcomings of Windows mobile software, just as we recognise the potential & strengths of this platform.
Speaking as a self-confessed technophile I will admit to spending an not inconsiderable amount of hard-earned money on utter crap i.e. gadgets that promised so much, yet delivered so little or were simply just badly executed. The HD2 is non of these, it's a stunning piece of design & engineering. It's not perfect, for example: the sharp edges of the camera lens annoy me a little, but it doesn't induce a desire in me to vent my spleen to the world.
I'm optimistic, I hope to survive longer than my HD2 and maybe via this forum HTC will hear my concern for this non-life threatening design flaw and engineer a more ergonomic lens cover for the next mobile phone I get. If they don't, it will undoubtedly leave a microscopic void in my life, but I'm strong enough to move on and no doubt the HTC designers will burn in hell for their tardiness.
xda-developers is what is says and is a great community that helps us get the best from these intriguing phones, so please diss the efforts of those who contribute and recognise that enthusiasm is a far better fertilizer for technology than manure.
Besides that, looking at my HD2 I've just noticed that it's going to be wet & windy at "My Location" tomorrow. That's fifty miles away and I'm not even going there, so it's a win for me!
I sent several complaints to htc and got response from different reps.
Rep#1
"Thank you for your reply. You are correct that the Sprint EVO 4G is locked in at 30FPS. Since the HTC EVO 4G employs a unique HDMI output to deliver video in HD quality to an external display, the hardware graphics driver interface on the HTC EVO 4G uses significant resources for the HDMI output and therefore displays graphics at 30 frames per second on the integrated display. This is a hardware, and not a software, limitation. It’s important to keep in mind that content including most movies and television, are created to run at between 24 and 30 frames per second. The 30FPS is a hardware limitation. This should not present a major issue for most Android applications; however, the customer may have some issues with some 2D or 3D applications. We have also found that some games may be impacted by this limitation.
The device has been locked at 30 FPS due to enhance overall performance in the device. By lowering the FPS of the device the CPU works less. This increases the battery life of the device. There may be third party options available to remove this limitation; however HTC does not condone the use of, support the use of, or offer technical assistance with regard to these third party solutions. I do apologize for any inconvenience you may have experience."
Rep#2
"Thank you for taking the time to contact HTC America Technical Support via E-Mail with your comment regarding the fps of your HTC EVO 4G. I understand how important it is for your device to function to your specifications and I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you.
We are investigating the viability of claims that the limitation of 30fps can be overcome by software changes. As soon as we finish our investigations, HTC will announce its findings. There may be third party options available to remove this limitation; however HTC does not condone the use of, support the use of, or offer technical assistance with regard to these third party solutions.
If we can be of further assistance with setting up your sync program, please don’t hesitate to call 1.866.449.8358. We are available Sunday through Saturday 6:00 a.m. until 1:00."
Its htc really trying to find a solution or are they just full of it?
What do you think?
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Please.... This belongs in the general section.
really really wish mods would temp ban people for this
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Please.... This belongs in the general section.
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really really wish mods would temp ban people for this
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i feel like this is a development issue thats is why it was posted here so if you are not a moderator and cant help me move it to general. keep it to your self. im just trying to input some info for all the evo owners that are in question by this. " if im worng by putting this here this can always be deleted and posted somewhere else.
Yeah but if you actually read other sections on this site your responses have already been given to other people by HTC. These are not new, we have heard them before. This really should have been rolled in to the other pre existing threads. Why would you not post it in the general section and ask if it should be placed in development? I think I know the answer to my own question....
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Darn, I was hoping it was something new from them.
Wow! People really need to chill out. Why is everyone so easily bent out of shape recently here and at ppcgeeks?
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Wow! People really need to chill out. Why is everyone so easily bent out of shape recently here and at ppcgeeks?
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Do you really want to know?
Well this is a development forum. There is a slightly higher standard here and if you can't follow some basic rules then you have no business posting here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695844
Those are pretty clear to me. Pretty easy to follow for anyone with a brain stem. No one expects perfection or you to write source code the fastest but at least read the ****ing directions and follow the basic rules of our home.
This had no business getting posted in development, it has no business in general when there is a massive 600 something or whatever posts on this exact same crap. Not to mention multiple other scattered threads.
Best part is there is already a hacked solution to this with working camera / everything else working, that at least for now is more than enough. So anyone that really gives a **** already has the fix and this isn't even an issue.
Seriously!!! You ****ing losers need to calm down. You act like its ****ing blasphemy that this poor guy posted in the wrong place. What? Did you waste 10 seconds of your worthless lives reading his post and find something you already knew. Congrats!! If you dont have the power to move it then **** off. So much of this lately.
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Seriously!!! You ****ing losers need to calm down. You act like its ****ing blasphemy that this poor guy posted in the wrong place. What? Did you waste 10 seconds of your worthless lives reading his post and find something you already knew. Congrats!! If you dont have the power to move it then **** off. So much of this lately.
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I spent 20 seconds Not wasted mind you I knew what was going to ensue after I read the OP's post.
Each and everyone one of you have done this when you are new to a board. You only learn from experience. We were all NOOBS at one point. We didn't graduate to Geekdom overnight.
When I first came on here I was treated like a red-headed step child for not understanding how to ROOT. I read and read and eventually learned how on my own mostly due to the RUDE responses from some of the people who thought they were entitled to treat newcomers like 3rd rate citizens.
I have given my share of smart assed remarks and have called people out on some things. But when someone new posts a relink or asks a question that they could have searched for I just help because its no BIG deal.
Yes you can say they are lazy or perhaps you might have to consider they are new and aren't well versed in searching. Who really knows. If they are repeat offenders then call them out otherwise its just a simple post that anyone can choose to ignore and not contribute.
It's all good..
I don't think tech knowledge is the issue here and in other threads. I think the issue is forum etiquette. And on a tech/informative forum, the standard should be a little higher than that of a lounge type forum. People should have informative titles (which this one does). Posts should go in the relevant thread (possibly an issue on this one). Searches should be made before making any new thread. And content should be relevant, accurate, and informative (I'm guilty of that first with regards to this post). It can be a delicate balance between over regulation and under regulation. The forums with the highest signal to noise ratio tend to be over regulated but there is such a thing as going too far and pissing off your membership.
There is one forum that I am a member of and have been so for about five years now and I have not made one single post. I am a very outspoken person and I still have not posted there. Why? Because I haven't had anything extremely relevant that will bring knowledge to any of the threads I've seen there and if your post doesn't "bring the tech", you're banned. That's possibly taking it too far but I can say that it is one of the most well behaved, most informative forums I have ever seen. If I just want to hang out and shoot the breeze, I can do so on other forums. So, I just linger and watch, as newbs should do, until I have something to add.
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There is one forum that I am a member of and have been so for about five years now and I have not made one single post. I am a very outspoken person and I still have not posted there. Why? Because I haven't had anything extremely relevant that will bring knowledge to any of the threads I've seen there and if your post doesn't "bring the tech", you're banned. That's possibly taking it too far but I can say that it is one of the most well behaved, most informative forums I have ever seen. If I just want to hang out and shoot the breeze, I can do so on other forums. So, I just linger and watch, as newbs should do, until I have something to add.
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Hahaha... I bet you're talking about elitistjerks.com
Please. Just get over yourselves. It's a good thing that new people are coming to the forums. That means the Android community is growing and moving into more mainstream. Educate and direct people... don't spank them. Otherwise, you'll send them right back to their friendly iPhone forums.
Sounds to me like some 35 year old men need to get out of their moms basement and meet people face to face and learn how to treat others.
Holier than thou attitudes will run people away and along with that the innovation that comes with new ideas. I've been in many environments where a closed loop could not resolve an important issue because they were addressing the issue as they always have. It took someone new looking at the problem, with different experiences, in order to resolve the issue in the best possible way, if you don't like it, or your pride gets hurt, then you probably don't need to be part of the team.
I have also known people who could give Einstein a run for his money, but because they lacked the people skills, they couldn't get in with any major position enough where people would listen, they usually got sent to the corner of R&D and played with obscure possibilities.
As you can tell, I hate arrogance, and because I don't post much in this forum, doesn't mean I can't kick your ass in every other aspect of technology, worldly issues, and life in general.... So put down the mountain dew, and get up out of the basement, and maybe just maybe, you'll find that your high horse isn't high at all.
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I spent 20 seconds Not wasted mind you I knew what was going to ensue after I read the OP's post.
Each and everyone one of you have done this when you are new to a board. You only learn from experience. We were all NOOBS at one point. We didn't graduate to Geekdom overnight.
When I first came on here I was treated like a red-headed step child for not understanding how to ROOT. I read and read and eventually learned how on my own mostly due to the RUDE responses from some of the people who thought they were entitled to treat newcomers like 3rd rate citizens.
I have given my share of smart assed remarks and have called people out on some things. But when someone new posts a relink or asks a question that they could have searched for I just help because its no BIG deal.
Yes you can say they are lazy or perhaps you might have to consider they are new and aren't well versed in searching. Who really knows. If they are repeat offenders then call them out otherwise its just a simple post that anyone can choose to ignore and not contribute.
It's all good..
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100% with you, if i can help i will, if i need to call someone out, i will do it too, but not arguing, i just click the "report post button" and that's it. I think there are to many people here that want to be forum moderators and act like one, it's happening a lot lately!
mikevillarroel said:
100% with you, if i can help i will, if i need to call someone out, i will do it too, but not arguing, i just click the "report post button" and that's it. I think there are to many people here that want to be forum moderators and act like one, it's happening a lot lately!
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Some of the pictures of the old school phones brings back memories. Too funny!!
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Some of the pictures of the old school phones brings back memories. Too funny!!
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lol, I know, the Teletack 250 was the first cellphone i could afford back in Venezuela 10 years ago or so, the next one whas my first phone here in the states with Voice Stream.
Lol wow... This forum is full of it... Higher standard? On the Internet? Lol....hilarious...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720242
Anybody and everybody who dislikes fm1776, come and fill in the blank~ Since he has put us in his ignore list, he won't be able see how we poke fun of him =D
fm1776 is a _______.
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Ok, on the serious note... Now that I've gotten the moderators' attention and getting myself into the potential of getting banned, this'll be my attempt before I die, or the topic gets closed.
So yeah... Dear moderator(s),
These couple of days this certain forummer, fm1776, has been causing a stir in the X10 community, by trying to defame X10 and promote iPhone in a zealous manner.
During this process, he has gotten quite a number of X10 users' attentions. If you do search through his posts, you will realize his illogical pratterings, and the funny thing is, he was the one starting insults on every single forummers who voiced out with name-calling, yet accuse us of doing so to him.
He even had the cheek to declare that he's put us in his ignore list and continued his endless, repititive praisings of the iphone4.
My question is, are we allowed to go to other sections and bash the respective models on how bad they are compared to the ones we like?
Though this is a public forum, but I believe stirring unrest between forummers isn't what we should encourage.
He can bash the X10 for all he like in the iPhone section, but not in a section that is about X10, for X10 owners. Doing so is just showing that he is looking for trouble.
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And to prove my point, hope those who are more or less affected please voice out and relate to the moderators about your views on fm1776.
And don't forget to fill in the blank too~ =D
Errr.... anyone...??? Helllloooooooooo~!?!? *echoes*
Sorry, but this is a complete waste of both time and space. You are giving him exactly the attention that he craves. My suggestion: delete this thread as fast as you created it. It doesn't bring anything worthwhile to the table.
Insults aside you make a good point.
There's a thin line between criticizing and bashing and it's pretty clear which side fm1776 has chosen. Not to say that he isn't allowed to voice his opinions but it's now gone from voicing his opinions to name-calling and ignoring opponents which to my knowledge are pretty clear indications of trolling. I'm not demanding his ejection from the board or anything, I have better things to worry about but LoneLEE makes a good point.
Well, menaningless, I do agree. But since nobody is doing anything about it and letting him run amok, at least I'm trying to see if it works. After all, would you prefer a sense of peace (ok there will be others after him, but I think alot would agree that fm1776 is the epitome of annoyance) or stoop to his level and pretend to ignore him?
Ignoring him just gives him the freedom to cause more unrest.
I don't think his amount of attention he's seeking is good enough, cos so far he hasn't been able to catch any moderators' attention. Lol.
And to think he, as a 'senior member', should know how to behave.
Even if I get bashed by his potential fans or banned by the mderators, at least I go down trying~ XD
If you ban this person, he will just make an new account and come back. Waste of time. It's better to ignore the person and let the mod do the work.
Yup. I know he'll come back. Just wanna raise awareness to the moderators that's all.
Maybe the kid respect the moderators more than us?
I belong to various forums on a wide range of subject matter and I am surprised how moderate the moderators on here have been with the person in question. As far as I can see he ruined a perfectly reasonable thread regarding picture quality, which I would have been interested in, and turned it to his own agenda of X10 bashing. We are all entitled to our opinion by you don't have to shove yours, repeatedly, down our throats. Gave up reading it because it got sooooo school yard silly.
In the meantime, ignoring him is probably the best way to go. He needs to get a life, not ruin ours.
Now who's trolling!..
Seriously though.. I thought most of his posts started with a sensible question/ thought/ challenge, which then devolved into petty squabbling.. As far as I know he is an x10 owner himself..
If you don't agree with anothers opinion then fine say so and state your own, but don't lower yourselves to personal insults... regardless of what anyone else does.. Presuming that you're all adults, you make your own decisions and you can't blame anyone else for what you type/ say/ do/ etc..
Can we please get back to healthy debate?
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Now who's trolling!..
Seriously though.. I thought most of his posts started with a sensible question/ thought/ challenge, which then devolved into petty squabbling.. As far as I know he is an x10 owner himself..
If you don't agree with anothers opinion then fine say so and state your own, but don't lower yourselves to personal insults... regardless of what anyone else does.. Presuming that you're all adults, you make your own decisions and you can't blame anyone else for what you type/ say/ do/ etc..
Can we please get back to healthy debate?
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as an independant person who has just looked through these threads. you dont need to defend him.
he comes in here saying 'im not here for debate, but just to make a statement' then he proceeds to debate with everyone (well one time) before putting them on ignore.
as someone else said, 'its like covering your eyes/ears and screaming 'lalala i cant hear youuuu''
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So yeah... Dear moderator(s)
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as an independant person who has just looked through these threads. you dont need to defend him.
he comes in here saying 'im not here for debate, but just to make a statement' then he proceeds to debate with everyone (well one time) before putting them on ignore.
as someone else said, 'its like covering your eyes/ears and screaming 'lalala i cant hear youuuu''
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I place people on ignore when they go beyond the subject in attempt to change the topic. I also put people on ignore when they wag personal insults against me. Why respond to childish behavior? Several of the insults have come from one user who is using several profiles in an attempt to completely disrupt any point he does not agree with. He was banned twice for his rhetoric and feels like he has some how been wronged by me because I am the person that reported him. You will see how the same user profiles in question having come to attack the same people over and over in the different threads on every occasion they have disagreed. Also, there are things like personal information they have shared which is far too similar to be coincidence. You can look at a few of the dates these profiles were created, the beginning of June, which is right when the first profile got banned. That person is the one who started this thread.
Instead of offering his own point of view he attacks other points of view he find fault with. Everyone should be entitled to their opinion, but it should stay on topic. And, no one should have to call someone names because they don't like what they say.
I should not have to respond to people telling me that I want video chat so I can "make people watch whilst I jerk off". If placing that person on ignore makes me a "coward or a troll". Than I am both. It is completely unfair that you suggest that I did something wrong because I am unwilling to lower myself to a person who has spent 90% of his time on XDA insulting real contributors because they don't offer an opinion that matches his own. Which is exactly why he got banned from the X10 forum.
I want SE to get better. And, I know from several years of owning SE flagship devices that the only way to get SE to be more responsive to us customers is to let them know that you are willing to switch manufactures if they don't change.
I am not putting anyone down. I am not interest in putting everything SE down. I would just like us to be a bit more objective in our comparisons and to put a lot more pressure on SE to take us customers more seriously. Not simply take our cash and be done with us.
All of you please go through the rules here.
This thread is un-necessary, and does NOT belong to a forum based on X10 device.
Please stop this and maintain calm, till the MODs can look into the matter.
Hope you all stay calm and co-operate in peacekeeping on XDA.
Thanks.
Obviously it's unnecessary, and this topic will not be here if somebody bothered to put a stop to his crusade.
How else can I get your attention besides resorting to this? -_-
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Obviously it's unnecessary, and this topic will not be here if somebody bothered to put a stop to his crusade.
How else can I get your attention besides resorting to this? -_-
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There is a report button on the top right corner of every post.
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There is a report button on the top right corner of every post.
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... OH... I was trying to look for a button labeled 'Report User', just like other forums -____-
But ah well, what's done is done, and I've successfully brought to your attention anyway.
And since this topic has lived up to its purpose, please close it up already.
Flaming will not be tolerated Period. Thread closesd
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You might wanna edit this for spelling/punctuation; makes you sound more professional.
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You might wanna edit this for spelling/punctuation; makes you sound more professional.
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I didn't claim to be a professional.
And there is always someone out there like you.
I was expecting a few responses like yours.
You must be an English major and a professional writer lol
it must be hard to be so perfect.
Correcting people is a great way to get your post count up buddy.
The point is that I'm a regular person.
Everybody makes mistakes.
A pm would have been a little more appropriate i think.
But the people like you that know it all thrive on trying to put others down in order to get through your day.
I'm sure I must have misspelled something or forgot to cross a t or dot an i.
Plus I write on my phone. Auto correct isn't always the best feature.
Hopefully the real people out there won't be such haters.
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I didn't claim to be a professional.
And there is always someone out there like you.
I was expecting a few responses like yours.
You must be an English major and a professional writer lol
it must be hard to be so perfect.
Correcting people is a great way to get your post count up buddy.
The point is that I'm a regular person.
Everybody makes mistakes.
A pm would have been a little more appropriate i think.
But the people like you that know it all thrive on trying to put others down in order to get through your day.
I'm sure I must have misspelled something or forgot to cross a t or dot an i.
Plus I write on my phone. Auto correct isn't always the best feature.
Hopefully the real people out there won't be such haters.
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Chill the fk out, seriously. Yes a pm would have been more appropriate in hindsight, but I was just trying to help and didn't realize it would stir up a **** storm (my original intent was to edit my post to say something positive once you fixed yours). You seem like a real joy to work with I pity those who reply to this.
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Chill the fk out, seriously. Yes a pm would have been more appropriate in hindsight, but I was just trying to help and didn't realize it would stir up a **** storm (my original intent was to edit my post to say something positive once you fixed yours). You seem like a real joy to work with I pity those who reply to this.
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Lol thanks for your help pal
lets just hope that the good people out there can look past this guys personal issues.
I'm sure most people see where I'm coming from about his criticism.
Anyways I'm a good and honest individual and am just looking for the right people to work with
obviously anyone with issues such as themapleboy need not inquire.
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Lol thanks for your help pal
lets just hope that the good people out there can look past this guys personal issues.
I'm sure most people see where I'm coming from about his criticism.
Anyways I'm a good and honest individual and am just looking for the right people to work with
obviously anyone with issues such as themapleboy need not inquire.
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Woah, woah, woah. Ok, now that we've come down to walking speed, let me continue:
themapleboy was clearly just trying to help. It never hurts to be formal in situations that facilitate it, i.e. seeking a business partner, at least in my book, is clearly of those situations. themapleboy recognised this and attempted to help.
Let us now segue into a justification from a professional:
Moreover, I'm a socio/psycho/computational linguist (meaning that I study the effects of linguistic registers – among other things – and how these registers interact with human perception) and there's clearly nothing wrong with writing informally – in fact, linguists care not for "correctness" for we study language as it evolves and not as it once was. On the other hand, informality does, however, have an affect on how others perceive your intelligence, professionalism, and seriousness: formality ultimately determines whether-or-not you'll find an ideal business partner. You said yourself that you search for someone who is dedicated and a solid serious individual; therefore, an investment of a tad bit more formality and seriousness may ensure that, instead of finding someone amateurish and lighthearted, you find someone who's equally as driven and serious as you. /justification for themapleboy
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Let me be absolutely clear in saying that this message is not, by any means, an attack. Let me also add that themapleboy's original message was, too, not meant to be an attack. People receive criticism and distribute criticism in varying ways; each person is unique, which is why you must always assume positive intent no matter how difficult it may seem.
Good luck with finding someone, and may both of your futures be as successful as you hope them to be.
Sorry to say, but themapleboy makes a valid point.
Despite being no english major myself, I would recommend proper communication skills when dealing with potential business associates, customers, etc.
The image you project will likely make the difference between a long fruitless struggle and a successful venture.
Only my $.02
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I've found the people I needed
thank you guys for seeing these poor trash talkers for what they are.
And thank you xda for being there!