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[Q] What makes unlocking the R800x different?

After knowing about that for a while, I never really thought about why until today. My phone screwed up about a week ago after attempting to install a rom for unlocked only without realizing it. I was just curious because I fixed my phone with flashtool. With the Verizon Xperia Play, you pull the battery and put it back in, then you plug your USB cord into the PC, then you plug the micro-usb end into the phone while holding the back button while the phone is off and it'll put the phone into a certain mode that let me flash the R800x stock firmware and fully repair my phone. I don't know how to unlock the bootloader because I never looked into it, as the Verizon model requires a completely different method, that costs money, while the others could be done for free. Someone enlighten me.

I'd like you to read the Super compilation sticky in the Q&A section as it covers that topic extensively. Free unlocks can be performed only in few R800i phones.

Okay, thank you! I looked in the Q&A but I might have skimmed past it.

If you skim through the stuff on these forum i shall be honest with you. Do not unlocker your bootloader, you will end up with a broken phone sooner or later.
Just root it, you will be happy.

How to root please?

swebosdev said:
If you skim through the stuff on these forum i shall be honest with you. Do not unlocker your bootloader, you will end up with a broken phone sooner or later.
Just root it, you will be happy.
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I call nonsense on this. Why would unlocking your bootloader bring trouble? I've spent eight months with this sucker already, I unlocked it almost right away and it works like OOTB

Unlocked bootloaders are the spawn of Satan.
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netizenmt said:
Unlocked bootloaders are the spawn of Satan.
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No, LOCKED bootloaders are the spawn of Satan.

had my bootloader unlocked since launch day and works unbelievably well...
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not reading up on what you are doing first, and being stupid in general, is what breaks your phone

Umm, I'm on AT&T and I would have to pay for an unlocked bootloader the same as you. Only unlocked and unbranded phones purchased without a contract can do it for free and, honestly, it's probably worth paying for just to keep the DRM.

US Z1s Tell Sony to give us the option unlock BL!

I tweeted them.
@sonyxperiauS * @SonyXperia* US version of Z1s bootloader is NOT unlockable. I'm returning it until you give us option to unlock.
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epsix said:
I tweeted them.
@sonyxperiauS * @SonyXperia* US version of Z1s bootloader is NOT unlockable. I'm returning it until you give us option to unlock.
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It isn't up to Sony, the carrier has told Sony it wants to buy phones with locked bootloaders, blame your carrier instead.

Can't say I'm suprised in the least. It's supposed to be Tmobile exclusive flag ship. That said it's not the first locked bootloader the world has seen. Is just a matter of time before someone figures out a workaround.

We can still flash international stock ROMs right? That good enough for me if I ever feel the need to use a custom rom I have my note 3 for that.
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nightfox11 said:
We can still flash international stock ROMs right? That good enough for me if I ever feel the need to use a custom rom I have my note 3 for that.
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I doubt it, since the internal memory layout is different.

Rekoil said:
It isn't up to Sony, the carrier has told Sony it wants to buy phones with locked bootloaders, blame your carrier instead.
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Exactly, Z1s was meant to be for TMO so we can't blame Sony. Actually many people advice us to do not buy the Xperia from Carriers because of that, but like all the times many do not search and read carefully.

eclyptos said:
Exactly, Z1s was meant to be for TMO so we can't blame Sony. Actually many people advice us to do not buy the Xperia from Carriers because of that, but like all the times many do not search and read carefully.
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Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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epsix said:
Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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Maybe we can put the TMOUS firmware on a C6906.
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epsix said:
Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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On locked bootloader should be no problem, the root come soon. Someone just complain because of permanently locked bootloader and no custom kernels for them.

Is there or will there be any way to root without unlocking the bootloader? I dont really care about flashing the rom but rooting is a whole different story for me :/

Agreed. Rooting is essential at the very least.
Sony and T-Mobile need to realize that people who purchase this device are very discerning consumers and tech users. We didn't just settle for the s4.
We chose this device for superior styling, specs, and build quality. And i hope i speak for others too when i say that i jumped to T-Mobile (despite concerns of service quality) because i was tired of the service i was receiving from my old carrier. I am thus far very pleased.
John Legere claims that all his grand ideas were the result of listening to customers carrier woes. Honestly he is the reason i switched. Not because i think T-Mobile will be the best carrier, but because i think he can/will change the industry and that deserves a little faith. Well i think it's time for John to have a little faith in us.
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Honestly we should write a letter to Mr Legere with attached signatures from users of all android devices petitioning for the unlocking of bootloaders on all currently supported and future handsets.
Am i correct in assuming this does not affect sim unlock? Hell they could require that the handset be paid off or that the user be enrolled in the jump program (insured).
We need to show manufacturers and carriers how big the Android modding community is and let them see that this community is the future of android and all mobile device development.
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oxidax said:
Is there or will there be any way to root without unlocking the bootloader? I dont really care about flashing the rom but rooting is a whole different story for me :/
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Yes, Z1 can be rooted with Locked Bootloader so Z1s will be too, give them some time.
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POMF2K said:
Am i correct in assuming this does not affect sim unlock?
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Yes, you are correct.

eclyptos said:
Yes, Z1 can be rooted with Locked Bootloader so Z1s will be too, give them some time.
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Thats great then! Its my first time with a non nexus phone so thats why im like freaking out lol!

OCedHrt said:
Maybe we can put the TMOUS firmware on a C6906.
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Has there been much dev progress here? As soon as someone dumps a FTF, C6906s can start flashing them and seeing what breaks. I have an AT&T sim card, though, so I can't really help. I ended up with a Telus C6906 anyway, so it's locked BL.
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Sony and T-Mobile need to realize that people who purchase this device are very discerning consumers and tech users. We didn't just settle for the s4.
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Honestly, I don't think they want to win the "discerning and technical" crowd so much as they just want a big market share. The portion of the marketshare who cares about root/unlock BL/customization is not big enough for them to fight carriers and keep the product financially viable. The carriers are going to push way more sales volume than Sony could on their own, so Sony has to appease them. If it wanted to, maybe Sony could become the Tesla of handsets (distribution without dealerships), but there's no precedent or market case for all that leg work.

Never get a phone without permission to unlock bootloader guys
if u want a cheap phone, just get parallel version

xasbo said:
, so it's locked BL..
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It's locked permanently or can be unlocked?

Technically, "carrier bootloader locked." As in, "bootloader unlock allowed: no". The official unlock procedure doesn't work, obviously, but I'm confident that this is possible to reverse.
I've been doing some research on how to bypass this (talking to Sony dev, reviewing how it was done on the Z), but haven't had much time since the holidays to actually hack the hardware yet.

Never huge fan of Sony, I only purchased this cause its water resistance. After seeing how easy it is to brick this device, i wouldn't even try to unlock BL even if it's unlockable. But really wants root though. :thumbup:
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Anybody have an update on unlocking the bootloader

I know verizon in getting close to pushing out the new kitkat but i dont want to take the update if we have a unlock bootloader in sight
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droidfreak02 said:
I know verizon in getting close to pushing out the new kitkat but i dont want to take the update if we have a unlock bootloader in sight
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Not gong to happen, so I'd stop worrying and thinking about this.

We're still hard at work, but we've still got a ways to go. We're still in the research/discovery phase. I'd just update.

ryanbg said:
We're still hard at work, but we've still got a ways to go. We're still in the research/discovery phase. I'd just update.
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Awesome @ryanbg glad to hear that some devs are still looking into it. Wish I knew more about how to do something that intensive but my knowledge is limited to custom stock roms and compiling and modifying from source. Thanks for the update.
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pimpmaneaton said:
Awesome @ryanbg glad to hear that some devs are still looking into it. Wish I knew more about how to do something that intensive but my knowledge is limited to custom stock roms and compiling and modifying from source. Thanks for the update.
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I was about where you were at in October. I've got a decent chunk of Linux/C experience, but most of it is just reading/learning/searching and putting the pieces together. It's just really time consuming

It is sad how quickly people are dismissing it as impossible. people said the same thing about the Razor...

Unfortunately there are currently only two devs working on this @ryanbg (he is mostly working on N3) and @Surge1223 (he is mostly working on S4).
Here are the things needed for any phone to be unlocked.
1. Large userbase.
2. Most (if not all) variants of the phone has locked bootloader.
3. No developer edition phone.
4. Ungreedy dev who is not going to sell off the exploit to the oem or carrier in exchange of money.
5. Nice enough "guaranteed" bounty for it to be worth dev's time.
6. Dev who is not scared to be sued by the carrier/oem for releasing unlocked bootloader/exploit/signing key.
And in this case we are missing most of the above requirements, if not all.

Walter.White said:
Unfortunately there are currently only two devs working on this @ryanbg (he is mostly working on N3) and @Surge1223 (he is mostly working on S4).
Here are the things needed for any phone to be unlocked.
1. Large userbase.
2. Most (if not all) variants of the phone has locked bootloader.
3. No developer edition phone.
4. Ungreedy dev who is not going to sell off the exploit to the oem or carrier in exchange of money.
5. Nice enough "guaranteed" bounty for it to be worth dev's time.
6. Dev who is not scared to be sued by the carrier/oem for releasing unlocked bootloader/exploit/signing key.
And in this case we are missing most of the above requirements, if not all.
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Well from what I understand there have been a few posts on other forums about Adam Outler posting a picture on his G+ showing Secure boot off but he later had to delete it because people didn't understand that Sboot being off isn't the same as a bootloader unlock. So maybe if he can get that far there is a way for everyone to do it and the right hole just hasn't been found yet. I am very very proud of our devs and think if anyone can do it it will be someone on XDA. I am hoping for a bootloader unlock but I have to agree it does look a bit grim.
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shangrila500 said:
Well from what I understand there have been a few posts on other forums about Adam Outler posting a picture on his G+ showing Secure boot off but he later had to delete it because people didn't understand that Sboot being off isn't the same as a bootloader unlock. So maybe if he can get that far there is a way for everyone to do it and the right hole just hasn't been found yet. I am very very proud of our devs and think if anyone can do it it will be someone on XDA. I am hoping for a bootloader unlock but I have to agree it does look a bit grim.
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Nah. It was actually @ryanbg who achieved that secureboot:none status and it was his picture that he sent it to adam AFAIK adam doesn't even have note 3 (ppl where trying to crowd fund it but mods kept deleting those threads for one reason or another..so he actually never got N3 in his hand).
P.S. I'm just hoping that some dev has already cracked the bootloader but is waiting on S5 release before posting it. :fingers-crossed: @designgears already has the S5 firmware but hasn't posted it yet.

[WIP] Note Series Developer Edition Conversion (VZW ONLY)

All,
Due to the recent accidental leak of Samsung eMMC vendor commands allowing write to protected eMMC areas, we are now able to write CID values on production devices.
Beaups has written an awesome tool called 'SamsungCID' (found here: https://github.com/beaups/SamsungCID). This makes the process all teh simpler!
I have built this tool from his source, and used it on a multitude of devices that use a Samsung eMMC. It works without flaw on the Moto G (Second Generation), Galaxy S5 (VZW/ATT, though, ATT doesn't have a Developer Edition that I am aware of), and many, many others.
How does this apply to you?
The Note Edge uses a Samsung eMMC (I believe, no teardown I can find definitively says so), and has a Developer Edition. This means that it is (most likely) vulnerable to this exploit.
How can I help this progress?
I need a few thing to make this work:
- A few testers with Production devices, and root (temp-root should work fine) -- I will contact these people individually, do not ask here to test.
- One person with a Developer Edition that has root (need an aboot dump, and them to run one command).
If any of you know of someone with a Developer Edition, please get them in contact with me. I can be reached on Hangouts, or on Telegram (@npjohnson).
PLEASE do not post your CID publicly.

Me again, unfortunately the seller didn't have the aboot backup of my Dev Ed Edge.
I'm fairly certain the one on my device is locked, but I can try to get you a copy of it after work.
Like I said, I have permanent root, just no bootloader write access so no custom recovery/firmware. I'm stuck on 5.0.1 BOJ7

I take it progress is at a standstill?
I'm really hoping for a breakthrough. One way or another. Please dont feel like noone is interested, because this guy sure is.

For all others waiting for news: today a retail Note 4 was converted to Developer Edition. Thats HUGE!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...nty-verizon-note-4-root-whos-t2916685/page138

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For all others waiting for news: today a retail Note 4 was converted to Developer Edition. Thats HUGE!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...nty-verizon-note-4-root-whos-t2916685/page138
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That was me, haha.
You guys track down a developer edition Note Edge owner, and I can most likely pull off similar.

Verizon Edge Developer Unlock
any news on bootloader unlock on the veizon Edge the note4 unlock works but wont put it in devevloper mode?
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any news on bootloader unlock on the veizon Edge the note4 unlock works but wont put it in devevloper mode?
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sorry i forgot to mention i tried the unlock for note4 on the edge changed CID but did not get developer mode....

I have my Verizon de Edge.

Thanks for your help, hometech99! Have you gotten in contact with npjohnson?

Yes.. No reply. Maybe he found one.

I will donate whatever to this cause. Was planning to try the N4 version, but will gladly wait for a more stable edge edition. You're the best!

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That was me, haha.
You guys track down a developer edition Note Edge owner, and I can most likely pull off similar.
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Hey we found a guy with a DE! Whats good? Will it be a while before you can get around to looking into this for us?
Thanks for your willingness and contributions to this community, I appreciate ya

sduffy89 said:
Hey we found a guy with a DE! Whats good? Will it be a while before you can get around to looking into this for us?
Thanks for your willingness and contributions to this community, I appreciate ya
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I guess no love for us Edge guys....

bigbooker455 said:
I guess no love for us Edge guys....
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I wonder if they're on the verge of a breakthru with the Note 5 because that would likely take precedence. But yeah Im looking forward to using xposed framework and modules and custom recovery. Ill keep checking back

I think all that needs to happen is the file that's out there for the Note 4 needs to be altered with a Developer Edition CID for the edge but I just don't know how to do it I'm not a developer....
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I'm pretty sure all the hard work is already been done and it's just an alteration of a Couple files, I've already flashed the software on my Edge and and it worked but because its a SM-915V and not a
SM-910V won't convert it.
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The Verizon edition of this phone was and still is very unpopular. The release date kept getting pushed back and the Edge seemed like an experiment IMO. I thought it would be a liability. I got this phone for free by dumb luck thru a Verizon error. If it was up to me I would have just gotten the note 4. But i have no money for full price phones to keep grandfathered data plans so this was a godsent miracle. I digress.
This is a charity project i presume. I doubt its very hard but theres not much (or any) reward for the developer who feels like throwing us a bone. Im sure npjohnson has a paypal link for gratuities. Just sayin.

They just released the full exploit for the Note 4. I'm sure they're inundated with requests and questions concerning that.
I'll be waiting patiently, I have no doubt they'll get to us soon enough. Anyone brave enough to try the Note 4 exploit on their Edge?

h00rj said:
They just released the full exploit for the Note 4. I'm sure they're inundated with requests and questions concerning that.
I'll be waiting patiently, I have no doubt they'll get to us soon enough. Anyone brave enough to try the Note 4 exploit on their Edge?
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I came so close to trying it but then backed away slowly :silly:

h00rj said:
They just released the full exploit for the Note 4. I'm sure they're inundated with requests and questions concerning that.
I'll be waiting patiently, I have no doubt they'll get to us soon enough. Anyone brave enough to try the Note 4 exploit on their Edge?
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Read someone else already tried. Didn't do any damage but didn't succeed either. This phone would be amazing running CM. I'll certainly donate to whoever gets it Edge compatible.

I have released the cid and aboot for stock note edge DevEd 4.4.4 to npjohnson so you guys with retail may still have a shot at this. Don't smash your phone's just yet lol.
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Does KingRoot still achieve temp root on 5.0.1?
I've tried a couple times now using NewKingrootV4.85_C139_B255_en_release_2016_03_29_1 05203.apk which is the one being used on the Note 4 prior to converting to DE and have been unsuccessful. I'm not sure if its just because of the instability or if I need to be on a different version of android.

Root (DROID)

Okay, so call me crazy/stupid but what is the easiest way to root my Moto Z Force Droid Edition?

ThisIsAGoodUsername said:
Okay, so call me crazy/stupid but what is the easiest way to root my Moto Z Force Droid Edition?
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Root is automatically activated when the phone has been in free fall for more than 10 seconds. Find a tall building and throw your phone off of it.
Seriously, have a look around before you post questions like this.
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ThisIsAGoodUsername said:
Okay, so call me crazy/stupid but what is the easiest way to root my Moto Z Force Droid Edition?
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Not at all at the moment.

PiousInquisitor said:
Root is automatically activated when the phone has been in free fall for more than 10 seconds. Find a tall building and throw your phone off of it.
Seriously, have a look around before you post questions like this.
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He was just asking a basic question. Did you really have to reply so meanly to him?

With it being a Verizon Droid brand, there's a good chance the answer is never. Probably not a lot of developers with the phone and Big Red is pretty serious about locking it down, hence the answers.

PiousInquisitor said:
Root is automatically activated when the phone has been in free fall for more than 10 seconds. Find a tall building and throw your phone off of it.
Seriously, have a look around before you post questions like this.
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Actually I have looked. I have seen several sources that claim rooting this latest VZW Droid phone is trivially easy. They even post instructions on how to do it.
Now, I wasn't at first going to believe those sources, because they have some odd errors, like 1/2 way thru their instructions they start to refer to the Mot Z Force Droid as being a Samsung phone.
However, based on your knowledgeable answer, I will take your vouching that these sources are being 100% reliable.

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However, based on your knowledgeable answer, I will take your vouching that these sources are being 100% reliable.
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Quite the opposite. If there isn't a root method on this forum, then there isn't one that works.
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Actually I have looked. I have seen several sources that claim rooting this latest VZW Droid phone is trivially easy. They even post instructions on how to do it.
Now, I wasn't at first going to believe those sources, because they have some odd errors, like 1/2 way thru their instructions they start to refer to the Mot Z Force Droid as being a Samsung phone.
However, based on your knowledgeable answer, I will take your vouching that these sources are being 100% reliable.
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I've seen several sources claiming root for NON-VZW Moto Z phones (i.e.: Bootloader unlocked), I've seen none valid for VZW Droid (i.e.: Locked down like fort Knox)... Guess we have different search engines.
Wrote to Moto, no intention of unlocking it either. So unless someone finds an exploit/backdoor/Universal unlock key, you're SOL.

The current issue is that taking an update will destroy your chances of getting root. Take 0 updates until an exploit is found that will allow us root. Dirtycow/quadrooter are the only linux exploits that we might be able to get to work. Its just a matter of who. I know Jcase (https://twitter.com/jcase?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) has posted in a couple places about compiling dirtycow and even has an "Android Hacking" basics kinda PDF floating around. He has done a lot in the community (SunShine) he doesn't deserve the hate being thrown at him for not developing a root method for this one device.

daifunai said:
He was just asking a basic question. Did you really have to reply so meanly to him?
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It's the trend nowadays.
Instead of helping he posts what he did.
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Sirshark10 said:
Take 0 updates until an exploit is found that will allow us root.
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Oh. Well now I regret taking all those updates. I still doubt we'll get root on this device tho. I can only hope. It seems XDA forums has gone quiet and essentially given up on trying to root this phone, but I hope I'm wrong about that.

MOARStuff said:
Oh. Well now I regret taking all those updates. I still doubt we'll get root on this device tho. I can only hope. It seems XDA forums has gone quiet and essentially given up on trying to root this phone, but I hope I'm wrong about that.
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pretty much true

I wish that some developer would even try working on this. I myself have thought of many things and will probably create a separate post for root soon since I have a couple ideas which I feel MIGHT MAYBE work, but I need the XDA community to pitch in and help me think of a method. Like I said, I have a rough idea but it needs refining, which I can hopefully get from the community.

Moto z force jailbreak
So what you guys are saying it's inpossable to jail brake our phone? So I should just go out and get a new phone if I want to jail break it?

I was aware the when I bought my phone used that the Droid version probably wouldn't see root anytime soon but I bought it anyway because I did research online and felt the phone had good enough specs and the UI looked good and had cool features so I personally don't even need or miss having root on this phone. My reasons for rooting phones has ALWAYS been for performance tweaks with occasional UI adjustments.
My last phone was an Acend XT (H611) which before having the bootloader unlocked and flashing a debloated and tweaked stock rom it was an utter POS. I paid $50 for that Ascent XT and I liked it but performance and UI wise it doesn't even compare to the Moto Z Force. So I personally don't even miss having root.
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Alex222339 said:
So what you guys are saying it's inpossable to jail brake our phone? So I should just go out and get a new phone if I want to jail break it?
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Yeah need bootloader unlocked and Verizon won't let Lenovo Unlock our Droid version.
I am more concerned about when we will get another update for Oreo because it has problems sometimes.... I have to restart my phone once a week because the fingerprint scanner or chop for flashlight stop working or some other random bug pops up.

Damn Verizon, thets how they killed the turbo 2