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What is the difference between devices hltetmo and hltecan? I have a hltecan. Will we need CyanogenMod compiled for hltecan? I notice that recoveries have different versions for both devices. Also I am wondering about downgrading for 4.4 (when it comes) to 4.3. Is there a surefire way to upgrade and downgrade between 4.4 TW 4.4 CM and 4.3TW? I would not mind voiding my Knox counter. Just worried about being stuck or getting a brick for another 21 months on contract :silly:
jtl999 said:
What is the difference between devices hltetmo and hltecan? I have a hltecan. Will we need CyanogenMod compiled for hltecan? I notice that recoveries have different versions for both devices. Also I am wondering about downgrading for 4.4 (when it comes) to 4.3. Is there a surefire way to upgrade and downgrade between 4.4 TW 4.4 CM and 4.3TW? I would not mind voiding my Knox counter. Just worried about being stuck or getting a brick for another 21 months on contract :silly:
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you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
jaythenut said:
you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
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Sigh. I would do anything to be able to upgrade and downgrade between versions. Even Knox counter. If anyone finds something let me know
jtl999 said:
Sigh. I would do anything to be able to upgrade and downgrade between versions. Even Knox counter. If anyone finds something let me know
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I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back to 4.3 is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
EDIT: I'm gonna mess with the bootloader and see, doubt it can be matched/mixed to work with the N9005 but what's the harm in trying.
radicalisto said:
I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
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Please try with Telus firmware please. Currently on MJ1
radicalisto said:
I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back to 4.3 is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
EDIT: I'm gonna mess with the bootloader and see, doubt it can be matched/mixed to work with the N9005 but what's the harm in trying.
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The harm in trying is a hardbrick.
Well yes there is that, however I am not overly fussed about it, as most HB's can be revived. I am aware of all the risks, so will be my fault 100% if I brick myself.
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
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Rajito said:
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
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Flash a tar.md5 through twrp? What version of the stock rom?
Did you have the new bootloader?
Rajito said:
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
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CM is based on MJ/MK Bootloader. You could run Android 9.6 and it'd make no difference. It's all about the bootloader
radicalisto said:
CM is based on MJ/MK Bootloader. You could run Android 9.6 and it'd make no difference. It's all about the bootloader
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Sorry. Can't understand exactly. What exactly means what versions you can run with a new bootloader?
MJ7 is the bootloader that powers CM currently. You need a bootloader to be able to boot into the operating system. Like a key into the phone.
If you upgrade your bootloader to a newer version aka NA6 it locks the phone. Therefore anything that runs lower than NA6 aka MJ7 won't work.
Think of it like, you broke your door, you got a new door and tried to use the old key. It no long works.
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radicalisto said:
MJ7 is the bootloader that powers CM currently. You need a bootloader to be able to boot into the operating system. Like a key into the phone.
If you upgrade your bootloader to a newer version aka NA6 it locks the phone. Therefore anything that runs lower than NA6 aka MJ7 won't work.
Think of it like, you broke your door, you got a new door and tried to use the old key. It no long works.
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I know how bootloaders work. Isn't there a way to omit bootloaders from Odin tar.md5 updates? Once I/Someone figures that out I'm golden staying with my old bootloader. Currently on MJ1.
jaythenut said:
you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
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hi, can you elaborate?
i always thought samsung doesn't let you downgrade to an older bootloader. but if you install CM (not samsung official updates) the bootloader doesn't get updated so you can downgrade in the future.
unless you upgrade to 4.4.2 official samsung ROM and update the bootloader, then you'll never be able to downgrade again?
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Flash a tar.md5 through twrp? What version of the stock rom?
Did you have the new bootloader?
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No, if you want to try out kitkat i recommend you to use a cyanogenmod based 4.4 like probam, it doesn't update your bootloader and you can just downgrade back to jellybean
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so upgraded to the leaked KK for my att note 3, and my wife just got the note3 as well and hers had an OTA to KK - versions are different and the bugs im experiencing are not on her version... i know i cant downgrade but how can i flash that update (official) since when i got to do an update it says im at the latest?
thanks !
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so upgraded to the leaked KK for my att note 3, and my wife just got the note3 as well and hers had an OTA to KK - versions are different and the bugs im experiencing are not on her version... i know i cant downgrade but how can i flash that update (official) since when i got to do an update it says im at the latest?
thanks !
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I want to upgrade from MLG to NC2 too. However, there is no direct way to do it at the moment.
However, if you are still at A2, you can use Safestrap to switch between MJ5 and NC2 (Please don't flash NC2 aboot.mbn!!!!!!)
Yes there is just do the mj5 restore that is in this section then follow one of the guides on how to install the ota
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As Jerrycoffman said. . . .
Restore back to MJ5 using this guide - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2559715
Don't root using the last part. It removes knox which will block you from being able to update the phone.
Next there will be a OTA to install its around 60mb. This is NB4
Lastly, just download kitkat OTA that's available. This may take sometime because it is a larger file size.
A lot of people have had issues installing the Kitkat OTA (including me). It fails at a certain percentage.
If you have this problem just follow this guide to fix it - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701062
Make sure you back up any apps and files you need before starting this
Honestly instead of upgrading to official KK, why don't you just root and flash of of the available KK rom which is so much better than stock. Unless you don't care about the custom rom and root, you can follow what other has suggested to get the official OTA. Once you update thought, no way to get it root anymore
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Agree 100%!!!
mutantblack said:
Honestly instead of upgrading to official KK, why don't you just root and flash of of the available KK rom which is so much better than stock. Unless you don't care about the custom rom and root, you can follow what other has suggested to get the official OTA. Once you update thought, no way to get it root anymore
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There is absolutely NO reason, if you follow instructions correctly, to accept the official update. Been there, done that. Glad I returned my OFFICIAL 4.4.2 phone and got another one to keep root on!!!
jreed3786 said:
There is absolutely NO reason, if you follow instructions correctly, to accept the official update. Been there, done that. Glad I returned my OFFICIAL 4.4.2 phone and got another one to keep root on!!!
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i was under the impression that i cannot root once i am on KK? also i use ISIS on a daily basis... do the new custom KK roms support ISIS?
amendolaro1 said:
i was under the impression that i cannot root once i am on KK? also i use ISIS on a daily basis... do the new custom KK roms support ISIS?
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As far as I know, that's a NO.
amendolaro1 said:
i was under the impression that i cannot root once i am on KK? also i use ISIS on a daily basis... do the new custom KK roms support ISIS?
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Isis can work on kit kat. I had it working but changed to wallet out of principal
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Best solution:
Go to Best Buy and ask one of the Samsung people to get you to stock, in less than 10 to 15 minutes you'll be in OTA Kit Kat.
No reason to have OTA kitkat when you lose root.
I use ISIS daily with the following mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2425346
I just recently purchased a Verizon Note 3 and would like some takeoff advice with this device. It came loaded with JB 4.3 and MJE baseband. I would like to upgrade the present stock JB 4.3 to KK 4.4.2 utilizing the best tools for the job. With root, a new recovery, and a reliable wifi hotspot apk too. I have found that it helps to get advice from an experienced user before potentially taking a wrong first step in unknown territory... Been there, done that.
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I just recently purchased a Verizon Note 3 and would like some takeoff advice with this device. It came loaded with JB 4.3 and MJE baseband. I would like to upgrade the present stock JB 4.3 to KK 4.4.2 utilizing the best tools for the job. With root, a new recovery, and a reliable wifi hotspot apk too. I have found that it helps to get advice from an experienced user before potentially taking a wrong first step in unknown territory... Been there, done that.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2543386
This is the method I used it worked perfectly, I came from sprint sammy GS3 so this was a bit different but its great now! if you go under your devices and go to the android development forum you will see how to update to 4.4.2 after you obtain your 4.3 root with safestrap. this is the safest method so follow the link i posted and you should have no problems:good: also if you miss the aosp feel the eclipse rom is amazing..Good Luck
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Lexus One said:
I just recently purchased a Verizon Note 3 and would like some takeoff advice with this device. It came loaded with JB 4.3 and MJE baseband. I would like to upgrade the present stock JB 4.3 to KK 4.4.2 utilizing the best tools for the job. With root, a new recovery, and a reliable wifi hotspot apk too. I have found that it helps to get advice from an experienced user before potentially taking a wrong first step in unknown territory... Been there, done that.
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Oh also I stayed on the NC2 firmware when I went to kit kat from what I gathered in research its better than the NC4 for now
More importantly, is there anything that I MUST do while running JB4.3 that I can't do afterwards on 4.4.2? Like root with survival mode or something? Otherwise (from JB4.3) it looks like I could just install the OTA to 4.4.2 NC4 ... run Towelroot, install busybox, and then SafeStrap 3.72. So, is this a good or bad idea ???
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More importantly, is there anything that I MUST do while running JB4.3 that I can't do afterwards on 4.4.2? Like root with survival mode or something? Otherwise (from JB4.3) it looks like I could just install the OTA to 4.4.2 NC4 ... run Towelroot, install busybox, and then SafeStrap 3.72. So, is this a good or bad idea ???
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There is nothing special you need to do while on 4.3. You can do just as you said but you also need to install SuperUser.
Update, run the alpha root, install busybox, su, and safestrap. Download your ROM and flash it on the stock slot.
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leyvatron said:
Update, run the alpha root, install busybox, su, and safestrap. Download your ROM and flash it on the stock slot.
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Could you help me find the "alpha root" method? I don't see it anywhere.
Lexus One said:
Could you help me find the "alpha root" method? I don't see it anywhere.
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its not called alpha. [emoji12]
http://towelroot.com/
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I've been doing some reading in various places and have noticed that there are a good many people complaining about the 4.4.2 upgrade. Things like reception and battery issues...and the list goes on. They basically are saying that things were better before the update.
Would it be better (less problems overall) to upgrade via odin to 4.4.2 NC4...or just take the OTA route from the retail version 4.3 MJE...or should I stay on 4.3 and put up with the alleged GPS headaches...and bypass all the reception and battery issues?
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I've been doing some reading in various places and have noticed that there are a good many people complaining about the 4.4.2 upgrade. Things like reception and battery issues...and the list goes on. They basically are saying that things were better before the update.
Would it be better (less problems overall) to upgrade via odin to 4.4.2 NC4...or just take the OTA route from the retail version 4.3 MJE...or should I stay on 4.3 and put up with the alleged GPS headaches...and bypass all the reception and battery issues?
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Don't use the NC4 Odin or the OTA, root MJE then install a 4.4.2 ROM. That way you have the ability to go back to MJE if you want to, you can also try the different modems once you're on NC4 and find the one that works best for you.
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Don't use the NC4 Odin or the OTA, root MJE then install a 4.4.2 ROM. That way you have the ability to go back to MJE if you want to, you can also try the different modems once you're on NC4 and find the one that works best for you.
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Thanks airmaxx, but I thought I read that I could use odin to go back if I wanted to after rooting the OTA NC4 with towelroot. Besides, if there are problems (as I've read) with 4.4.2 NC4, then it would make more sense not to upgrade at all. Or is NC4 really that much better even with the poorer reception and battery issues? Now I'm wondering what makes the NC4 upgrade worth the time and effort. Thanks again for your thoughts.
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Thanks airmaxx, but I thought I read that I could use odin to go back if I wanted to after rooting the OTA NC4 with towelroot. Besides, if there are problems (as I've read) with 4.4.2 NC4, then it would make more sense not to upgrade at all. Or is NC4 really that much better even with the poorer reception and battery issues? Now I'm wondering what makes the NC4 upgrade worth the time and effort. Thanks again for your thoughts.
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You can downgrade from 4.4.2 (NC4) if you root MJE and install a pre-rooted version (ROM). The OTA and NC4 tar file have a different bootloader which prevents downgrading. I've had no problems with battery or signal on NC4, keep in mind that people usually post when they have problems but rarely pay when things are working fine.
airmaxx23 said:
You can downgrade from 4.4.2 (NC4) if you root MJE and install a pre-rooted version (ROM). The OTA and NC4 tar file have a different bootloader which prevents downgrading. I've had no problems with battery or signal on NC4, keep in mind that people usually post when they have problems but rarely pay when things are working fine.
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Now that is good to know. Thanks. So I can assume that the bootloader from retail 4.3 MJE is what I want to keep...even if I move to a 4.4.2 NC2 or NC4 rom?
Lexus One said:
Now that is good to know. Thanks. So I can assume that the bootloader from retail 4.3 MJE is what I want to keep...even if I move to a 4.4.2 NC2 or NC4 rom?
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The NC2 bootloader is really the one to be on. The basic steps can be found in the install instructions in this ROM thread, you can use any ROM, it doesn't have to be Jasmine. Just use steps 1-12. More detailed instructions can be found in this thread but use the Odin files from the first thread.
Now that we have lollipop for note 3 is there a root method
NO
Don't expect one until the JasmineROM dev releases MultiSystem. For that we need to wait for Verizon/Samsung to release the firmware. Could be about a week from now at least, 2 at most.
simcardslot said:
Don't expect one until the JasmineROM dev releases MultiSystem. For that we need to wait for Verizon/Samsung to release the firmware. Could be about a week from now at least, 2 at most.
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Thanks for the info...waiting patiently...
No root is not possible after nc4 it may never be possible to root we will most likely get a pre rooted rom able to be loaded on the nc4 bootloader
So when should we expect root for the note 3 running lollipop? Now that lollipop is out for the Verizon note 3 I mean.
Ask the Note 4 people. They have been waiting for root on lollipop longer and nothing yet. Expect nothing but there is always hope.
simcardslot said:
Don't expect one until the JasmineROM dev releases MultiSystem. For that we need to wait for Verizon/Samsung to release the firmware. Could be about a week from now at least, 2 at most.
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Multisystem isn't a root, its something like safestrap
raze5115 said:
So when should we expect root for the note 3 running lollipop? Now that lollipop is out for the Verizon note 3 I mean.
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Don't expect it, Lollipop is some serious biz and the security is tougher than ever which is good
mirrin said:
No root is not possible after nc4 it may never be possible to root we will most likely get a pre rooted rom able to be loaded on the nc4 bootloader
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On it be able to load on the NC4 bl is a story untold yet though
Reilly1812 said:
Ask the Note 4 people. They have been waiting for root on lollipop longer and nothing yet. Expect nothing but there is always hope.
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Never expect anything just hope for it
Being able to boot from NC4 bootloader would be a plus! Then I can go back and forth between that and my trustworthy 4.4.2 ROM. Lolipop might not be able to load from an old bootloader though. We shall see.
christianpeso said:
Being able to boot from NC4 bootloader would be a plus! Then I can go back and forth between that and my trustworthy 4.4.2 ROM. Lolipop might not be able to load from an old bootloader though. We shall see.
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It was done before probably can be done again, not sure if they updated the bootloader just yet
Yeah that would be nice if we could go back to 4.4.2 where there was root for Android
CovXX said:
It was done before probably can be done again, not sure if they updated the bootloader just yet
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That was a while ago when it was done. 4.4.4 can not boot from NC4 firmware so more than likely 5.0 wont be able to do it either.
From reading HSBADRs thread, its looking like NC4 would be replaced by whatever the newest version is. There is no going back once you take his Lolipop ROM. So no backing up your 4.4.2 ROM before moving on because it wont work anymore. Safestrap will be gone as well and you will only have stock recovery.
Once you make that move to Lolipop, there is no going back to any of the previous ROMS that were released. That is a big commitment.
So no root for a while yet?
Hi all,
It's been a long time since I've been on this forum, but my Jellybean 4.3 Note 3 is lagging and has bluetooth issues, so time to upgrade the ROM. What's the best way to do so, and how do I preserve the unlocked bootloader and rooted condition of the phone. Is it possible to go beyond 4.4.2 and preserve root, or must I stop there at Kitkat? I'm not running Safestrap, just plain old retail 4.3 rooted. What's the best path to the highest version of Android I can use but still keep unlocked bootloader and rooted? thanks in advance for the help.
android94301 said:
Hi all,
It's been a long time since I've been on this forum, but my Jellybean 4.3 Note 3 is lagging and has bluetooth issues, so time to upgrade the ROM. What's the best way to do so, and how do I preserve the unlocked bootloader and rooted condition of the phone. Is it possible to go beyond 4.4.2 and preserve root, or must I stop there at Kitkat? I'm not running Safestrap, just plain old retail 4.3 rooted. What's the best path to the highest version of Android I can use but still keep unlocked bootloader and rooted? thanks in advance for the help.
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Your ONLY path to keep root permanently is 4.4.2 There is a rooted ROM for 4.4.4 (and Jasmine 6.1 rooted) but you can NOT reinstall it or reroot it if something ever goes wrong.
All retail Verizon Note 3's have a locked bootloader. Even yours.
However...if all you are seeing is lagging, you can totally clear cache from recovery and/or factory reset to 4.3 and re-root it and that may fix all your current problems...or not.
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donc113 said:
Your ONLY path to keep root permanently is 4.4.2 There is a rooted ROM for 4.4.4 (and Jasmine 6.1 rooted) but you can NOT reinstall it or reroot it if something ever goes wrong.
All retail Verizon Note 3's have a locked bootloader. Even yours.
However...if all you are seeing is lagging, you can totally clear cache from recovery and/or factory reset to 4.3 and re-root it and that may fix all your current problems...or not.
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I'd keep 4.3, except there is the bluetooth stack error where the bluetooth has a known problem, the mac addresses fill up the bluetooth stack, and then bluetooth fails, and needs manual hacking to fix it.
So it sounds like 4.4.2 is the way to go. Is that a stock ROM or a custom ROM?
android94301 said:
I'd keep 4.3, except there is the bluetooth stack error where the bluetooth has a known problem, the mac addresses fill up the bluetooth stack, and then bluetooth fails, and needs manual hacking to fix it.
So it sounds like 4.4.2 is the way to go. Is that a stock ROM or a custom ROM?
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Deodexed and debloated but otherwise stock
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2787627
It's what I am using but I flashed the NK1 modem (from 4.4.4) which works great.
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