sorry, i asked something similar, but htc has a triage fee for when you send in your phone, and if its not covered they charge you money. i want to know to make sure, what would they actually say is not covered by their warranty for te g1. im having a software problem, but im scared they're going to say something like i dropped it, and thats what messed up the phone. they wouldnt do anything like that would they?
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sorry, i asked something similar, but htc has a triage fee for when you send in your phone, and if its not covered they charge you money. i want to know to make sure, what would they actually say is not covered by their warranty for te g1. im having a software problem, but im scared they're going to say something like i dropped it, and thats what messed up the phone. they wouldnt do anything like that would they?
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As far as I know, improper use of your phone (Dropping it, throwing it etc.), water damage, and things caused by third party firmware (i.e. brick from flashing an spl) are the only things not covered.... and one of them you can play stupid about (Though this is not the best way, and doesn't always work).
o yes, but i mean, they cant possibly know if you dropped it, unless theres like a dent in it right
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o yes, but i mean, they cant possibly know if you dropped it, unless theres like a dent in it right
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Technically, I guess not. But really what are you dropping it on that it would damage the functionality without damaging the hardware too?
nothing, i just want to make sure they wont say that there has been damage done to it, when theres absolutley no way you could tell if it was dropped or something since everything looks just like its new
OK I understand if I root my phone I void my warranty. Its our phone It does no harm in rooting our cell phones especially if its not against the law. so anyways I can undo anything that I did to the phone. So as long as the phone still turns on I can undo everything to get it warrantbut lets say the phone breaks. bad mother board and the phone wont turn on. could they find out my phones been hacked and deny my warranty.
its one thing that breaking the phone do to your negligence but its another when something breaks and its not your fault. something that would have broke if it was not your fault. If Its my fault then I would man up and deal with my mistakes.
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OK I understand if I root my phone I void my warranty. Its our phone It does no harm in rooting our cell phones especially if its not against the law. so anyways I can undo anything that I did to the phone. So as long as the phone still turns on I can undo everything to get it warrantbut lets say the phone breaks. bad mother board and the phone wont turn on. could they find out my phones been hacked and deny my warranty.
its one thing that breaking the phone do to your negligence but its another when something breaks and its not your fault. something that would have broke if it was not your fault. If Its my fault then I would man up and deal with my mistakes.
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if its a mobo problem and it wont turn on, no way to find out it was rooted unless they got it to turn back on.
My SGS died yesterday, completely dead. Dont react to charging, nothing. I rooted it as soon as I bought it and used Darkyy ROM, but flashed it with samsungs stock 2.3.3 room after formating it a couple a days back.
Will Samsung be able to detect that I rooted it earlier? and refuse warrenty. It was not "rooted" at the time it died.
Best regards,
Edit: The "death" was unrelated to any flashing/rooting/installing. It was just lying on the table, when the screen got a bluish hue and then when I pulled the battery (wouldnt react) it was dead.
does it go in download mode or recovery mode ????
Nope, it wont react to anything. Absolutely no signs of life no matter what I do. Battery is charged, or at least it was when it died.
Warranty as Samsung have not released 2.3.3 its a custom rom .
No warranty chargeable repair .
Act dumb just say it died and hope for the best .
jje
JJEgan said:
Warranty as Samsung have not released 2.3.3 its a custom rom .
No warranty chargeable repair .
Act dumb just say it died and hope for the best .
jje
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I downloaded the firmware from samfirmware.com, I thought that was the original one. Ooopppsss :/
Crap, but I think this is a hardware failure.
Edit: This is from their site:
Q: When i use one of your firmwares and i flash my phone, do i lose my quarantee?
A: Yes and no, if you do it right there will be no problems about guarantee
but if phone get brick under flash you will lose it
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Edit: The "death" was unrelated to any flashing/rooting/installing. It was just lying on the table, when the screen got a bluish hue and then when I pulled the battery (wouldnt react) it was dead.
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first, can u get download/recovery modes at all
second have u tried the usb jig
now according to my understanding if the reason was hardware failure -as u suggest, it doesnt matter if u rooted the device or not as long as it is under the warranty time
so its their responsibility to repair it for u. having said that, if they could boot the device on its current situation they might start *****ing with u.
finally, my advise is to make sure that it is unrecoverable in any mean before sending it
hope that i helped & good luck
Just act really dumb. Dont tell them anything. Just say it just stopped working. If they ask you what firmware is on it ( which they wont but you never know) just say you updated a while back using KIES and you dont know what firmware it is, just that you think its the latest.
But if they dont ask anything, well dont tell them anything right
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"Just act really dumb"...
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Shouldn't be to hard
PaAra said:
I downloaded the firmware from samfirmware.com, I thought that was the original one. Ooopppsss :/
Nothing to do with Samsung Original is as provided ny network phone supplier .
Crap, but I think this is a hardware failure.
Technically any non standard firmware invalidates warranty however in practice stock firmware seems to be OK but custom rom will be charged .However it would need to be the correct rom for the phone and Gingerbread has not been released by Samsung yet .
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I thought that 2.3.3 was briefly released on Kies, then pulled off again? I know it was only available in a few areas, and for a short time at that.... but that does mean that it is possible to have it legitimately. (can someone else confirm this memory is correct?)
Probably worth trying a jig if you want to be sure it isn't easily fixable. If that doesn't work, then you are probably looking at a new mainboard so current rom would be irrelevant.
(do a search on forums for jig... It is a USB plug with a resistor inside that switches unit into a special mode.)
But I'd think you were safe to send it in, with only a pretty low chance of them wanting to charge you.
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I thought that 2.3.3 was briefly released on Kies, then pulled off again? I know it was only available in a few areas, and for a short time at that.... but that does mean that it is possible to have it legitimately. (can someone else confirm this memory is correct?)
Correct but if you take a phone to be repaired under warranty how can a Nordic firmware release be valid in the UK or elsewhere .
Position with what we call stock rom is not very clear .
Buy a phone from Vodaphone they have adapted the firmware put stock on that and Vodaphone are within their rights to say you have tampered with the firmware no warranty . Samsung themselves would almost certainly honour the warranty .
Custom rom = no warranty full stop and flashing any form of firmware technically invalidates warranty if it could be proven .
Best user position is to have a backup of original firmware .
jje
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And what do u mean by backup of your original firmware? spoof kies to instal the firmware based on your product code?
Just send it in and act dumb.. If it really is a serious hardware fault like you suggest, it's unlikely they would be able to find out what firmware you have installed anyway
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xpcomputers said:
I thought that 2.3.3 was briefly released on Kies, then pulled off again? I know it was only available in a few areas, and for a short time at that.... but that does mean that it is possible to have it legitimately. (can someone else confirm this memory is correct?)
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Correct but if you take a phone to be repaired under warranty how can a Nordic firmware release be valid in the UK or elsewhere .
Position with what we call stock rom is not very clear .
Buy a phone from Vodaphone they have adapted the firmware put stock on that and Vodaphone are within their rights to say you have tampered with the firmware no warranty . Samsung themselves would almost certainly honour the warranty .
Custom rom = no warranty full stop and flashing any form of firmware technically invalidates warranty if it could be proven .
Best user position is to have a backup of original firmware .
jje
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My memory was that this firmware was released in UK briefly (not Nordic)... but my memory isn't perfect and I can't remember where I read that, so I could be wrong.
However, that isn't important in this case in my opinion (as you say, this would in theory only help with those in the UK or whichever country it was).
What is more important in this case, is if the hardware is failed to the point where the system won't power on, and needs a mainboard replacement..... then which firmware you have is probably irrelevant, as it is most likely they won't attempt to look. (It is admittedly a gamble though... but one I'd personally take in that scenario!)
Regarding stock firmwares from other countries other than your own, that is a greyer area, as you might still be covered, maybe someone knows better on Samsung's policy on that? Probably depends on how internationally minded they are... but my SGS is a UK unit because I'm from there, but I recently moved to NZ, so if I ever needed a warranty fix, would I have to send it back to the UK with a UK firmware on? Or could I take it here locally with a UK or NZ firmware? If I decided to put an NZ firmware on it, would it make a difference where I could get it repaired?
Beyond the Warranty, there is also consumer law in many countries, and I think if your hardware has failed, but you have an alternative firmware that can be shown to have no impact on the unit, you might still be able to get your unit fixed for free, if your firmware upgrade hasn't caused the mainboard or whatever to fail. Companies try to impose strict rules upon you to cover their backs (and give them plenty of wriggle room to escape liability!), which is fair enough where your modifications damage the unit, but where the changes you make don't affect things, then their rules don't always count. For example, many PCs come with a warranty sticker on which says "Warranty void if removed"... yet in many countries, they can't normally cancel your warranty if you've put more ram in your computer (as long as that wasn't why your machine died!). They might try to tell you that your warranty was void, but they wouldn't get far as it would normally be an unfair clause against your consumer rights. PCs are designed to be upgraded, and they can't make you use their service centre for the job as long as you didn't damage it.
Similar situation with third-party inks on a printer and them saying it might invalidate your warranty. Although admittedly that is a greyer area, as third party inks DO sometimes damage the printer. Say if a motor died, they couldn't claim your third party inks did it so your warranty is void, unless there was evidence that the inks had leaked and corroded something.
Not sure if anyone has tested this situation in practice though by speaking to consumer law experts if a warranty was ever turned down because of a custom rom. I'm sure someone who knew the law would be able to advise better where that line was. I can see that a new rom could be seen as modifying the unit for purposes which it wasn't designed for... but equally you could probably argue that the custom rom was fixing errors the manufacturer had left in which made the unit not function as intended (like GPS fixes etc), and therefore shouldn't invalidate the warranty.
If I was the OP in this case, I'd send it in and take the risk, especially since it is a stock firmware (even if it was not installed by Kies).
I would take the risk as well .
One user last week was turned away from a warranty claim due to a custom rom on his phone .
Hardware failure guess service may never boot the phone .
Non hardware failure or if service boots the phone then not much you can do about it if rejected for warranty .
Safest is to have a back up of original firmware but nobody seems to consider that .
jje
I have a friend who works for HTC in a repair centre. Don't know about Samsung, but he says they (in his centre) rarely check the software version of the phone, eventually they reflash it with stock firmware and that's it.
From what I've read, it does seem like a hardware malfunction. Send it in for repair and tell them it just died
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I would take the risk as well .
One user last week was turned away from a warranty claim due to a custom rom on his phone .
Hardware failure guess service may never boot the phone .
Non hardware failure or if service boots the phone then not much you can do about it if rejected for warranty .
Safest is to have a back up of original firmware but nobody seems to consider that .
jje
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You might get turned away in the first instance, but that doesn't mean that the service centre are right from a legal perspective. And it doesn't mean you couldn't argue your case and succeed in getting it fixed for free. I admit it is a grey area... but I personally wouldn't accept their position if they turned me away for having a custom rom on there if I felt I could show that it hadn't caused the problem. Equally, I would only return it without stock rom in the first place, if there was no way to return to stock... and that means a serious hardware failure or a software bootloader one. The software one wouldn't leave me a leg to stand on, and the hardware one I'd fight every time!
But then I'm also a cautious soul too, and have so far only used Kies to update, and am therefore currently on JPY... but the custom roms will come at some point!
Thank you all for advices
I contacted the shop where I bought my SGS and they again contacted Samsung. I am to send my SGS to them and then wait for "judgment" I guess. Hope ofcourse they want refuse warranty, but if they do I have no idea how much it will cost me, probably be better off buying a SGS II (doubt my wallet will allow that though.... )
Let you know what happens.
Again thanks for advices
I bricked my SGS twice. Nothing worked anymore.
Went back to the retailer where i bought it and simply told them: It crashed and would not react anymore to any hardware buttons of what so ever.. AND!.... twice the sended it to repair without any charge. So it wil be most likely that they will reflash it for you for free
Mine was reflashed twice
I bricked mine twice (rooted my phone and did a bit to much of modification) and twice they flashed new firmware to it.. without any costs. (told them a stupid lie )
I personaly think that if your phone does not boot, how can they see what you've done to it.
So most likely that will be your case to.
Hi All,
I rooted and installed the android revolution ROM last week and lastnight I stood on my note 2 which has messed up the screen. I can see about 1/10th of the screen. If it gets sent back for repair am I screwed? I was going to install a stock ROM and reset the counter using chainfires software but this will be near impossible.
Any advice?
One would think that they'll realise that a broken screen cannot be caused by a modified ROM.
However I doubt that standing on the screen is covered by warranty anyway so either way I think you'll have to pay for repair
Cloudane said:
One would think that they'll realise that a broken screen cannot be caused by a modified ROM.
However I doubt that standing on the screen is covered by warranty anyway so either way I think you'll have to pay for repair
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I have the phone insured so they will either repair it or replace it. If it gets sent back for repair I'm hoping they don't check if the phone is rooted and send it back saying we will not repair as it has been rooted. I think i'll just have to take my chances.
Top half of my screen suddenly goes bad out of no where!!
Anyone had this happened to them? Half of my screen now flickering, showing weird lines, unreadable stuff, and constantly flickering, and turning off. I can't even keep it on for more than 5 seconds.
Please see this video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2UhwqgZMmY
I can only think of RMA. .
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I hope your device is in warranty.
What happened to you makes me think twice before flashing custom roms, tripping knox and voiding the warranty (which I already tripped and voided)
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I hope your device is in warranty.
What happened to you makes me think twice before flashing custom roms, tripping knox and voiding the warranty (which I already tripped and voided)
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All of those are software related customization. This problem I am having is strictly hardware. The AMOLED screen panel is internally damage somehow that cause it to messed up like that.
Flashing, rooting, tripping knox or whatever won't cause this. A lot of people get this wrong and blame on modifying the ROM as part of the cause but one must understand the difference between the 2 before making judgment.
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All of those are software related customization. This problem I am having is strictly hardware. The AMOLED screen panel is internally damage somehow that cause it to messed up like that.
Flashing, rooting, tripping knox or whatever won't cause this. A lot of people get this wrong and blame on modifying the ROM as part of the cause but one must understand the difference between the 2 before making judgment.
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Yeah, I know that.
I meant that messing with the software (flashing, rooting, tripping knox) voids the warranty, and if a hardware problems occurs (irrelevant to your flashing activities), such as in your case, you 'll be left without a warranty (although you didn't cause it)
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Yeah, I know that.
I meant that messing with the software (flashing, rooting, tripping knox) voids the warranty, and if a hardware problems occurs (irrelevant to your flashing activities), such as in your case, you 'll be left without a warranty (although you didn't cause it)
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we'll see about that from Samsung.
Knox 0x1?
They will probably offer a "very competitive" out-of-warranty repair price.
Got a free replacement tablet from Samsung! Bravo!
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Got a free replacement tablet from Samsung! Bravo!
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Oh man! That is killer! I have never heard of them doing that, but I have never heard of such a catastrophic failure on a Samsung tablet That kind of result will make ya a Samsung customer for life!
mine doing the same thing and its rooted so know is voided. i called samsung and they gave me an RMA to ship it back. lets see what will happen
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mine doing the same thing and its rooted so know is voided. i called samsung and they gave me an RMA to ship it back. lets see what will happen
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Hopefully, they will provide the same solution for your case. Keep us posted, and good luck! This kind of hardware failure should never happen with a top end device like this.
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Hopefully, they will provide the same solution for your case. Keep us posted, and good luck! This kind of hardware failure should never happen with a top end device like this.
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in my experience from years past, nobody that takes these returns really cares about root or custom ROMS when there is a hardware problem. The customer is usually shipped a refurbished model immediately while the damaged unit goes back for repair. By the time it gets to someone whos smart enough or loyal enough to care about root, the customer already has their refurb. when i sent in my droid x2 for repair it would ALWAYS boot to recovery options on first boot, then you would have to tell it to boot normally and it would. i was fine with it but forgot about that when i went to get it repaired....
they asked me "whats that green stuff on the screen?"
me: oh nothing.... *presses -boot normally- button*
"does it do that every time?!"
me: yeah but i dont care
"wow that must be annoying!".
then they shipped it off for repair and i got my refurb.
i dont think manufacturers or service providers care as much about root as many people think. they do a lot to prevent it sometimes but I have never had an issue on getting warranty services on a rooted device.
keeping in mind that none of those warranty services were because of software problems... every phone had something wrong with it physically.
Agreed, most phone warranties are like cars. It under warranty unless the "mod" could have possibly caused the problem.