This is a great phone.... - X 2014 General

This is a great phone.... - X 2014 General

I was an iPhone user originally....from the first one in 2007 to the iPhone 4 in 2010. Then I switched and never looked back. Since 2010 I've owned an HTC Inspire, Galaxy S2, HTC One M7, and as of April 1st...The Moto X2.
One thing all those Androids had in common...was that within about a month of owning them I would always root and flash a stock-ish ROM of some sort...usually CM. I've always gazed with too tight of a budget at the Nexus phones...but really $100-$200 is what I'm willing to invest so contract phones have been my go to.
Wasn't eligible for the original moto x but jumped on the chance to pick this one up. I don't even have the desire to root anymore...and the fact that I can't with an At&t phone anyway right now..if ever, makes it even easier.
I'm honestly not sure how I ever got thru life up to this point without Active Display. It's stock android...but a little bit better.

If this phone had a good camera and above average battery life, the only thing that could beat it is its successor. Alas it has crappy battery life and the camera is terrible.

barondebxl said:
If this phone had a good camera and above average battery life, the only thing that could beat it is its successor. Alas it has crappy battery life and the camera is terrible.
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I can only make the comparison to what I had before the Moto X which was the HTC M7...and the camera and battery life are both an improvement for me...so I'm happy.

Changed from the G3 to this and have been very VERY happy. G3 was a POS from ground up in my opinion. First touchscreen smartphone was an iPhone 3G and then got a OG Droid....never looked back. I as well as the OP almost have no need or desire to even root this. Sure there are a few things like exposed I'd like but don't really need them. Dark UI would be great but don't really need it either. Just...happy. Last Moto phone I had was pretty google and mine was made by Lenovo since its a carrier one and I got mine the first part of April too. VZW Moto X 2nd gen using Straight Talk VZW. Perfect combo for me.
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barondebxl said:
If this phone had a good camera and above average battery life, the only thing that could beat it is its successor. Alas it has crappy battery life and the camera is terrible.
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this camera takes stunning pictures in great light. it is in poor lighting conditions where it sucks. i took some pictures last weekend in broad daylight and some friends of mine were convinced i used my dslr.
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The Moto X 2014 is the 5th Android phone I've owned. (HTC Desire, LG Optimus G, HTC one S, Nexus 5). The camera on this phone is the best camera I've had on an Android phone yet. It certainly isn't the best camera available of any available smart phone, but I think it might be a bit of a stretch to say that it's "terrible". I find that I am using the camera much more than I ever have on any of my previous phones. Just my two cents, for whatever that's worth

I agree the camera is not terrible on the contrary it takes superb shots in daylight and it's getting better with 5.1 in dark conditions

badams1 said:
but really $100-$200 is what I'm willing to invest so contract phones have been my go to.
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I take it you have an older UDP line?
On the newer Mobile Share plans with 10GB or more of data, it is typically a better deal to go with a full retail phone like the N6 because of the $25/mo line access discount for month-to-month lines.
$25/mo discount is $600 savings over 24 months. Then when you figure in the savings in the communications tax as well as that it reduces the base that AT&T calculates the federal universal service charge on, the savings easily comes to $650, which is the price of a 32GB N6 before sales tax. So you end up getting the N6 for only the price of the sales tax on $650 when you factor in the savings from the $25/mo line access discount over the course of 24 months. Where I live that would mean you could get an N6 for $40.
Compare that to a contract phone where you pay the subsidized price, the sales tax on the subsidized price (except in CA and MA where you pay the sales tax on the full retail price) and the upgrade fee. An N6 on contract would be $250 + $40 upgrade fee + sales tax = $305.
Again, if you have a UDP line, then this doesn't apply to you. But for those on the Mobile Share plans with 10GB or more of data, staying off contract is typically the way to go.

JulesJam said:
I take it you have an older UDP line?
On the newer Mobile Share plans with 10GB or more of data, it is typically a better deal to go with a full retail phone like the N6 because of the $25/mo line access discount for month-to-month lines.
$25/mo discount is $600 savings over 24 months. Then when you figure in the savings in the communications tax as well as that it reduces the base that AT&T calculates the federal universal service charge on, the savings easily comes to $650, which is the price of a 32GB N6 before sales tax. So you end up getting the N6 for only the price of the sales tax on $650 when you factor in the savings from the $25/mo line access discount over the course of 24 months. Where I live that would mean you could get an N6 for $40.
Compare that to a contract phone where you pay the subsidized price, the sales tax on the subsidized price (except in CA and MA where you pay the sales tax on the full retail price) and the upgrade fee. An N6 on contract would be $250 + $40 upgrade fee + sales tax = $305.
Again, if you have a UDP line, then this doesn't apply to you. But for those on the Mobile Share plans with 10GB or more of data, staying off contract is typically the way to go.
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You are correct...I have an older family plan that is no longer offered...as well as unlimited data on all three lines. I was initially pumped that At&t was going to offer the N6 in-store....until the thing came out and I saw how big it was. To me personally...the moto x2 is the size the N6 should have been. I held and played with both extensively before making my decision and im glad I went the moto x2....the N6 is just too big for my tastes.

This is a great phone. I also have the S6, but I'm used to having no carrier bloat. The camera is more than capable when the lighting is good...it is only terrible in low light settings.
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I kick my self everyday for not waiting for the Nexus 6 on VZW. Buying this phone was one of the worst decisions ive ever made. Good thing I only paid $80 for it

Yeah, for me it is an outstanding phone. The best android phone I've had for sure. I love the quality of the materials and I love the stock android.
The camera is OK for me. I'm not a professional photographer and I like overall the quality of the pictures.
For me as I said, I like the aesthetics of the phone and the materials (i have the one with the black front and black back rubber), simply beautiful.

Bottom pic is the S6 scaled down to 12mp. I got the S6 for the camera, but the X feels better in hand and more fluid. Hope Lenova helps improve the camera software on the next X
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badams1 said:
To me personally...the moto x2 is the size the N6 should have been. I held and played with both extensively before making my decision and im glad I went the moto x2....the N6 is just too big for my tastes.
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The Moto Maxx XT1225 works on AT&T and it is basically the Droid Turbo with an unlockable bootloader. A bit too thick and heavy for me though. Great camera and battery though!
Many say this was another contender for the Nexus 6 but I don't think so. I think it was always going to be the Droid Turbo a Verizon exclusive in the US.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1853481-Moto-Maxx-(XT1225)-my-quot-Nexus-6-quot-)

badams1 said:
One thing all those Androids had in common...was that within about a month of owning them I would always root and flash a stock-ish ROM of some sort...usually CM. I've always gazed with too tight of a budget at the Nexus phones...but really $100-$200 is what I'm willing to invest so contract phones have been my go to.
I'm honestly not sure how I ever got thru life up to this point without Active Display. It's stock android...but a little bit better.
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Just wait until you get the itch to try out CM on the X. Honestly, I'm preferring it to the stock experience at this point. Ambient display > moto display (personal preference) and crpalmer has implemented almost all the stock features (double twist for camera and the IR sensors to wake the device are almost ready, wave to silence call has been implemented too) besides the always on listening at this point.
It's a solid device and the battery has been more than good for me after my tweaking and usage (hit 5 hours SoT on several occasions over a 16 hour day), but the low light camera leaves much to be desired. I'm seriously on the fence about picking up an S6 in the coming days

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Just wait until you get the itch to try out CM on the X. Honestly, I'm preferring it to the stock experience at this point. Ambient display > moto display (personal preference) and crpalmer has implemented almost all the stock features (double twist for camera and the IR sensors to wake the device are almost ready, wave to silence call has been implemented too) besides the always on listening at this point.
It's a solid device and the battery has been more than good for me after my tweaking and usage (hit 5 hours SoT on several occasions over a 16 hour day), but the low light camera leaves much to be desired. I'm seriously on the fence about picking up an S6 in the coming days
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I considered the GS6 as it was coming out around the time of my upgrade. However...from what I have read, Samsung using their own SOC is going to make it difficult for AOSP or CM based ROMs to be made...

badams1 said:
I considered the GS6 as it was coming out around the time of my upgrade. However...from what I have read, Samsung using their own SOC is going to make it difficult for AOSP or CM based ROMs to be made...
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This is likely to be true. However, traditionally the exynos SoC has seen some development in the past and it's not entirely for certain that the phone will see zero development. I think it will help that the S6 is going to be extremely popular, paired with the fact that every device variant will be using the same processor -- there won't be a qualcomm US version and an exynos international version -- they'll all be exynos. Also, the community itself plays a large part in the development. Even though the x is basically a smaller Nexus 6, development for this device is extremely light and basically we have to choose from either CM or... CM

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Samsung using their own SOC is going to make it difficult for AOSP or CM based ROMs to be made...
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Not to mention root and unlock.

S6 already has root for int'l and Tmobile
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I don't think this is a great phone. Horrendous battery, terrible camera and slow and laggy to use (although I'm hoping this will be fixed with android 5.1). Overall I think the phone is OK.

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Upcoming Incredible 4g model...

As, I approach my upgrade time. I am pondering my options... and wondering what others are thinking.
When I first read about this phone model (the upcoming Incredible 4g), I was not not especially impressed. But with more leaked info, I wonder is this actually my ideal (or very near ideal) phone.
1. It supposedly will have the S4 Krait processor. This is an upgrade over anything currently on Verizon. I didn't realize that it was going to get this processor. If it doesn't have this processor, then I really don't have any interest. I thought the Incredible 4g was just a smaller Rezound. I was wrong. This processor is an improvement over phones like the Rezound and G Nexus.
2. I have not liked the idea of the newer phones eliminating the SD card. This phone will have a SD card slot... plus 8 gigs internal.
3. It will have a removable battery, another thing that myself and many others have not liked about other new models coming out. I have managed to get excellent life out of my stock Dinc1 battery... but I've always been happy to know that there are bigger replacements available if I wanted them... or if the stock battery were to get weak with age.
4. I am torn by the manufacturers making screens bigger and bigger on phones (and with greater and greater numbers of pixels to control and illuminate). Those screens sure look nice... but I'm not crazy about how much power they use. The Incredible 4g has a qHD 4" screen, so it should look nice enough, and not use that much juice (compared to the 720p phones with 4.7" screens). Also importantly to me, it will be comfortable to stick in my pockets. I just don't watch movies or TV shows on my phone. Yeah, I've done it, just to do it. But, I've got more comfortable options... like our couch and plasma TV (or even our computers).
5. Integrated LTE on the chip? 4g speeds... less battery usage than current 4g phones... thaz awesome...
6. 1gig RAM... same as everything else out there...
7. Nice enough camera (same as ONE series)... Beats (meh whatever)... etc...
8. I do play games, to kill time on my phone, but I often tend to prefer the casual type puzzle games. High performance gaming isn't especially important to me, but still this phone should be nicely capable of playing most games very well.
I know this phone does not follow the "slim and sexy" trend that is happening in phone fashion. I just wonder if I am the only weirdo "anti-fashion" person out there. Plus it looks to be reasonably priced. Anybody else think this phone looks preferable than the other new options coming?
And most importantly... anybody think this phone will get good developer support? Just wondering how others view this phone...

I also approach my upgrade time (I think its in June) and as it approaches I'm paying more attention to what's out there. This new incredible seems to hit all the right spots. The only thing I wish it had wad a 720p screen. Qhd certainly isn't a deal breaker though.
I'm eagerly awaiting the announcement of the Incredible 4G. However I'm also waiting to see what the Galaxy S3 has to offer. I may end up waiting a little longer for that. I dont mind morw waiting as I love my incredible and its simply the best phone I've ever owned.
If my incredible broke today and I was offered an early upgrade id probably opt for a Razr Maxx.
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Div033 said:
I also approach my upgrade time (I think its in June) and as it approaches I'm paying more attention to what's out there. This new incredible seems to hit all the right spots. The only thing I wish it had wad a 720p screen. Qhd certainly isn't a deal breaker though.
I'm eagerly awaiting the announcement of the Incredible 4G. However I'm also waiting to see what the Galaxy S3 has to offer. I may end up waiting a little longer for that. I dont mind morw waiting as I love my incredible and its simply the best phone I've ever owned.
If my incredible broke today and I was offered an early upgrade id probably opt for a Razr Maxx.
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Does the early upgrade cost more ?
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Alton (Halo 2) said:
Does the early upgrade cost more ?
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Can't tell ya. I've never been offered one!
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Does the early upgrade cost more ?
not exactly. early upgrade is an incentive.
verizon emailed me an early upgrade offer for 50 bucks off any new phone last week...
and today snail mailed me an offer for 100 dollars off.
they just want you contracting another 2 years... thats where the real money is at.

My upgrade was up the first of April, and I watched it go by. Honestly, for what I really do with the phone it just didn't make sense to drop the coin on something new that would meet or exceed some of my expectations but let me down in others.
One of the biggest drawbacks to most of these phones coming out (IMO....) is the size of em. Damn, if I wanted an Ipad, I'd buy the dang thing.... These new phones look beautiful but having to wear a hubcap around my waist because it won't fit in my pockets anymore, I just don't dig.
I have been so pleased with the first gen INC that when I heard the INC 4g was coming out, and the screen size, man, I said that's the ticket, faster, and still good size, removable batt, sd card, I'm in, I'm all in......

You raise a very good argument on the OP. The only thing I would need is a guarantee that Devs will get CM9 running on it. My Dinc right now is perfect with CM9.

Not sure how many Inc devs can or will get the Inc 4g due to all getting the rezound. And there's no guarantee of anything before its done. Most likely it will get cm9 but don't quote me on that.
And ics, while OK on the Inc is far from perfect. Camcorder and video don't work 100% on cm9. One of the reasons I got the nexus is to have the best initial support with ICS working smooth without any complex porting.
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I'm glad to see some people with something positive to say about this phone. There has been a lot of bad reaction out there for what ever reason. I suspect its people just not understanding about the processor. I've got an upgrade on the 25th, and this thing is supposed to hit the 26th. I'm pretty excited.
I'll probably use it the first month pretty much stock, and then start branching out as things become available. Also looking forward to CM9. I may keep a recovery around to play with and one for actual use with 100% function. If it doesn't come with a 32 gb class 10 sd card, that will be my first upgrade to it. Hoping they pack a nice battery in it.
I think as a OneS variant, there won't be too much difficulty finding devs to take interest.

dezignstuff said:
I'm glad to see some people with something positive to say about this phone. There has been a lot of bad reaction out there for what ever reason. I suspect its people just not understanding about the processor. I've got an upgrade on the 25th, and this thing is supposed to hit the 26th. I'm pretty excited.
I'll probably use it the first month pretty much stock, and then start branching out as things become available. Also looking forward to CM9. I may keep a recovery around to play with and one for actual use with 100% function. If it doesn't come with a 32 gb class 10 sd card, that will be my first upgrade to it. Hoping they pack a nice battery in it.
I think as a OneS variant, there won't be too much difficulty finding devs to take interest.
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Well we have 4 days til launch, almost 3, and we've received no word of demo units coming in. So unless they come in tomorrow, I'm doubting that April 26th launch. Perhaps that's when the demo units are coming in? I believe the leaked documents did say "Device workshop" on April 26th.(Although I'm not all too sure what that is). It definitely should be coming within the next two weeks if it misses that release date though.
This phone will certainly be the perfect phone for me when it comes out, if the rumored specs are true. Really hoping this phone gets good dev support too.

We've been discussing the Incredible 4G for a while over in this thread, and I'll repeat my overall opinion here: When this phone comes out it will be hands-down the best phone available on Verizon. All of the websites out there that call it mid-range are out of their minds.
Here are some thoughts I have on some of the OP's points:
iowabeakster said:
I thought the Incredible 4g was just a smaller Rezound. I was wrong. This processor is an improvement over phones like the Rezound and G Nexus.
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The processor is not the only improvement over the Rezound... there are so many more. The only reason people compare this phone to the Rezound is the aesthetic similarity. That's really the only thing these two phones have in common.
iowabeakster said:
It will have a removable battery
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That is likely, but not a given. Early reports were able to 100% confirm some things like "yes, it has a microSD slot." Those reports didn't come right out and say that the battery is removable though. But, they did say that the backplates are interchangeable, which is a good indication that we'll have battery access
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Nice enough camera (same as ONE series)
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The camera on the One series (and very very likely this phone too) is much better than "Nice enough". It is amazing. Engadget called the One S "the best Android cameraphone we've seen yet"
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I know this phone does not follow the "slim and sexy" trend that is happening in phone fashion.
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It certainly wont be sexy... it's an Incredible. Have you seen these things?
That said, it will be slim and light. Probably not as much as the One S (because this one needs LTE and the One S probably has a little more room to stuff things because of the bigger screen), but the initial reports are that it is very thin and light.
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Anybody else think this phone looks preferable than the other new options coming?
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On Verizon, absolutely. There is nothing better. That is, as long as you are cool with the smaller screen size
The only reason not to get it is the screen size... A lot of people have been begging for a high-end 4" phone, and now they finally have one. That said, some people just "need" those mammoth 4.5+" screens. If you're one of the latter, then this phone is probably not the best bet.
For everyone else though, this will be the best phone you can get when it comes out... and the price is looking like it will cost less than the original incredible did at release, which is a bonus
the qHD resolution

Specs were leaked today on the droiddoes website. Phone will cost $299 with a contract.
1.2GHz dual-core processor
1GB RAM
Sense 4.0
4-inch Super LCD display at qHD resolution
Storage: 8 gigabytes internal, up to 32GB microSD card
Beats Audio
Pandora
Slacker Radio
8-megapixel rear-facing camera with flash
VGA front-facing camera
4G LTE hotspot
4-inch display
Size: 2.4 x 4.8 x 0.46 inchces
Weight: 4.66 ounces
Battery: 1700 mAh

Any word if the processor is the s4? I hate they were so vague with it
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Any word if the processor is the s4? I hate they were so vague with it
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It has to. There's no way they would release it without the S4 (at least, not for more than like 50 bucks)
Sidenote: I'm a bit bummed by the price. I never really believed the "$100 or $150" rumors, but I was hoping that Verizon would stop the $299 madness and go back to $199 that used to be the standard (and is becoming the standard again on other carriers... look at the new Evo for example)
Althought... the site was never really intended to go live... so maybe they just copied a template and hadn't actually finished with it... i.e. hadn't fixed the price yet.
And for anyone who wants to see the leak itsmefu was talking about...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/23/htc-droid-incredible-4g-lte/
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I hope that price is wrong like you said, I won't pay $330 for that phone. I would rather wait a while and get it a lot cheaper.

demarcmj said:
It has to. There's no way they would release it without the S4 (at least, not for more than like 50 bucks)
Sidenote: I'm a bit bummed by the price. I never really believed the "$100 or $150" rumors, but I was hoping that Verizon would stop the $299 madness and go back to $199 that used to be the standard (and is becoming the standard again on other carriers... look at the new Evo for example)
Althought... the site was never really intended to go live... so maybe they just copied a template and hadn't actually finished with it... i.e. hadn't fixed the price yet.
And for anyone who wants to see the leak itsmefu was talking about...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/23/htc-droid-incredible-4g-lte/
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Despite that leaked page using the Moto template with all the "Droid" branding, I was happy to see that other sources indicate HTC/Verizon have dropped the "Droid" name from the new Inc

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Despite that leaked page using the Moto template with all the "Droid" branding, I was happy to see that other sources indicate HTC/Verizon have dropped the "Droid" name from the new Inc
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What other sources?

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What other sources?
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I remember reading something yesterday but on searching again it appears they were basing that off of photos of device, and my "Droid" Inc doesn't actually have that name anywhere on it either. So nevermind that rumor for now. This link has the photos without the baseless speculation

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I remember reading something yesterday but on searching again it appears they were basing that off of photos of device, and my "Droid" Inc doesn't actually have that name anywhere on it either. So nevermind that rumor for now. This link has the photos without the baseless speculation
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Oh, lol. Yea, I don't think even the Motoroloas actually put "Droid" on the device.

Thanks for the additional info demarcmj. I certainly am not any authority on this phone. If anything I said was untrue, it was unintentional. Mostly I was expressing my opinions about the phone specs, just for myself, and they way I would use it.
I'm glad you shared your thoughts and could bring better detailed info.
For example: The comment about the "nice enough" camera was a little tongue in cheek. It is an excellent camera, for a phone camera. I've got other gear for taking pictures. For me, the camera on my Dinc1 is "nice enough". I really only use it for scanning QR codes.
I'm pretty bummed about the $299 price tag, too. The One X is on ATT for $199.
The Incredible 4g (with its non-HD screen) is not going to sell many units at $299. That is craziness, Verizon.

OPPO Find 5

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What do you guys think of the new Chinese phone that supports USA carriers?
You can view the specs here:
http://en.oppo.com/product/find5/
http://www.oppousa.com/
It's about the size of the Droid DNA, but better. I'm actually thinking of getting this. Doesn't have SD Card but has 16GB and 32GB Version! Great price, and a premium product.

Bad thing is......you have to buy it via western union and/or wire transfer. They do accept Paypal over $300. They sent me this:
For avoid credit card fraud,we don't accept payments for product 300$ or more by Paypal or by credit cards. payments for product 300$ or more must be paid by bank transfer or Western Union MoneyGram. For more information,please visit : http://www.fastcardtech.com/article-9-Payment+Methods.html
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Interesting phone! Looks sorta like a Optimus L9.

SovereignKnight said:
Interesting phone! Looks sorta like a Optimus L9.
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Yeah it does! But the renders of this makes the phone looks huge when in reality its about the size of the DNA. I can't wait till Next Wednesday when they talk about it at one of the Beijing events.

It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
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Also as far as I checked fastcardtech.com is a FRAUD. I would not recommend anyone to use them. It's better to wait for a decent US release and find a relative in Sales TAX Free state OR use some well known taobao middlemen.

looks good on the paper
Looks good on the paper. 1080p for a phone is an overkill if you ask me with today's battery technology. I bet this phone has major draws.

I would consider it if the power button were on the side, I almost never use two hands with my phone and this would annoy me to no end.
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The only thing which bothers me, as a previous Tab 7.7 owner, the lack of software support, I may even sacrifice some hardware stuff for better official or xda community support potential. As far as I see it now the DNA, a major brand product, is nowhere near the Nexus devices in all the development and ROM hacking fuss. Oppo is moving to the global market, thus the good software support is implied but yet to be confirmed.

Actually, the size of the OPPO Find 5 is nowhere near the gargantuan HTC DNA despite sporting the same size screen thanks to an edge-to-edge screen and minimal wasted space at the top and bottom:
HTC DNA: 141 x 70.5 x 9.7 mm (5.55 x 2.78 x 0.38 in)
Oppo Find 5: 129 x 65 x 6.9 mm (5.08 x 2.56 x 0.27 in) <---smaller than HTC One S
The key here is the middle number, at 65 mm wide, it will be VERY easy to do one handed operations. This is a huge HUGE attraction for me as I'm sick of all these phlabets/phlaptops that HTC, Samsung, LG, and others are producing. Increasing screen size is one thing, but the phones are getting so enormous that it becomes very uncomfortable to use. It's ridiculous.

BAD_BOY_KIEV said:
It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
Remember-remember the 12th of December
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Also as far as I checked fastcardtech.com is a FRAUD. I would not recommend anyone to use them. It's better to wait for a decent US release and find a relative in Sales TAX Free state OR use some well known taobao middlemen.
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Yess!! The 12th of December!!! I'm excited for that. And thanks for clearing that up, I kind of figured but it's good to have a second opinion.
cocinci said:
Looks good on the paper. 1080p for a phone is an overkill if you ask me with today's battery technology. I bet this phone has major draws.
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2500 MaH on a IPS display....it's really on how much you use your phone, because IPS is good on battery consumption, I think.
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I would consider it if the power button were on the side, I almost never use two hands with my phone and this would annoy me to no end.
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Just rechecked photo's, and well I don't find it a big deal. I've used the HD2, LG G2x, and HTC Sensation so if I get this phone it wouldn't be a big change.
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The only thing which bothers me, as a previous Tab 7.7 owner, the lack of software support, I may even sacrifice some hardware stuff for better official or xda community support potential. As far as I see it now the DNA, a major brand product, is nowhere near the Nexus devices in all the development and ROM hacking fuss. Oppo is moving to the global market, thus the good software support is implied but yet to be confirmed.
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Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Since this phone is supporting US Carriers with a breeze, will there be XDA Dev willing to work on this phone? That would also be a plus when getting this pone.
boojay said:
Actually, the size of the OPPO Find 5 is nowhere near the gargantuan HTC DNA despite sporting the same size screen thanks to an edge-to-edge screen and minimal wasted space at the top and bottom:
HTC DNA: 141 x 70.5 x 9.7 mm (5.55 x 2.78 x 0.38 in)
Oppo Find 5: 129 x 65 x 6.9 mm (5.08 x 2.56 x 0.27 in) <---smaller than HTC One S
The key here is the middle number, at 65 mm wide, it will be VERY easy to do one handed operations. This is a huge HUGE attraction for me as I'm sick of all these phlabets/phlaptops that HTC, Samsung, LG, and others are producing. Increasing screen size is one thing, but the phones are getting so enormous that it becomes very uncomfortable to use. It's ridiculous.
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Whoaahh! Didn't know it was smaller than the OneS! But I knew it was about the size of the DNA. Thanks for doing the conversion!!
The thing I hate, and the LG G2x/O2x did this, was the hardware keys. Why so big? But your right, phones are getting bigger, and bigger is only good for people with big hands. Medium size hands like phones in the range of 4 - 4.7 inches. The DNA did it right by making it longer instead of wider, and I'm glad Oppo is understanding that. Hopefully the S4 and new upcoming phones get it. Keep the big phone size to the Note's.

BAD_BOY_KIEV said:
It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
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These specs are for a different phone mate.. it clearly states that it refers to a 4.5 inch phone with 720p screen... The dimensions are still impressive to be sure but nowhere near to what a 5 inch would be if they were able to fit it in just 65mm of width. It would imply a total absence of bezel as in *nil*, I don't think such a tech exists yet, true edge to edge is a decade away I'm afraid. I'd be happy to be proved wrong though...
BTW same applies on the existence of micro SD slot, it probably doesn't have one, at least the company doesn't hint that anywhere (sadly microsd slots seem to go the way of the dodo)...
So to recap, "hold on your horses", it'd probably be a thinner slightly cheaper DNA and given that it is a chinaphone I don't think many would be convinced... it's a good offering to be sure but nothing groundbreaking... again I hope to be proved wrong, if I do I would be the first in line to buy this phone (hate phablet sizes, love big screens and big memories)...

I updated the OP. It does not have SD Card but has 16GB and 32GB version! I am thinking of getting this phone

best alternative to nexus 4(?

PontiacGTX said:
best alternative to nexus 4(?
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DEFIANTLY!! The best alternative!! But if you're on AT&T, sorry no LTE

Best? I wouldn't say that at all.
I'm sure from a development state, this device will be lacking heavily. And anything non pure Google.....goog luck with the manufactures keeping you up to date.
Sounds like a sweet device, but it'd still take my gs3 over this all day long.
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Best? I wouldn't say that at all.
I'm sure from a development state, this device will be lacking heavily. And anything non pure Google.....goog luck with the manufactures keeping you up to date.
Sounds like a sweet device, but it'd still take my gs3 over this all day long.
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Well, well my friend, assuming is not good. If you go to oppo's forum they are very well up to date, and current than GS3. They are pure google with little customization to not run it down. Idk about Samsung but 4.2 on Oppo devices are coming in Mid Jan. ALSO I don't know about when a new version of android is coming about but when it does Oppo will surely have it out in 2-3 months tops.
So from a development state, Samsung lacks it heavily, and Samsung lacks pure google. Good luck waiting years on Samsung getting you updates that takes years to update

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Well, well my friend, assuming is not good. If you go to oppo's forum they are very well up to date, and current than GS3. They are pure google with little customization to not run it down. Idk about Samsung but 4.2 on Oppo devices are coming in Mid Jan. ALSO I don't know about when a new version of android is coming about but when it does Oppo will surely have it out in 2-3 months tops.
So from a development state, Samsung lacks it heavily, and Samsung lacks pure google. Good luck waiting years on Samsung getting you updates that takes years to update
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My Verizon galaxy s3 is on 4.2 cm.
I've never had a issue having lots of roms top choose from south any Samsung devices I've had.
I'm saying is I'm not sure the oppo week have much of a following here in the states, if it does it will never have the backing that my gs3 does.
You cannot deny that.
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dave_k605 said:
My Verizon galaxy s3 is on 4.2 cm.
I've never had a issue having lots of roms top choose from south any Samsung devices I've had.
I'm saying is I'm not sure the oppo week have much of a following here in the states, if it does it will never have the backing that my gs3 does.
You cannot deny that.
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This is actually the first Oppo device heading to the United States support T-Mobile, AT&T, and Simple Mobile. It won't get the over rated advertisement like the GS3, but it is definitely a better phone, in my opinion. Official Software updates, better camera, fast, premium product, NFC.
I have nothing against the GS3 besides the width of it, and the material of the phone is plastic. Otherwise its a great phone. But hopefully XDA will have some ROM support on this phone as its coming to the United States.

richie390 said:
This is actually the first Oppo device heading to the United States support T-Mobile, AT&T, and Simple Mobile. It won't get the over rated advertisement like the GS3, but it is definitely a better phone, in my opinion. Official Software updates, better camera, fast, premium product, NFC.
I have nothing against the GS3 besides the width of it, and the material of the phone is plastic. Otherwise its a great phone. But hopefully XDA will have some ROM support on this phone as its coming to the United States.
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Yes a nicer material would be nice, but we all seem to use cases made out of the same material to protect our investment.....so no need to waste extra money on finer materials to cover them up. Nice materials such as glass/aluminum are not add strong or resilient to damage.
I also am not bashing the oppo, seems like a nice phone and the more high end devices, we all win. I'm an android guy, I'm not band stuck, however I'm drawn to Samsung's...HTC is also nice, but on big red they haven't brought anything to the table I would rather have than my gs3. That being said if Verizon would have had the one x I'm not sure which way I would have gone......really nice phone!
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Yes a nicer material would be nice, but we all seem to use cases made out of the same material to protect our investment.....so no need to waste extra money on finer materials to cover them up. Nice materials such as glass/aluminum are not add strong or resilient to damage.
I also am not bashing the oppo, seems like a nice phone and the more high end devices, we all win. I'm an android guy, I'm not band stuck, however I'm drawn to Samsung's...HTC is also nice, but on big red they haven't brought anything to the table I would rather have than my gs3. That being said if Verizon would have had the one x I'm not sure which way I would have gone......really nice phone!
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You made a good point about protecting the investment. But we're just gonna have to wait and see how this Chinese phone makes a impact on how the US will accept this
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Motorola Drops Moto X to $400

I knew this was coming...http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/01/moto-x-400/

450$ for 32GB and Developed editions. Let's hope we get some more devs AND users jumping on the bandwagon at these prices.
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Imagine if they had released it at this price. Moto X is a great phone but the early bad will, due to the initial price and spec non-issue, has probably hurt it's overall sales for good. Hope I'm wrong about that :fingers-crossed:

I think the pricing now is what should have been all along. Can't wait to see what they have next.
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Moto X 32GB @ $450 vs. Iphone 5s 32GB @ $750 or even Iphone 5c 32GB @ $650.
Take this along with Nexus 5 pricing and Moto G 16GB @ $200 and it's exceeding clear Google wants to drive very good to excellent mobile phones to commodity pricing and juice the off-contract market. If the illusion of subsidized pricing with 2 year contracts goes away in the US, the love of shinny jewel-like phones might just tarnish a bit (or significantly hurt profit margins).

I think it's awesome google are making great phones at affordable prices... But most go with contracts anyway... Cause it's cheaper up front and cause that's what people are just used too.
Personally I think if you buy an iPhone outright at 750 vs 450 for a Moto x.... You'd be a fool. Lol
Hopefully over time the brain washing that you have to have an iPhone will fade and people will wake up. They may have good hardware and be reliable software wise.. But it's apple. They can't sell apple computers because of their ridiculous limitations... Yet people flock like zombies to their phones... Makes no sense. Lol
In time they'll be where blackberry is in the food chain, I have no doubt.
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alpha-niner64 said:
That's pretty insulting. Zombies? iOS may be what it is, but had you said this back with the iphone 3g, then I'd agree. But we've come a long way since iOS3 and with a bit of JB-magic, you could customize iOS as much as Android. Granted, Android: it's far easier and safer. A lot of stuff on iOS is really user-friendly. It's only with the Moto X that I can decisively recommend Android over iOS to anyone not invested in the iOS ecosystem because what drew people to iOS back then, Google just achieved with the Moto X (the Android Market is still a work in progress compared to the App store). 5 years is a long time to get invested.
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You can't do /change even a fraction of what you can on an Android on an iPhone. Jailbroken or not. They are completely over priced too boot.
Again.... 750 for an iPhone vs 450 for a Moto x should be a no brainer ... But apple still has this magic power with so many that you HAVE to have an iPhone.... Or you're not cool. Lol
A used 4s can still cost you what a new Moto x costs.... And the 4s is just awful compared to the X.
But the zombies still will by the 4s. Lol
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alpha-niner64 said:
That's pretty insulting. Zombies? iOS may be what it is, but had you said this back with the iphone 3g, then I'd agree. But we've come a long way since iOS3 and with a bit of JB-magic, you could customize iOS as much as Android. Granted, Android: it's far easier and safer. A lot of stuff on iOS is really user-friendly. It's only with the Moto X that I can decisively recommend Android over iOS to anyone not invested in the iOS ecosystem because what drew people to iOS back then, Google just achieved with the Moto X (the Android Market is still a work in progress compared to the App store but 5 years is a long time since.
If only the Moto G was as small as the Moto X: I would sing Motorola's praises all day and night. Better battery life and at $200 unlocked? iphone 4 still sells at that price. Even the most spec-retardant brain can't ignore that the Moto G is just a better buy. Removable battery/MicroSD would've been gravy.
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Active Notification and Touchless Controls on top of the smoothest/longest-in-its-range Android experience ever is hard to ignore at any price. Nexus 5 owners have to constantly reassure themselves they bought their phone for the specs, but that's all they got going for them in between mid-day charging :laugh:
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My n5 gets nearly the same battery life as my moto x.
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kj2112 said:
A used 4s can still cost you what a new Moto x costs.... And the 4s is just awful compared to the X.
But the zombies still will by the 4s. Lol
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone.....
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I own all three: s4, n5 and moto x.
S4 is still the best IMHO:
-IR capability (once you have it can't live without)
-ext SD
-ext battery (internal batteries eventually lose capacity)
-better camera
-bigger screen
Now with that being said, I do like all three and the N5 and moto x have a better price point but there are concessions to get that price point.
I recommend all three depending on needs and likes.
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markwebb said:
I own all three: s4, n5 and moto x.
S4 is still the best IMHO:
-IR capability (once you have it can't live without)
-ext SD
-ext battery (internal batteries eventually lose capacity)
-better camera
-bigger screen
Now with that being said, I do like all three and the N5 and moto x have a better price point but there are concessions to get that price point.
I recommend all three depending on needs and likes.
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I didn't like the s4. The plastic and whole phone felt extremely cheap, battery life wasn't nearly as good as moto x, and camera was awful in anything other than daylight.
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malikadnanm said:
I didn't like the s4. The plastic and whole phone felt extremely cheap, battery life wasn't nearly as good as moto x, and camera was awful in anything other than daylight.
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That sounds like a user/software input issue rather than the hardware. It's on record the Galaxy S4 has the better performing camera(though IMO not by much), even on paper and by testimony so I know it's user error. It's not a secret that a lot of cameraphones just aren't good at low light conditions.

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...If only the Moto G was as small as the Moto X: I would sing Motorola's praises......
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With about one millimeter difference per dimension, I think it's safe to say they are the same side.
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kj2112 said:
I think it's awesome google are making great phones at affordable prices... But most go with contracts anyway... Cause it's cheaper up front and cause that's what people are just used too.
Personally I think if you buy an iPhone outright at 750 vs 450 for a Moto x.... You'd be a fool. Lol
Hopefully over time the brain washing that you have to have an iPhone will fade and people will wake up. They may have good hardware and be reliable software wise.. But it's apple. They can't sell apple computers because of their ridiculous limitations... Yet people flock like zombies to their phones... Makes no sense. Lol
In time they'll be where blackberry is in the food chain, I have no doubt.
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You may be right about people going with contracts to get the low upfront price. However, people can do the math too, and when nice equipment hits the $200 to $400 price range out of contract vs. free to $200 upfront cost + higher monthly payments the old way of doing business doesn't jive. T-Mobile who started the whole unbundled thing here in the USA still advertises low upfront prices but at least they're more honest and show it as a 0% finance loan which can be paid off over a couple years. Of course if you're on Verizon or Sprint, there isn't much benefit to paying up front unless you need to be on those networks due to coverage, or not wanting to go on contract but with no discount, or you're nursing along a grandfathered unlimited data plan. I'd expect Verizon to be the last vendor to get on board with the new way of doing business and only after they experience customers fleeing for a better deal.
Personally not a Mac guy (although I was in the 1980's) but I'm not sure what limitations they have that would make their computers limited. If anything, the whole modern interface thing MS is forcing on people might be driving people there. I built a great W8.1 computer which is absolutely awesome once I neutered it back to behaving like W7 (but it's actually much better than W7).
The whole iPhone thing is going to be a tough nut to crack in the USA. It seems almost everyone has an iPhone where you're out in public (not such an exclusive club when you think about it). My kids still have feature phones and their high school friends and cousins don't ask them when they're getting a smartphone, they ask when they're getting an iPhone. My daughter has a friend with a hand-me-down Samsung GS3 which the girl refers to as BIG BERTHA. Even our local news covers an Apple iDevice announcement as a news event (free advertising). People on national TV shows (mostly news type shows) almost always refer to their devices as "iPhones or iPads" and talk about how they are going to "facetime" someone (unless it's one of the many shows where MS has paid for product placements). I was looking at something in a Verizon store over Xmas and overheard a couple getting new phones. The guy said, "maybe I'll try an Android this time." The sales agent (young female) said, "you don't want to do that." Seen several people with cracked screened iPhones at the stores forking over big bucks to get another one. Basically they sell themselves or it's a very easy discussion for a sales agent. I was part of the computer industry when "proprietary" became a dirt word, so it absolutely floors me that folks are buying into a very proprietary setup with iDevices.
I do think Motorola is heading in a great direction with the X and G. Did run into some parents buying a Moto X for their daughter at a store via Motomaker. The young girl had a very specific combination of colors she wanted, and that alone was driving the desire for the Moto X. They saw I had one and were delighted I thought it was such a great device beyond the colors. A very good sign.

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That sounds like a user/software input issue rather than the hardware. It's on record the Galaxy S4 has the better performing camera(though IMO not by much), even on paper and by testimony so I know it's user error. It's not a secret that a lot of cameraphones just aren't good at low light conditions.
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Actually I think it's documented that the s4 camera is terrible in any sort of low light. So not user error. Unless everyone that used it is doing it wrong.
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4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...

Restola said:
4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...
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How is it bashing when its the truth? I'd rather have a grainy lowlight picture that actually shows you something than one that's completely black. Obviously the s4 camera is better in light.
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4.4.2 and fix the camera (much more needs to be done) and I'll come back. Amuses me to see the s4 camera bashed in a moto x forum though...
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If 4.4.2 us what's holding you Back then why are you on the s4? I had an s4 and miss it but man the features the Moto x can get over them, the camera sucks,like bad. I loved the s4s camera
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Blitzpwnage said:
If 4.4.2 us what's holding you Back then why are you on the s4? I had an s4 and miss it but man the features the Moto x can get over them, the camera sucks,like bad. I loved the s4s camera
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I'm not on an S4. I was just responding to the s4 camera bashing when the moto x takes iffy photos (bi-polar is probably the right word) even in normal indoor lighting.
I believe it is still software. The ISO in the attached picture is 5000 (totally unnecessary for it to be that high).

Restola said:
I'm not on an S4. I was just responding to the s4 camera bashing when the moto x takes iffy photos (bi-polar is probably the right word) even in normal indoor lighting.
I believe it is still software. The ISO in the attached picture is 5000 (totally unnecessary for it to be that high).
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You're right! That's where fv-5 or another app come in. I like fv-5, all the settings right there in the screen... Don't have to go into menus.
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Still nothing like my $150 Sony camera.... But no phone will ever match even a cheap camera. Lol
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I had to get a nexus 5, and returned it after 8 hours

So here's the story.
Yesterday I dropped, my beloved, motox and broke the screen. So I scrambled on kijjiji to find a used one. I only managed to find 2,one guy was asking 260 and another guy was asking 340.
I decided to check my carrier to see if I was eligible for an upgrade. I was with an early upgrade fee (125), I thought this was great. So I clicked to search for a motox but Rogers doesn't sell it anymore. So I had to settle for a nexus 5 ($0 on 2 year renewal).
I've been playing with it for 2 hours and I already miss my motox, I can't wait to sell this thing and get the new motox (motox+1).
Pros of the nexus 5 over a motox:
Not much. I really have to struggle to put something here.
-Okay no carrier name in the notification shade.
-Timely updates.
-Grippy back.
-Lighter
Cons:
Everything.
-I miss touchless control (I miss being able to say 'OK Google now' from anywhere and it would respond)
-I miss touchless notifications
-I miss twist to launch camera (I didn't think I'd use this feature as much as I did). Its so handy to grab the phone and twist it and the camera is ready to shoot.
-I miss being able to press anywhere on the viewfinder to take a picture.
-camera controls are crap
-placement of power and volume buttons are to high up on the phone
Motox did so many things right
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I just had the same exact thing happen to me.
My wife dropped my Moto X and cracked the screen, i then bought a 32gb Nexus 5 from EBay and I don't like it !.
The Touchless controls and active notifications are the things I miss the most.
I find the camera also to suck on the Nexus 5.
So a friend yesterday sent me this article.
I can't post the link as I'm a new user so I will private message it to you.
If your Moto X is still under warranty and you used the moto maker, you can request RMA and send back to Motorola.
Motorola will let you recreate a new moto x for free !
Once you receive your new free replacement you are obligated to send back your broken moto x within 10 days otherwise they will charge full price for the new handset.
The Article has all the details.
If you have any questions, just hit me up !
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Wannabekula, thanks for article I responded to the private message.
The motox should have sold better than the nexus5.
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I went from nexus 5 to moto x and while I am using more and more of the unique features such as touch less control (driving) and the camera hand twist, I will disagree with you that the moto x has the better camera. Camera and screen are where the nexus 5 have the advantage. My wife still has her nexus 5 her pictures of the same things we shoot come out on top more often than not. Mostly because of the OIS. Color accuracy is better on the n5 as well. Don't get me wrong, the moto x has definitely grown on me and touch less controls are becoming a MUST. If the moto x+1 can fix those few gripes I'll definitely stay in the moto family. oh and moto x on average gets better battery life than my n5.
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Damn I thought Moto X had a great build quality! I am scared to buy it now!

biggiestuff said:
I went from nexus 5 to moto x and while I am using more and more of the unique features such as touch less control (driving) and the camera hand twist, I will disagree with you that the moto x has the better camera. Camera and screen are where the nexus 5 have the advantage. My wife still has her nexus 5 her pictures of the same things we shoot come out on top more often than not. Mostly because of the OIS. Color accuracy is better on the n5 as well. Don't get me wrong, the moto x has definitely grown on me and touch less controls are becoming a MUST. If the moto x+1 can fix those few gripes I'll definitely stay in the moto family. oh and moto x on average gets better battery life than my n5.
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I never implied the picture quality on the motox is better, I was simply saying the camera controls are better in the motox. For example if you want to flip to front camera the control is right there on the viewfinder I don't have to go into a menu to do it. Same applies for taking a video it's right there.
Motorola really made the motox functional. If they had priced it right, it would have sold like crazy.
devilsdouble said:
Damn I thought Moto X had a great build quality! I am scared to buy it now!
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It does have a great build. You won't be disappointed. Get it.
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moto x is the best phone i ever had to date. and im not looking to replace it because its so good

Jamolah said:
I never implied the picture quality on the motox is better, I was simply saying the camera controls are better in the motox. For example if you want to flip to front camera the control is right there on the viewfinder I don't have to go into a menu to do it. Same applies for taking a video it's right there.
Motorola really made the motox functional. If they had priced it right, it would have sold like crazy.
It does have a great build. You won't be disappointed. Get it.
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The camera part was more directed to the person who said the nexus 5 camera sucks. I do like most of the motox cameras features. I like that you don't pinch to zoom, you just swipe up or down and you can do burst mode by just holding down on the screen.
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After only only 8 hours with the nexus5 I've decided to return it. I can't deal with its shortcomings. Also it's got issues when streaming music over bluetooth, a lot of crackling, seems to be a common problem.
I'd rather have a broken (screen) motox than a new nexus5.
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I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
If they pull that again then it's highly likely I will be tempted by the Nexus 6 or Android Silver line (whichever actually happens) which, if history serves as a guide, will come out towards the end of the year.
Which would be a shame because I wouldn't mind swapping my Snapdragon 800/1080p/2GB RAM/32GB storage phone for one of the same specification soon - but there's no way I would do that next year, when Snapdragon 801 will have been superceded by 805, and pretty much every flagship is going to have 3GB RAM and QHD display by that time. That would just stick in my craw a bit too much.

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I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
If they pull that again then it's highly likely I will be tempted by the Nexus 6 or Android Silver line (whichever actually happens) which, if history serves as a guide, will come out towards the end of the year.
Which would be a shame because I wouldn't mind swapping my Snapdragon 800/1080p/2GB RAM/32GB storage phone for one of the same specification soon - but there's no way I would do that next year, when Snapdragon 801 will have been superceded by 805, and pretty much every flagship is going to have 3GB RAM and QHD display by that time. That would just stick in my craw a bit too much.
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If higher numbers specs that much, you really need to follow it...
... but, for everyone who had read about it, knows that its not just higher numbers, not even the "outdate" (just because its a dual-core). Simply enough, architecture, the Android necessarily need quad or octa? 3gb of ram? 2k?
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setspeed said:
I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
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Setspeed Trust me man, it's not about the number of processor or anything if the hardware is optimised to the software specs mean nothing. Use the motox and you'll see what I mean.
Motorola did make a few mistakes marketing this phone though. Not selling world wide on initial release, pricing too high and not marketing enough. Because the motox offers all the benefits of vanilla android with the added features of touchless control and active display.
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Had an N5 from launch to replace my n4 from launch (and other nexus beforehand). Both are great, beautiful phones. Came to the moto x for the touchless features and the essentially stock 4.4.2. I love it. It is beautifully designed, maybe a little underpowered, but very well executed. The x8 chip set is excellent, but could probably do better with a slight improvement in the main cores. I've had a few issues, some regular force closes, but nothing that takes the shine off.
Long story short? I loved my n5... I sold it only because I love the features that moto x has... I didn't expect to buy a feature smartphone, but it's a freak in the smartphone category... Long live the moto x (+1?)
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Yeah I'm aware that the user experience is great on Moto devices - a friend just bought the Moto G and it's unbelievably good for the price. Unfortunately the X was too little too late by the time it came to the UK.
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We'll see if Motorola learned their lesson with the release of the motox+1. Because if they market well, release world wide and price it aggressive the new phone will sell like hotcakes.
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Setspeed Trust me man, it's not about the number of processor or anything if the hardware is optimised to the software specs mean nothing. Use the motox and you'll see what I mean.
Motorola did make a few mistakes marketing this phone though. Not selling world wide on initial release, pricing too high and not marketing enough. Because the motox offers all the benefits of vanilla android with the added features of touchless control and active display.
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I don't know when people will understand that really. I mean look at the sales, all the high specified phones are selling like hotcakes, and the Moto X, well nowhere near. God knows what people like in a highly spec'ed phone which runs like crap. The three devices I had were S4, Note 2, S2, and other than the S2 all of them are overpriced sh!t. Seriously. People call me crazy that I am thinking about getting the Moto X after owning the S4
It's like they are buying a computer, higher you go, more performance you get, like they will play Watch Dogs on it. However I utterly hate iPhone and iOS but there's some point why that bloody thing sells well.

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I don't know when people will understand that really. I mean look at the sales, all the high specified phones are selling like hotcakes, and the Moto X, well nowhere near. God knows what people like in a highly spec'ed phone which runs like crap. The three devices I had were S4, Note 2, S2, and other than the S2 all of them are overpriced sh!t. Seriously. People call me crazy that I am thinking about getting the Moto X after owning the S4
It's like they are buying a computer, higher you go, more performance you get, like they will play Watch Dogs on it. However I utterly hate iPhone and iOS but there's some point why that bloody thing sells well.
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I see what you're saying when it comes to Samsung, but not the Nexus - it performs better than any other Android phone because it's the highest specced stock software phone. I guarantee you that it's quicker and smoother than the Moto X, because of better hardware. If I could get the always listening touchless controls on my N5 then I wouldn't even be hanging around this forum sniffing about for X+1 news! But I can't, so here I am :laugh:

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After only only 8 hours with the nexus5 I've decided to return it. I can't deal with its shortcomings. Also it's got issues when streaming music over bluetooth, a lot of crackling, seems to be a common problem.
I'd rather have a broken (screen) motox than a new nexus5.
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Good decision my man!
You've just saved yourself from dealing with a load of issues by returning the N5!
I've come from the N5 to my Moto X and haven't looked back seriously.
I had so many issues with the N5 that I got Google to send me 11 replacements (YES ELEVEN REPLACEMENTS!!!) and in the end Google decided it wasn't the phone for me and gave me a full refund.
My issues experienced:
-Extremely poor call quality where the person on the other end can hardly hear you and you always have to shout to be heard
-Noise cancellation broken/faulty (looks like a hardware issue)
-Poor build quality as I kept getting dead pixels on 3 of the handsets
-Speaker volume very very low compared to the Moto X
-SIM card tray never used to sit flush with the body on quite a few of the models
-Bluetooth streaming issues
The main issue for me was the fact that I couldn't make phone calls properly. I loved the vanilla experience but I still get that with my Moto X.

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Pros of the nexus 5 over a motox:
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The Moto X is the same weight as the N5 although the Moto X feels slightly chunkier in the hand.

Wutang200 said:
Good decision my man!
You've just saved yourself from dealing with a load of issues by returning the N5!
I've come from the N5 to my Moto X and haven't looked back seriously.
I had so many issues with the N5 that I got Google to send me 11 replacements (YES ELEVEN REPLACEMENTS!!!) and in the end Google decided it wasn't the phone for me and gave me a full refund.
My issues experienced:
-Extremely poor call quality where the person on the other end can hardly hear you and you always have to shout to be heard
-Noise cancellation broken/faulty (looks like a hardware issue)
-Poor build quality as I kept getting dead pixels on 3 of the handsets
-Speaker volume very very low compared to the Moto X
-SIM card tray never used to sit flush with the body on quite a few of the models
-Bluetooth streaming issues
The main issue for me was the fact that I couldn't make phone calls properly. I loved the vanilla experience but I still get that with my Moto X.
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Wow that's got to be some kind of record, for a person to receive ELEVEN faulty handsets in a row...
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Buy Nexus 6P now or wait (May 2016)?

Hello.
I've had a LG G2 for 2.5 years and it's been a great phone. Unfortunately I'm starting to have issues with the microphone and the phone probably needs to be replaced in the not too distant future.
I am currently in a situation where I honestly am not in a rush to buy a new phone, I prefer to have the latest and greatest (because it generally holds up better over the years) and I want a phone that'll serve me for another 2-3 years.
The Nexus 6P has a lot going for it, the display, the stereo speakers, the buttery smooth UI, sleek design and fingerprint scanner.
On the flip side, I find it a bit too big (but I can manage it) and I'm worried about how well the phone will age. I don't have much faith in the Snapdragon 810. Is it still worth buying or am I better off waiting for the next generation?
The Nexus 6p costs $630 here. I've had a look at the newest 2016 flagships and only HTC 10 caught my attention, but the price of the phone is an outrageous $830 and I cannot justify spending so much.
So, should I hop on the Nexus 6P wagon or wait for the next generation?

I'd say for you to wait. But for what? I don't see any flagships phones to be announced. Don't know. Maybe the next Nexus? Surely will be a few months away.
The CPU is not that important. At least for me. If I'd buy the Nexus 6P at this time. Probably yes, for the price and updates.

I upgraded last month to a 6P but that's because my N5 was on it's last legs and there was a sale ($500 for a 64GB 6P and they throw in a $50 gift card so it's effectively $450).
I would have waited for a 820-based 6P but it's unclear if Google will really release such a beast. I wanted a Nexus device to ensure updates for a few years so I ended pulling the trigger on the 6P when the sale was announced.

vPro97 said:
Hello.
I've had a LG G2 for 2.5 years and it's been a great phone. Unfortunately I'm starting to have issues with the microphone and the phone probably needs to be replaced in the not too distant future.
I am currently in a situation where I honestly am not in a rush to buy a new phone, I prefer to have the latest and greatest (because it generally holds up better over the years) and I want a phone that'll serve me for another 2-3 years.
The Nexus 6P has a lot going for it, the display, the stereo speakers, the buttery smooth UI, sleek design and fingerprint scanner.
On the flip side, I find it a bit too big (but I can manage it) and I'm worried about how well the phone will age. I don't have much faith in the Snapdragon 810. Is it still worth buying or am I better off waiting for the next generation?
The Nexus 6p costs $630 here. I've had a look at the newest 2016 flagships and only HTC 10 caught my attention, but the price of the phone is an outrageous $830 and I cannot justify spending so much.
So, should I hop on the Nexus 6P wagon or wait for the next generation?
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The other device to look at would be the Moto X Pure.
Processor is slower but here in the states a 64GB version for $399.

Another option came up, the Samsung Galaxy S7 for $680 - so $50 more.
The S7 has a lot going for it, like the more wieldy size, better display, good camera, waterproofing (which is more of a nice-to-have sort of thing). On the other hand I will be missing out on the quick Android updates and the stock android experience and I will get the TouchWiz UI, which I don't mind (I've been living with G2's UI for 2.5 years which isn't much better...) and I'll be missing out on the stereo speakers.
The Moto X Style is really nice, but if the SD 810 has me worried, how about the 808? I like the looks of the Moto X Style but the SD 808 and bad battery life is a deal breaker, even at the $420 price tag.

Had to get the 6P for Fi. Happy with it. I was holding out for I/O 2016 in hopes they would announce a mid year fresh with better CPU but no such thing happened. Oh well. This phone is pretty chill for me.

vPro97 said:
Hello.
I've had a LG G2 for 2.5 years and it's been a great phone. Unfortunately I'm starting to have issues with the microphone and the phone probably needs to be replaced in the not too distant future.
I am currently in a situation where I honestly am not in a rush to buy a new phone, I prefer to have the latest and greatest (because it generally holds up better over the years) and I want a phone that'll serve me for another 2-3 years.
The Nexus 6P has a lot going for it, the display, the stereo speakers, the buttery smooth UI, sleek design and fingerprint scanner.
On the flip side, I find it a bit too big (but I can manage it) and I'm worried about how well the phone will age. I don't have much faith in the Snapdragon 810. Is it still worth buying or am I better off waiting for the next generation?
The Nexus 6p costs $630 here. I've had a look at the newest 2016 flagships and only HTC 10 caught my attention, but the price of the phone is an outrageous $830 and I cannot justify spending so much.
So, should I hop on the Nexus 6P wagon or wait for the next generation?
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oh man we are in the exact same situation here ! literally ! G2 802 owner here. i was running exodus 6.0.1. it will keep you going for a little while but with lack of good camera features. i will be pulling the trigger on the 6p soon. it costs 594$ here if bought from play devices (play store), but in third party e commerce sites its about 475.. the prices will drop soon. currently its at its lowest price here. once it hits the 400$ barrier im picking it up for sure ! guaranteed updates for next 2-3 years officially another thought is that . what if the next nexus is actually cheaper than the current 6p ? (in terms of initial pricing). itll be like we bought the old device for just 10-15$ more or something.. hence till my g2 is going good, i can keep it on hold. i suggest you do the same . head over to cheapass.in , here you can track prices of the links posted from e commerce sites and it will tell mail you to inform you the price drop ive been following the 6p for a while now.
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If I would to buy it now I would do it. I got mine in January and no had no problems with it at all. i get good battery life and with the improvements android N it will be better in my opinion. I been using a V10 a few weeks as I got it for my backup/media phone since it has a sd card and while i like it especially cause the camera will be great for the future...i returned back to the 6P yesterday and i forgot how much i love it. great screen and i forgot how awesome those speakers are. the moto x pure might be a little better but still the 6P speakers are great. my only gripe is that i wish google would be a damn sd card slot but i know it will never happen but i can dream.

I came over from a G2 and haven't regretted it for a minute.
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Just had to retire my G2 D800 due to screen ghost touches. Got the 6p. Bigger but loving it so far. Not really a phone gamer, just calls, texts, and read news articles. Battery is amazing. 6-7 hours SOT.

redpirate8 said:
Just had to retire my G2 D800 due to screen ghost touches. Got the 6p. Bigger but loving it so far. Not really a phone gamer, just calls, texts, and read news articles. Battery is amazing. 6-7 hours SOT.
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Would love to know how you're managing that... I'm lucky to get over 4 hours on anything from stock to custom ROMs and kernels with Greenify, Xposed, etc. Never play games, only browsing, texting, music, and small YouTube bits here and there. My battery life has never been that great on any device like some people claim.

Only rooted. Ad blocker installed. Disabled all non essential Google apps (Chrome, Drive, Movies and TV, Books, Games, and Photos). I use Tinfoil for Facebook instead of the stock app and Opera Mini. I don't need emails delivered immediately so all syncing is turned off. And turned off Googles 'Back up my data' in Backup and Reset since there seems to be a bug with it eating away battery in some of the other forums. I don't need Google Now and disabled the voice activation in Search. At this very moment, I've got 7.5 SOT with 12% battery left.

We are literaly in the same exact situation, I've had my G2 for about 2 years now and I recently rooted it and flashed Google Edition 1.5 ROM + Dorimanx kernel which kinda revived my phone and Its now way smoother with better battery life, that being said I cant see myself keeping this phone after the summer's done and I've been looking for a potential replacement. The HTC 10 looks perfect on paper: similar size, better specs, better build quality but since it just came out Its too expensive for me, looking at last year's flagships the nexus 6p seems the best of the lot but it's just so damn big and my hands are kinda small. At this point I really cant decide if I should get a 6P in like August or wait a year or so until I can afford the HTC 10.Btw if anybody knows some other reasonably priced 5.2-5.3 inch phone with atleast 3 gigs of ram and a cpu equivalent to a 810 please let me know.

raoufsb said:
We are literaly in the same exact situation, I've had my G2 for about 2 years now and I recently rooted it and flashed Google Edition 1.5 ROM + Dorimanx kernel which kinda revived my phone and Its now way smoother with better battery life, that being said I cant see myself keeping this phone after the summer's done and I've been looking for a potential replacement. The HTC 10 looks perfect on paper: similar size, better specs, better build quality but since it just came out Its too expensive for me, looking at last year's flagships the nexus 6p seems the best of the lot but it's just so damn big and my hands are kinda small. At this point I really cant decide if I should get a 6P in like August or wait a year or so until I can afford the HTC 10.Btw if anybody knows some other reasonably priced 5.2-5.3 inch phone with atleast 3 gigs of ram and a cpu equivalent to a 810 please let me know.
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I had an HTC 10, 6P, and S7 Edge all at the same time. I currently only have the 6P and S7 Edge - trying to decide which to keep.
The 10 was a good phone. But here's what killed it for me... the LCD and the size, mostly. The LCD is great for an LCD. But it's still an LCD, and it's terrible compared to OLED. The 6P and S7E are just so much better to look at, even in sRGB modes where they aren't oversaturated. Having pure black is something most people don't appreciate until they see it on a 55"+ TV in front of them. I have a $4,000 4K OLED TV, and I can never go back. The same holds true with even a small smartphone display - you use the display more than anything. It better look damn good. Also, even if I could get past the contrast, there were 2 other major issues I had with it. Number 1, the motion blur was TERRIBLE! It might not actually be that bad in the LCD world, but OLED has practically instant pixel response. That in itself removes a LOT of motion blur until we get 120+Hz smartphone panels - it's coming, just you wait! Also, the 10's display had a pink/red tint to it, 24/7. Holding it next to the 6P or S7E, this was obvious. And after years of having large phablets, I really couldn't go back to using a 5.2" screen.
Everything else about the 10 is something to love. The design is incredible. The camera is great. The DAC/amp are great. The speakers were great. The speed of the device, the factory go-ahead to root/unlock, the fingerprint sensor, the feel in the hand... all awesome. But none of these good qualities could make up for its worst, and that was the display.

No phone is a 2-3 year phone. And if there's one it's the 6P because of the updates policy. Samsung is surely out of the equation in that matter.

joooe said:
No phone is a 2-3 year phone. And if there's one it's the 6P because of the updates policy. Samsung is surely out of the equation in that matter.
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Tell Apple, Samsung, LG users, etc that. There are plenty of 2-3 year capable phones out there. How many 2-3 year users there are is an entirely different question.
I still know plenty of people out there with iPhone 4s, 5, Galaxy S4, S5, LG G2 & G3's out there. And not to leave Nexus users out, I still know people with Nexus 5's out there.
So I wouldn't say there isn't one out there. And in my opinion, the 6P won't be one of them. There are already too many threads with issues. Only time will tell on the 6P.

So you had severe doubts that the 6P was a 2-3 year phone, but now you're quoting a bunch of them. I think you're a bit confused.

Any phone can be a 2-3 year phone. Just depends how much the person is a tech fanatic and appreciates the latest and greatest. My buddy is using an S5 still... I couldn't do it, but he never complains.

I've had the 6P for about 6 months and have been very satisfied with it. Coming from the Nexus 5 I was also worried about the size but I got used to it quickly. I'm not sure I would want anything bigger though. If you're wanting a Nexus you could wait for the next one but you never know what they'll do next. I bought my Nexus 5 when I realized the then soon to be released Nexus 6 was going to be so huge.
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