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I got my VN3 a month or so back and decided to wait on rooting until KitKat was released, allegedly in march. I got tired of waiting and went ahead and rooted, using Kingo 1.1.5.xx (MJE).
I imagine that KitKat is still forthcoming for this phone(?). I've installed a few root apps (Titanium, Mobile Odin, etc.).
Questions:
1. If and when KK is available for the VN3, will I need to unroot the phone?
2. What method should I use...Kingo, Odin?
3. Should I take it easy on how many root apps I install until I know if I'll need to unroot?
4. Will it be worthwhile (or even viable) to install KK, or will most rooted users stay with 4.3?
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Sam
i wouldn't worry about that. Our Note 3s will be old news by the time verizon gets around to kitkat. They are bust pushing the new Galaxy S5 right now. But don't despair...Kitkat isn't an exciting leap into the future. I had an AOSP (or AOKP?) on my LG G2, and in the state it was in, I ended up going back to, and being deliriously happy, with 4.3. After running 4.4 with all its issues, when I went back to 4.3 there wasn't a single 4.4 feature I missed.
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i wouldn't worry about that. Our Note 3s will be old news by the time verizon gets around to kitkat. They are bust pushing the new Galaxy S5 right now. But don't despair...Kitkat isn't an exciting leap into the future. I had an AOSP (or AOKP?) on my LG G2, and in the state it was in, I ended up going back to, and being deliriously happy, with 4.3. After running 4.4 with all its issues, when I went back to 4.3 there wasn't a single 4.4 feature I missed.
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Sorry I somehow missed this. I have to agree. I actually kept GB 2.3 (build EL26 & 29) on my S2. Bumping it up a time or two for various updates, but always Odin'ed back to EL.
The fact that Vzw was alleged to release it in March prompted me to wait and see if I wanted it. But I'm rooted now and will be fine where I'm at. Absolutely fine, in fact.
One irritation with my S2, however, was that I kept having to deal with the update nag.
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But don't despair...Kitkat isn't an exciting leap into the future. I had an AOSP (or AOKP?) on my LG G2, and in the state it was in, I ended up going b3ack to, and being deliriously happy, with 4.3. After running 4.4 with all its issues, when I went back to 4.3 there wasn't a single 4.4 feature I missed.
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Unless your like a lot of people with multiple modern samsung devices that enjoy not having many cool features until kit kat. My Verizon N3 can't get kit kat soon enough. My gear fit and tab pro are being held back on functionalities waiting for my Note!
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Kitkat don't have any attractive feature. 4.3 is better then KK for N3. Kindly note that 4.3 built in software is better then KK.
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Having had a Moto X that was destroyed by 4.4 (I left it for the Note 3 before it took Verizon years to get it 4.4.2) and a Nexus 7 that got 4.4, and quickly 4.4.2 after that ----- I can live with 4.3. I agree with the comments that there really isn't anything must have about 4.4. On my Moto X - 4.4 destroyed battery life. My Nexus 7 2013 got much better battery life with 4.3 than it gets with 4.4.2 with greenify.
And yes, I got all caught up in the 4.4 KitKat hype, bought the bars, and believed every word of the "redesigned, less footprint, more battery life" hype that never came true. lol.
Edit: To answer OP's question: The only way I'm considering 4.4 on my Note 3 is if one of the Rom devs here offer it - more specifically CleanRom. Otherwise, happily running 4.3 till I can afford the Note 4. lol.
i didnt care at all UNTIL i got a Tab Pro and Gear Fit that were designed to work with Kit Kat. i have ran into many things that requires Kit Kat on my N3 like the latest S Health for Fit to work fully or Sync 3.0 for sharing files from N3. there were a few more as well.
so to call it useless depends on what you may need it for as i could really use it now.
As Fletch33 states, some people have a need for KitKat. As for me, having stayed with GB for so long, JB 4.3 is quite the upgrade (as is the N3). JB on my S2 just didn't cut it. I can live without KK as long as I have to, but really, it's all academic at this point, since Verizon has passed their timeline of 'sometime in March'. And from what I'm hearing, it may take quite some time to see it happen.
That being the case (and with the seemingly prevailing opinion re:KitKat), I'll just go ahead and setup my now rooted VN3 as I need it to be and reject the KK update offers.
I havent seen a vzw note 3 kitkat yet. Even the devs seem to be waiting for big red. Root and safestrap are great but a locked bootloader has us hamstrung WRT kit-kat.
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I havent seen a vzw note 3 kitkat yet. Even the devs seem to be waiting for big red. Root and safestrap are great but a locked bootloader has us hamstrung WRT kit-kat.
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Which is another valid reason to stay put...
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i didnt care at all UNTIL i got a Tab Pro and Gear Fit that were designed to work with Kit Kat. i have ran into many things that requires Kit Kat on my N3 like the latest S Health for Fit to work fully or Sync 3.0 for sharing files from N3. there were a few more as well.
so to call it useless depends on what you may need it for as i could really use it now.
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not sure about the others but fitness for gear works great and essentially replacing s-health totally at some point. the apps are almost identical when you open them. I work for Samsung.
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not sure about the others but fitness for gear works great and essentially replacing s-health totally at some point. the apps are almost identical when you open them. I work for Samsung.
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You happen to know if Verizon even has a KitKat build they are testing for the Note 3? I just want it for certain apps that require 4.4, plus it's nice to have a OS with the latest API levels.
A coworker of mine is testing it on vzw but there have been issues with, you guessed it, signal strength, so this is why we haven't seen an update yet. Shouldn't be too long as she told me that is the only issue being reported
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i had the galaxy nexus on vzw before the note 3 and they skipped an update and on the next version release vzw would update the nexus. i'm hoping the note 3 is the same. at this point i'd rather wait for the next release and skip kitkat.
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i had the galaxy nexus on vzw before the note 3 and they skipped an update and on the next version release vzw would update the nexus. i'm hoping the note 3 is the same. at this point i'd rather wait for the next release and skip kitkat.
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Or even 4.4.3 would be worth the wait. Pretty sick of Verizon though, I'm about to puke.
Has anyone considered moving from the Note 3 to the Nexus 5 for the whole purpose of having access to their phone via root and unlocked bootloader?
I have been considering it for the past couple days. I love the size of the Note 3 but I did not take the KK update nor Odin the KK leaked and I want to be able to put any ROM on my phone.
Flash dynamic kat! Note 3 nexus 5 mix!
Edit; didn't read that part where you want to put any rom on your phone, yeah if you want unlocked bootloader nexus 5 is the way to go.
I wouldn't mind doing one of the KK rom's. Either I am blind or just stupid, but I cannot find the instructions on how to get everything flashed with Odin to KK so that I can flash.
I want full control but I am also wondering what other people have done. I love Samsung phones as I have been happy with the build quality. I even had a Galaxy Nexus on VZW and I loved it.
I haven't done it but I've been thinking about it.
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I wouldn't mind doing one of the KK rom's. Either I am blind or just stupid, but I cannot find the instructions on how to get everything flashed with Odin to KK so that I can flash.
I want full control but I am also wondering what other people have done. I love Samsung phones as I have been happy with the build quality. I even had a Galaxy Nexus on VZW and I loved it.
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sticky at the top of this section http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712039
Funny, I just sold my Nexus 5 to get a Note 3. Got my note 3 from ATT for $249 outright with no contract. Couldn't pass up such a good deal. Sold my Nexus to my co-worker for $300. I am loving the Note.
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When you guys were on the Note 2 before updating to the Note 3 (or any Galaxy device), how long did it take for the update(s) to come out where you would get the UI from the Galaxy S device? For example, the phone, web browser, texting UI, etc updated for the Note 2 and it looks similar to the S4. Like I understand it's hard to explain, but I was wondering when will our Note 3's look like the S5's TW ui?
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When you guys were on the Note 2 before updating to the Note 3 (or any Galaxy device), how long did it take for the update(s) to come out where you would get the UI from the Galaxy S device? For example, the phone, web browser, texting UI, etc updated for the Note 2 and it looks similar to the S4. Like I understand it's hard to explain, but I was wondering when will our Note 3's look like the S5's TW ui?
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As far as I know there are already two roms with S5 features, you will find them in android development section.
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As far as I know there are already two roms with S5 features, you will find them in android development section.
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I would like to avoid rooting. My bootloader is locked as well.
nviz22 said:
I would like to avoid rooting. My bootloader is locked as well.
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Unlucky for your bootloader.
Usually it happens when the next iteration of your current device is released, 3 - 4 months later a major update would be released.
However with 4.4.3 looming near, Samsung may decide to think about the possibility of an image of the Note 3 having flat skins.
Yes, that is how you should think about Samsung's speed of updating ^^
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Unlucky for your bootloader.
Usually it happens when the next iteration of your current device is released, 3 - 4 months later a major update would be released.
However with 4.4.3 looming near, Samsung may decide to think about the possibility of an image of the Note 3 having flat skins.
Yes, that is how you should think about Samsung's speed of updating ^^
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I have AT&T in the US, so our updates are slower than other companies because of the bloating. I just want that LTE/Wifi mix booster software, UI updates, new camera editing features, and Ultra Power Saving Mode. Most of those are S5 features, but I am willing to wait. I also want a bug fix for the battery drain bug from 4.4.2. AT&T kaboshed our GPS and took many months to fix the phone. I could've gotten another phone from them, but I chose not to since I like the Note 3 a lot.
I know the phone won't be out until the 23rd (despite heavy argument from a certain bunch that still think the 17th is the release date for verizon based on what "their reps told them"). Looks like the S5 and the Note 3 on the latest builds have no root and require flashing an older kernel to root the phone. Seems like that trend is going to carry over to the Note 4 with the exception of us not having an older kernel to flash and root. So any talks within the community about a bounty or new root method being developed? Let's get the chatter going early so we don't have to wait 3-6 months after release date like the Note 3. I'm going to miss my record button during phone calls =(
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I know the phone won't be out until the 23rd (despite heavy argument from a certain bunch that still think the 17th is the release date for verizon based on what "their reps told them"). Looks like the S5 and the Note 3 on the latest builds have no root and require flashing an older kernel to root the phone. Seems like that trend is going to carry over to the Note 4 with the exception of us not having an older kernel to flash and root. So any talks within the community about a bounty or new root method being developed? Let's get the chatter going early so we don't have to wait 3-6 months after release date like the Note 3. I'm going to miss my record button during phone calls =(
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I have 3 S5's and 2 Note 3's all on the latest build.
They are all rooted.
Thats good new. Can you still run free hotspot?
god, i'm going to so need root. between ad away and being able to uses mobile hotspot and titanium backup, ugh. I can't imagine an ad filled phone. lol
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I will smash this phone into the ground if it doesn't get root.
Tmobile Note 4 has root currently. Unfortunately it trips the Knox counter in the process.
Adaway is a must, I used my wifes phone and has no idea how many ads there actually where
I am treating the delay as a positive, since if root is not available for US models, I will not get the N4. Need root to allow external storage writes and do NOT trust Google that they will leave the function enabled in Lollipop. Not the slightest.
If no root, will stay with the S4 32GB a while longer, but still a fine device that is rooted and I do have card writes enabled.
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Thats good new. Can you still run free hotspot?
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Dont know, I added the $10 hotspot to my account.
Im on an enterprise account so the features and rates are a bit different.
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Thats good new. Can you still run free hotspot?
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No offense since just asking. Why is it good news for devices not the N4 being rooted since this thread would inherently be for the N4?
The S4, S5 and N3 all are easy to root, but other than a trend, does not mean much for the N4 (besides not a negative trend)
Forgot about needing adaway. Another reason to have root!
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No offense since just asking. Why is it good news for devices not the N4 being rooted since this thread would inherently be for the N4?
The S4, S5 and N3 all are easy to root, but other than a trend, does not mean much for the N4 (besides not a negative trend)
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Because we assume that the S5 and N4 are going to be very similar on the software side. If the S5 has root there is a very good possibility that the N4 will also get root. Not guaranteed but good chance.
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No offense since just asking. Why is it good news for devices not the N4 being rooted since this thread would inherently be for the N4?
The S4, S5 and N3 all are easy to root, but other than a trend, does not mean much for the N4 (besides not a negative trend)
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The S4, S5, and N3 are not easy to root.
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Because we assume that the S5 and N4 are going to be very similar on the software side. If the S5 has root there is a very good possibility that the N4 will also get root. Not guaranteed but good chance.
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Eventually maybe. It's important to keep in mind that the note 4 uses a 3.10 Linux kernel while all previous phones (s4, s5, n3) used 3.4 Linux kernel. Meaning if a new exploit for S5 is found it doesn't mean it would work for the Note 4 while it's likely to work on s4, and note 3.
looks like the tmobile note 4 already has root. I hope that same method works for verizon
How did they root the TM? I am curious if Towel Root will root the Note4 since it roots so many different phones including the Note3.
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How did they root the TM? I am curious if Towel Root will root the Note4 since it roots so many different phones including the Note3.
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Towel root won't root the note 4 it hasn't had a update since June it's no longer supported and has been patch with newer kernels. As for t-mobile it was root by Chainfire who is very popular for finding root methods for us.
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Towel root won't root the note 4 it hasn't had a update since June it's no longer supported and has been patch with newer kernels. As for t-mobile it was root by Chainfire who is very popular for finding root methods for us.
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He'll probably do it for the VZW as well. I can live with just root and since Hashcode quit Safestrap I'm sure root will be all it will get.
I don't mind TW.
Might be time to look at the Nexus again.
Sure no one knows at this point, but would it be best to ignore any updates that come out (I know I am glad I did not take any with my note 2 as I was lucky to get my phone unlocked with the release version). Another question I have is once its rooted how hard is it to keep root after updates?
Wyatt W
Chainfire unlocking VZW Note 4
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He'll probably do it for the VZW as well. I can live with just root and since Hashcode quit Safestrap I'm sure root will be all it will get.
I don't mind TW.
Might be time to look at the Nexus again.
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He says in his post he won't -- the VZW locked Bootloader makes the phone brick when rooted. No one has ever gotten past the bootloader for the Note 3 yet! Hopefully a Developer version lurks...
There is an OTA already. I wonder if it will make rooting harder. Does anyone know if chainfire has started to try to root our N4?
Sure hope that is not the case, because I don't see me giving up my note 2 until this one is root-able. I am actually seriously considering cancelling my pre-order (which is full price to keep my UDP) and all my accessories that have yet to ship. Basically everything that I really care to do with my phone is somewhere tied into me being able to use xposed modules, wireless tether, etc...
Is it because when we get it our battery problems will be solved and battery life will beat note 5... Strange that full price unlocked phones still no updates but usa carriers have. Disgraceful really... One thing I really like about the iPhone upgrades are fast and for every model with support for older models at least 2 or three years
Santa will bring it.
I agree with you that Samsung are holding 5.1.1 for Note 4 and that's probably not to fix bugs but more likely because they want Note 4 users move to Note 5.
But I don't think Apple is the best example when it comes to updates. They usually release updates that have performances or battery life problem on older iphone's models and only newer models (or the one from the year before) can access to all fonctionalities.
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I agree with you that Samsung are holding 5.1.1 for Note 4 and that's probably not to fix bugs but more likely because they want Note 4 users move to Note 5.
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That can't be true. The 5.1.1 update is only available in the US right now which is the only country (apart from Korea) that will actually get the Note 5.
Yes us cariers... But what about the rest of the world.... Not to mention people who paid full price.
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That can't be true. The 5.1.1 update is only available in the US right now which is the only country (apart from Korea) that will actually get the Note 5.
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I said Note 5 but I think about the S6 Edge+ too.
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Yes us cariers... But what about the rest of the world.... Not to mention people who paid full price.
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read it again.
Is it not normally the case that the clever folk on the XDA forums can make it so that the US firmware for 5.1.1 can work on the international variant 910F?
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Is it not normally the case that the clever folk on the XDA forums can make it so that the US firmware for 5.1.1 can work on the international variant 910F?
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Shouldn't be too much work, but I doubt it would be worth it considering the official update could come any day now. Also Sprint and T-Mobile released the updates, not Samsung, so Samsung could still be holding back the firmware for international Note 4 customers. There's just nothing we can do right now, other than to wait for the update to drop. I'm going to guess we'll see it the same time the Note 5/S6/S6 Edge/S6 Edge Plus (how many top tier phones does one company really need?) gets updates to Android Marshmellow (which is running awesome btw on my Nexus 5).
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Is it not normally the case that the clever folk on the XDA forums can make it so that the US firmware for 5.1.1 can work on the international variant 910F?
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Sammy have screwed things up with lollipop on the sd variants. To get it to boot you need the modem files from the same base. This means to get 5.1.1 tmob booted we'd need the tmob modem. Trust me I've tried every thing I can think of to get either the tmob or sprint releases to boot but no luck
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Shouldn't be too much work, but I doubt it would be worth it considering the official update could come any day now. Also Sprint and T-Mobile released the updates, not Samsung, so Samsung could still be holding back the firmware for international Note 4 customers. There's just nothing we can do right now, other than to wait for the update to drop. I'm going to guess we'll see it the same time the Note 5/S6/S6 Edge/S6 Edge Plus (how many top tier phones does one company really need?) gets updates to Android Marshmellow (which is running awesome btw on my Nexus 5).
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I should add note5 firmware doesnt have stagefright fix too. They will want to add that fix in note 4 firmware aswell.
Guys will Touchwuiz Themes will be added in 5.1.1 update ?
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I dont think so. Samsung wants you to buy s6 or Note 5... then u got themes when u pay cash
I don't think Samsung is holding back updates because of their selling policy. The usual customer doesn't know abou it. We on xda are keeping an eye on the updates, but we are probably just 1% and that isn't significant.
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I don't think Samsung is holding back updates because of their selling policy. The usual customer doesn't know abou it. We on xda are keeping an eye on the updates, but we are probably just 1% and that isn't significant.
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That is a valid argument, but most regular people at the store normally go for the phone with the newer android version, so even for regular Joes it matters.
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That is a valid argument, but most regular people at the store normally go for the phone with the newer android version, so even for regular Joes it matters.
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I don't know...I'm just saying that my family is just buying the newer phones and they don't know what android version they are getting. I recently got my brothers note3 to use and he didn't update at all since he buyed it. And I think he's an avarage user.
The android versions are confusing for the avarage user, not like iOS. Google and Samsung and other manufacturers don't make such big deals of the updates like Apple does.
We've been waiting far too long for 5.1.1, I must say. Samsung truly have taken their time.
I've had the S2, S3 and S4, and never waited this long for updates.
I am loving my Note 4 more than any other Samsung...heck any phone in general I've owned, that is including more than my 1st smartphone, the Nokia N80, which I absolutely adored. Yet I can't help but feel Samsung is letting down what has to be their greatest smartphone in recent times with slow updates, its such a shame really.
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We've been waiting far too long for 5.1.1, I must say. Samsung truly have taken their time.
I've had the S2, S3 and S4, and never waited this long for updates.
I am loving my Note 4 more than any other Samsung...heck any phone in general I've owned, that is including more than my 1st smartphone, the Nokia N80, which I absolutely adored. Yet I can't help but feel Samsung is letting down what has to be their greatest smartphone in recent times with slow updates, its such a shame really.
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Never waited this long for updates? Seriously, seems like you never owned a Galaxy Note N7000. More than 8 months waiting for the Jelly Bean 4.1.2 update and one year for Carrier Updates. The best treated Note was the Galaxy Note 2, which recived JB 4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4 Kitkat and even Lollipop was planned for it. But yes, now that the Note 5 is released, we need to wait a couple of months to see a big update for our Note 4. I'm pretty sure that Android 6.0 Marshmallow will be the last one, sadly, knowing Samsung and their update policy.
It is very simple. They delay 5.1.1 because of Note 5. They want customer have more reasons to upgrade, to buy their new phone. And if they do like 5.0.1, just upgrade OS core, no more features like on S6, Note 4 user will be disappointed with them. Many user want removable battery, better battery life option, sd card support so they will not upgrade soon!
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It is very simple. They delay 5.1.1 because of Note 5. They want customer have more reasons to upgrade, to buy their new phone. And if they do like 5.0.1, just upgrade OS core, no more features like on S6, Note 4 user will be disappointed with them. Many user want removable battery, better battery life option, sd card support so they will not upgrade soon!
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You are right, this is the truth.
I will keep my Note 4 (KitKat 4.4.4), I downgrade from 5.0.1 because of bugs and I will not update my Note 4 to any new firmware unless it will be bug free as much as the 4.4.4 firmware.
that will lead me to change my mind regarding what is next after Note 4 (My next smartphone) ?!!!
I will think twice before buying something from Samsung, specially after using glass for building their smartphones.