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King is almost done with his AOSP rom....looks incredible from what i can see...check out his site and go to the forums for more details......
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Hmm... how long til this thread gets closed too?
Hey... This thing makes phone calls too!
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Hmm... how long til this thread gets closed too?
Hey... This thing makes phone calls too!
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Yep this is the same guy posting garbage about getting update to GB on his Nexus. I recognize this fool by his exclamation marks.
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Yep this is the same guy posting garbage about getting update to GB on his Nexus. I recognize this fool by his exclamation marks.
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Ok so the guy got banned. Does that mean anything related to his work is forbidden on XDA?
Sent while sitting on the toilet.
I'm sure he will charge people to use his work and get support because of course he made it from scratch with no help..
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I'm sure he will charge people to use his work and get support because of course he made it from scratch with no help..
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this ! <--- THIS !!
I sort of like sense, until the level of the android integration changes, as it's supposed to ˜32 for GB. Last I saw king was sorting it out and testing the wifi stuff.
The issue with all of android development is the "glue" which holds the pieces together. The changes in frameworks (new releases..) necessitates changes in the "glue". So whether it's changes to arguments, changes to calls, changes to tunnels / pipes, semaphores, locks, all these take work. Code does not compile and test itself, yet (lol). So a system integrator, which is what devs do, earns its (non-sexist) keep by using other peoples / coders stuff.
Vision is what all the devs have. Vision to see how the pieces should fit together. So I support his sorry ass, till this site comes to the same realization. I also support others. I fully appreciate their work and effort. How can people expect code for free? F off the devs are entitled to remuneration. Supporters fill the niche of testers, I almost wish the stuff was first given, then issued to supporters. As it is, we test, you benefit, back asswords...
So Kings AOSP rom is in his forum and he has done bunch of stuff to make it work. Decadence, Flipz, Birdman, Hill, Koush, Cyanogen, Amon_RA, Hero_over, KingX, and everybody else who "devs" should be names you remember at this start of a new genera of personal computing. Stories to tell your kids... "see that xxx on the TV, that's my software."
BTW if google is going to compete with MS, it had better start funding.
I am amazed that these people provide stuff, and people have the gall to comment on them, IT'S THE CODE, not the coder.
Amen.
Lotsa small minded folks... gotta coddle em', cajole' em, and hope that the code/Roms themselves take centerstage.. not they're drama.
The site in question requires registration for most downloads and requires donations as well for certain things (aka selling).
I am sorry, but I will have to close this thread.
i have a rooted fascinate, no im not posting where my 2.2 update is, it'll get here when it gets here, more that this is a call out to any devs and end users like myself that are tired of the same old rom styles and themes. Some roms are straight beautiful, like Thatdudebutch's super dark v1, and sos3 blackhole, whereas some just seem too stock-ish to me.
Where is the imagination? The creativity? I know devs are always working they're ass's off to bring us the next best port or rom based off insert other rom name here... but im ready for the dev that says hey i created this from scratch...
Maybe its just me, maybe im being a whiney ass lol, but i think its time devs started using what they think is cool, not what everyone else thinks is cool. If the enduser doesnt like the rom/theme, then boo ****in hoo and they can use something else.
Like i think SONOFSKYWALKER3's idea of build your own rom was a huge breakthrough in end user controlled customization, but its still using whats already available to us in either stock, or from the select few top 3 roms.
Please guys, (devs too) Show us what you can really do, make that rom that takes our breath away. We will love you for it...i will love you for it (metaphorically speaking of course lol)
Show us what you can do too
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Progress is progress. The devs are porting gb to the Fascinate, that's a start in real customization. Just wait, the devs are already working hard. If your pushing them so hard, why don't you help? Seriously, its this disappointment in devs that ruins a devs commitment.
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Why must everything be taken so negatively? I read this first post and saw it as inspiration. I can see that the devs who make roms make it for the general public not for themselves, and I think thats why they make them so similar to each other, as thats what most people like. I feel that a dev isn't really ready to go out of his/her way to bust they're ass and make a rom that only they and a handful of others are going to use.
All in all, I think the OPer made a good point in "challenging" the devs to 'unleash' their creativity into the atmosphere and make somthing of their own that they are truely balls to the wall about.
Just my 2 cents.
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Progress is progress. The devs are porting gb to the Fascinate, that's a start in real customization. Just wait, the devs are already working hard. If your pushing them so hard, why don't you help? Seriously, its this disappointment in devs that ruins a devs commitment.
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I agree completely...remember the devs don't have to do what they do for us...if it was as simple as 1,2,3 then everyone would create their own roms for themselves...
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The problem is, there's more worth in porting gingerbread and then porting other roms like cyangenmod which are easier to customize, than customizing samsung's firmware updates.
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If the enduser doesnt like the rom/theme, then boo ****in hoo and they can use something else.
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Yeah.. so what was the point of your post again?
Not at all trying to be negative, but what exactly are you looking for?
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you are all missing the point of my post
its not to bash devs, its not to berate anyone, nor was it to solicit "why dont you do it yourself" comments. But since thats how everyone is going to take it, i guess i need to clarify. What i meant by devs making what they think is cool is for them to use their imagination and make their roms and themes unique. Too many roms out there have been sourced from others...not that this is a bad thing as there are beautiful works of art available to all who wants to flash them..
These devs bust their ass to make these things for us and i respect that with all my being, and i appreciate all that they do. My hats off to all of them. But, again, wheres the creativity? Why must they be forced to use what is already in the eclair, froyo, and Gingerbread roms as their inspiration? These guys can take 0's and 1's and turn them into something beautiful that cant be taken seriously in just pictures. In the last 3 days i have flashed more things to my phone than i can hardly count, yes i have screwed my phone up and recovered, but im not here explaining without experiencing the world of flashing.
Why dont i help out....i'd love to yet im not programmer. I have zero idea how coding and programming and bitmapping works. Thats why we have developers. Im not here to bash anyone. I go to school currently to be a master mechanic, therefore computer programming is worlds different from installing and tuning a greddy turbo, or replacing a radiator, or even doing a tune up on (insert friends name here)'s car.
Im calling out to devs to stop being restrained by the limitations we as endusers have put on them, to indirectly force their hand in creating something they may not like but we will because otherwise people out there will gripe and complain. Devs, make what YOU want. There are limitless capabilities to be had in android because its so open. As developers you are the ones who provide for us when the manufacturers fail to hold up their word/rumor/promise/ etc, i dont want you to think that you have to make these for us, i want you to want to make these for us. Without you developers we would all be stuck to a basic android existence harkening to that of apple and its lockdown on whats what.
I wanna see creations from your darkest fantasies about android. I want to see the rom that gets you all hot and bothered. I want to see the theme that you got the inspiration for while you were driving around town or watching a movie. Dammit guys, make what you want to see android be, enough being the lambs, its time to be the lion. When phone manufacturers fail, where do we turn? To you devs. You. I cant even begin to describe how much respect i have for what you do for us.
I'll finish this off with something for the people who will no doubt bash me and flame because i need to do it myself, or im being to hard on them, or i'm just being a whiny little *****. boo hoo. get over it. Its my post, regarding my OPINION. I didnt force any of you to view it. to read it. to comment on it. the fact that you did shows that each one of you feels the same way i do. We all love android. We all love what the devs do. Why should we hold them back from what their imaginations can design? What gives us the right to do that....
Respect devs...always and forever from me....respect.
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Why dont i help out....i'd love to yet im not programmer. I have zero idea how coding and programming and bitmapping works. Thats why we have developers.
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Well, you don't have to be a programmer to be "creative". In the design process all sorts of people are involved, and you could think up a concept. You could design a concept so great that a programmer would like at it and think it's great and decide to bring it to life. But asking people to be creative on your behalf, and using "i'm not a programmer" as an excuse to be a spectator is simply selfish I gotta say. Not trying to bash you too much, but simply saying there's many ways to be useful.
Jdkzombie is right...when linus developed the linux kernel he basically said....here it is, go forth and multiply...,now we have tons of different flavors and styles of linux. Android is awesome in its own right but we are only customizing something already there. (Devs....i definately mean no disrespect... ). The only thing i've seen so far that has bent that rule is MIUI. but that is too close to an iphone for me. I think what jdk is trying to say is...,where are the truely custom roms with wild and crazy user interfaces. I don't think jdk is asking the devs to stop what they are doing by no means...but maybe jdks asking why can't we all b more creative and come together as a community and come up with one ourselves with ideas from all of us...,and then find devs to take the plunge and make it happen. It all starts with an IDEA. So why not...,instead of bashing in this forum... ,let's start posting things we might want to be different in android and see what happens.
Think about it...,ubuntu linux- "your name here" android?
Thanks to all, devs, themers, and the users who have donated and contributed feedback over the years to make android what it is.
I may not post here much, but when i see something worth posting about i have to add MY opinion....and that's all it is.
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i think the op has a nice idea, but this probably isnt the phone to realize it on.
we have a handful of very talented devs, but really there time is mostly tied up in attempting to right the wrongs that samsung has done to us, by working on aosp/froyo/gb whatever.
the n1/ns community (or i9000) might be the guys you d want to bring your ideas to, as they have a global base of devs and their communities dwarf ours to the point of ridiculousness
See tho, one of the first lessons they teach you in most programming courses nowadays is "why reinvent the wheel?" It's there, it does it's job, why not build on top of that framework that already exists. This is the foundational principle of software engineering.
Think about it like this: you are in the woods and need to build a fire. You have plenty of dry wood, small kindling materials, and matches. Why would you go to the trouble of locating a striker stone and a piece of Flint to use to try and start the fire when you already have matches. You wouldn't unless you had no alternative or just liked to take the inefficient route for the sake of itself.
Another way to think of it is like this:
If I needed to drive from here in Mississippi to Nevada, I wouldn't build a car to drive if I already had one.
Devs are trying g to give us the most bang for our buck and that means using the tools and frameworks already in place.
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Well, you don't have to be a programmer to be "creative". In the design process all sorts of people are involved, and you could think up a concept. You could design a concept so great that a programmer would like at it and think it's great and decide to bring it to life. But asking people to be creative on your behalf, and using "i'm not a programmer" as an excuse to be a spectator is simply selfish I gotta say. Not trying to bash you too much, but simply saying there's many ways to be useful.
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Why must you assume i havent already given my thoughts and ideas to several devs and "themers" on IRC. I have frequented that site for a good amount of time the past handful of days, both getting assistance with "de-bricking" my phone when i flash a no no to my device, and helping out who i can with their own problems.
It isnt just just me that should be "expected" to come up with new ideas here. I expect everyone to have something to contribute if you are going to post your comments (i use the word "your" in reference to everyone, not just anyone in particular)
You want a bit of my idea? I wanted to see a rom where the screens scroll vertically. Not horizontally like they "all" do. Where when you swipe the screen from left to right it open "your" favorite app. Swipe the screen from right to left and it opens the app try. I have also mentioned that a quick 3 tap on the home screen would zoom out showing a carousel of sorts that you can scroll through to select 1 of 9 home screens that can be filled to burst with your favorite widgets and apps. I dont have a preset color idea. Instead that we be afforded a color "wheel" to choose ourselves what collor basic things are. Be afforded to opportunity to make multiple themes like with ADW, that can installed "into" the rom. I assume everyone has seen the DROID commercials where the two robots select a few apps in the giant app "planet." That would be a sweet app tray wouldnt it? Would it be impossible? I dont know, since i have no idea how programming works. But im sure it would be quite the undertaking.
I would hope that this could be a place for anyone to post their ideas as well, not just mine. I also have this distinct feeling that as of my posts i will be held to a "imaginary" standard that it will be my obligation to post ideas and inspirations. But then therin lies my issue with roms today in general. These roms arent being made for me. If a developer makes anything like my idea, i want it to be something they want to see in android, not just because someone else said hey you develop roms, why dont you make this so i can have it.
This isnt/wasnt/never will be a thread to bash anyone including devs, themers, end users (other posters, but thats my point.) I wont bother to say im not going to be the only one. I dont have to post that. The sheer fact that you (the general population that bothers to read this thread) shows that wish there was more creativity, more originality,....hell....more of the "DEV" in his/her creation than anything else. It would make a developers rom/theme so much more their creation. So when someone says hey i have (for example) ThatDudeButch's new theme, its unique to HIM....the developer... and someone else that has a theme by Adiliyo (also for example) its going to be unique to HIM. Im really hoping all of you have the mental capacity (i used that term for lack of a better one, no offense intended for anyone) and the maturity level to understand that this is a challenge to all who design, develop, or theme, or even just dream to no longer be limited by the general public. Design whatever makes you get a stiffy if thats what it takes. What with the new 2.3 android os out, why should we hold the devs to make different copies of whats out. Why cant we encourage them to make the unthinkable....the un imagined...the roms that arent bound to a single line of influence.
If you (everyone and anyone) are going to post here simply to flame me for speaking my mind about what i would love to see roms and themes become, then perhaps you should consider keeping your comments to yourselves. BUT, this being a public forum, and i am no moderator, i cannot make anyone not post here, nor what they post about, so with that i will only ask that you not just post for the sake of singling out a line of any of my posts to make a snide comment on how its up to me/i need to design it/being too hard on devs ruining their commitment/etc etc. If we werent hard on engineers/developers/programmers in world-wide view considering the design of everything we use today, we wouldnt be in possession of the technological breakthroughs that we have now. We would all still have bag phones. Model A fords, if even that, we would still be riding horses....might i even be bold enough to state we wouldnt even be out of the stone age if it hadnt been for someone somewhere pushing those who build to do bigger and better things.
Please, use common sense people. Im simply issuing a challenge to devs/themers to not be constrained by our ideals. Again, to make what THEY want to make. Remember, they dont have to do this for us, so why cant they build what they want. And thats why i respect what they do.
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Im not asking for a new wheel, only a more efficient one. Thats such an over-cliched term anyways and has no merit (in my view) If we never reinvented anything, we'd not be in the possession of these beauties of creation we have today. I bet someone told Henry Ford why reinvent the wheel when he said lets have a car that can be available to the common man. Do you think Ford would be the automotive supergiant they are now if he had followed that advice? Do you think we would have Windows OS, Mac, or any of the other available computing OS's that we have now would be available now if the designers had followed your sage advice?
Please realize, im not bashing you, any of you, im not going to stoop that low. We are all adults here, and even some teenagers, whom i hope utilize that powerful muscle between their ears before they use their fingers, so why must we criticize? Why cant we , as so eloquently put in an earlier post, come together as a community and share ideas.
Just saying.
Yeah, but see all those things you mentioned arent revolutionary leaps of accomplishment, but simply evolution of existing products... refinements..
Henry Ford simply took the concepts of mass production, the assembly line, and interchangeable parts, and applied them to the automotive field. He didn't invent something new, he "engineered" something better from what was already there. He made cars more affordable, available, and easier to repair.
Technology is no different... mechanical switches to electric switches to vacuum tubes to transistors to integrated circuits, they are just extensions of what's there.
We don't still use carburetors because fuel injection is more efficient, largely because it can meter the fuel more precisely, especially at idle. But..the first fuel injection setups were just electronic carburetors, with the old central port fuel injection systems... even the newer ones still do the same thing, just more precisely...
I'd love a smartphone that could read my thoughts and had a neural interface with zero lag. Is it coming.... who knows....is it a reinvention... no, just another step in between a previous one and the next.
Something to ponder.... at the core of all operating systems is basic math.
Add one value to another and put the result here. Stick the right combo of values in the right set of registers and a pixel lights up on the screen. That's the way machine language works...so all software is an evolution of ones and zeros...
A switch is on, 1 a switch is off, 0... so basically computers are just a big ginormous pile of light switches, lol..
Anyways.... I agree, I'd live to see some real neat stuff for android, but at some point, you'd have to throw out android to make it radically different, and then it would just be yet ANOTHER attempt at a mobile os to further fragment things....instead of moving forward, we'd be moving sideways....not as bad as moving backwards, but not progress either....
That's
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Just curious, but... How do you know devs aren't creating what they want? Why would they waste time building something that they didn't want to do?
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....instead of moving forward, we'd be moving sideways....not as bad as moving backwards, but not progress either....
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I totally agree with you, but yet i also disagree. Which isnt a bad thing, at least we are agreeing to disagree i suppose lol But the point still stands. Why....why must we make do with what we have? Why not bring forth innovation? Is that not how progress is made? Im not looking for an overnight change in the way roms are designed. I only asking that the devs make it a challenge for themselves. Make something they havent done before. Im just winging this without black and white information, but how do we know that manufacturers dont look at these roms for their inspiration?
I'm only asking for that one ambitious dev who needs a challenge to strive for that next peg. The next rung on the ladder of progress. Yes Henry Ford didnt invent the automobile, but with his bringing the assembly line to his own needs he created something huge. Thats what im hoping devs will do for android. When we tire of out normal phone interfaces, to whom do we turn? Yes. thats right, these hard working devs. A vast majority of them create wonders with whats available to them. Others simply tweak and twist certain aspects to their own taste.
A phone that reads out thoughts with a neural interface with zero lag would indeed be a nice addition, but im certain 10 years down the road such a thing may come to be, but thats 10 years from now, if not more. Don't sell yourself short however, all ideas are welcome to me and to this thread. Its odd though, that with all the posts here i seem to be the only one who has put idea to page.
And to mr kevin gossett, How do we know they ARE. We dont. Its as simple as that. All that we can do is hope that there is a dev or 2 or even 3 out there that are willing to bring forth the new age of roms. We turn to these men and women because we are bored with our phones stock rom/theme, so why must the devs and us as end users together suffer the same style in the aftermarket themes and roms? Again not bashing devs here, just stating my opinion, that they need to make something that they love. there WILL be end users out there that will use their roms/themes. I still think some of you are missing my point with all of this, and instead strive to create some echelon of conflict purely for conflicts sake.
View my thread and posts as possible inspiration for the future. Not a bashing, or flaming of those who design for us. The DEVS create the roms, but the devs didnt design what they wanted to see, instead what we wanted to see. And i would love to see that reversed. The DEVS create what THEY want to see, and we use whatever we find to our tastes.
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I think I understand what the OP is saying... But at the same time I kind of understand the other side of the fence. Coding is hard, and you must be very precise, and most of these guys are doing it for free. But I know what jdk is meaning....
I think he feels that the devs are limited in what they can create because they are branching off of other works and what people like. I think he wants to see what crazy ass stuff devs can come up with. he wants their creativities to explode all over his face. He wants to see what people can imagine and create. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as he understands the devs, that they have lives, they do this for free, and its hard work, which I think he does understand. I think he's just trying to inspire some folk.
As I presume you all know, lately there have been a verbal fight between our great Devs. Today it grew up in flames. I don't want to quote 'cause there are some curses and insults.
It is not all about it. It is about that we need all of our good devs "to work" for us and bring the best for our phones.
So Jerp & Trip and of course Z we appreciate all of your work. You all are the best and we like to see more and more from the amazing things you create.
Please devs, reconcile each other. We don't want to loose any of you. We need you!
I call everyone to express their feelings about this and let's hope everything will end up in a positive way.
Lets all pay our tribute to T, J & Z. We love you guys!!!
Although I can't see any of us having any real effect on whether the devs make up and play nice, here's my view...
They're all acting like children as far as I'm concerned. "So and so didn't give me credit!" "So and so stole my work!" "So and so blah blah blah."
This entire episode is completely unnecessary. None of the devs have a fully functional ROM, nor do they seem to want to work together to achieve anything of worth. They're more concerned with who's done what and who can get the latest and greatest out first, all the while leaving us a trail of half-arsed ROMs that we have to mix and match to get the best results. To be totally honest here, I haven't bothered with any of the ROMs personally because there so many issues and no one is taking the time to sort them out before running off the be the first to...<insert whatever super epic ROM here>.
This is open source. If the devs aren't capable of understanding that sometimes, you might not be individually thanked, or someone might not point and go "Oh hey look! It's Z! (Or J, or T or L M N O P)". In the end, the goal should be the same. Right now it's not.
My advice, grow up, work with each other and stop worrying about the glamor of it all. In the end, your toilet smells the same (or pretty damn close) to the other guy's.
+1 nekkidtruth - It's all a bit pathetic really. They need to regain their grip on reality.. Individually they're good - clearly better than most... but if they were to actually make some effort to work together then, well, good things would come to pass I'm sure.
They will earn more respect and kudos from achieving something as a team than they will fighting amongst themselves to try to be the first..
Fingers crossed for a positive outcome!
While I'm not entirely sure what's been going on today, I'm of the same opinion as nekkidtruth. The whole X10 development is all over the place and needs some sort of Team working on one ROM. We don't really need the 2.1 variants that are all out there (which seem to me as just 2.1 themed with JIT hashed on).
I don't like this whole closed source kinda feel to the whole thing between the devs either. What's wrong with sticking the sources on something like GIThub and working together to modify, build, compile.. whatever?
It's just my 2 pence worth, which isn't really anything.
You guys totally miss the point and have not done anything that requires long periods of work for a project that requires very specialized knowledge.
Open source DOES NOT mean that anyone can take your work and claim it as theirs. Yes, Android is open source because anyone can take it without paying huge licensing fees and everyone knows that it's maintained by Google Inc.
In the case of the devs here, j & z did work that trip took without giving credit and used it as his own as if he did all the work. J & z always clearly states where he got some code from. In one case j used some code that trip made and gave credit. Once any dev releases a rom, the YES, it's out there in the open for anyone to use, but it's a d-bag move to claim it as all your own work. J & z said that all they wanted was credit and no money eventhough Trip was getting donations. Trip then blew a gasket and here we are today.
Even Glenn Beck has to give credit to Thomas Paine for Common Sense.
I've observed Trip's behavior to be, well, "Trippy", in addition to being completely and utterly ill-mannered. I've also seen trippy [pun intended] users engage other non-trippy users into unnecessary exchanges of abuses and insults, complete with another user handling the PR for 'Trip' in his absence.
Brilliant.
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I didn't miss any point. I call it as I see it. Children in a school yard having a castle building contest trying to build the best/largest castle. This is nothing more than that. Open source is open source, either it's open or it's not. If you can't handle someone else using your work, don't bother. If you feel you absolutely need to be patted on the back every single time someone uses even the tiniest snippet of your code, why bother?
I've worked on plenty of large projects. I've worked along side many people and solo'd as well. The fact of the matter is, they're building ROMs for an open source OS on a phone. Their paths are going to cross. Rather than work together, they'd rather bicker.
Can someone sum up this whole dev beef going on or show me the thread where it went down?
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I didn't miss any point. I call it as I see it. Children in a school yard having a castle building contest trying to build the best/largest castle. This is nothing more than that. Open source is open source, either it's open or it's not. If you can't handle someone else using your work, don't bother. If you feel you absolutely need to be patted on the back every single time someone uses even the tiniest snippet of your code, why bother?
I've worked on plenty of large projects. I've worked along side many people and solo'd as well. The fact of the matter is, they're building ROMs for an open source OS on a phone. Their paths are going to cross. Rather than work together, they'd rather bicker.
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So you're fine with plagiarism. Got it. Please send me any and all of your work that I can profit from. I will be sure not to give you any credit whatsoever and call it my own. TIA
edit: It's more than snippets in this case and x10 devs on xda is a small community. There's a difference and you should realize it.
Open source doesn't mean laissez faire. Android is open source; HTC Sense is not. With your rationale, then all the programs on the market should just be renamed and sold without any credits to the original devs.
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Can someone sum up this whole dev beef going on or show me the thread where it went down?
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Trip used some sources from j & z to compile his own rom which he released and got donations for. Z called him out on it and asked him either to take it down or give a credit. Trip then had a meltdown and took his roms down.
Earlier today, trip saw that j had some code of trips in the 2.3.2 rom and called him out on it. J then took the rom down, gave credit, and is uploading his own rom from top to bottom.
If someone's in a mood for some really nice playing devs, just look here and here. That's how I got to know xda-developers.com. You'd be excited how strong the atmosphere in different sections of the same forum can differ
And, surprise: jerpelea also developed there, and as usual he did an incredible job by porting a (almost) fully working X2 ROM to X1
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So you're fine with plagiarism. Got it. Please send me any and all of your work that I can profit from. I will be sure not to give you any credit whatsoever and call it my own. TIA
edit: It's more than snippets in this case and x10 devs on xda is a small community. There's a difference and you should realize it.
Open source doesn't mean laissez faire. Android is open source; HTC Sense is not. With your rationale, then all the programs on the market should just be renamed and sold without any credits to the original devs.
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Don't be ridiculous. I said nothing of the sort. If you're going to put words in my mouth, don't bother replying. I simply said it can and does happen and should be expected. If you can't handle that part about "open source", why bother?
nekkidtruth said:
Don't be ridiculous. I said nothing of the sort. If you're going to put words in my mouth, don't bother replying. I simply said it can and does happen and should be expected. If you can't handle that part about "open source", why bother?
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I'm just using your logic brother. Don't get mad at me for following the logical conclusions of what you propose.
Trip was making money off it and you're ok with it because of "open source" fundamentalism, which is bs because it's something you don't even really believe in anyways.
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's ok and should be tolerated by the community.
will.m said:
I'm just using your logic brother. Don't get mad at me for following the logical conclusions of what you propose.
Trip was making money off it and you're ok with it because of "open source" fundamentalism, which is bs because it's something you don't even really believe in anyways.
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's ok and should be tolerated by the community.
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I'm not mad "brother". I just don't see this little high school hissy fit going on between the devs as anyone's fault in particular. They all contributed to what happened. Also, stop putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
has trip written anything of his own, or even finished a rom?
nekkidtruth said:
I'm not mad "brother". I just don't see this little high school hissy fit going on between the devs as anyone's fault in particular. They all contributed to what happened. Also, stop putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
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Then back up what you say with examples and not nebulous platitudes filled with false equivalence and your own hissy fit about a hissy fit.
Z asking for credit IS NOT the same as Trip freaking out about it. All trip had to do was add "thanks to j & z for x."
F this. I'm done with you. It's like talking to a dining room table. Enjoy your hissy fit.
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has trip written anything of his own, or even finished a rom?
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Yes, he's written his own stuff, but no, all his roms are in progress.
will.m said:
Then back up what you say with examples and not nebulous platitudes filled with false equivalence and your own hissy fit about a hissy fit.
Z asking for credit IS NOT the same as Trip freaking out about it. All trip had to do was add "thanks to j & z for x."
F this. I'm done with you. It's like talking to a dining room table. Enjoy your hissy fit.
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You're the one throwing a hissy fit Lol.
Besides, I don't need to conform to your opinion on this issue. I have formed my own thank you.
Side note: I've seen Trip thank J & Z so many times. What? Did he forget to do it ONE time? Lol. What a joke.
Trip can take his half a$$ed roms elsewhere since he is obviously the problem here..
Honestly I can't understand how some people use their half-worked ROMs anyway
I either go with full working-stable ROM or just stay with the stock ROM as it seems more stable than their junk ROMs ( yes, I said junk, people here call apps from SE junk, why can't I do the same with half-completed work? ) no offence to anyone
The latest Android upgrade has seen a sudden burst of emotion from every corner. From blessings to curses, everyone has been eager to slap on their comments with much vigor, and all the more brutality.
New users wanting to flaunt their know-how, ancient developers suddenly coming out of hibernation to groan at the state of affairs, and worst of all, people squabbling and hurling accusations at our till-a-week-ago awesome developers for anything and everything wrong under the sun (and perhaps beyond it as well)
Instead of cribbing, groaning and showering multitudes of discouraging statements across entire threads, why not do something fruitful?
Why not use that BIG SEARCH BAR before your fingers start flying over the keyboard?
Why not read each and every guide so painstakingly compiled by the developers, thoroughly?
Why not for once actually follow each and every step rather than show just how omniscient we can be?
Developers here devote so much of their time (4 of them even bricked their phones) just to bring us the best there is, the best there can be. And all we do is quickly lap it up, sing praises, write eulogies, but when things go awry, point our fingers at them?
I think this calls for some retrospection. I am no established developer, nor do I claim to be one. Testing releases, providing genuine feedback and helping in my own little way is the most I can do. And even that somehow gets frustrating when you're faced with the same questions again and again.
Think of what the devs have to face when they're 'judged' by us, when they are bombarded with personal messages asking stupid questions, and on the whole not allowed to do what they want to do.
I might be going overboard, but I feel the message has to reach out to every corner. Help each other, show your support; you wouldn't be biting into your sandwiches if they hadn't splashed the ice-cream on for you.
If something's wrong, cry yourself a river.
But then don't forget to build a bridge and get over it.
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When we talk of responsibility towards other users, it implies that we do not DELIBERATELY try to cause any form of damage to the user or to his device. And I am sure that is the last thing on anyone's mind (or so I hope).
And if we still want to enter into the legal technicalities of the issue, I can very well claim without hesitation that whenever any person willingly signs up for forums of these kind, willingly and consciously attempts to execute any process listed herein - he automatically loses immunity to any loss he may incur as a result of his actions, and thereby forfeits any semblance of legal refuge that he might have.
Despite this, developers post repeated warnings in their guides and that is the best that they can do. Users must understand that what they undertake is at their own risk. No point arguing on the fact that Super User X or Noob User Y bricked his phone because of something that Uber Cool Dev Z posted in any of the threads.
We don't know what we want.
Yet we are willing to fight to the death to get it?
Peace and Respect. Everybody.
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make this a sticky!
we dont only devote our time, 4 of us have bricked devices at the moment
JamieD81 said:
we dont only devote our time, 4 of us have bricked devices at the moment
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yeah, unfortunate.
Sticky this mod
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Sticky this mod
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^ +10
the best description to this is that its like a Roulette, you wont now when you are hitting the jackpot (sorry im not good with sarcasm.. haha)
i do believe at first that the problem does not exist due to small incidents of brick and most came from LEAK... but once i started reading people who got bricked for wiping on stock recovery, people getting unrecoverable /data and /system partitions, i decided to give up the "amazing" ICS until all problems are ironed out... i flashed GB using pc odin and gave up on chrome beta and nova launcher...
OPTION 1 (the dangerous path) : short usage of ICS (not knowing when and how it will end, but i think at this point you know how notes die..lol) and have longer suffering of having a bricked note (as for me im just a student and it is a gift)...
OPTION 2 (playing the WAITING GAME) : having GB for a while or a few weeks as i deduct and wait for a better ICS in the future...
if you ask me, I'm Playing the WAITING GAME....
That's the best thing I've heard all week
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Sticky?
why isn't this being made a sticky?
And yeah, awesome toolbar toxic!
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I think this message needs to get to everyone... but I don't think its Sticky Worthy.
I mean this is just Common Sense, and I wished that people who risk tinkering with their device to have more of it than those who don't.
Sometimes I see people being ignorant and ignoring posts/instructions and resulting in a brick and sitting behind this screen I think "man you kind of deserved that one" though I don't necessarily condone that response. I try to PM them, or help them... but I see how it can start to get "too much".
I think people need to understand this: Developers are doing this FOR FREE, and they are doing it in THEIR SPARE TIME. If they don't use netiquette and xda-rules, they should try to solve their problems themselves by learning the skills and making builds in THEIR TIME. Or they should pay someone hundreds, nay thousands of dollars to work several weeks by taking some time off from their usual work to develop.
I can see the problem. Its common sense, its just not common.
Damn that was a long rant, I'll shut up now.
Totally agree.
As for the sticky request, it was made when sentiments were running high and devices getting bricked. Guess it caught the mood of the times...
But doesn't imply it still isn't relevant.
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Well said!
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Kangal said:
I mean this is just Common Sense,.
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no sticky needed
I think the biggest whiners are the handful of regulars who think they own the forum and constantly bash others, both new and old, whenever they ask even the simplest and most innocuous jelly bean questions. Even with the stickies, any forum in xda is always a mess of info, both good and bad, poorly written, and conflicting. Not to mention this stuff changes at a drop of a hat, and is frequently wrong. As long as xda allows noobs to easily sign up and post, because this is a public forum after all, there will always be an endless stream of noob questions, especially about jelly bean. Asking about something, especially WHY isn't it out yet, does not constitute whining. It's actually on-topic. Littering every other post complaining about the noobs however, IS WHINING. If you are so annoyed, go create a private forum of your own. Maybe go lobby xda to ban everyone that asks a dumb question, which is pretty much 99% of the users here. Or you could just get off your soapbox, learn to skim past posts you are not interested in, and STOP WHINING.
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How many project treble threads do we need?
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Apology accepted
Also can I point out, a lot of the pie gsis don't have access points in the settings, hence the need for the editor.
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if you are like me that's what you need and you don't want to get flamed for asking too many questions as XDA is a developer site. If I've had an attitude here I seriously apologize and I mean it I'm not just saying that and it will not ever happen again.
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I hope you realize nobody has anything against asking questions. In fact, it's encouraged. You got "flamed" because of the way you handled the answers you got.
It wasn't exactly flaming either. You flat out insulted the members offering help because it wasn't detailed enough. And the suggestions offered assumed you done a bit research beforehand. And you got the appropriate response.
You were then spoon-fed the answer and here you are, still playing the victim of "flaming".
Ask as many questions as it takes, seriously. That's never a problem. Just don't insult the members answering because they don't spoon feed it to you.
I noticed you linked my guide on how to root without given me proper credits for even making that guide... I'll give 24 hours for that to change. If it wasn't for me hosting spaceminers twrps ( which I 100% don't mind doing) and my guide there would be a lot more issues my guy lol I think it would be fair to say I contribute enough to get my credits due is all lol hell honestly the group for this phone was starting to die and it was just me barely keeping the forum alive for While until madbat, starkiller2 and spaceminer came on lol
Big yikes on this thread.
madbat99 said:
I hope you realize nobody has anything against asking questions. In fact, it's encouraged. You got "flamed" because of the way you handled the answers you got.
It wasn't exactly flaming either. You flat out insulted the members offering help because it wasn't detailed enough. And the suggestions offered assumed you done a bit research beforehand. And you got the appropriate response.
You were then spoon-fed the answer and here you are, still playing the victim of "flaming".
Ask as many questions as it takes, seriously. That's never a problem. Just don't insult the members answering because they don't spoon feed it to you.
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Just because you think something doesn't mean that's the way it is. I wasn't referring to anything that happened recently with my op.
I was over the whole situation that happened. I admitted I was wrong. Now you come stir things up here?! Minding your own business will eliminate most of your problems in life. If you took what I said here in my op the wrong way that's you. Y'all can have this. I've already wrote and waiting for them to delete my account. So go to sleep tonight knowing that you won the battle that you wouldn't let go of.
I have nothing against anyone here. Sorry , again for what I posted last week. I shouldn't have done it. Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
And to the other person, my bad for not throwing you in the credits. It was a mistake not intentional or personal.
I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
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Just because you think something doesn't mean that's the way it is. I wasn't referring to anything that happened recently with my op.
I was over the whole situation that happened. I admitted I was wrong. Now you come stir things up here?! Minding your own business will eliminate most of your problems in life. If you took what I said here in my op the wrong way that's you. Y'all can have this. I've already wrote and waiting for them to delete my account. So go to sleep tonight knowing that you won the battle that you wouldn't let go of.
I have nothing against anyone here. Sorry , again for what I posted last week. I shouldn't have done it. Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
And to the other person, my bad for not throwing you in the credits. It was a mistake not intentional or personal.
I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
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See I won't say much but from all the stuff I read there was ways to handle stuff that you didn't do to well handling and as bad as it sounds any meme you see about tech or dev community stuff about all of us Basically just being smartasses is kinda true lol you experienced first hand how troublesome this can be now when you take it to seriously lol. If you see all my post I'm basically just being chill and a smartass while still helping just enough for people to still learn, and people realize that and that's the fun of it lol. All of us are just very blunt and forward and we try to keep our stuff "chill". most the guides and other stuff made on here even do say you should have some advanced knowledge of using adb And android which means understanding Android 8 or higher now. Basically anything you may have learned from Android 7 and under is old news after Android 8 and up. Now if we were dealing with a phone that shipped with Android 7 then the knowledge you have would be helpful here. Which is why to try to teach instead of just give lol We all have our own things going but even with what i said being here is sort of like a job and you can't bring your personal life into your worklife ya know. I'm not trying to hate I'm just being forward and honest about this wholeass situation. In the end some of us here are adults so we should also try our best to not make this place look like Reddit by hating each other lmao. Your always welcome in the community bro lol
SM210 said:
Advice section
1. Minding your own .business will eliminate most of your problems in life.
2 Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
3 I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
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1. Big thanks. now that I'm in my forties I was hoping I could get life advice from millennials.
2. Couldn't agree more. Resentment is corrosive.
3. I think I can help... See #1 in your advice section.
Keep your spirits up. Life gets tougher. In fact, no one gets out alive in the end.
But my statement stands, ask as many questions as it takes. If you get flamed for asking many questions, and you've done your due diligence ( searching thread for previous answers, reading back a few pages, etc.), Then I can almost guarantee the community will rally behind you in defense of you.
Sometimes a bunch of stuff gets deleted from a thread, and you haven't been here every 10 minutes to skim it, assumptions get made ( guilty)
And you misunderstood me too. I wasn't coming down on you. I was just saying don't let anything that happened make you stop asking questions. And don't let it make you doubt yourself about asking things.
So relax, take breath,
Keep the gun oiled and the temple clean
$h!t snort and blaspheme
Let the heads cool and the engine run
Because in the end, everything we do...
Is just everything we've done.
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1. Big thanks. now that I'm in my forties I was hoping I could get life advice from millennials.
2. Couldn't agree more. Resentment is corrosive.
3. I think I can help... See #1 in your advice section.
Keep your spirits up. Life gets tougher. In fact, no one gets out alive in the end.
But my statement stands, ask as many questions as it takes. If you get flamed for asking many questions, and you've done your due diligence ( searching thread for previous answers, reading back a few pages, etc.), Then I can almost guarantee the community will rally behind you in defense of you.
Sometimes a bunch of stuff gets deleted from a thread, and you've been here every 10 minutes to skim it, assumptions get made ( guilty)
And you misunderstood me too. I wasn't coming down on you. I was just saying don't let anything that happened make you stop asking questions. And don't let it make you doubt yourself about asking things.
So relax, take breath,
Keep the gun oiled and the temple clean
$h!t snort and blaspheme
Let the heads cool and the engine run
Because in the end, everything we do...
Is just everything we've done.
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Am I a millennial??!!!! Batsy say it isn't so. I'll drive off one of these stupid useless cliffs! My new hip should get me at least Boomer status.
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@SM210 bat Grandpa is right. Don't stop asking questions. That won't get you anywhere, just keep in mind that sometimes the only answer is "I don't know" or a partial answer while someone bangs out a better answer. We can't know everything (except me, obviously, but I promised to only reveal myself to the chosen one, I hear it's a chicken in Boise)
Just remember, we all do this because we enjoy it. Most of us, some of us just like to watch me fall down stairs. But we genuinely enjoy helping and getting to the aha moment. I no doubt handled that poorly. I'm not perfect either (I know, it shocked me too)
I apologise for cursing at you, but I was a sailor and it's my native language. No hard feelings.
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Am I a millennial??!!!! Batsy say it isn't so. I'll drive off one of these stupid useless cliffs! My new hip should get me at least Boomer status.
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@SM210 bat Grandpa is right. Don't stop asking questions. That won't get you anywhere, just keep in mind that sometimes the only answer is "I don't know" or a partial answer while someone bangs out a better answer. We can't know everything (except me, obviously, but I promised to only reveal myself to the chosen one, I hear it's a chicken in Boise)
Just remember, we all do this because we enjoy it. Most of us, some of us just like to watch me fall down stairs. But we genuinely enjoy helping and getting to the aha moment. I no doubt handled that poorly. I'm not perfect either (I know, it shocked me too)
I apologise for cursing at you, but I was a sailor and it's my native language. No hard feelings.
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I couldn't possibly consider you a millennial. Lol.
Hey, I think I'm from the beginning of gen x
And I heard that chicken in Boise plays tic tac toe, and never loses. I should go see him. Wise oldd bird
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I couldn't possibly consider you a millennial. Lol.
Hey, I think I'm from the beginning of gen x
And I heard that chicken in Boise plays tic tac toe, and never loses. I should go see him. Wise oldd bird
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Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!
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Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!
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Yeah yer probably gen x too.
I am in New Orleans, where there are wild city chickens that literally look both ways before crossing the road. Lol. I've seen it.
The locals here call chicken ,the meal, "yard bird". LMAO. No joke
Starkiller2 said:
Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!
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Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.
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Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.
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Man..... That was beautifully put. I have never heard it put better. I'm gonna cry a little. I remember some of the absolutely suicidally dumb things my brothers used to do, and the things we were allowed to do, and I cringe.
I couldn't imagine sending my kids outside to play now and not seeing them till dark. Or be home alone all day in the summer. But then again we used to sled down the roof with cardboard boxes.... Which rocked. I remember seeing the internet become a real thing, cell phones that had battery packs that were 12 lbs, and when girls started making noise, we watched equal rights start to gain real momentum. We saw more advancement in our childhood than anyone ever has.
Spaceminer said:
Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.
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"76" here. I think you still count at the tail end of gen x. Similar stories anyways. VHS, NES, all the goods. I was in grade school in the 80's. 89 might have been junior high.