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Looking for 1.2.0... I see activity in the thread at 2:40am but the sticky post goes to a shut down notice... anybody?
Mods locked it because he released 1.2.0 early to donators
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Maybe I should have donated... are we all mad about this or is this something that will go away soon?
Mods got mad that he was releasing to donators and they think he was asking for money for the ROM.
Flipz/Fresh does this for the Hero and the Evo which makes no sense..
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So sad
threedfreek said:
Maybe I should have donated... are we all mad about this or is this something that will go away soon?
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Well, this is sad for a couple reasons.
1) This is an established developer, who never required anything for use of his roms, and had over 10 revisions located here. He *rewarded* his donators for supporting him. This is not to be confused with a *few* other rom chefs with no proven track record, not released anything to the board and asking for money for a rom. This dev is in a diffrent league and should be treated diffrently IMO.
2) He had alot of users using his roms, he had alot of support and Q&A that is all gone now, the thread is gone but people still use his roms and may want support or something to continue. I dont think making the thread *dissapear* is the correct action. It also insinuates Guilty before proven innocent as the dev is punished before things are worked out.
My 2 cents
I think the mods should explain themselves and see if the community sees any problems with schiz... I for one do not begrudge the guy for early release to donators... fact is this is the american way which I am proud to be a part of.
This is especially lame, because now I have no idea where the hell to get the thing. What if I WANT to donate? He's not charging for the ROM. He's just releasing early to donations.
brian_hoffman said:
Well, this is sad for a couple reasons.
1) This is an established developer, who never required anything for use of his roms, and had over 10 revisions located here. He *rewarded* his donators for supporting him. This is not to be confused with a *few* other rom chefs with no proven track record, not released anything to the board and asking for money for a rom. This dev is in a diffrent league and should be treated diffrently IMO.
2) He had alot of users using his roms, he had alot of support and Q&A that is all gone now, the thread is gone but people still use his roms and may want support or something to continue. I dont think making the thread *dissapear* is the correct action. It also insinuates Guilty before proven innocent as the dev is punished before things are worked out.
My 2 cents
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I agree. I have been using Schizo's rom (1.1.6 w/Mixup kernel) for a couple weeks now and was greatly looking forward to version 1.2. He has done the best on incorporating compatibility with different kernels as well as prompt support.
I think the community is owed an explanation and a way to contact Schizo to see his side of the story.
i agree... he has supported the rom, stayed up late to get out the newest version early and always said he was releasing it regually as well.....
His ROMs actually work and you all freaking delete his thread? What the heck is wrong with you all. Stomping on a DEV, this is like the crap Apple does. Totally Lame. You all need to to reinstate this guy. Folks in this community "donate" money to DEVs and to keeping this site up and running. If word gets out that MODs are deleting threads for pointless reasons then people are going to pull their money out of this site and will start to hurt then help XDA.
Put him back-online and get the MOD to explain his actions!
I agree.
The Epic needs Devs and he seemed like a good one.
I understand the mods hesitance for his methods, but they should lay down GROUND RULES if they think he did something wrong.
I'm fine with it being released early. Call it "beta testing" for those who donated. In fact, with many new ROMs I usually wait a few days in case there are bugs.
The mods should allow the donate early-beta test model, stating it must be released publicly within X days.
Those of us who had donated have received an email from schiz. He says hes trying to work it out with the mods. Hopefully theyll get it worked out, if not, he'll pop up on his own site.
I ran fresh for months on my hero, but i think his donators-get-it-first was based off his website, not xda. I guess because schiz stated that donators would get it early, he got in trouble. If the mods really want to stop this kind of thing, then ban any developer who links to a donation account. But they wont do that, and shouldnt, because devs do deserve donations. But i guess you better not point to the donate link, otherwised youre banned.
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I have the latest update and am unsure on installing it. I don't want to install something that I won't have any support for, this is ridiculous. He puts his time, energy and money into making a rom and releases it to some people who have given him donations because they liked his rom so much, nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
Schizo and I are going to be working on a site tonight, since he has the domain and the web space now, we are going to work something up.
Stay tuned. Epic Experience will be right back .
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I guess because schiz stated that donators would get it early, he got in trouble.
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Like I said, he should offer exclusive "beta test" to people via their paypal e-mail addresses.
Then he can keep it off the forums, but still give reason to donate.
I've been on all sides of the equation (developer, donator, and leecher). I think it's fair. Just as long as he releases it, in full, to the leechers within X time. He seems like a quality developer.
Wtf schizo was an awesome dev. He was really dedicated. So what if he released them early to donators. Like someone else saidd, that's the american way. I expect to wait a little longer for something that's free. I understand completely.
I don't get why he was given the banhammer. Unless he said "you can't get 1.2 unless you donate." Then I don't see how it violates tos
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Bring him back, now please
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phantomevo77 said:
Schizo and I are going to be working on a site tonight, since we has the domain and the web space now, we are going to work something up.
Stay tuned. Epic Experience will be right back .
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Whew, the start of this thread almost ruined my Friday. You guys rock!
viper134 said:
I have the latest update and am unsure on installing it. I don't want to install something that I won't have any support for, this is ridiculous. He puts his time, energy and money into making a rom and releases it to some people who have given him donations because they liked his rom so much, nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
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If you donated, you will continue to get support, don't worry, he isn't giving up just like that.
Epic Experience will continue to get support, so don't worry about that.
guess I don't like the phrase leecher... but I guess if I don't pay I get called names... while this thing is in hot dev I wait to find what I want to keep and what I will call quits on... when I find the "end" I donate... until then I would rather be called a tester... when things go wrong I explain what's going on that might be fixed... in that case I'm a tester... not a leecher... just sayin'
bring back the "greatest epic experience"
RE: ▽▲ AXURA Vibrant Edition ▼△ Development Stopped.
First I'd like to say that was a punk move. Secondly, there's plenty of other great ROMs out there. I'm not sad, nor upset. I'm not going to kiss Master's ass. (I'm a software developer, I could take my own time to do this same ****) I'm also not going to flame or trash him (That'd be a waste of bandwidth and time).
The politics on these forums is ridiculous. You get something for free and then everyone *****es when things don't go their way. Devs take their personal time to provide you with something 'cool' or 'different' and you have a few select people ruining it for others. I don't 100% agree with 'Donating' to get 'early releases', but whatever. It is what it is. I'll roll with 2.0.6 AKA Axura Final until I get bored or something different catches my eye.
I'll admit, I really liked the theming done to it. I'm so sick of black and stupid ugly colors (I have a bit of a desiger background) that a lot of people call 'cool' or thinks 'looks great!'. And after searching for a ROM that didn't look like total ****, I actually considered getting involved in the theming community. We'll see.
Haters will hate.
I'm just taken away by this, I go out to eat with ole girl, come back and everything is stopped. I'm keeping 2.1 one for a while now, its destined to be a relic. But it is a damn good ROM, and skoal had to **** it up for everyone. I am sure he has recieved TONS of PMs from pissed off followers of Master, and rightfully so. However, I will not partake in anything like that.
I'm hoping this is just a phase that will blow over. Master came out of no where, it a place dominated by the "heavy hitters" and made a name for himself.
Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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Its not all WHAT was done, but what was SAID, and how it went down. Blatant disrespect.
xtremekilla09 said:
I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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+1
When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
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couped said:
Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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Exactly my thoughts.
razormy said:
+1
When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
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This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|
It is a shame. While I wasn't going to donate to get a pre-release copy, I was going to donate after the final version was released assuming it worked fine as a thank you for his hard work (I had a few issues with 2.05 and was waiting before flashing again).
It is his right though, even if it is confusing when considering the circumstances of how these types of ROMs got started in the first place.
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
icebrkr said:
This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|
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Agreed. Thanks for this thread. I hated reading the last one because of all the nonsense. A new rom will come and the fools will be foolish.
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kingrat said:
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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Let's not trash talk or name names... ok?
problem with forums like this
The problem with forums like this is they break out something like this:
10% 12-18
40% 19-26
40% 27-45
10% 46-60+ (where I fall into)
So, since age and maturity is the problem (or lack of maturity) there is no way to regulate that, not in an open forum....we are just left to self regulation........and as such, it will always be imperfect.
What is important is to be respectful and mature in the treatment (doing what they ask) of each other. The leaked rom from one friend to another is not really the core issue...........it is the public proclamation "Hey I got over on you" that demonstrates both the lack of respect and lack of maturity. This adolescent behavior (which the guilty one thinks is cute) damages our experience in this forum or in other forums. A Shame really.......
This forum gets ridiculous full of ungrateful people it really ruins development of great phones, people start to think they deserve something that was given out of good faith to help them hence original 2.2 leak
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Lets see if I can say this without sounding rude... Fok master, do the **** your self, a lot of his **** is off leaked stuff and others work...
he should be happy someone wanted his **** that bad...
By the way donating for a early release isn't a donation, thats a payment..... Never using his rom again, imma go stock and make the rom myself, you all could to its simple....
EDIT: Hell I remember when Master was trying to over run BIONIX lol Dude was all in their business... Trying to side help their ****. Man common Master, This is a punk move, for this You will never get a second look from me... Peace man, Just needed them donations/ Payments huh
Not allowing people to distribute his ROM is a violation of the GPL. He may ask, but he has no basis to. He built a ROM based on pre-released code and Open Source code and has no valid position to stop the same. Sure, he can get pissy if people do, that is certainly his right, but the moment he makes it available to anyone that person clearly has the right to distribute it unless it has actual proprietary software on it.
The person asking was within their rights
The person who gave it out was within their rights
Master getting pissed and stopping further development for people exercising their rights is completely within his rights.
Life goes on, shame, I was waiting for 2.1, time to move on.
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This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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I've seen you in Master's thread, you've contributed nothing but disrespect and you're part of the reason he closed his thread.
FYI, Master isn't discontinuing development. He is choosing not to share with XDA. Anyone that is interested in his work can still find it on his forum.
Seems a lot of Devs are keeping their work on their own sites. From what I've seen on this site in the last few weeks, I don't blame them.
I think it's messed up for those that paid for his roms now to get no support.
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First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
jnutz said:
First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
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I couldn't agree more.
As I presume you all know, lately there have been a verbal fight between our great Devs. Today it grew up in flames. I don't want to quote 'cause there are some curses and insults.
It is not all about it. It is about that we need all of our good devs "to work" for us and bring the best for our phones.
So Jerp & Trip and of course Z we appreciate all of your work. You all are the best and we like to see more and more from the amazing things you create.
Please devs, reconcile each other. We don't want to loose any of you. We need you!
I call everyone to express their feelings about this and let's hope everything will end up in a positive way.
Lets all pay our tribute to T, J & Z. We love you guys!!!
Although I can't see any of us having any real effect on whether the devs make up and play nice, here's my view...
They're all acting like children as far as I'm concerned. "So and so didn't give me credit!" "So and so stole my work!" "So and so blah blah blah."
This entire episode is completely unnecessary. None of the devs have a fully functional ROM, nor do they seem to want to work together to achieve anything of worth. They're more concerned with who's done what and who can get the latest and greatest out first, all the while leaving us a trail of half-arsed ROMs that we have to mix and match to get the best results. To be totally honest here, I haven't bothered with any of the ROMs personally because there so many issues and no one is taking the time to sort them out before running off the be the first to...<insert whatever super epic ROM here>.
This is open source. If the devs aren't capable of understanding that sometimes, you might not be individually thanked, or someone might not point and go "Oh hey look! It's Z! (Or J, or T or L M N O P)". In the end, the goal should be the same. Right now it's not.
My advice, grow up, work with each other and stop worrying about the glamor of it all. In the end, your toilet smells the same (or pretty damn close) to the other guy's.
+1 nekkidtruth - It's all a bit pathetic really. They need to regain their grip on reality.. Individually they're good - clearly better than most... but if they were to actually make some effort to work together then, well, good things would come to pass I'm sure.
They will earn more respect and kudos from achieving something as a team than they will fighting amongst themselves to try to be the first..
Fingers crossed for a positive outcome!
While I'm not entirely sure what's been going on today, I'm of the same opinion as nekkidtruth. The whole X10 development is all over the place and needs some sort of Team working on one ROM. We don't really need the 2.1 variants that are all out there (which seem to me as just 2.1 themed with JIT hashed on).
I don't like this whole closed source kinda feel to the whole thing between the devs either. What's wrong with sticking the sources on something like GIThub and working together to modify, build, compile.. whatever?
It's just my 2 pence worth, which isn't really anything.
You guys totally miss the point and have not done anything that requires long periods of work for a project that requires very specialized knowledge.
Open source DOES NOT mean that anyone can take your work and claim it as theirs. Yes, Android is open source because anyone can take it without paying huge licensing fees and everyone knows that it's maintained by Google Inc.
In the case of the devs here, j & z did work that trip took without giving credit and used it as his own as if he did all the work. J & z always clearly states where he got some code from. In one case j used some code that trip made and gave credit. Once any dev releases a rom, the YES, it's out there in the open for anyone to use, but it's a d-bag move to claim it as all your own work. J & z said that all they wanted was credit and no money eventhough Trip was getting donations. Trip then blew a gasket and here we are today.
Even Glenn Beck has to give credit to Thomas Paine for Common Sense.
I've observed Trip's behavior to be, well, "Trippy", in addition to being completely and utterly ill-mannered. I've also seen trippy [pun intended] users engage other non-trippy users into unnecessary exchanges of abuses and insults, complete with another user handling the PR for 'Trip' in his absence.
Brilliant.
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You guys totally miss the point and have not done anything that requires long periods of work for a project that requires very specialized knowledge.
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I didn't miss any point. I call it as I see it. Children in a school yard having a castle building contest trying to build the best/largest castle. This is nothing more than that. Open source is open source, either it's open or it's not. If you can't handle someone else using your work, don't bother. If you feel you absolutely need to be patted on the back every single time someone uses even the tiniest snippet of your code, why bother?
I've worked on plenty of large projects. I've worked along side many people and solo'd as well. The fact of the matter is, they're building ROMs for an open source OS on a phone. Their paths are going to cross. Rather than work together, they'd rather bicker.
Can someone sum up this whole dev beef going on or show me the thread where it went down?
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I didn't miss any point. I call it as I see it. Children in a school yard having a castle building contest trying to build the best/largest castle. This is nothing more than that. Open source is open source, either it's open or it's not. If you can't handle someone else using your work, don't bother. If you feel you absolutely need to be patted on the back every single time someone uses even the tiniest snippet of your code, why bother?
I've worked on plenty of large projects. I've worked along side many people and solo'd as well. The fact of the matter is, they're building ROMs for an open source OS on a phone. Their paths are going to cross. Rather than work together, they'd rather bicker.
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So you're fine with plagiarism. Got it. Please send me any and all of your work that I can profit from. I will be sure not to give you any credit whatsoever and call it my own. TIA
edit: It's more than snippets in this case and x10 devs on xda is a small community. There's a difference and you should realize it.
Open source doesn't mean laissez faire. Android is open source; HTC Sense is not. With your rationale, then all the programs on the market should just be renamed and sold without any credits to the original devs.
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Can someone sum up this whole dev beef going on or show me the thread where it went down?
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Trip used some sources from j & z to compile his own rom which he released and got donations for. Z called him out on it and asked him either to take it down or give a credit. Trip then had a meltdown and took his roms down.
Earlier today, trip saw that j had some code of trips in the 2.3.2 rom and called him out on it. J then took the rom down, gave credit, and is uploading his own rom from top to bottom.
If someone's in a mood for some really nice playing devs, just look here and here. That's how I got to know xda-developers.com. You'd be excited how strong the atmosphere in different sections of the same forum can differ
And, surprise: jerpelea also developed there, and as usual he did an incredible job by porting a (almost) fully working X2 ROM to X1
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So you're fine with plagiarism. Got it. Please send me any and all of your work that I can profit from. I will be sure not to give you any credit whatsoever and call it my own. TIA
edit: It's more than snippets in this case and x10 devs on xda is a small community. There's a difference and you should realize it.
Open source doesn't mean laissez faire. Android is open source; HTC Sense is not. With your rationale, then all the programs on the market should just be renamed and sold without any credits to the original devs.
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Don't be ridiculous. I said nothing of the sort. If you're going to put words in my mouth, don't bother replying. I simply said it can and does happen and should be expected. If you can't handle that part about "open source", why bother?
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Don't be ridiculous. I said nothing of the sort. If you're going to put words in my mouth, don't bother replying. I simply said it can and does happen and should be expected. If you can't handle that part about "open source", why bother?
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I'm just using your logic brother. Don't get mad at me for following the logical conclusions of what you propose.
Trip was making money off it and you're ok with it because of "open source" fundamentalism, which is bs because it's something you don't even really believe in anyways.
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's ok and should be tolerated by the community.
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I'm just using your logic brother. Don't get mad at me for following the logical conclusions of what you propose.
Trip was making money off it and you're ok with it because of "open source" fundamentalism, which is bs because it's something you don't even really believe in anyways.
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's ok and should be tolerated by the community.
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I'm not mad "brother". I just don't see this little high school hissy fit going on between the devs as anyone's fault in particular. They all contributed to what happened. Also, stop putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
has trip written anything of his own, or even finished a rom?
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I'm not mad "brother". I just don't see this little high school hissy fit going on between the devs as anyone's fault in particular. They all contributed to what happened. Also, stop putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
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Then back up what you say with examples and not nebulous platitudes filled with false equivalence and your own hissy fit about a hissy fit.
Z asking for credit IS NOT the same as Trip freaking out about it. All trip had to do was add "thanks to j & z for x."
F this. I'm done with you. It's like talking to a dining room table. Enjoy your hissy fit.
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has trip written anything of his own, or even finished a rom?
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Yes, he's written his own stuff, but no, all his roms are in progress.
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Then back up what you say with examples and not nebulous platitudes filled with false equivalence and your own hissy fit about a hissy fit.
Z asking for credit IS NOT the same as Trip freaking out about it. All trip had to do was add "thanks to j & z for x."
F this. I'm done with you. It's like talking to a dining room table. Enjoy your hissy fit.
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You're the one throwing a hissy fit Lol.
Besides, I don't need to conform to your opinion on this issue. I have formed my own thank you.
Side note: I've seen Trip thank J & Z so many times. What? Did he forget to do it ONE time? Lol. What a joke.
Trip can take his half a$$ed roms elsewhere since he is obviously the problem here..
Honestly I can't understand how some people use their half-worked ROMs anyway
I either go with full working-stable ROM or just stay with the stock ROM as it seems more stable than their junk ROMs ( yes, I said junk, people here call apps from SE junk, why can't I do the same with half-completed work? ) no offence to anyone
I know I am immediately going to get flamed for this....even then what the H....
Ok....I always loved TW roms and also donated in the past.....but recently esp after 3/1...TW has disappeared into this veil of secrecy....
I thought the biggest ideological difference between Apple & Android is....Sharing!!
Isn't this Apple's style....we are making something and we know better than you that it is good for you!! I know its very hard to share WIP but isn't the idea to share the progress/development of product even when its under construction???
TWwhatsup said:
I know I am immediately going to get flamed for this....even then what the H....
Ok....I always loved TW roms and also donated in the past.....but recently esp after 3/1...TW has disappeared into this veil of secrecy....
I thought the biggest ideological difference between Apple & Android is....Sharing!!
Isn't this Apple's style....we are making something and we know better than you that it is good for you!! I know its very hard to share WIP but isn't the idea to share the progress/development of product even when its under construction???
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first android is about sharing which is why TW follows the gpl and releases kernel source code and anything else they are required to by the apache gpl.
that said they are by no means required to show you their progress on a rom or what ever it is they are developing that is their business. Google doesnt keep us updated every step of the way with their modifications to android.
and finally you created a username just for this??? cmon man
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I know I am immediately going to get flamed for this....even then what the H....
Ok....I always loved TW roms and also donated in the past.....but recently esp after 3/1...TW has disappeared into this veil of secrecy....
I thought the biggest ideological difference between Apple & Android is....Sharing!!
Isn't this Apple's style....we are making something and we know better than you that it is good for you!! I know its very hard to share WIP but isn't the idea to share the progress/development of product even when its under construction???
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You created a new Xda name just to rag on TW cause you dont have the balls to post from your real name. and two your the reason devs are leaving SHUT THE FUK UP YOU TROLL!
blader3759 said:
You created a new Xda name just to rag on TW cause you dont have the balls to post from your real name. and two your the reason devs are leaving SHUT THE FUK UP YOU TROLL!
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I am not going to glorify you with you a response...but real name...your rela name is blader? what you going to name your son ball?
Wow youve got some nerve! TW don't owe you sh¡t ....open source means YOU can go look up and add or change things....not demand that for instance TW owes you something ...they don't work for you or for any of us,they do what they do for fun and enjoyment.....go away before you drive our devs away
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Just want to give my 2 cents on this one: @OP STFU! and I mean that with all sincerity. Wtf are you talking about? Do you realize how stupid you sound? And you didn't even have the balls to use your real user name. I bet your one of those loosers that always ask for updates. Please do us all a favor and jump off the tallest building you can find.
Attn: please no one else reply to this post. It honestly doesn't deserve any more attention.
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While I also have been wondering what TW has been working on I don't think they owe me an update. In fact, since they've been so quiet I can only assume they've been working on something really big which will be worth the wait.
TWwhatsup said:
I know I am immediately going to get flamed for this....even then what the H....
Ok....I always loved TW roms and also donated in the past.....but recently esp after 3/1...TW has disappeared into this veil of secrecy....
I thought the biggest ideological difference between Apple & Android is....Sharing!!
Isn't this Apple's style....we are making something and we know better than you that it is good for you!! I know its very hard to share WIP but isn't the idea to share the progress/development of product even when its under construction???
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You sir, are Bi-Losing.
TWwhatsup said:
I know I am immediately going to get flamed for this....even then what the H....
Ok....I always loved TW roms and also donated in the past.....but recently esp after 3/1...TW has disappeared into this veil of secrecy....
I thought the biggest ideological difference between Apple & Android is....Sharing!!
Isn't this Apple's style....we are making something and we know better than you that it is good for you!! I know its very hard to share WIP but isn't the idea to share the progress/development of product even when its under construction???
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Ehh, no worries man, I think they're working on something Great, or taking a well deserved break, they've done more than enough for us, that being said, they don't have to share ( I would like them too, but it's not required ) and I kind of like the surprises they give us
+1 for me having the nicest response
Uh.....what?
This post doesn't make any sense.
Som is barely back from taking time off and he's already working on his projects again. Krylon needed a rest too. Tonicacid has been continually working on his fantastic themes and has kept in contact with the TW community.
FFS, these ppl have real lives with real **** going on. Iunno about you, but I'm not about to ask these guys to leave the important stuff just to come make a ROM for my phone.
The sad part of the whole thing is that ppl would've known wtf was going on if they bothered to follow the dev's twitter or their communities where they said that they'd be taking time off in the first place.
Seriously, the sense of entitlement I'm seeing on these forums is starting to make me sick. If this crap keeps going on, even more dev's are gonna jump off of XDA and make private communities like Eugene did.
@OP, please, if you really gave a crap about what's up with TW, effing get up off of your ass and look at the OPs in their posts; they contain the links to their forum and their FB.
You know how TW works: they want to put out quality stable ROMs, Som keeps us up with his work and even updates us periodically on what's going on. Hell, he even recently asked us about what features we'd like to see.
.....and yes, +1 to cashy for being nice (because god knows I've completely lost my patience).
The reason for the secrecy is.....
TW is starring in their own reality show! Its called 'Android OS's next top coder'. On the show, a shadowy executive gives devs assignments and tasks to complete on a series of different Android phones.
The dev that does the worst has to face off in a challenge against a dev who is voted for elimination.
Most of these challenges involve hacking bootloaders or disassembling SIM code.
Its ZANY! The rest of the episode has interviews and confessions of devs and clips of them debugging and compiling code.
Exciting stuff
blader3759 said:
You created a new Xda name just to rag on TW cause you dont have the balls to post from your real name. and two your the reason devs are leaving SHUT THE FUK UP YOU TROLL!
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+1 The word on their facebook group page is that new updates will be on the TW forum and not XDA. With crap like this, I cannot blame them.
cashyftw said:
+1 for me having the nicest response :d
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Oh, that was good! made me laugh
tarzanman said:
the reason for the secrecy is.....
Tw is starring in their own reality show! Its called 'android os's next top coder'. On the show, a shadowy executive gives devs assignments and tasks to complete on a series of different android phones.
The dev that does the worst has to face off in a challenge against a dev who is voted for elimination.
Most of these challenges involve hacking bootloaders or disassembling sim code.
Its zany! The rest of the episode has interviews and confessions of devs and clips of them debugging and compiling code.
Exciting stuff
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This is the best!
Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.
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Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.
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This is what happens when people are more worried about their Ego then anything else. Nothing we can do about it. As developers are allowed to keep their own work to themselves and not share it with others. This is the reason many refuse to use OEM based roms or prefer to take the base rom and make their own for personal use.
Ill be honest. This is the main reason I dropped Sense and am on my last OEM-non-nexus device.
Nothing can really be done about it.
zelendel said:
Nothing can really be done about it.
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I fear you are right but I felt something needs to be said as this keeps happening.
rider5512 said:
Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.
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Unfortunately Sense "Development" has left the "From us to you" level in many areas since quite some time and has reached a stage where all that counts is "I am out earlier with my rom", " I have more users", "My thread has more posts", "My p.... is longer". Ok, not the last, but you get the point.
So, as long as this does not change again, there is no such thing as a "Dev-community" in Sense development.
Sad as it may be, from time to time this kind of development has unavoidable consequences and the users are sometimes suffering from "collateral damage". That's the bitter truth and could only be changed by a change of attitude by some devs.
Just my 2cts.
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I fear you are right but I felt something needs to be said as this keeps happening.
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And it will as long as people keep needing an ego boost. That is all it is. They want to say they have the best, most mods, fastest, ect rom.
And to be honest. There is nothing done to OEM roms that are really that impressive. If they wanted to HTC could come in and stop all of them in one shot.
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........ and could only be changed by a change of attitude by some devs.
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That was the reason for the post in the hope that it may make some think a little more.
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That was the reason for the post in the hope that it may make some think a little more.
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I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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hmmmm indeed !
zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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Yes, that is the root of all evil (in this context) imho. I could not agree more.
Unfortunately this has become the state of affairs. In the end its down to the individual devs if they share their work. I do see some great things happening in the way of development, its just a shame resources cant be pulled together, then something truly fantastic may emerge, But until people stop putting their ego in front of development progress and community spirit, nothing will change.
Its all about, hey look what we did, aint it cool. Rather than, lets work together as a community and make a difference.
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...... its just a shame resources cant be pulled together, then something truly fantastic may emerge
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We can only hope but who knows... perhaps one day !
zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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I honestly wish this would happen... XDA should not be about money, we all agree here that that attitude towards development is pretty much unwanted here.
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We can only hope but who knows... perhaps one day !
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I hate to say it but those days have come and gone. XDA used to be about sharing information and knowledge. Now it is a ego trip. Sad really.
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zelendel said:
I hate to say it but those days have come and gone. XDA used to be about sharing information and knowledge. Now it is a ego trip. Sad really.
Bat cave One
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Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....
I gotta chime in here with my .98 cents worth.
It's not just some stuff at xda. We're talking about innovation in all of tech being affected by a particular spirit.
Think about it. Apple has 147 billion dollars in unused capital but they won't make it happen as far as getting swipe gestures on their ios keyboard.
Android has so many attitude problems as well. You can get one device and it has certain strengths and certain flaws. Then a different device will have the things that are currently missing in your device, but it will be lacking the good things your current device already has.
Things like planned obsolescence, data caps, expensive smartphones with faulty displays, over heated batteries, on and on and on.
Whether it be Apple, msoft, or Google...none realize that they're about to kill the golden goose.
Some of us will just throw up our hands and say " to hell with you all" , and just hang on to whatever device we currently have for much longer than we'd like to. Because, just as soon as you upgrade, there's a slightly newer and better spec-bump version.
Unfortunately, Camera has stopped.
Whiskey103 said:
Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....
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I do whiskey. I do. That's why I still only use aosp based stuff but even some there like to keep knowledge in house.
Bat cave
I love that you started this thread OP Maybe some folks will realize their ways and change.
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Whiskey103 said:
Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....
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zelendel said:
I do whiskey. I do. That's why I still only use aosp based stuff but even some there like to keep knowledge in house.
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And it's not new, nor confined to Sense. I remember when I made skins for MobileShell on Windows Mobile there were guys who refused to share basic knowledge just to have a headstart. It was simple xml, no high-end coding, so nothing that would earn you fame and fortune. And that was in 2008 or so...
It's just an ego thing and it will always be here. So the limits have to be set from time to time obviously to keep things stright and under control.
In my opinion there is an issue with "credit" and "permission"...example, if a developer ports a ROM over from another device, well done. But does that mean the developer owns that port, to me, no, because it's still HTC files used to get that port working. Should it be required to ask for permission to use that port? NO. However, it should be required to CREDIT the person who got the port working. But asking permission makes it seem as if you own something, which you don't. This is the problem I see. Permission should not be required on XDA at all, only a requirement to credit someone. If they are expecting permission, they should take their stuff off XDA, and go elsewhere, because I know for a fact that none of the developers asked HTC if they could use M8 files to create an M7 port, and I'm sure HTC doesn't care, but for some reason these developers care way too much.
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troby86 said:
In my opinion there is an issue with "credit" and "permission"...example, if a developer ports a ROM over from another device, well done. But does that mean the developer owns that port, to me, no, because it's still HTC files used to get that port working. Should it be required to ask for permission to use that port? NO. However, it should be required to CREDIT the person who got the port working. But asking permission makes it seem as if you own something, which you don't. This is the problem I see. Permission should not be required on XDA at all, only a requirement to credit someone. If they are expecting permission, they should take their stuff off XDA, and go elsewhere, because I know for a fact that none of the developers asked HTC if they could use M8 files to create an M7 port, and I'm sure HTC doesn't care, but for some reason these developers care way too much.
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I cant really agree with this. First off, asking permission is polite, its the reaction to that request that is the issue. If the request is reasonable and for the benefit of the community, i would like to think any devoted member/dev would be willing to share the knowledge. Chances are, that dev picked up a lot of knowledge from this very forum beforehand, so not to share prevents this circle of knowledge. Credit, is just a given.
I also have to say your simplified way of "porting" is a bit disagreeable. Some of these guys put many hours of work into their ROMs, so to say all that should be dismissed due to the original code being that of HTC, is a little unfair. It sounds contradictory, so...
We have 2 issues:
1 - Free sharing of work
2 - The protection of devs who have put hours of work into a project and wish to keep it "exclusive"
Both have to be considered, imho
Its a matter of balance, one with the rules (that i think we have) and the other with attitude.
As Zel said, HTC could pull the plug at any time. Making this a non issue.