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Hey folks! Some of you may know me from my many, many Android YouTube videos, if not, that's ok, nobodies perfect! hehe j/k
So my super crappy Western Digital media player is starting to kick the bucket, so i've been looking into alternatives. I only learned about Android sticks after i picked up my WD media player ( i don't think there were any available when i bought my media player).
So now i want a great Android stick for my living room TV.
Based on my full day of research, i've come to the conclusion that the MK809 and the iMito MXII are the best of the best at the time of this posting.
So i suppose i'm looking for this awesome communities help in picking one. I just can't seem to be able to tell the real differences between the two.
I wouldn't mind the option of an easy root, but rooting isn't completely needed, considering i spend most of my time in the office on the computer, but my wife spends all her time in the living room...so she won't be in to all of the custom ROMs and such that i would be.
With that all said, which of these two would you fine folks recommend? Or should i start looking into a different model?
I am looking for hopefully the best of the best...i'm ok spending a little more money on something else if it's worth it, but i would like to stick with the whole Android stick concept (pun totally intended )
Cheers!
Jared
Hi Jared!
I'd say the MX1. Just because I'd like to see you put out some videos for it!
I guess the two you have chosen are the best of the rockchip models right now. You have to pay quite a bit more for guaranteed quality. That is : more robust micro USB ports, better WiFi antenna/ placement. WiFi for me has been perfect without modification, and I'm taking extra care of those ports!
Best of luck with your purchase, whatever you end up getting!
fr0d0#2 said:
Hi Jared!
I'd say the MX1. Just because I'd like to see you put out some videos for it!
I guess the two you have chosen are the best of the rockchip models right now. You have to pay quite a bit more for guaranteed quality. That is : more robust micro USB ports, better WiFi antenna/ placement. WiFi for me has been perfect without modification, and I'm taking extra care of those ports!
Best of luck with your purchase, whatever you end up getting!
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LOL, thanks for the input fr0d0.
but it's definitely going to be either the MX2 or the 809...lol you bet i'll be doing videos on that thing, if i can figure out which one to get
cheers =)
J-Roc said:
LOL, thanks for the input fr0d0.
but it's definitely going to be either the MX2 or the 809...lol you bet i'll be doing videos on that thing, if i can figure out which one to get
cheers =)
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I don't know your WD media player but do know that those both don't do DTS/AC3 passthrough over HDMI.
These Rockchip dual cores just don't cut it yet.
I'm waiting for mini-pcs that will do multichannel passthrough and i'm waiting for the better quadcore devices that'll be released in a not so distant future, those will cut it and those can replace my massive htpc.
Correct me if i'm wrong (about the DTS/AC3 passthrough).
Frag1le said:
I don't know your WD media player but do know that those both don't do DTS/AC3 passthrough over HDMI.
These Rockchip dual cores just don't cut it yet.
I'm waiting for mini-pcs that will do multichannel passthrough and i'm waiting for the better quadcore devices that'll be released in a not so distant future, those will cut it and those can replace my massive htpc.
Correct me if i'm wrong (about the DTS/AC3 passthrough).
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I didn't know that! Thanks for the tip! Maybe i should wait, like you.
Cheers =)
J-Roc said:
I didn't know that! Thanks for the tip! Maybe i should wait, like you.
Cheers =)
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Perhaps another tip:
Also know that in April this year (ETA, so they say) the Ouya and the Gamestick will be launched.
XBMC already announced it will support the Ouya fully.
The Ouya will have a quadcore tegra 3 (like the HTC One X(+) (fully unlocked and hackable, with active cooling meaning major overclocking)), which is now already faster then any Android mini pc on the market. It will get it's own gamemarket and controllers, ethernet port etc.
Haven't read anything about DTS passthrough tho, but as it's that hackable it'll probably be a short time before that's available.
Really excited about the $99 Ouya
http://xbmc.org/natethomas/2012/08/07/xbmc-and-ouya-oh-yeah/
J-Roc said:
Based on my full day of research, i've come to the conclusion that the MK809 and the iMito MXII are the best of the best at the time of this posting
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Not sure if youve seen the MK809II
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2083522
Its the 809 with bluetooth. There maybe other improvements too
I've got the MX2 and I like it. It uses the same root method as the mx1 although you have to play with it a little. The last I checked the custom ROM development is pretty stale except for the mk808. I don't know what DTS is so i can't comment on that.
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I have a feeling the question answers itself, but...
There is really no PRO having a OUYA over the MOJO, right?
I'm really just interested in emulators older games (the PSX and N64) and don't feel the OUYA will be able to handle that.
But I noticed it's proprietary store with it's own apps. However, those are just android apps with OUYA skins? There's not some optimizations built into them that can come close to the MOJO's performance?
In terms of hardware, the Tegra 4 GPU and CPU are more than just a generational jump over Tegra 3. There isn't really any PRO to having OUYA unless you are heavily invested in that ecosystem.
The only PRO to an OUYA, as I mentioned in another post where you roughly asked the same question is that they have their own appstore where everything is guaranteed to be compatible and able to use. The MOJO is a far superior system, and the CTRLR is awesome.
Ouya is a scam
Pleiades7 said:
I have a feeling the question answers itself, but...
There is really no PRO having a OUYA over the MOJO, right?
I'm really just interested in emulators older games (the PSX and N64) and don't feel the OUYA will be able to handle that.
But I noticed it's proprietary store with it's own apps. However, those are just android apps with OUYA skins? There's not some optimizations built into them that can come close to the MOJO's performance?
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Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board
gwaldo said:
Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board
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I don't think OUYA is necessarily a scam...come on now, for $100 you get an Android gaming console with controller - plus I think they were the first company out there that really got a lot of us excited about an Android gaming console.
What turned me off from OUYA is the fact of the closed app ecosystem, 8gb of storage, and that controller well....you know. But for $100? Might be good for the not-so power user of Android. Maybe they'll step up their game with the OUYA 2.
Right now though, I'm very happy with my MOJO. More and more games are becoming available almost week by week. I can't wait to see where were at in just 6 months time
gwaldo said:
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
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Heh..I've actually got one of my old desktops sitting behind the TV just for this purpose....Which is actually why I got the MOJO, so I didn't have to use the PC anymore. I do miss having a CD-ROM for my Saturn and PSX, though, but I ripped most of my PSX games and the ISO's work just as well.
gwaldo said:
Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board
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Tried the PC box thing, just didn't like the way it felt. So I jailbroke my PS3 and use retroXMB for most things. But the PS3 can't do PSX emulation right (only non-shader boot rome in MM which gives you no customizations options) and N64 is out of the question.
So spending $150 for a MOJO just for a couple of emulators (FPse and N64 and....if the gods smile upon me....a gamecube emulator, if that could handle it, but I can live without it) makes me a happy girl and saves me the hundreds of dollars for the PC box.
Yes, I got my MOJO for $150. They had a quick sale on Amazon and got lucky. Ironically, as much as I love it, I probably wouldn't pay $250 since at that point I might as well just buy a custom PC. But, hell, $150 for a micro console that is essentially an major improvement on the OUYA priced at around the same price is/was a no-brainer.
Thx guys for all the advice. Im a dummie when it comes to this stuff and appreciate the clarification!
Ouya
mherma said:
I don't think OUYA is necessarily a scam...come on now, for $100 you get an Android gaming console with controller - plus I think they were the first company out there that really got a lot of us excited about an Android gaming console.
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Claiming to be an emulation device when their controllers don't have start/select, I call this profiting at the expense of it's fans!
When they launched, their controller was $30, after they launched it went to $50, I call this extortion!
All games free to play but require a Credit Card at setup! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The 'Free the games' fund benifited larger studios while publicly shafting the the indie devs it claimed to support from the start!!! :crying:
WHAT IF I REACH MY FUNDING GOAL BUT FALL SHORT OF RAISING $50K OR MISS MY FUNDING GOAL ENTIRELY? IS MY PROJECT STILL REQUIRED TO BE AN OUYA EXCLUSIVE?
No. We only require the 6-month OUYA exclusivity if we provide funds for your project out of the $1M Free the Games Fund (e.g., you successfully reach your funding objective, surpass $50,000 in funding, and therefore receive matched funds from us). Of course, if you don’t meet your Kickstarter goal at all, then maybe that means you can’t afford to make a game. We’ll be sad, of course, but we’ll understand if the game you can’t afford to make isn’t on OUYA.
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Yeah, I call Ouya a scam:laugh:
It might have been the first 'microconsole' but it has zero integrity to me.
http://www.androidauthority.com/ouya-everywhere-353384/
adfurgerson said:
http://www.androidauthority.com/ouya-everywhere-353384/
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I wonder how they will get around the challenge of cross-compatibility. If the device is running anything but Android I imagine the games would need to be built for the specific platform (like how Steam is available for Windows, Mac and Linux but the game selection depends on what is compiled for your OS).
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...content-coming-to-mad-catz-micro-console-mojo
Mad Catz Rich said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...content-coming-to-mad-catz-micro-console-mojo
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u kidding me
I just bought the 16GB Ouya and would have easily paid ~$70 more for the Tegra 4 and MicroSD support. $120, not so much, but definitely $70. Especially with all the Ouya games coming to it.
Oh well.
Development
There are a ton of exclusive games coming. Should be fun to watch where this little thing goes from here.
Maybe MOJO was a proof-of-concept style project (not terribly well executed), but even at the reduced price of $199 (did you pay $249? OUCH!!!!), the console is not competitive with Amazon's very similarly featured (and NO root or side-loading is required to access content!) $99 console. Add in the $49 CTRLr and....well you can do the math. My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.
Domomojo said:
Maybe MOJO was a proof-of-concept style project (not terribly well executed), but even at the reduced price of $199 (did you pay $249? OUCH!!!!), the console is not competitive with Amazon's very similarly featured (and NO root or side-loading is required to access content!) $99 console. Add in the $49 CTRLr and....well you can do the math. My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.
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Huh? These are two very different devices. The FireTV is a cool, easy to operate, inexpensive unit with Amazon's own proprietary modified version of Android. The Mojo is a very high powered device using stock android and is more of a "hardcore Android users" type of device. More can be done with the Mojo due to the fact that it is running stock android, and the mojo clearly outperforms it. And, it is a *good* thing to be rooted and have the ability to side load apps
zektor said:
Huh? These are two very different devices. The FireTV is a cool, easy to operate, inexpensive unit with Amazon's own proprietary modified version of Android. The Mojo is a very high powered device using stock android and is more of a "hardcore Android users" type of device. More can be done with the Mojo due to the fact that it is running stock android, and the mojo clearly outperforms it. And, it is a *good* thing to be rooted and have the ability to side load apps
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The Rockchip RK3288 with Mali T628 will come out in a view weeks or a mound, and that one is gone be as fast or even faster then the Mad Catz
M.O.J.O., and will cost only US$ 120, and the plus points, the Rockchip RK3288 is gone have: HDMI 2.0 with a max resolution of 3840×2160 so
4K (The first SoC with real 4Kx2K video decoder), and 100M/1000M Ethernet and MUCH more.
And sorry, the price is what people will look at most of the time, and $199.99 is just to much for a Android TV BOX, even if you get a JoyPad with it, with
mouse function.
And a 2.4 GHz Wireless Dual Shock Sixaxis Controller Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 GPS3CT01 cost only $13.55, and works very smooth, my family have
two of them.
AmigaWolf said:
The Rockchip RK3288 with Mali T628 will come out in a view weeks or a mound, and that one is gone be as fast or even faster then the Mad Catz
M.O.J.O., and will cost only US$ 120, and the plus points, the Rockchip RK3288 is gone have: HDMI 2.0 with a max resolution of 3840×2160 so
4K (The first SoC with real 4Kx2K video decoder), and 100M/1000M Ethernet and MUCH more.
And sorry, the price is what people will look at most of the time, and $199.99 is just to much for a Android TV BOX, even if you get a JoyPad with it, with
mouse function.
And a 2.4 GHz Wireless Dual Shock Sixaxis Controller Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 GPS3CT01 cost only $13.55, and works very smooth, my family have
two of them.
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Ewwww...I hate third party overseas rip-off controllers. I wouldn't pay 55 cents for that to be honest I would much rather have the official controller...which is around $50-$60, but is legit. The Mad Catz controller is rock solid and worth $50 as well in my opinion. To each their own I suppose.
I don't care much for Rockchip, Mali. I'm an Nvidia guy personally, and Tegra has been the staple for excellence in terms of performance and gaming (and games designed for Tegra) for some time now. If I were to go with any other chip it would be a TI OMAP. Again, to each their own.
$199 is not too much depending on who you ask. I'd love to see it cheaper (or even a cheaper version that did not include a controller) to be honest, but $199 is a pretty cheap en devour for everything this sucker can do and the performance I yield with it. I purchased my Sega Genesis brand new in 1989 for $189.99 I believe. It came with one game (Altered Beast) and that was it. Now, for $199 I can play the entire Genesis arsenal along with every other game system up to N64 with perfect performance. And Netflix, surf the net, manage a massive music collection, and more...and view it on a 48 inch modern TV via HDMI. Pretty good I say for $199.
zektor said:
Ewwww...I hate third party overseas rip-off controllers. I wouldn't pay 55 cents for that to be honest I would much rather have the official controller...which is around $50-$60, but is legit. The Mad Catz controller is rock solid and worth $50 as well in my opinion. To each their own I suppose.
I don't care much for Rockchip, Mali. I'm an Nvidia guy personally, and Tegra has been the staple for excellence in terms of performance and gaming (and games designed for Tegra) for some time now. If I were to go with any other chip it would be a TI OMAP. Again, to each their own.
$199 is not too much depending on who you ask. I'd love to see it cheaper (or even a cheaper version that did not include a controller) to be honest, but $199 is a pretty cheap en devour for everything this sucker can do and the performance I yield with it. I purchased my Sega Genesis brand new in 1989 for $189.99 I believe. It came with one game (Altered Beast) and that was it. Now, for $199 I can play the entire Genesis arsenal along with every other game system up to N64 with perfect performance. And Netflix, surf the net, manage a massive music collection, and more...and view it on a 48 inch modern TV via HDMI. Pretty good I say for $199.
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Sorry but $199 it to much, you have todo to much work to get your baby (Mad Catz M.O.J.O.) working good, more then 95% of the Android games you cannot play with JoyPad, and the biggest stupit thing Mad Catz has done is not have there own JoyPad key mapper with this Android TV BOX, like what NVIDIA shield have done, and one that is special made for the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. and his JoyPad so it will work very easy and good.
And a simple remote controller with a OFF and ON button.
And NTFS write support.
If they had done that it wold be a great Android TV BOX, but they didn't and thats why MOST people won't but the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
Wow, you seem to have a lot of hatred toward the Mojo. I am not sure what issues you have experienced with yours, but you make it out like it is some sort of a fact that the device is not very good...which is far from fact. If you know what you are doing, setup is ridiculously easy. The setup/installation methods I had used would have been exactly what I would have done to *any* Android device. Root (if possible), sideload some of my personal apps....same thing I have done with any phone or tablet I have owned for years.
I also do not understand this whole "its SO expensive" nonsense. $199 is not too expensive for a quality built device by a reputable manufacturer that has been in the business for a VERY long long. I think $129 is too expensive for a Asian knock off device.
The rockchip is in that "Ugoos" thing. Maybe that would be an better option for you
EDIT: Ohh..now I see. You had a bad experience with yours, and Bol.com refunded your money instead of replacing the product. Now I get it. You don't own it anymore.
zektor said:
Wow, you seem to have a lot of hatred toward the Mojo. I am not sure what issues you have experienced with yours, but you make it out like it is some sort of a fact that the device is not very good...which is far from fact. If you know what you are doing, setup is ridiculously easy. The setup/installation methods I had used would have been exactly what I would have done to *any* Android device. Root (if possible), sideload some of my personal apps....same thing I have done with any phone or tablet I have owned for years.
I also do not understand this whole "its SO expensive" nonsense. $199 is not too expensive for a quality built device by a reputable manufacturer that has been in the business for a VERY long long. I think $129 is too expensive for a Asian knock off device.
The rockchip is in that "Ugoos" thing. Maybe that would be an better option for you
EDIT: Ohh..now I see. You had a bad experience with yours, and Bol.com refunded your money instead of replacing the product. Now I get it. You don't own it anymore.
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No not more, but i do have hatred toward the Mojo, i just telling the facts, Most people just don't understand allot, they buy a product and think
they are done, plug and play, and sorry to say but thats not with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
But ALL the other Android TV BOXES have a ON OFF button and NTFS write support, and they have not a JoyPad key mapper App special for
that device, because simply it did not came with a JoyPad.
And if they just made dose 3 things, then it would have been a great Android TV Game BOX.
The NVIDIA SHIELD has a JoyPad key mapper App special for that device and thats only logical, and it has NTFS write support, they even recommend if you use a 64GB SD Card that you format it to NTFS, and copy the game DATA to it.
http://shield.nvidia.com/user-guide/sd-card/
So why did Mad Catz did that not with there M.O.J.O.?
But we will see how the ZERO Devices Z6C - RK3288 VoIP & Games will do, it looks good.
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No not more, but i do have hatred toward the Mojo, i just telling the facts, Most people just don't understand allot, they buy a product and think
they are done, plug and play, and sorry to say but thats not with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
But ALL the other Android TV BOXES have a ON OFF button and NTFS write support, and they have not a JoyPad key mapper App special for
that device, because simply it did not came with a JoyPad.
And if they just made dose 3 things, then it would have been a great Android TV Game BOX.
The NVIDIA SHIELD has a JoyPad key mapper App special for that device and thats only logical, and it has NTFS write support, they even recommend if you use a 64GB SD Card that you format it to NTFS, and copy the game DATA to it.
http://shield.nvidia.com/user-guide/sd-card/
So why did Mad Catz did that not with there M.O.J.O.?
But we will see how the ZERO Devices Z6C - RK3288 VoIP & Games will do, it looks good.
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The thing that gets me is that since you have had your bad experience, you have plastered these two tiny Mojo forums with nonsense about how this or that is "better", "why can't the Mojo do this", "where is the firmware", blah blah blah. If you do not care for the device the best way to protest is not to post in the forums. It is certainly not making any kind of contribution.
And you keep bringing up keymappers. Who cares about a keymapper? I personally think that they tend to suck and never work properly anyway. You would only need that to play games that were never designed for non-touch screen consoles with controllers. I only play games with controller support (everything I have run thus far does..except "Angry Birds"...which works a treat with a mouse BTW), and rarely run into anything worthwhile playing that does not. Games that do not provide controller support or in integrated method of mapping hardware buttons are simply not worth my time unless it is a game like Angry Birds that plays properly with a mouse. Why should Mad Catz compensate for games that were either designed ONLY for a touch screen (which the Mojo does not have BTW!) or games that have not been properly updated by the developers to include controller support? Controller support has been in the Android OS for quite some time....Mad Catz is not treading any new ground here. Even still, they did compensate with the inclusion of the mouse mode...something they really didn't even need to do honestly. I use a wireless mouse with mine religiously and the controller switch never moves out of controller mode. Your argument regarding this is pointless.
It is obvious that you want a system that is "plug and play", something you do not have to think about to use. You seem to keep calling out other android boxes and the Shield over and over, again and again in these forums...more or less trolling them in an attempt to spread your "Mojo hatred" gospel around.
You don't even own the device anymore. The best advice I can give you is to buy a Shield, or Mali, rockchip, YouGoose, or whatever else you want to migrate to, move to THAT forum and do something more constructive with your posts/comments. Hopefully you will not have a bad experience with one of these devices and have to migrate to a different device/forum afterward. If you think your propaganda is going to sway anyone away from the Mojo...I doubt it. An experienced user will understand its potential and make their own purchasing decisions. While you may be correct that "most users want to plug it in and be done", you are sorely mistaken with the users that navigate the XDA forums. If you believe that, my personal opinion is that you do not even belong here. This has always been the forums people come for hacking, developing, creating, modifying, etc. You do not sound to be that type of person at all.
You will see support for more things down the road as development continues and more people get their hands on the device and start chopping away at it and that requires patience, but you seem to want that quick fix. One thing is for certain and that is this is not the device for you. I am not sure really what would be. Maybe a Playstation or Xbox.
@Domomojo, the original topic starter: The title of this topic is very misleading. Mad Catz has "embraced" the FireHD? Looks like the Mojo is "dead"? Please link to a press release that states these. It's garbage like this that is the beginning of stupid rumors.
IM having the freezing issue with mine but I'm not sending mine away wouldn't want to do without it now I agree with zektor it is not dear for what you can do on this baby and its just the beginning you have to have patience in the meantime couldn't be happier with mad catz as zektor says the controller is well made I would buy a mojo 2 with tegra k1 in a heartbeat
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My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.
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I disagree, MCZ doesn't have much experience with software (Android).. so I expect that's the delay.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's bundled with the Ouya release.. lol never thought I would see the day!
Mojo compared to the Amazon fire tv, I think it's still better for many reasons:
Better hardware
Best controller (PC, Android & travel clip)
Easily rooted, vanilla Google
Tegra store, 99% compatibility
The keymapper, for me is a non-issue as mentioned and if it was an issue, there's great 3rd party software.
MCZ did say they had plans for making their own mapper (mentioned in the dev docs) ... some also mentioned something about using nvidia's mapper.. but I doubt that would happen... unless the shield 2 is a tv box and MZC is making their controller also
Don't be hating on @AmigaWolf, he's just particular about his devices... even as an Ex-mojo own he's welcome here
BTW, I agree that ZERO Devices Z6C looks very cheap, make sure you buy it from a good place where you can return it
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@Domomojo, the original topic starter: The title of this topic is very misleading. Mad Catz has "embraced" the FireHD? Looks like the Mojo is "dead"? Please link to a press release that states these. It's garbage like this that is the beginning of stupid rumors.
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You're aware that the Amazon FireTV Controller is a Mad Catz product right?
With respect to the pending demise (strictly my opinion) of the MOJO, unfortunately, a certain minimum number of ongoing unit sales are required in order for a company to continue to develop and support a product. MOJO doesn't seem to be hitting that number. The fact that it requires rooting to access most content renders it unappealing to the masses, and there just aren't enough "hard core" Android gamers out there willing to drop $199 on the console to keep it going IMO. The MOJO is better from a hardware perspective, but not that much better. The average buyer will be much more satisfied (and much less frustrated) with a $99 FireTV paired with a $49 CTLRr.
PS: The $49 CTRLr supports both BT4 and BT2.2, no dongle required. The controller supplied with the MOJO (when I bought mine anyway) requires a dongle, which wastes the USB 3.0 port, and complicates using the controller with other mobile platforms not yet supporting Android 4.4.
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You're aware that the Amazon FireTV Controller is a Mad Catz product right?
With respect to the pending demise (strictly my opinion) of the MOJO, unfortunately, a certain minimum number of ongoing unit sales are required in order for a company to continue to develop and support a product. MOJO doesn't seem to be hitting that number. The fact that it requires rooting to access most content renders it unappealing to the masses, and there just aren't enough "hard core" Android gamers out there willing to drop $199 on the console to keep it going IMO. The MOJO is better from a hardware perspective, but not that much better. The average buyer will be much more satisfied (and much less frustrated) with a $99 FireTV paired with a $49 CTLRr.
PS: The $49 CTRLr supports both BT4 and BT2.2, no dongle required. The controller supplied with the MOJO (when I bought mine anyway) requires a dongle, which wastes the USB 3.0 port, and complicates using the controller with other mobile platforms not yet supporting Android 4.4.
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Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?
The fact that the Fire tv uses Amazon's OS is reason enough not to want that system. Doesn't seem likes its been rooted yet? The fact that the MOJO has easy root access and standard Android is a huge plus in my opinion. I agree, your average plug and play user would probably not like it.
The CTRLR is an awesome controller and MadCatz should be trying to get it on as many Android tv devices as possible, it just makes good business sense. I don't really see how that relates to MadCatz giving up on the MOJO. Really, the only reason you may need a different remote or keyboard is if you type a lot. The low battery usage alone is a huge plus added in.
I am anxiously awaiting the kit kat update and OUYA update, so hopefully they do come. We always complain when things are rushed out and don't work appropriately, but then we complain when something doesn't come quick enough. Hopefully its just a case of all the ducks in a line.
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The fact that the Fire tv uses Amazon's OS is reason enough not to want that system. Doesn't seem likes its been rooted yet? The fact that the MOJO has easy root access and standard Android is a huge plus in my opinion. I agree, your average plug and play user would probably not like it.
The CTRLR is an awesome controller and MadCatz should be trying to get it on as many Android tv devices as possible, it just makes good business sense. I don't really see how that relates to MadCatz giving up on the MOJO. Really, the only reason you may need a different remote or keyboard is if you type a lot. The low battery usage alone is a huge plus added in.
I am anxiously awaiting the kit kat update and OUYA update, so hopefully they do come. We always complain when things are rushed out and don't work appropriately, but then we complain when something doesn't come quick enough. Hopefully its just a case of all the ducks in a line.
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Not only is it not rooted yet and no real way to sideload apps, but it still has no keyboard support. It's not even in the same league as the Mojo. I am not knocking the FireTV however, I think it is a neat device for the average user. I just expect a lot more out of my devices
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Who cares about a keymapper?
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SO you buy (like you say) a Android Game TV BOX, but you don't care about games?
So you only want to play a hand full of GOOD Android games, because most are noting special, and the good games works most of the time
only with tough screen, only 1% of the games on android (maybe even less) works with a JoyPad.
you are sorely mistaken with the users that navigate the XDA forums. If you believe that, my personal opinion is that you do not even
belong here. This has always been the forums people come for hacking, developing, creating, modifying, etc. You do not sound to be that type
of person at all.
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Sorry but only about 1% of the people are going to XDA that want to buy a Android Game TV BOX like the M.O.J.O., yes later some go to XDA,
because they thought they bought a easy Android Game TV BOX, where they could play allot of games on.
You will see support for more things down the road as development continues and more people get their hands on the device and start
chopping away at it and that requires patience, but you seem to want that quick fix.
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Sorry to say but the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. is already 7 a 8 mounts on the market and still we have not the basics, NTFS write support and
JoyPad key mapper App special for that device, and maybe thats not in portent to you but it is for the 99% of the people that want a good
Android Game TV BOX, thats cost $199, and also $ 200,- is allot of money for most people for just a Android Game TV BOX (with of course a
JoyPad).
And the fact you need to Root to access most content is also unappealing to the masses, just like Domomojo says.
Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?
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And sorry to say but if i look at Amazon and Newegg i see only a view people buying the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and it get less stars and eggs then the
NVIDIA SHIELD, and that IS bad for business.
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Don't be hating on @AmigaWolf, he's just particular about his devices... even as an
Ex-mojo own he's welcome here
BTW, I agree that ZERO Devices Z6C looks very cheap, make sure you buy it from a good place where you can return it
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And thank you for your kind words gwaldo, and yes i was just venting a little bit, but sorry to say the ZERO Devices Z6C does not look more
cheaper then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., because the M.O.J.O. is also only made of plastic, and thats also one thing Mad Catz had to
made different, because it feels and looks cheap.
I Just Need To Vent A Bit
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Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?
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Mad Catz is in the controller business, and has been for decades, but they've never made a private label controller for Amazon's FireTV have they? I'd call that "embracing" the device. I'm sure they hope Amazon sells a billion FireTVs, each one with a pair of controllers. As far as editing my title, I think "Looks like" is qualifier enough. WRT information, everything I know is in the public domain. do your own homework. All that said, I have no reason to want MOJO not to be a commercial success. I just don't think the company has the resources to make it a commercial success. I don't even think they're selling enough units to continue to dedicate manpower to supporting the unit. Time will tell.
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Mad Catz is in the controller business, and has been for decades, but they've never made a private label controller for Amazon's FireTV have they? I'd call that "embracing" the device. I'm sure they hope Amazon sells a billion FireTVs, each one with a pair of controllers. As far as editing my title, I think "Looks like" is qualifier enough. WRT information, everything I know is in the public domain. do your own homework. All that said, I have no reason to want MOJO not to be a commercial success. I just don't think the company has the resources to make it a commercial success. I don't even think they're selling enough units to continue to dedicate manpower to supporting the unit. Time will tell.
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At least you own the device and want it to succeed. Unlike the "other" poster that does not own it and seems to be making his life's mission to dissuade people from purchasing it (and keeps promoting other junk) and to continually whine about why it doesn't have something that >he< wants. It's really getting old now. I love the Mojo and want to contribute to it, but it might not be in these forums as there seems to be no control over this idiocy.
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And thank you for your kind words gwaldo, and yes i was just venting a little bit, but sorry to say the ZERO Devices Z6C does not look more
cheaper then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., because the M.O.J.O. is also only made of plastic, and thats also one thing Mad Catz had to
made different, because it feels and looks cheap.
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What's cheap about he mojo? (apart from software issues) it's good quality.. the pics on that device (IMHO) look nasty cheap.. but i'm not one for aesthetics so I don't care what it looks like... but with tech it's sometimes better to pay extra for good tech that out performs the cheaper tech.
An old Ukraine friend once said to me, 'if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it' and 'buy cheap, buy it twice'... stuck with me.
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I love the Mojo and want to contribute to it, but it might not be in these forums as there seems to be no control over this idiocy.
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There's no idiocy.. it's the internet.. embrace free speech (while we have it!).
Don't let the hardcore tech freaks get you down.. I'm a fan of the mojo.. I wrote a bit about it on my site (http://xpcoin.com)
This is the largest forum for the mojo that I know of.. shame it's not bigger but it's niche and not $99.
There will be a turning point when people will want a mojo. Competitors like fireTV , google, cheaper devices all help the mojo because people will compare it... and some will see the advantages to having a better quality unity.
Today most don't, but I see this changing as android evolves and it's users, nvidia is heavily invested in this also.
I dont know if the mojo is a success or failure from MCZ point of view.. but for being among the first 'micro-consoles' and not selling out (ie ouya's nasty controller), it's ahead of the pack.. and positioned for the future (K1 etc)
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What's cheap about he mojo? (apart from software issues) it's good quality.. the pics on that device (IMHO) look nasty cheap.. but i'm not one for aesthetics so I don't care what it looks like... but with tech it's sometimes better to pay extra for good tech that out performs the cheaper tech.
An old Ukraine friend once said to me, 'if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it' and 'buy cheap, buy it twice'... stuck with me.
There's no idiocy.. it's the internet.. embrace free speech (while we have it!).
Don't let the hardcore tech freaks get you down.. I'm a fan of the mojo.. I wrote a bit about it on my site (http://xpcoin.com)
This is the largest forum for the mojo that I know of.. shame it's not bigger but it's niche and not $99.
There will be a turning point when people will want a mojo. Competitors like fireTV , google, cheaper devices all help the mojo because people will compare it... and some will see the advantages to having a better quality unity.
Today most don't, but I see this changing as android evolves and it's users, nvidia is heavily invested in this also.
I dont know if the mojo is a success or failure from MCZ point of view.. but for being among the first 'micro-consoles' and not selling out (ie ouya's nasty controller), it's ahead of the pack.. and positioned for the future (K1 etc)
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No worries at all. I laugh at people like this doof. The sad part is that he knows deep down that the Mojo is the best set top box available currently, but he had issues and was not able to obtain another one. Now, the Shield and the Mali, and the Rockchip, and the...whatever is what he is trying to sell to the public to try to dissuade them from getting the device that he deep down really wants to own. I can read between the lines AmigaWolf. I know you want the Mojo but can't obtain it now. I am sorry for your loss. You will get it again, you just need to save up a little bit.
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No worries at all. I laugh at people like this doof. The sad part is that he knows deep down that the Mojo is the best set top box available currently, but he had issues and was not able to obtain another one. Now, the Shield and the Mali, and the Rockchip, and the...whatever is what he is trying to sell to the public to try to dissuade them from getting the device that he deep down really wants to own. I can read between the lines AmigaWolf. I know you want the Mojo but can't obtain it now. I am sorry for your loss. You will get it again, you just need to save up a little bit.
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I know it's hard to hear the truth, i feel for you i really do.
So I was shopping for games this morning and I realized just how far microconsole gaming has to go. Honestly at this point how many games can you play on Shield that you can't already play on your Mojo? I like everyone am holding on to my wallet just biting at the bit to lay down my 199.00 for my new shield console This as I am staring at a Fire Tv, Adt1,Ouya that are not even plugged in I hate to admit it but Ouya is still ahead of the game when it comes to controller based games on Android. Downloading from Google Play is a crap shoot in many cases? They also have the storage issue down pat which many of its newer Android Tv bretherin are yet to accomplish. The stupid part is, When I think about Ouya I get pissed because they just keep doing stupid sh?t:silly: Maybe it's the idea I am in love with?
So how many more boxes will I buy before I get a clue?:cyclops:
I really wonder when the Shield console will release? No pre orders are available yet, and I'm not sure what they are waiting for. The demand must be high or something. I wouldn't buy a fire TV or OUYA because the new shield will destroy those two products combined!
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I really wonder when the Shield console will release? No pre orders are available yet, and I'm not sure what they are waiting for. The demand must be high or something. I wouldn't buy a fire TV or OUYA because the new shield will destroy those two products combined!
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The Shield is supposed to be in May. I wonder if Google plans to step up the content on Android TV around the same time? The Razor Forge should also be along shortly. I just want one Android microconsole that does it all
Yea and I'm tired of spending $100 dollars for ****ty micro consoles. The Shield console should definitely change that.
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Yea and I'm tired of spending $100 dollars for ****ty micro consoles. The Shield console should definitely change that.
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I can bet you that the new shield will not be 100% working.. there'll be issues with AndroidTV, limited onboard storage, etc etc.
The trick is to enjoy what works and work around what doesn't.
It's early days in the 'micro console' days.
I wouldn't be surprised if new TV's come out with AndroidTV pre-installed on cheap dual core SoC's. :good:
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I can bet you that the new shield will not be 100% working.. there'll be issues with AndroidTV, limited onboard storage, etc etc.
The trick is to enjoy what works and work around what doesn't.
It's early days in the 'micro console' days.
I wouldn't be surprised if new TV's come out with AndroidTV pre-installed on cheap dual core SoC's. :good:
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Tell you what I refuse to buy another box that is strapped for storage space. I will keep my Mojo and Draco until then. Do you think NVidia would be stupid enough to release the console with a major flaw like that? I know Shield is supposed to be about game streaming but what of Google Play support? I own games on Fire TV, AndroidTV, Ouya I would love to get them all on one box but I know that's never going to happen
Do any of you own and play Ouya Games? I have been trying to decide if spending money on the Ouya platform is a losing battle? They are still adding games all the time many are good ones. They have the partnership with Playcast Media which is awesome by the way. They have the largest library of Controller based Android games that I know of. My opinion is there is a Bigboy other than just the China partners that is keeping them going maybe as a test bed of some kind. How else could they still be here? They already have a tie with NVidia? To me the whole microconsole industry is very interesting to see how this will all play out. What's your guess?
well the Shield just got much more interesting offering a 500gb console......OUYA!!!
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well the Shield just got much more interesting offering a 500gb console......OUYA!!!
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Where did you get the 500gb on the shield from?
I can't see nvidia doing so, not for 199USD.
The obox has a harddisk but it's not X1.
The future is Android :good:
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Where did you get the 500gb on the shield from?
I can't see nvidia doing so, not for 199USD.
The obox has a harddisk but it's not X1.
The future is Android :good:
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NVidia for a short time had a 299.00 option with 500gb. I have since read a retraction on Android Police.
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Do any of you own and play Ouya Games? I have been trying to decide if spending money on the Ouya platform is a losing battle? They are still adding games all the time many are good ones. They have the partnership with Playcast Media which is awesome by the way. They have the largest library of Controller based Android games that I know of. My opinion is there is a Bigboy other than just the China partners that is keeping them going maybe as a test bed of some kind. How else could they still be here? They already have a tie with NVidia? To me the whole microconsole industry is very interesting to see how this will all play out. What's your guess?
well the Shield just got much more interesting offering a 500gb console......OUYA!!!
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Ouya seeks quick sale as debts mount
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-04-29-ouya-seeks-quick-sale-as-debts-mount
I never did get the ouya, the sorry dev kits said it all really.
TegraZone have a good controller game library and google play last year introduced the controller friendly icon, so that should be even better.
And now nvidia up'ing it's game.. yeah Ouya was an interesting experiment.. like GameStick
But, your right.. Ouya's worth something.. someone will buy it cheap.. and maybe make their own microconsole.. Ouya II :laugh:
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NVidia for a short time had a 299.00 option with 500gb. I have since read a retraction on Android Police.
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Looks like that option is back:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XO7AK1U/ref=cm_sw_su_dp
To bad the 16GB $199 version has no SATA port.. it has the 2.5' drive bay tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFZfCBXw6K4
I hope someone hacks it.
A 1TB drive and the $199 option would have sold better then a $299 IMO.
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Looks like that option is back:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XO7AK1U/ref=cm_sw_su_dp
To bad the 16GB $199 version has no SATA port.. it has the 2.5' drive bay tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFZfCBXw6K4
I hope someone hacks it.
A 1TB drive and the $199 option would have sold better then a $299 IMO.
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LOL You caught me in the middle of a cluster f**k. I have waited and now I can't make up my mind ? At $300 that's getting awful close to my PS4 so then I start asking myself what the Shield will offer me that my Ps4 can't? I have to wonder at this point if they should not have added the 8gig of ram and made it a true console?
To me if the 16GB version is expandable you are right it would be better to just add a 1TB hard-drive for the extra money ? . So it does have a 2.5 internal HD bay? Then I am curious if a external HD via USB will work ?
Speaking of cluster f**ks , recent reviews of Android TV have not been the greatest . Serious lack of programs and games . The Forge TV looks to be a big disaster , no Netflix or external drive support , controller issues they must have taken a course from the Ouya school of Business ?
I may be waiting awhile with my Mojo and Ouya to see how this pans out.
I think game consoles are old fashioned.... Like wearing a watch.
Yeah android TV will take a lot of time to mature.
Because it has no touch screen ... Lol remember when the mojo came out lol
But it has to done that way..
Eventually it will gain more support and apps.
There's always sideloading
I'd rather android over Sony's or Microsoft's platform.
Same, plan on sticking with mojo at least till the end of the year.
Android M External Storage Can Be 'Adopted' As True Internal Storage Or Accessed Normally With No Additional Apps:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...or-accessed-normally-with-no-additional-apps/
It looks like the Shield 16gb has done everything right (+external storage) based off of the reviews I've seen. At least better than this sh** product called the MOJO. Nvidia has saved Android TV and I hope they are happy because their product rocks!
Who is buying one? Anyone?
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It looks like the Shield 16gb has done everything right (+external storage) based off of the reviews I've seen. At least better than this sh** product called the MOJO. Nvidia has saved Android TV and I hope they are happy because their product rocks!
Who is buying one? Anyone?
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+external storage? you mean having NTFS and xfat?
Let us know if you find people adding a SATA drive as native storage to shield 16g. :good:
Ok here is what I actually found out. I have been told that you cannot move games to a USB HDD. : ( You are allowed to move games to a SD card up to 128 GB. I also heard you cannot add your own SATA drive to the empty drive bay because there is no SATA port inside of the Shield Android TV. I'm a little disappointing with this news, but I still believe the Shield is a great product.
Android M should fix this problem if the software ever comes to Shield Android TV.
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So I was shopping for games this morning and I realized just how far microconsole gaming has to go. Honestly at this point how many games can you play on Shield that you can't already play on your Mojo? I like everyone am holding on to my wallet just biting at the bit to lay down my 199.00 for my new shield console This as I am staring at a Fire Tv, Adt1,Ouya that are not even plugged in I hate to admit it but Ouya is still ahead of the game when it comes to controller based games on Android. Downloading from Google Play is a crap shoot in many cases? They also have the storage issue down pat which many of its newer Android Tv bretherin are yet to accomplish. The stupid part is, When I think about Ouya I get pissed because they just keep doing stupid sh?t:silly: Maybe it's the idea I am in love with?
So how many more boxes will I buy before I get a clue?:cyclops:
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IF ouya would of used a tegra 4 and had 2 gigs of ram, they would have done really really well. It was just to underpowered to impress. I think shield tv is going to own the living room. Mojo could stay around if they update to android tv and drop the price to $99.99
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IF ouya would of used a tegra 4 and had 2 gigs of ram, they would have done really really well. It was just to underpowered to impress. I think shield tv is going to own the living room. Mojo could stay around if they update to android tv and drop the price to $99.99
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The Madcatz store has the Mojo down to $103.99. I am pretty sure they are phasing out the Mojo as there is no reference at all on there homepage. The sad thing is Mojo at 2years old still outpowers allot of the current boxes. I looked at the benchmarks of Forge Tv, and the Mojo is neck and neck. Madcatz just dropped the ball with software and seems to have lost interest in any further development . With Razer buying out Ouya I am going to keep the Mojo and see how the new boxes come together after the bugs get worked out.
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Hi all yeah bought my mojo here in UK for £89. Gotta admit the was some problems at first, but eventually have mine running sweet as a nut. Given the fact that android gaming is on the rise surely makes larger companies like nvidia to push this forward. But scince the release of ouya there has always been a common problem, the issus of compatible Google play store, even the powerful nvidia shield has its problems with that. I use my nexus 7 for gaming with my madcatz mojo controller and play store on here is vastly more. Even looking at the new shield TV console which dam looks good, still is going to have the same problem we all get. Looks to me the new shield has focused more on a device to be a PC streamer from there servers. I am for one not entirely comfortable with That. Rather use my Pc.
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But scince the release of ouya there has always been a common problem, the issus of compatible Google play store, even the powerful nvidia shield has its problems with that.
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Game compatibility on Android is often just an arbitrary lock that can by fixed by device spoofing or sideloading apps extracted from other devices (for example your Nexus 7). And if Market Helper fails in some cases or the target device hasn't been rooted I recommend installing Android X86 on a virtual machine where it's irrelevant if you damage that system when editing the build.prop file.
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Yeah Google play store checks your device then shows compatible apps based on build prop. I've been modding files for long time and certainly when it came to my mojo, the only way for me which worked best was to modify the build prop. Mojo is stock ROM running moddaco mod, which rooted gave me some more access to apps, 2nd by looking at list from nexus 7 still found lack of apps mainly Gameloft. So I decided to edit build prop file, tricky and bricked device few times, but after days of tinkering and going back and forth to get the file abbreviations put correctly. Build prop file is now running as nvidia shield. With some performance tweaks to cut cpu lag out, Market compatibility is now a lot better. Now I did try out the cm12 on the mojo, liked it and although play store did show more high end games mainly some of the regular games did not show as compatible. Ie- dead trigger. Tried the modacco mod. But it didn't like that. Tonight next move I will try would be cm12, root with towelroot, then apply nvidia build prop. See how it goes, but given the fact play store on shield still suffers I might compile the build prop up from the nexus 7 or looking at the jxd line from there gaming tablets. In all like to see company's working on the goal of compiling the code right for the device to be fully compatible based on spec rather than device model and with the right integration of software for full controller support, seems its all left to us to pick up the pieces to get things to work properly. Lol