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Convince Me To Buy An OUYA

Hey everyone!
I've been on the edge about the OUYA for a while now and am thinking that this thing could either really take off or be a pretty big bust. At $99 I feel like this could be a great media streaming device with some basic games on the side. I'm currently deciding between this and the ROKU 3.
If the OUYA eventually gets some FPS games like MC4 where you can use online gampelay and get direct support from Netflix and other streaming services this could be a great product for me. My thing is, do I really wanna pay $99 for this thing only to find that it eventually gets no dev support?
Also, I understand you can sideload apps and do all that stuff, but this is an entertainment and gaming device. I have a rooted GS4 and N7, so if I wanna sideload apps and flash a bunch of custom roms I'll use one of them. When I turn on my OUYA I want a flawless experience without having to do anything to it.
So convince me why I should buy the OUYA.

Because its cool. What else are you going to spend a hundred bucks on?
Why should we convince you? It doesn't affect us whether or not you get one

Because you will be ahead if the revolution. You'll be cool before it was cool.
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Nxxx said:
Hey everyone!
I've been on the edge about the OUYA for a while now and am thinking that this thing could either really take off or be a pretty big bust. At $99 I feel like this could be a great media streaming device with some basic games on the side. I'm currently deciding between this and the ROKU 3.
If the OUYA eventually gets some FPS games like MC4 where you can use online gampelay and get direct support from Netflix and other streaming services this could be a great product for me. My thing is, do I really wanna pay $99 for this thing only to find that it eventually gets no dev support?
Also, I understand you can sideload apps and do all that stuff, but this is an entertainment and gaming device. I have a rooted GS4 and N7, so if I wanna sideload apps and flash a bunch of custom roms I'll use one of them. When I turn on my OUYA I want a flawless experience without having to do anything to it.
So convince me why I should buy the OUYA.
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I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.

For a media streaming device, its not really there yet. You would be better served with the Roku.
Remember though, the device hasn't even been released for the general public yet. It's only been out of most of the Kickstater for a few weeks (some are still waiting). I finally started tinking with mine yesterday. It's definitely in a more or less, beta stage.
Basically, what you said is basically what people are doing. Getting APKs from their other Android devices, side loading, and seeing what works. Some try tweaking the APKs to get to work better. Related, but not on point, there are no, or very few custom roms for the device thus far. It's not a device for the flashaholic.
As you implied, there is a bit of redundancy of having it and another Android, such as Galaxy S4 or Nexus7. This is device that you can leave hooked up to the TV, whereas the others, not really since you'll want to take them on the go; I don't believe the N7 can be hooked up the TV.
I say it something to get if you like tinkering with an Android device, And can live with it that it may not work exactly like you hope. For me, I like the Ouya device. Yet, it has all the things I like, and hate, about the Android platform. End of the day, it is still an Android device.
Although, the Roku 3 will serve your media stream needs, at least most of them, you're not going to get MC4.

acetkbez said:
I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.
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You do know that you were correct in saying it's not ready for primetime yet, right? I mean they've even said that, maybe not in those words but still. If you've only messed with it for 10 minutes, then you have missed 99% of what it can do.
to OP: If you are looking for a super Android based media machine, this might not be for you. Why? Because it's a brand new concept, the first of it's kind. Will it have the capability to match or even surpass the Roku's of the world? I believe so, but not without some tinkering. There is a LOT it has to offer and at $99, it's a good deal.
The thing comes out of the box ready for apps to be downloaded both from the web and from the OUYA market. I think the term sideloading intimidates people, but the truth is getting an app on this thing is as easy as opening the built in browser, googling the app you want, and clicking download. This gets even easier when you install AirDroid and you can do it all from your laptop!
So what I'm trying to say is out of the box without tinkering you still have access to almost all non-drm Android apps. NOt all of them look right, but so far many work good.
As for the buggy stuff, as someone else mentioned, this is more of a beta phase than anything else, I suspect we'll see a large update in the next week before official release.
So if you want a rather powerful little device to play some good games (including the fact it has (or will have) all the emulators for Atari to PS1 on the OUYA market), with the potential to blow away what a ROKU can do, your $99 could not be better spent, but if you want something that is a sure thing for media only, get the ROKU.

Thanks for all the above everyone. I think I'm going to wait a little bit and see how things go. It sounds like a real cool device, but it really has its own little niche.
I'm not bashing on it or anything, but right now it doesn't seem to be really good at anything from what I've heard from you all.
It doesn't have great games and isn't a product for gamers. Doesn't have the media streaming services.
Until OUYA gets a deal with Netflix or a solid FPS comes out, I'm going to sit back and wait. I really want this product to succeed because it seems like it could be really functional and portable.
If I missed anything or you would like to correct me on anything please do. I'm open to all thoughts and opinions.
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Netflix's app just need tweaking for the controller input. Some have had better luck with it. I know I can bounce around with Sixasis controller enabled on my Galaxy Note 2 better than I was getting on the Ouya. Kind of odd. This is going to true for all media streaming apps. Some just may work better from the get go, so the updating/tweaking may be very minimal.
There are some good games. Chrono Blade looked nice and played well. I only played a few minutes. I briefly checked out Monster Boxing. Reminded me of Punch Out!. Its typical of situation of when a console launches. Couple gems, lots a mediocre, and even more crap.
Some of of what you ask is subjective. We don't know what kind of games you think are good. We don't know unbuggy something can be and still be a good experience for you. Don't know how much you like, want, or need to tinker. We're just trying to give a more objective facts based on experience and reading so you can decide a little more informed.
And thing is true, it's definitely a niche product. And most likely, any Android "game" console is going to be niche

acetkbez said:
I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.
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Did you try to get more for it than what you paid? Theres some one where I'm at trying to sell one for more than it cost them. Plus not knowing how to tell if he has the good controllers or the bad ones makes me nervous about buying his. Also you knew what you were signing up for right?

JLCollier2005 said:
Because it's a brand new concept, the first of it's kind. Will it have the capability to match or even surpass the Roku's of the world? I believe so, but not without some tinkering. There is a LOT it has to offer and at $99, it's a good deal.
So if you want a rather powerful little device to play some good games (including the fact it has (or will have) all the emulators for Atari to PS1 on the OUYA market), with the potential to blow away what a ROKU can do, your $99 could not be better spent, but if you want something that is a sure thing for media only, get the ROKU.
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I wouldn't say this is the first of its kind. There are many China Android boxes out there that run pure Android. These Chinese boxes already do Netflix. However, none of the China Android boxes in the market right now have Tegra3. They're all dual core processors with some Mali400 graphics component. The difference in graphics ability is big enough between Tegra3 and the Mali chips on the China Android boxes to convince me to pick Ouya over the currently available choices. The China Android boxes can just play HD, but there's not a lot of headroom, and they cost about the same as the Ouya. The Ouya is a better value. You get a controller (now fixed) and a high profile American company over a non-responsive Chinese manufacturer.
If we don't get any developer support for a pure Android ROM, that means the Ouya could do 2 solid things:
1) local media player (XBMC). Local meaning media files from your network, not Netflix media.
2) small games and game emulator
That is enough to satisfy me for a $100 device. That's because I'm not a Netflix user. The Roku, for about the same price, wouldn't add any more capability. The China Android boxes might have a slight lead because they run pure Android. Realistically, the China manufacturers will eventually be making Tegra3 level Android boxes running pure Android. Probably by the end of this year. And these boxes would rival the Ouya in terms of functionality.
I haven't been keeping up with the development work. What are the chances that we'll see a pure Android ROM for the Ouya? I know that's a subjective question.

Asadullah said:
Plus not knowing how to tell if he has the good controllers or the bad ones makes me nervous about buying his.
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A bit off topic but can you tell me what made the bad controllers bad? I have heard people say there were problems, but not what the problems were.
coachclass said:
I wouldn't say this is the first of its kind. There are many China Android boxes out there that run pure Android. These Chinese boxes already do Netflix. However, none of the China Android boxes in the market right now have Tegra3. They're all dual core processors with some Mali400 graphics component. The difference in graphics ability is big enough between Tegra3 and the Mali chips on the China Android boxes to convince me to pick Ouya over the currently available choices. The China Android boxes can just play HD, but there's not a lot of headroom, and they cost about the same as the Ouya. The Ouya is a better value. You get a controller (now fixed) and a high profile American company over a non-responsive Chinese manufacturer.
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While the China boxes might be out there, it's not something I'd go through again...I've bought plenty of things from China that never worked or worked right. I will say you are right about there being other options, though, but I meant more official.
coachclass said:
If we don't get any developer support for a pure Android ROM, that means the Ouya could do 2 solid things:
1) local media player (XBMC). Local meaning media files from your network, not Netflix media.
2) small games and game emulator
That is enough to satisfy me for a $100 device. That's because I'm not a Netflix user.
I haven't been keeping up with the development work. What are the chances that we'll see a pure Android ROM for the Ouya? I know that's a subjective question.
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XBMC already "kinda" supports OUYA. I say it that way because it's a known fact that you can get it up and running the same way you have to on your phone/tablet and that the people at OUYA are talking to the people at XBMC, so I think it's likely we'll see that in the market as soon as a stable release is found. I believe the same goes for Netflix. I am a netflix user and would love to see HD netflix on this thing, which shouldn't be hard, but it's not my main concern right now. WIthout the Google Architecture, them managing DRM on the thing shouldn't be too hard.
As for games, I'm not sure if "small games" is the correct term. Sure, they won't be Playstation 3/Xbox 360 quality, but I think people will be surprised at how much devs can push this thing! The ball is a good example of pretty good graphics, better than I originally thought possible, and it can only get better. While I didn't buy it with the thought of it being used as an Emulator, that's one of the main things I've done with it. Most recently I got PPSSPP to work on it and actually played a game.
As for development work, I know people are already working on builds, some already running in alpha, so I do believe we'll see some stable pure android ROM's sooner than later, although personally I wouldn't be using one. I like the structure that OUYA has laid over it and plan on keeping it that way, even if I am in the minority with that idea.

JLCollier2005 said:
A bit off topic but can you tell me what made the bad controllers bad? I have heard people say there were problems, but not what the problems were.
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Buttons sticking and not reacting as quickly as they should. Ouya did offer to replace any ones that was messed up like that and fixed the problem but some people didn't know that.

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Buttons sticking and not reacting as quickly as they should. Ouya did offer to replace any ones that was messed up like that and fixed the problem but some people didn't know that.
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Ah okay. I should make sure I didn't get any messed up ones, I haven't tried my second controller. Thanks!

I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.

Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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Not enough games? Can you tell me the last console that released with 154 (and counting since it's not officially released) games/apps? It's unprecedented. I don't know what you (or many others like you) expected, maybe you expected it to be more like a phone or tablet (and if that's the case, I can understand where you're coming from, I thought the same thing until I really thought about it).
The OUYA is doing things no other console has ever done, but people are not seeing it. The simple fact is that OUYA didn't (and shouldn't) put all the money into it day one, they need to think of the longevity of their product and their company.
Could they have done more? Sure! One thing is they should have thought about first party games. With the amount of money they made, they could have had a select few working on some top notch games for release. Being a brand new company, they struggled in getting support, however some big names have signed on to test the waters. With some good support, I wouldn't be surprised to see console quality games ported to the OUYA. Not as good graphics, of course, but that was never expected.

JLCollier2005 said:
Not enough games? Can you tell me the last console that released with 154 (and counting since it's not officially released) games/apps? It's unprecedented.
The OUYA is doing things no other console has ever done, but people are not seeing it.
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I don't really think the Ouya is doing something that no other console has ever done. There has been several Android set-top boxes out before Ouya. They run pure Android. Ouya is just bringing a game store to the Android set-top box idea. I wouldn't say it's revolutionary. I think some of the games that are out are just existing games from the Android play store anyways.
And I'm saying this as a pre-order customer for Ouya.

I have a Roku 3 and it is amazing. I am a cord cutter and got my sisters Time Warner and HBO Go login. I have Hulu Plus and Netflix. I also use Blockbuster and Amazon on Demand. The roku3 is butter man. Two leagues of their own. The Roku has magnificent streaming capabilities and never drops video. It balances bandwidth but never drops. It has a wealth of video watching. Games on the Roku3 are fun but an afterthought/gimmicky.
Ouya is a game console primarily and should be considered as such. My android devices can do Netflix and stuff but typically drop and have to rebuffer often. Some video services like Hulu Plus don't even work on Ouya yet.
I want an Ouya and recommend getting both but I would buy the Roku3 over the Ouya first IMO.
It just all depends on your priorities. We can play games on our cellphones but the family can't watch TV on one. If you have an alternative TV service like cable and streaming is not a priority then pick up a Ouya and see if it will suffice in place of both. I know my wife wouldn't use a game controller to control the TV.
Like previously stated, the Ouya is merely a new interface right now. Once it gains its foothold I think unique games will start to spruce up and it will take off.
I'm buying one just for multiplayer controller support, something no other android device can successfully do from my experience. My MK808 and N7 all see multiple controllers as the same player1 controller. I'd like to be able to play some old school Mortal Kombat and Mario Kart with my son and buddies.
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Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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I'll trade you my first gen Roku XDS and MK808 with external Antenna mod and a RC11 AirMouse.
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Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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This kind of response astounds me, but I'll just address one tiny point. The money given to OUYA. I hope everyone realizes that even including the venture capital $$, OUYA funding barely matches the advertising budgets for the big two, right. I mean, the Xbox 360 took five (?) years to become profitable. The idea that a device running Android, funded by kickstarter, and planned and developed in a year for release to retail, and then immediately viewed as a bad value in comparison to the big two is just mind-boggling.
It's not perfect, but it's great for its intended use.
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I agree. I just launched. Right now it is piggy backing off of the Android market but that is just the icing on the cake. With Mobile games becoming more and more advanced, it is nice to have the ability to play both. But that isn't what the Ouya is about. The Ouya is about CREATING a platform for people to build games out of their basement and get them public. Not all great minds work for a big company. Look how Minecraft took off. Minecraft NEVER would have been able to build directly for a console.
There are tons of fun games to play right out of the box for free. No other console does this. Aside from emulators, the Ouya is about an idea, spawned from the little people who just want to make and play games. Buying an Ouya doesn't just buy you an Ouya, but supports the idea that games don't have to cost $60. Perhaps if MS/Sony/Apple/Nintendo wouldn't charge so damn much just for stupid licensing and fees, we might live in a totally radical world right now.
If you can't appreciate the Ouya, then you can't look past your nose to see the big picture. It just isn't a purchase but an investment into a totally new way of creating and playing games. I, for one, cannot wait to see how the Ouya blossums and develops over the next year. If you are looking for instant gratification then the Ouya might fail you today. I think it is a worth while purchase just to have a dedicated emulator machine that plays on the big screen.

Ouya vs MOJO questions

I have a feeling the question answers itself, but...
There is really no PRO having a OUYA over the MOJO, right?
I'm really just interested in emulators older games (the PSX and N64) and don't feel the OUYA will be able to handle that.
But I noticed it's proprietary store with it's own apps. However, those are just android apps with OUYA skins? There's not some optimizations built into them that can come close to the MOJO's performance?

In terms of hardware, the Tegra 4 GPU and CPU are more than just a generational jump over Tegra 3. There isn't really any PRO to having OUYA unless you are heavily invested in that ecosystem.

The only PRO to an OUYA, as I mentioned in another post where you roughly asked the same question is that they have their own appstore where everything is guaranteed to be compatible and able to use. The MOJO is a far superior system, and the CTRLR is awesome.

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Pleiades7 said:
I have a feeling the question answers itself, but...
There is really no PRO having a OUYA over the MOJO, right?
I'm really just interested in emulators older games (the PSX and N64) and don't feel the OUYA will be able to handle that.
But I noticed it's proprietary store with it's own apps. However, those are just android apps with OUYA skins? There's not some optimizations built into them that can come close to the MOJO's performance?
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Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board

gwaldo said:
Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board
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I don't think OUYA is necessarily a scam...come on now, for $100 you get an Android gaming console with controller - plus I think they were the first company out there that really got a lot of us excited about an Android gaming console.
What turned me off from OUYA is the fact of the closed app ecosystem, 8gb of storage, and that controller well....you know. But for $100? Might be good for the not-so power user of Android. Maybe they'll step up their game with the OUYA 2.
Right now though, I'm very happy with my MOJO. More and more games are becoming available almost week by week. I can't wait to see where were at in just 6 months time

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If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
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Heh..I've actually got one of my old desktops sitting behind the TV just for this purpose....Which is actually why I got the MOJO, so I didn't have to use the PC anymore. I do miss having a CD-ROM for my Saturn and PSX, though, but I ripped most of my PSX games and the ISO's work just as well.

gwaldo said:
Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board
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Tried the PC box thing, just didn't like the way it felt. So I jailbroke my PS3 and use retroXMB for most things. But the PS3 can't do PSX emulation right (only non-shader boot rome in MM which gives you no customizations options) and N64 is out of the question.
So spending $150 for a MOJO just for a couple of emulators (FPse and N64 and....if the gods smile upon me....a gamecube emulator, if that could handle it, but I can live without it) makes me a happy girl and saves me the hundreds of dollars for the PC box.
Yes, I got my MOJO for $150. They had a quick sale on Amazon and got lucky. Ironically, as much as I love it, I probably wouldn't pay $250 since at that point I might as well just buy a custom PC. But, hell, $150 for a micro console that is essentially an major improvement on the OUYA priced at around the same price is/was a no-brainer.
Thx guys for all the advice. Im a dummie when it comes to this stuff and appreciate the clarification!

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mherma said:
I don't think OUYA is necessarily a scam...come on now, for $100 you get an Android gaming console with controller - plus I think they were the first company out there that really got a lot of us excited about an Android gaming console.
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Claiming to be an emulation device when their controllers don't have start/select, I call this profiting at the expense of it's fans!
When they launched, their controller was $30, after they launched it went to $50, I call this extortion!
All games free to play but require a Credit Card at setup! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The 'Free the games' fund benifited larger studios while publicly shafting the the indie devs it claimed to support from the start!!! :crying:
WHAT IF I REACH MY FUNDING GOAL BUT FALL SHORT OF RAISING $50K OR MISS MY FUNDING GOAL ENTIRELY? IS MY PROJECT STILL REQUIRED TO BE AN OUYA EXCLUSIVE?
No. We only require the 6-month OUYA exclusivity if we provide funds for your project out of the $1M Free the Games Fund (e.g., you successfully reach your funding objective, surpass $50,000 in funding, and therefore receive matched funds from us). Of course, if you don’t meet your Kickstarter goal at all, then maybe that means you can’t afford to make a game. We’ll be sad, of course, but we’ll understand if the game you can’t afford to make isn’t on OUYA.
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Yeah, I call Ouya a scam:laugh:
It might have been the first 'microconsole' but it has zero integrity to me.

Looks like MOJO is dead....MCZ has embraced the Amazon FireTV instead...

Maybe MOJO was a proof-of-concept style project (not terribly well executed), but even at the reduced price of $199 (did you pay $249? OUCH!!!!), the console is not competitive with Amazon's very similarly featured (and NO root or side-loading is required to access content!) $99 console. Add in the $49 CTRLr and....well you can do the math. My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.

Domomojo said:
Maybe MOJO was a proof-of-concept style project (not terribly well executed), but even at the reduced price of $199 (did you pay $249? OUCH!!!!), the console is not competitive with Amazon's very similarly featured (and NO root or side-loading is required to access content!) $99 console. Add in the $49 CTRLr and....well you can do the math. My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.
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Huh? These are two very different devices. The FireTV is a cool, easy to operate, inexpensive unit with Amazon's own proprietary modified version of Android. The Mojo is a very high powered device using stock android and is more of a "hardcore Android users" type of device. More can be done with the Mojo due to the fact that it is running stock android, and the mojo clearly outperforms it. And, it is a *good* thing to be rooted and have the ability to side load apps

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Huh? These are two very different devices. The FireTV is a cool, easy to operate, inexpensive unit with Amazon's own proprietary modified version of Android. The Mojo is a very high powered device using stock android and is more of a "hardcore Android users" type of device. More can be done with the Mojo due to the fact that it is running stock android, and the mojo clearly outperforms it. And, it is a *good* thing to be rooted and have the ability to side load apps
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The Rockchip RK3288 with Mali T628 will come out in a view weeks or a mound, and that one is gone be as fast or even faster then the Mad Catz
M.O.J.O., and will cost only US$ 120, and the plus points, the Rockchip RK3288 is gone have: HDMI 2.0 with a max resolution of 3840×2160 so
4K (The first SoC with real 4Kx2K video decoder), and 100M/1000M Ethernet and MUCH more.
And sorry, the price is what people will look at most of the time, and $199.99 is just to much for a Android TV BOX, even if you get a JoyPad with it, with
mouse function.
And a 2.4 GHz Wireless Dual Shock Sixaxis Controller Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 GPS3CT01 cost only $13.55, and works very smooth, my family have
two of them.

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The Rockchip RK3288 with Mali T628 will come out in a view weeks or a mound, and that one is gone be as fast or even faster then the Mad Catz
M.O.J.O., and will cost only US$ 120, and the plus points, the Rockchip RK3288 is gone have: HDMI 2.0 with a max resolution of 3840×2160 so
4K (The first SoC with real 4Kx2K video decoder), and 100M/1000M Ethernet and MUCH more.
And sorry, the price is what people will look at most of the time, and $199.99 is just to much for a Android TV BOX, even if you get a JoyPad with it, with
mouse function.
And a 2.4 GHz Wireless Dual Shock Sixaxis Controller Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 GPS3CT01 cost only $13.55, and works very smooth, my family have
two of them.
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Ewwww...I hate third party overseas rip-off controllers. I wouldn't pay 55 cents for that to be honest I would much rather have the official controller...which is around $50-$60, but is legit. The Mad Catz controller is rock solid and worth $50 as well in my opinion. To each their own I suppose.
I don't care much for Rockchip, Mali. I'm an Nvidia guy personally, and Tegra has been the staple for excellence in terms of performance and gaming (and games designed for Tegra) for some time now. If I were to go with any other chip it would be a TI OMAP. Again, to each their own.
$199 is not too much depending on who you ask. I'd love to see it cheaper (or even a cheaper version that did not include a controller) to be honest, but $199 is a pretty cheap en devour for everything this sucker can do and the performance I yield with it. I purchased my Sega Genesis brand new in 1989 for $189.99 I believe. It came with one game (Altered Beast) and that was it. Now, for $199 I can play the entire Genesis arsenal along with every other game system up to N64 with perfect performance. And Netflix, surf the net, manage a massive music collection, and more...and view it on a 48 inch modern TV via HDMI. Pretty good I say for $199.

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Ewwww...I hate third party overseas rip-off controllers. I wouldn't pay 55 cents for that to be honest I would much rather have the official controller...which is around $50-$60, but is legit. The Mad Catz controller is rock solid and worth $50 as well in my opinion. To each their own I suppose.
I don't care much for Rockchip, Mali. I'm an Nvidia guy personally, and Tegra has been the staple for excellence in terms of performance and gaming (and games designed for Tegra) for some time now. If I were to go with any other chip it would be a TI OMAP. Again, to each their own.
$199 is not too much depending on who you ask. I'd love to see it cheaper (or even a cheaper version that did not include a controller) to be honest, but $199 is a pretty cheap en devour for everything this sucker can do and the performance I yield with it. I purchased my Sega Genesis brand new in 1989 for $189.99 I believe. It came with one game (Altered Beast) and that was it. Now, for $199 I can play the entire Genesis arsenal along with every other game system up to N64 with perfect performance. And Netflix, surf the net, manage a massive music collection, and more...and view it on a 48 inch modern TV via HDMI. Pretty good I say for $199.
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Sorry but $199 it to much, you have todo to much work to get your baby (Mad Catz M.O.J.O.) working good, more then 95% of the Android games you cannot play with JoyPad, and the biggest stupit thing Mad Catz has done is not have there own JoyPad key mapper with this Android TV BOX, like what NVIDIA shield have done, and one that is special made for the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. and his JoyPad so it will work very easy and good.
And a simple remote controller with a OFF and ON button.
And NTFS write support.
If they had done that it wold be a great Android TV BOX, but they didn't and thats why MOST people won't but the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.

Wow, you seem to have a lot of hatred toward the Mojo. I am not sure what issues you have experienced with yours, but you make it out like it is some sort of a fact that the device is not very good...which is far from fact. If you know what you are doing, setup is ridiculously easy. The setup/installation methods I had used would have been exactly what I would have done to *any* Android device. Root (if possible), sideload some of my personal apps....same thing I have done with any phone or tablet I have owned for years.
I also do not understand this whole "its SO expensive" nonsense. $199 is not too expensive for a quality built device by a reputable manufacturer that has been in the business for a VERY long long. I think $129 is too expensive for a Asian knock off device.
The rockchip is in that "Ugoos" thing. Maybe that would be an better option for you
EDIT: Ohh..now I see. You had a bad experience with yours, and Bol.com refunded your money instead of replacing the product. Now I get it. You don't own it anymore.

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Wow, you seem to have a lot of hatred toward the Mojo. I am not sure what issues you have experienced with yours, but you make it out like it is some sort of a fact that the device is not very good...which is far from fact. If you know what you are doing, setup is ridiculously easy. The setup/installation methods I had used would have been exactly what I would have done to *any* Android device. Root (if possible), sideload some of my personal apps....same thing I have done with any phone or tablet I have owned for years.
I also do not understand this whole "its SO expensive" nonsense. $199 is not too expensive for a quality built device by a reputable manufacturer that has been in the business for a VERY long long. I think $129 is too expensive for a Asian knock off device.
The rockchip is in that "Ugoos" thing. Maybe that would be an better option for you
EDIT: Ohh..now I see. You had a bad experience with yours, and Bol.com refunded your money instead of replacing the product. Now I get it. You don't own it anymore.
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No not more, but i do have hatred toward the Mojo, i just telling the facts, Most people just don't understand allot, they buy a product and think
they are done, plug and play, and sorry to say but thats not with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
But ALL the other Android TV BOXES have a ON OFF button and NTFS write support, and they have not a JoyPad key mapper App special for
that device, because simply it did not came with a JoyPad.
And if they just made dose 3 things, then it would have been a great Android TV Game BOX.
The NVIDIA SHIELD has a JoyPad key mapper App special for that device and thats only logical, and it has NTFS write support, they even recommend if you use a 64GB SD Card that you format it to NTFS, and copy the game DATA to it.
http://shield.nvidia.com/user-guide/sd-card/
So why did Mad Catz did that not with there M.O.J.O.?
But we will see how the ZERO Devices Z6C - RK3288 VoIP & Games will do, it looks good.

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No not more, but i do have hatred toward the Mojo, i just telling the facts, Most people just don't understand allot, they buy a product and think
they are done, plug and play, and sorry to say but thats not with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
But ALL the other Android TV BOXES have a ON OFF button and NTFS write support, and they have not a JoyPad key mapper App special for
that device, because simply it did not came with a JoyPad.
And if they just made dose 3 things, then it would have been a great Android TV Game BOX.
The NVIDIA SHIELD has a JoyPad key mapper App special for that device and thats only logical, and it has NTFS write support, they even recommend if you use a 64GB SD Card that you format it to NTFS, and copy the game DATA to it.
http://shield.nvidia.com/user-guide/sd-card/
So why did Mad Catz did that not with there M.O.J.O.?
But we will see how the ZERO Devices Z6C - RK3288 VoIP & Games will do, it looks good.
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The thing that gets me is that since you have had your bad experience, you have plastered these two tiny Mojo forums with nonsense about how this or that is "better", "why can't the Mojo do this", "where is the firmware", blah blah blah. If you do not care for the device the best way to protest is not to post in the forums. It is certainly not making any kind of contribution.
And you keep bringing up keymappers. Who cares about a keymapper? I personally think that they tend to suck and never work properly anyway. You would only need that to play games that were never designed for non-touch screen consoles with controllers. I only play games with controller support (everything I have run thus far does..except "Angry Birds"...which works a treat with a mouse BTW), and rarely run into anything worthwhile playing that does not. Games that do not provide controller support or in integrated method of mapping hardware buttons are simply not worth my time unless it is a game like Angry Birds that plays properly with a mouse. Why should Mad Catz compensate for games that were either designed ONLY for a touch screen (which the Mojo does not have BTW!) or games that have not been properly updated by the developers to include controller support? Controller support has been in the Android OS for quite some time....Mad Catz is not treading any new ground here. Even still, they did compensate with the inclusion of the mouse mode...something they really didn't even need to do honestly. I use a wireless mouse with mine religiously and the controller switch never moves out of controller mode. Your argument regarding this is pointless.
It is obvious that you want a system that is "plug and play", something you do not have to think about to use. You seem to keep calling out other android boxes and the Shield over and over, again and again in these forums...more or less trolling them in an attempt to spread your "Mojo hatred" gospel around.
You don't even own the device anymore. The best advice I can give you is to buy a Shield, or Mali, rockchip, YouGoose, or whatever else you want to migrate to, move to THAT forum and do something more constructive with your posts/comments. Hopefully you will not have a bad experience with one of these devices and have to migrate to a different device/forum afterward. If you think your propaganda is going to sway anyone away from the Mojo...I doubt it. An experienced user will understand its potential and make their own purchasing decisions. While you may be correct that "most users want to plug it in and be done", you are sorely mistaken with the users that navigate the XDA forums. If you believe that, my personal opinion is that you do not even belong here. This has always been the forums people come for hacking, developing, creating, modifying, etc. You do not sound to be that type of person at all.
You will see support for more things down the road as development continues and more people get their hands on the device and start chopping away at it and that requires patience, but you seem to want that quick fix. One thing is for certain and that is this is not the device for you. I am not sure really what would be. Maybe a Playstation or Xbox.
@Domomojo, the original topic starter: The title of this topic is very misleading. Mad Catz has "embraced" the FireHD? Looks like the Mojo is "dead"? Please link to a press release that states these. It's garbage like this that is the beginning of stupid rumors.

IM having the freezing issue with mine but I'm not sending mine away wouldn't want to do without it now I agree with zektor it is not dear for what you can do on this baby and its just the beginning you have to have patience in the meantime couldn't be happier with mad catz as zektor says the controller is well made I would buy a mojo 2 with tegra k1 in a heartbeat

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My guess is that the Android 4.4 update will never come. I expect MCZ to allow MOJO to wither and die on the vine. IMO.
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I disagree, MCZ doesn't have much experience with software (Android).. so I expect that's the delay.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's bundled with the Ouya release.. lol never thought I would see the day!
Mojo compared to the Amazon fire tv, I think it's still better for many reasons:
Better hardware
Best controller (PC, Android & travel clip)
Easily rooted, vanilla Google
Tegra store, 99% compatibility
The keymapper, for me is a non-issue as mentioned and if it was an issue, there's great 3rd party software.
MCZ did say they had plans for making their own mapper (mentioned in the dev docs) ... some also mentioned something about using nvidia's mapper.. but I doubt that would happen... unless the shield 2 is a tv box and MZC is making their controller also
Don't be hating on @AmigaWolf, he's just particular about his devices... even as an Ex-mojo own he's welcome here
BTW, I agree that ZERO Devices Z6C looks very cheap, make sure you buy it from a good place where you can return it

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@Domomojo, the original topic starter: The title of this topic is very misleading. Mad Catz has "embraced" the FireHD? Looks like the Mojo is "dead"? Please link to a press release that states these. It's garbage like this that is the beginning of stupid rumors.
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You're aware that the Amazon FireTV Controller is a Mad Catz product right?
With respect to the pending demise (strictly my opinion) of the MOJO, unfortunately, a certain minimum number of ongoing unit sales are required in order for a company to continue to develop and support a product. MOJO doesn't seem to be hitting that number. The fact that it requires rooting to access most content renders it unappealing to the masses, and there just aren't enough "hard core" Android gamers out there willing to drop $199 on the console to keep it going IMO. The MOJO is better from a hardware perspective, but not that much better. The average buyer will be much more satisfied (and much less frustrated) with a $99 FireTV paired with a $49 CTLRr.
PS: The $49 CTRLr supports both BT4 and BT2.2, no dongle required. The controller supplied with the MOJO (when I bought mine anyway) requires a dongle, which wastes the USB 3.0 port, and complicates using the controller with other mobile platforms not yet supporting Android 4.4.

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You're aware that the Amazon FireTV Controller is a Mad Catz product right?
With respect to the pending demise (strictly my opinion) of the MOJO, unfortunately, a certain minimum number of ongoing unit sales are required in order for a company to continue to develop and support a product. MOJO doesn't seem to be hitting that number. The fact that it requires rooting to access most content renders it unappealing to the masses, and there just aren't enough "hard core" Android gamers out there willing to drop $199 on the console to keep it going IMO. The MOJO is better from a hardware perspective, but not that much better. The average buyer will be much more satisfied (and much less frustrated) with a $99 FireTV paired with a $49 CTLRr.
PS: The $49 CTRLr supports both BT4 and BT2.2, no dongle required. The controller supplied with the MOJO (when I bought mine anyway) requires a dongle, which wastes the USB 3.0 port, and complicates using the controller with other mobile platforms not yet supporting Android 4.4.
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Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?

The fact that the Fire tv uses Amazon's OS is reason enough not to want that system. Doesn't seem likes its been rooted yet? The fact that the MOJO has easy root access and standard Android is a huge plus in my opinion. I agree, your average plug and play user would probably not like it.
The CTRLR is an awesome controller and MadCatz should be trying to get it on as many Android tv devices as possible, it just makes good business sense. I don't really see how that relates to MadCatz giving up on the MOJO. Really, the only reason you may need a different remote or keyboard is if you type a lot. The low battery usage alone is a huge plus added in.
I am anxiously awaiting the kit kat update and OUYA update, so hopefully they do come. We always complain when things are rushed out and don't work appropriately, but then we complain when something doesn't come quick enough. Hopefully its just a case of all the ducks in a line.

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The fact that the Fire tv uses Amazon's OS is reason enough not to want that system. Doesn't seem likes its been rooted yet? The fact that the MOJO has easy root access and standard Android is a huge plus in my opinion. I agree, your average plug and play user would probably not like it.
The CTRLR is an awesome controller and MadCatz should be trying to get it on as many Android tv devices as possible, it just makes good business sense. I don't really see how that relates to MadCatz giving up on the MOJO. Really, the only reason you may need a different remote or keyboard is if you type a lot. The low battery usage alone is a huge plus added in.
I am anxiously awaiting the kit kat update and OUYA update, so hopefully they do come. We always complain when things are rushed out and don't work appropriately, but then we complain when something doesn't come quick enough. Hopefully its just a case of all the ducks in a line.
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Not only is it not rooted yet and no real way to sideload apps, but it still has no keyboard support. It's not even in the same league as the Mojo. I am not knocking the FireTV however, I think it is a neat device for the average user. I just expect a lot more out of my devices

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Who cares about a keymapper?
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SO you buy (like you say) a Android Game TV BOX, but you don't care about games?
So you only want to play a hand full of GOOD Android games, because most are noting special, and the good games works most of the time
only with tough screen, only 1% of the games on android (maybe even less) works with a JoyPad.
you are sorely mistaken with the users that navigate the XDA forums. If you believe that, my personal opinion is that you do not even
belong here. This has always been the forums people come for hacking, developing, creating, modifying, etc. You do not sound to be that type
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Sorry but only about 1% of the people are going to XDA that want to buy a Android Game TV BOX like the M.O.J.O., yes later some go to XDA,
because they thought they bought a easy Android Game TV BOX, where they could play allot of games on.
You will see support for more things down the road as development continues and more people get their hands on the device and start
chopping away at it and that requires patience, but you seem to want that quick fix.
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Sorry to say but the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. is already 7 a 8 mounts on the market and still we have not the basics, NTFS write support and
JoyPad key mapper App special for that device, and maybe thats not in portent to you but it is for the 99% of the people that want a good
Android Game TV BOX, thats cost $199, and also $ 200,- is allot of money for most people for just a Android Game TV BOX (with of course a
JoyPad).
And the fact you need to Root to access most content is also unappealing to the masses, just like Domomojo says.
Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?
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And sorry to say but if i look at Amazon and Newegg i see only a view people buying the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and it get less stars and eggs then the
NVIDIA SHIELD, and that IS bad for business.
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Don't be hating on @AmigaWolf, he's just particular about his devices... even as an
Ex-mojo own he's welcome here
BTW, I agree that ZERO Devices Z6C looks very cheap, make sure you buy it from a good place where you can return it
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And thank you for your kind words gwaldo, and yes i was just venting a little bit, but sorry to say the ZERO Devices Z6C does not look more
cheaper then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., because the M.O.J.O. is also only made of plastic, and thats also one thing Mad Catz had to
made different, because it feels and looks cheap.
I Just Need To Vent A Bit

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Mad Catz is in the controller business and has been for decades. I guess they are "embracing" everything. If the "pending demise" is opinion, edit your topic title to reflect that. As it stands now, you are conveying that it is fact, which it is not. You also mention Mojo not hitting the numbers. I am guess you have some insider information and have some sales numbers? Press releases? Anything to actually back up what you are telling people?
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Mad Catz is in the controller business, and has been for decades, but they've never made a private label controller for Amazon's FireTV have they? I'd call that "embracing" the device. I'm sure they hope Amazon sells a billion FireTVs, each one with a pair of controllers. As far as editing my title, I think "Looks like" is qualifier enough. WRT information, everything I know is in the public domain. do your own homework. All that said, I have no reason to want MOJO not to be a commercial success. I just don't think the company has the resources to make it a commercial success. I don't even think they're selling enough units to continue to dedicate manpower to supporting the unit. Time will tell.

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Mad Catz is in the controller business, and has been for decades, but they've never made a private label controller for Amazon's FireTV have they? I'd call that "embracing" the device. I'm sure they hope Amazon sells a billion FireTVs, each one with a pair of controllers. As far as editing my title, I think "Looks like" is qualifier enough. WRT information, everything I know is in the public domain. do your own homework. All that said, I have no reason to want MOJO not to be a commercial success. I just don't think the company has the resources to make it a commercial success. I don't even think they're selling enough units to continue to dedicate manpower to supporting the unit. Time will tell.
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At least you own the device and want it to succeed. Unlike the "other" poster that does not own it and seems to be making his life's mission to dissuade people from purchasing it (and keeps promoting other junk) and to continually whine about why it doesn't have something that >he< wants. It's really getting old now. I love the Mojo and want to contribute to it, but it might not be in these forums as there seems to be no control over this idiocy.

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And thank you for your kind words gwaldo, and yes i was just venting a little bit, but sorry to say the ZERO Devices Z6C does not look more
cheaper then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., because the M.O.J.O. is also only made of plastic, and thats also one thing Mad Catz had to
made different, because it feels and looks cheap.
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What's cheap about he mojo? (apart from software issues) it's good quality.. the pics on that device (IMHO) look nasty cheap.. but i'm not one for aesthetics so I don't care what it looks like... but with tech it's sometimes better to pay extra for good tech that out performs the cheaper tech.
An old Ukraine friend once said to me, 'if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it' and 'buy cheap, buy it twice'... stuck with me.
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I love the Mojo and want to contribute to it, but it might not be in these forums as there seems to be no control over this idiocy.
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There's no idiocy.. it's the internet.. embrace free speech (while we have it!).
Don't let the hardcore tech freaks get you down.. I'm a fan of the mojo.. I wrote a bit about it on my site (http://xpcoin.com)
This is the largest forum for the mojo that I know of.. shame it's not bigger but it's niche and not $99.
There will be a turning point when people will want a mojo. Competitors like fireTV , google, cheaper devices all help the mojo because people will compare it... and some will see the advantages to having a better quality unity.
Today most don't, but I see this changing as android evolves and it's users, nvidia is heavily invested in this also.
I dont know if the mojo is a success or failure from MCZ point of view.. but for being among the first 'micro-consoles' and not selling out (ie ouya's nasty controller), it's ahead of the pack.. and positioned for the future (K1 etc)

gwaldo said:
What's cheap about he mojo? (apart from software issues) it's good quality.. the pics on that device (IMHO) look nasty cheap.. but i'm not one for aesthetics so I don't care what it looks like... but with tech it's sometimes better to pay extra for good tech that out performs the cheaper tech.
An old Ukraine friend once said to me, 'if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it' and 'buy cheap, buy it twice'... stuck with me.
There's no idiocy.. it's the internet.. embrace free speech (while we have it!).
Don't let the hardcore tech freaks get you down.. I'm a fan of the mojo.. I wrote a bit about it on my site (http://xpcoin.com)
This is the largest forum for the mojo that I know of.. shame it's not bigger but it's niche and not $99.
There will be a turning point when people will want a mojo. Competitors like fireTV , google, cheaper devices all help the mojo because people will compare it... and some will see the advantages to having a better quality unity.
Today most don't, but I see this changing as android evolves and it's users, nvidia is heavily invested in this also.
I dont know if the mojo is a success or failure from MCZ point of view.. but for being among the first 'micro-consoles' and not selling out (ie ouya's nasty controller), it's ahead of the pack.. and positioned for the future (K1 etc)
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No worries at all. I laugh at people like this doof. The sad part is that he knows deep down that the Mojo is the best set top box available currently, but he had issues and was not able to obtain another one. Now, the Shield and the Mali, and the Rockchip, and the...whatever is what he is trying to sell to the public to try to dissuade them from getting the device that he deep down really wants to own. I can read between the lines AmigaWolf. I know you want the Mojo but can't obtain it now. I am sorry for your loss. You will get it again, you just need to save up a little bit.

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No worries at all. I laugh at people like this doof. The sad part is that he knows deep down that the Mojo is the best set top box available currently, but he had issues and was not able to obtain another one. Now, the Shield and the Mali, and the Rockchip, and the...whatever is what he is trying to sell to the public to try to dissuade them from getting the device that he deep down really wants to own. I can read between the lines AmigaWolf. I know you want the Mojo but can't obtain it now. I am sorry for your loss. You will get it again, you just need to save up a little bit.
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I know it's hard to hear the truth, i feel for you i really do.

Amazon announces the Fire TV Stick

Amazon has announced the Fire TV Stick this morning. It is capable of the full Fire TV experience. It's $39, but for 2 days only Prime members can pre-order it for $19. It has 1GB RAM, 8GB storage, a dual-core processor, and dual band MIMO wifi.
It comes with a basic remote that doesn't support voice search, although it is compatible with both the voice remote and game controller. There is no ethernet or optical audio. It cannot be powered through HDMI, so it needs external power.
Here is a comparison chart.

Since xmas is coming...
This could be a too much of a wish, but I was wondering sth:
I have a Motorola Lapdock and I see people use that device with the andorid TV sticks together as a portable laptop/tablet kinda device. I was looking for those sticks but most of them have bad reviews and outdated hardware for today. Amazon's fire stick make me excited, because the very first thing come to my mind, hacking this stick, install an android OS and use with Motorola Lapdock as a portable laptop.
I wonder such thing would be possible with this device. I ordered 2 with this great introduction price, and I am waiting to hear from you if such wish would become true?!?!?!
(santa hear me!)

What's the chance of being able to sideload apps, install Google Play Store, root it, etc?

I ordered one and may order more (even at $40) to replace a couple of ATV2s around the house which are running XBMC. My main hope is for MHL/HDMI-CEC control allowing for at least basic control through the TV remote... otherwise I won't be buying more than the one because I use Harmony remotes in pretty much every room in the house and won't allow the addition of something like LIRC or other IR receivers like the full Fire TV does. Even if I can't sideload full XBMC, I'll be fine running SPMC which is already free in the Fire TV section of the Amazon App Store, or even PLEX as a worst-case as it's already confirmed for the Fire TV Stick.

Would live something like this where i can simply install openelec and boot straight into xbmc.
Also looks like this is only for USA members which sucks lol. I have amazon prime but UK

Pre-ordered. I hope I can get XBMC on it

just ordered 2, $40 is a steal for two of them!! This will look good right next to my FireTv, Ouya, Mojo, chromecast and nexus player.....wait how many ports does my TV have?!?! lol

I would order a few of these if they would ship to Canada but unfortunately they don't. I even have a US prime membership. If anyone would be willing to ship me a couple please PM me. I'll pay for shipping, etc. no problem. I would really like to get in on the 19$ deal they have on right now.

For what its worth, it does run on android. Exactly the same as the Fire TV does apparently.
This is from their Dev Channel: https://developer.amazon.com/public...-in-the-Living-Room-with-Amazon-Fire-TV-Stick

Can this mirror my android screen without wifi present? or with a wifi router that has no internet?
I work at a fire station which has no internet, i have a data signal on my cell phone, but im not leaving my cell phone there when im not there. So can you connect an android device directly or if I have a spare router plugged in but not connected to anything? Or send videos from my GS5 to it?
Thanks!

I don't see it say that you have access to the App Store...do we have any confirmation that you can download/sideload apps to it? That one feature will make this either a great deal or just a good one.

I don't see it say that you have access to the App Store...do we have any confirmation that you can download/sideload apps to it? That one feature will make this either a great deal or just a good one.
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Id imagine it has some sort of app store as they mention gaming (200ish games) and i cant imagine they preloaded 200 games onto it with 8GB storage total.
I just ordered 2 @ $40 as well. Might even replace my Vizio Co-Star with one if it works well. Ashame the remote doesnt allow voice control but at $20 for the device and remote i wont complain. Also impressed this is stand alone unlike the Chromecast. Looks like my expected delivery isnt until Dec 10th though, almost a month after release

I just ordered one. Probably end up being a waste of money, I'm hopeful that Google Android TV will be better than FireTV in which case I'll swap out my current Roku/FTV boxes for GATV boxes, but for $20 I figured why not...
edit: My assumption is they are the same OS/functionality as the original Fire TV boxes, just lower hardware specs. If you can run something on the FTV you should be able to run it on the FTV streamer, possible performance issues aside. If you can side-load it on the FTV, you should be able to side-load it on the FTV steamer.

Maybe they add usb mass storage support to the fire tv now as there are not a lot of reasons to buy the fire tv instead of the new stick...

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Id imagine it has some sort of app store as they mention gaming (200ish games) and i cant imagine they preloaded 200 games onto it with 8GB storage total.
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200 games isn't a lot. It sounds like a reduced library App store.
I guess my line in the sand is whether we can get XBMC/SPMC on it, or not. I tried streaming from my desktop to the Chromecast before, and the latency was no bueno. I couldn't even watch it. Adb/sideloading function would make this thing scream.

My mother in law just picked up 1 for herself and one for me. Can't beat $20 a piece. Hopefully XBMC won't be a problem on the latest firmware.

BonezMontana said:
My mother in law just picked up 1 for herself and one for me. Can't beat $20 a piece. Hopefully XBMC won't be a problem on the latest firmware.
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Yeah, no kidding. I wish that we knew this before I plunked down my $20 though.

spyder3 said:
Yeah, no kidding. I wish that we knew this before I plunked down my $20 though.
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I bought it even tho I don't need it. $20 isn't anything tbh

spyder3 said:
Yeah, no kidding. I wish that we knew this before I plunked down my $20 though.
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I'll take my chances anyways though because I don't watch tv in the bedroom anyways unless I'm sick lol. I was gonna get the playstation tv until i heard the ps4 streaming sucks. So the roku stick was an alternative, since I have 2 of them in my kids rooms. I just wish I had the knowledge to unlock this thing lol. In regards to XBMC though I'm getting confused as I see that some users were able to get it to work by disabling some setting.

superkoal said:
Maybe they add usb mass storage support to the fire tv now as there are not a lot of reasons to buy the fire tv instead of the new stick...
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Would be nice if they add usb storage to the FTV, that's my number one complaint. However, think of the FTV streaming stick like the Roku streaming stick. Cheaper, smaller, lower power cpu, no lan, and in the case of FTV no optical out. If our (my) assumptions about the FTV stick are correct, it will be a better option for a lot of people.

Buyer's remorse?

Hey everybody.
I've been using media streamers for a bit.
Started with a Chromecast, then Amazon Fire stick and now with a Nexus Player.
Previous streamers felt limited but the nexus player felt better.
Now I've been thinking about upgrading to a Apple TV 4 or a Nvidia Shield tv.
My question is: Do you guys feel remorse of having bought this?
Performance aside is a bit expensive compared to other boxes.
I have a pc with a GTX970 and I was thinking maybe this will work to stream some games to my living room.
Another thing, how far away from a Shield TV 2 are we? This will surely have a price a drop when they announce the second gen, although while there is no much competition I think Nvidia will sit a bit.

You've had plenty of views but no replies...so I'll chip in lol
Do I regret buying one....no. The only thing that bothers me is how spartan the app store is for Android TV, obviously this can change in the future. If you already have a Nexus then you're already using Android TV. Is it expensive? Considering the price of the Fire TV gaming bundle...I actually think the 16GB model is priced well. I got the Nvidia remote free when I bought mine, you've literally just missed a promotion to get an extra controller. Perhaps you'd rather wait for another promotion before purchasing to get the most for your money. Buying the 16GB model and upgrading the storage via MicroSD or USB HDD would make the most sense rather than the expensive Pro model with 500GB.
Yes you can gamestream from your PC, this feature is under the SHIELD HUB...you could also try installing Moonlight which might offer slightly better performance. I've tried the Geforce NOW service and the games do play quite well to be fair. Although I will say for best results forget about wifi and hard wire the SHIELD to the router...even if you have to buy some inexpensive homeplug network adapters.
What I have done is install SPMC (KODI). I have customised it to work as a homescreen/dashboard essentially, it auto starts when I power on. This way I can set shortcuts to what I want...my retro arcade (Hyperspin), Shield Hub, Remote Play (PS4), Netflix, Radio, my movie and music collection on my home PC...you get the picture
I have no idea what Nvidia are planning. Although I would guess that we would see the Shield Tablet updated before we see a new SHIELD TV. The tablet still uses Kepler tech...the Shield TV is Maxwell. If there was a new SHIELD TV it would surely be based on Pascal

Do It
I was actually reconsidering the same like you also the apple tv.
Now I'm happy i choose the Shield! Nvidia allows you to unlock the bootloader and root the system without losing warranty, which is a great thing.
I wasn't happy with the Leanback launcher as there is a lot of stuff i don't like and the apps i installed via APK and Aptoide TV didn't show up (only with help of the sideload launcher).
So i rooted it and set a differnt launcher as default! now it is really great! I have adaway, Firefox with several adons and kodi with husham wizard!
The box is extremly fast! I have a logitech usbe mouse and keyboard connected and the box also works with my logitech universal remote.
Alsow with marshmello (shiled os 3.1) you can add a microsd with up to 128 GB to expand the internal storage!
I found an amazing app called "AirPlay/DLNA Receiver (PRO)" that you can use to mirror your tablet/mobile phone screen beside the standard YouTube casting
The only thing i'm not happy with is that it doesn't have a optical/coax audio output.
The apple tv is for sure much more limited and has by far not the game performance of the shield!

extra controller w/purchase @ gamestop. i do not know when the promotion ends, but as of this morning...its still there!

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I wasn't happy with the Leanback launcher as there is a lot of stuff i don't like and the apps i installed via APK and Aptoide TV didn't show up (only with help of the sideload launcher).
So i rooted it and set a differnt launcher as default! now it is really great!
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doe the controllers still work when you root? I Heard some about trouble with that.

Pion33r said:
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I wasn't happy with the Leanback launcher as there is a lot of stuff i don't like and the apps i installed via APK and Aptoide TV didn't show up (only with help of the sideload launcher). So i rooted it and set a differnt launcher as default! now it is really great! I have adaway, Firefox with several adons and kodi with husham wizard!
Maybe try SPMC, it's a fork of KODI. It's being developed with the SHIELD in mind. Unlike KODI, you can actually launch android apps from within SPMC (so you don't really need sideload launcher). It also integrates with the leanback launcher, providing recommendations from SPMC. Voice search from the launcher will also have links to your SPMC library. The voice feature also works with the keyboard in SPMC, so you can speak rather than type in the search box
I found an amazing app called "AirPlay/DLNA Receiver (PRO)" that you can use to mirror your tablet/mobile phone screen beside the standard YouTube casting
Airplay is for Apple devices, the SHIELD natively casts from android devices. I don't buy Apple stuff, so I've never tried it but KODI/SPMC has Airplay built in...just turn it on in the services. I'm glad to hear you're happy with the device...I always enjoy seeing the different ways people set them up and use them!
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foomanjackel said:
extra controller w/purchase @ gamestop. i do not know when the promotion ends, but as of this morning...its still there!
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Here in the UK that promotion ended on the 1st of May. If it's still available to you guys "across the pond"...that's great! Good looking out
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doe the controllers still work when you root? I Heard some about trouble with that.
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I haven't rooted my SHIELD. I could be wrong but I think the controller issues were more to do with people flashing a different ROM after rooting...the SHIELD game pad would need to be wired for example, although that may have changed by now. As we are talking about game pads. One of the reasons root would appeal to me, is that it's required for the Sixaxis app. This app will allow the DS4 pad to connect via bluetooth (lag free), as I have the Remote Play app installed this would be nice.
My phone is rooted with a custom ROM and recovery. I don't really feel that I need say an Adblocker on the SHIELD TV to be fair. Of course there are plenty of other good reasons to root the device. In fairness I am at a point now where I know how I want the devices to be, so the thought of wiping it and doing it over "properly" is getting more appealing. Rooting would help me fix a few niggling things...for example I really would like to be able to manually add the MAME 2014 core to Retroarch, I need this core for my Retro Arcade but the buildbot for Retroarch won't add it currently.
Wish you all the best playing with your devices

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doe the controllers still work when you root? I Heard some about trouble with that.
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No trouble at all. I'm on the latest version of Shield os (3.1 Marshmello). What i relly love is that now i can even use Titanium backup
Next step - Xposed

foomanjackel said:
extra controller w/purchase @ gamestop. i do not know when the promotion ends, but as of this morning...its still there!
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i actually bought mine @ gamestop in my town about 3 weeks ago. it is the 16gb version w/one controller included.... returned it today for a full refund (they put the amount on a gift card) and have just re-ordered the same unit from their website where it is the same price but now includes 2 controllers. used the gift card as payment and am just paying the shipping fee. should have the new one in a few days.

The controller works fine if you root. However, if you install a custom ROM, you will need to connect the controller to the Shield with a micro-USB cable.
The only real problem I have with the Shield is that Android TV is not nearly as capable as full Android.

Thanks a lot guys.
Hopefully I can sell my nexus player with my x360 pad on it and recoup some money for the shield tv.

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extra controller w/purchase @ gamestop. i do not know when the promotion ends, but as of this morning...its still there!
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Is that online?
Share a link please.

Silenus21 said:
Is that online?
Share a link please.
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Yes, online only. Bought mine in store 3 weeks ago with one controller. Returned yesterday for full refund which they put on a gift card. Used gift card at home to purchase online w/the extra controller. I'll be without unit for a few days while waiting for the new one, but I dont mind the wait if I can get a unit with the extra $60 controller
http://m.gamestop.com/browse/search?searchTerm=Nvidia

Thanks.
But sucks they don't take my paypal from outside USA.
And they are expensive on Ebay.
Wait, Amazon has it with the second controller for 200.
http://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-SHIELD...d=1463060240&sr=8-1&keywords=nvidia+shield+tv

Silenus21 said:
Thanks.
But sucks they don't take my paypal from outside USA.
And they are expensive on Ebay.
Wait, Amazon has it with the second controller for 200.
http://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-SHIELD...d=1463060240&sr=8-1&keywords=nvidia+shield+tv
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Great!! :good:

Using the 16gb model on my Sony Bravia TV with matching home theater setup with TV remote function with all shield apps including Kodi.
Missed out on free remote offer but pleasantly surprised that original TV remote gives me full functionality and more.
My only regret is that I didn't get it sooner. [emoji13]
My roku3 is collecting dust big time.
Have not subscribed to cable since 2010. Before shield was running MK-908 and was happy with setup, but the shield blows everything else out of the water.
Pp.
sent from my stone/stock S6e using microwave technology.

Yes I love mine the only thing I dislike is I bought the Pro model and you don't have full access to the HD unless you do some skull doggery. If it were easy to put a SSD in it and actually be able to hook it up to my pc that thing would be totally awesome 10/10 but alas you can't. I say get the 16GB model and go from there.

Thanks guys, got mine today.
Now to read some guides on rooting this thing.

Silenus21 said:
Thanks guys, got mine today.
Now to read some guides on rooting this thing.
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fairly simple guide here:
http://nvidiashieldzone.com/shield-android-tv/nvidia-shield-tv-16gb-root-m/
* be sure to have a usb mouse ready....you'll need it to make the "swipe to flash" when you are in TWRP. i tried a keyboard (with trackpad), the remote and even the phone app....but only the mouse would work for that step.

Thanks.
Rooted it yesterday.
Only having trouble setting up Dolphin, can't configure the shield controller and can't find an ini online.

I bought my shield to run as a Plex server because all Plex could talk about was "Shield is THE server..." It's not until you get it running that you learn that is cannot do a lot of things that my PC server handles easily. Then you find out that there's no Music Plus and missing transcoders and, btw, I hope you still have that PC because you will need it to manage your Shield Plex Server and migrate your media. Oh, and wait until you learn about file sharing with the Shield...allow yourself a little time! The punchline is that performance is tame. I do not serve 4K media, but 1080p was great from the PC that runs as a vm with 4GB.
And I made the mistake of tossing an extra remote and the (very cool and expensive) stand in my cart.
Oh well. I really need to start playing games.