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Some small comfort in regards to 5.0

So I like many of you have been jonesing for some sweet lollipop action. It's frustrating to have a top end device and to have to wait. But for those of you who have not had the opportunity to play with lollipop let me just tell you, it ain't ready for prime time. I was excited to get it on my nvidia shield tablet, and in the end unlocked the bootloader and went backt to 4.2 because it was so buggy. I know the user experience varies some from device to device, and the new features are cool. But it will be much better to get our droids updated with a solid release, esp. since we won't have the option to turn back the clock with our locked boot loaders. I know it's not what most want to hear, but It's made me a lot more patient with regards to our Turbos getting updated.

RhinoL said:
So I like many of you have been jonesing for some sweet lollipop action. It's frustrating to have a top end device and to have to wait. But for those of you who have not had the opportunity to play with lollipop let me just tell you, it ain't ready for prime time. I was excited to get it on my nvidia shield tablet, and in the end unlocked the bootloader and went backt to 4.2 because it was so buggy. I know the user experience varies some from device to device, and the new features are cool. But it will be much better to get our droids updated with a solid release, esp. since we won't have the option to turn back the clock with our locked boot loaders. I know it's not what most want to hear, but It's made me a lot more patient with regards to our Turbos getting updated.
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I keep seeing people saying things like this. I came from a nexus 5 with lollipop and never had any issues. 5.0 is a stable release. What was "buggy" for you?

For the nvidia shield, it just dogged down the tablet. Chrome froze often in browsing situations, FB had a major memory leak problem, and as a whole the tablet just slowed down and began to hang frequently. I factory reset after the OTA and was running totally stock and it down graded the user experience significantly. Many others reported very similar experiences on that device. I just read today they've released a 5.0.1 update, so I'm definately going to watch that closely because lollipop is definately cool. Esp. the smart lock, screen pinning, and new material design look. But it is all pretty useless if it dogs your hardware. I'm sure they will get it fixed, but all I'm saying is I'd rather have it running right on the turbo, than running like it was on the nvidia shield, esp. since our turbos are locked down and their is no way going back.

Nvidia shield has an Nvidia processor, this is the problem

I put lolliop on my nexus 7(2012) and i was amazed at the improvrment. Seemed like it freed up memory and it was buttery snooth. My only complant would be the white backgrounds and keyboards. Haven't seen it on phone yet. Can't wait

I also saw a lot of bugs on both a moto g 2014 and the nexus 6. There are always people who do not have the same experiences, but for me it was nowhere near what I consider stable.

Still no issues on the 2013 nexus 7 or 1st gen moto g. I also don't see the point of these "keep calm" threads. It's about as useful as the "unlock our bootloader" threads

Razorbacktrack5535 said:
Nvidia shield has an Nvidia processor, this is the problem
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I have the Shield Tablet and see the lollipop upgrade as awesome. It is the fastest tablet available besides the Nexus 9 in some cases. Lollipop is definite improvement over KitKat in every way.
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djbling said:
I put lolliop on my nexus 7(2012) and i was amazed at the improvrment. Seemed like it freed up memory and it was buttery snooth. My only complant would be the white backgrounds and keyboards. Haven't seen it on phone yet. Can't wait
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wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.

daweim0 said:
wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.
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5.0 was really slow, now 5.0.2 has fixed that and its better than kitkat for me.

5.0...0.1 and 0.2 were all smooth on my Nexus 7 (2013LTE) No issues so far. Occasional bootloop with am unstable CM build..but stock 5.0 no issues. Smooth as silk.. Better battery life for me as well..Very happy indeed..
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daweim0 said:
wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.
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Garbage NAND, a known issue slightly patched. That was the curse of the 2012 N7.
OTAs always break root. You shoul have known. Reroot it, its not a big deal.

Can we talk about how crappy lollipop's memory management is

I love everything about lollipop except one thing, the memory manager. it's way too aggressive and is keeping way too much memory free. i'm getting constant home screen redraws, app closures (especially music related apps).
on 4.4.4 i was seeing about 200mb of free memory which seemed to work just fine. lollipop is keeping no less then 500mb free!!! why did they set the free memory so high? it's closing apps to free up memory that's never getting used!!
Is this a google problem or is this something motorola messed up?

I agree, not sure what Motorola was thinking(or possibly google) but when I unlock my phone and get a black screen for a second before it redraws the home screen I'm not too impressed. It doesn't always happen though and so far I can't pin down what might be causing it.

It's Google's fault. They botched up RAM management. However, I read that the supposed upcoming 5.0.2 update for this device has it fixed
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It's google. Lollipop sucks no matter what device it's on.

It honestly drove me so ****ing insane I sold my Moto X and bought an iPhone after buying every Nexus since the Nexus One. 5.0 is hot garbage, and the only phone that got a timely fix was the Nexus 6, and I don't want a phone that large.

Yup. I have a verizon moto x and right now its the worst phone I've ever owned because of this lollipop nonsense. Its a laggy mess, constant redraws, i can't listen to podcasts while doing anything else because it'll kill playback. I'm praying for root, otherwise I may have to just sell the phone. So disappointing.

MSigler said:
It honestly drove me so ****ing insane I sold my Moto X and bought an iPhone after buying every Nexus since the Nexus One. 5.0 is hot garbage, and the only phone that got a timely fix was the Nexus 6, and I don't want a phone that large.
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so they fixed it on nexus 6?

Legacystar said:
I love everything about lollipop except one thing, the memory manager. it's way too aggressive and is keeping way too much memory free. i'm getting constant home screen redraws, app closures (especially music related apps).
on 4.4.4 i was seeing about 200mb of free memory which seemed to work just fine. lollipop is keeping no less then 500mb free!!! why did they set the free memory so high? it's closing apps to free up memory that's never getting used!!
Is this a google problem or is this something motorola messed up?
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It is Lollipop 5.0. I have noticed it mainly with an app called Javelin, it is a browser that has a bubble that hovers and collects all the links you open in other apps. The bubble constantly closes after little time. This did not happen at all on my Nexus 4 with 5.0.2. So I guess it is a bug and Im hoping they have fixed it by that version.

MSigler said:
It honestly drove me so ****ing insane I sold my Moto X and bought an iPhone after buying every Nexus since the Nexus One. 5.0 is hot garbage, and the only phone that got a timely fix was the Nexus 6, and I don't want a phone that large.
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Why don't you go complain in the apple forums then and leave the android enthusiasts alone.
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Google has already addressed this and its supposed to be fixed in the upcoming 5.1 update due in Feb.

Thank God. That means the verizon update shouldn't be too far off. I really want to love this phone. Had the previous moto x unlocked through the Chinese middleman and jumped on moto maker when the 2014 came out. But jeez Lollipop killed it. Can't wait for this update!
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TokedUp said:
Google has already addressed this and its supposed to be fixed in the upcoming 5.1 update due in Feb.
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Do you mind linking to your source, I'd like to read about the changes

I read a post by a Moto employee on G+ which stated their new builds of 5.0.2 include the memory management bug fix so no need to wait for 5.1, as soon as 5.0.2 rolls out the memory issues should be resolved. I don't have a link to the post but it was deep in his thread stating that the 5.0.2 OTA was in soak testing and to begin deployment "soon".

I only want the memory management to stop killing the attentive display after a few days, requiring a reboot to properly work again.

Just thought I'd post my agreement with what a nightmare LP is on this device. Great hardware, but as audio won't play for more than a few minutes without stopping, I rarely use the phone.

dpw2atox said:
I read a post by a Moto employee on G+ which stated their new builds of 5.0.2 include the memory management bug fix so no need to wait for 5.1, as soon as 5.0.2 rolls out the memory issues should be resolved. I don't have a link to the post but it was deep in his thread stating that the 5.0.2 OTA was in soak testing and to begin deployment "soon".
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Wow 5.0.2 in test? I have been looking for ANYTHING related to that and nothing came up at all. Memory management for 5.0 is crap indeed but I did see that 5.0.2 had it minimized (not properly fixed). Not perfect but better than it is right now. I did take some basic precautions, such as not installing the most memory hungry ones (looking at you facebook and twitter) and have been ablw to live with it so far

I was part of the 5.0 soak test so here's to hoping I get in on the 5.0.2 test

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Wow 5.0.2 in test? I have been looking for ANYTHING related to that and nothing came up at all. Memory management for 5.0 is crap indeed but I did see that 5.0.2 had it minimized (not properly fixed). Not perfect but better than it is right now. I did take some basic precautions, such as not installing the most memory hungry ones (looking at you facebook and twitter) and have been ablw to live with it so far
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Here's a link https://plus.google.com/110587026141482969464/posts/cSmnePt6zpP
You will also have to read through the comments that the memory management bug has been fixed. Just do a find for "code.google" when viewing the comments in a browser. If you're viewing in the app, it should be near the top
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Hopefully they've fixed the horrendous standby battery drain in this too. I haven't noticed the memory management as i don't have many apps installed so i always have nearly a GB of free RAM, but the battery life is bad!

M3drvr said:
Hopefully they've fixed the horrendous standby battery drain in this too. I haven't noticed the memory management as i don't have many apps installed so i always have nearly a GB of free RAM, but the battery life is bad!
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Standby drain has been 2-3% per hour overnight in my usage. My Galaxy Nexus did less than 1% on 4.3 and it's not an app misbehaving. My only real gripe about lollipop.

[MotoMaxx] Lollipop Soak Test Impressions

Please dont ask where to get it or if you are from soak or not we have plenty of threads asking that, just opinions please.
Hi guys, i wanted to know how do you feel this pre-release of lollipop, so far i just installed it and had no problem with it. seems smooth not a single error.
some guys says the drain battery issue was fixed, but i have to see for myself, so how is your experience so far?

Jaocagomez said:
Please dont ask where to get it or if you are from soak or not we have plenty of threads asking that, just opinions please.
Hi guys, i wanted to know how do you feel this pre-release of lollipop, so far i just installed it and had no problem with it. seems smooth not a single error.
some guys says the drain battery issue was fixed, but i have to see for myself, so how is your experience so far?
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Working great so far for me. Had a little bit of lag that went away as soon as I did a factory days reset. Can't comment on standby battery life since I have been pounding this thing all day. But → now I am at 41% with 4 hours and 23 minutes of screen time.
I do have an issue with Nokia's Here navigation app, but it may be that it is not lollipop compatible. Have not dug around to see if that is the case.
All in all, this is a very solid release, and I will probably stick with it. At least until custom roms start coming out for moto maxx.

Any camera improvements?
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poncespr said:
Working great so far for me. Had a little bit of lag that went away as soon as I did a factory days reset. Can't comment on standby battery life since I have been pounding this thing all day. But → now I am at 41% with 4 hours and 23 minutes of screen time.
I do have an issue with Nokia's Here navigation app, but it may be that it is not lollipop compatible. Have not dug around to see if that is the case.
All in all, this is a very solid release, and I will probably stick with it. At least until custom roms start coming out for moto maxx.
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specific app problems should be addressed by their respective creator, its the app fault to not be ready for lollipop
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Any camera improvements?
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yes i've seen focus improvements
also the low speaker volume seems fixed on ringtone speaker as well in-call speaker.

I get like 2 or 3 freezes a day, phone becomes totally unresponsive for 10 seconds or so.
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All devices than get lollipop is better have factory reset for good perfomance

Am i having one of them, whatchamacallit, placebo effect, or has the bluetooth streaming quality improved.?
I think my music sounds better.
Any one else?
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Bluetooth music streaming seems to drop or pause for a second every few minutes
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Turning bluetooth off and then back on seems to have solved the issue so far.

it take it 4% in one night in stanby
battery seems the same to me.
have some lags and some freezing too for 30 seconds -1 minute
hope Moto will solve this problems

Did you guys clean installed? Because I did, I cleared user data and cache

For those with the freezing/stuttering/lag issues, did you perform a factory data reset prior to installing the OTA?

poncespr said:
All in all, this is a very solid release, and I will probably stick with it. At least until custom roms start coming out for moto maxx.
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Or Lolllipop version of Gravity Box that will soon hit, now that Xposed has been recoded for ART/Lollipop. Gravity Box dev says it's coming soon.

Jaocagomez said:
Did you guys clean installed? Because I did, I cleared user data and cache
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I did a factory data reset after installing. That took care mostly of the lag, but i keep having bluetooth issues.
Sometimes streaming music pauses on my Bluetooth music speaker, and it drops the connection on my stereo
headset. Things that do not happen with my older phones.
In all fairness, it could be because of the hybrid Brazil/Puerto Rico thing, but honestly, I don't think so as I was already having
Bluetooth issues before. Plus, everything else is working great. Signal is rock solid and I get LTE with no problems at all.
May have a defective phone.
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Or Lolllipop version of Gravity Box that will soon hit, now that Xposed has been recoded for ART/Lollipop. Gravity Box dev says it's coming soon.
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Yes. I actually did not miss custom roms on kitkat with gravity box.
I hope they iron out the kinks soon!

Which version did they push? 5.0,.01, or .02?

.02

good so far
I haven't found any bug. I see volumen calls, screen brigthness, battery life improvement.
Everything runs smooth. Now i see the diference between my droid maxx and this.
47hrs.

some bugs i've noticed so far:
Sometimes when connected on a wifi network, disconnects and reconnects again, this didnt happen on kitkat, happens randomly
When listening to google play music and then receive a notification the music doesn't resume again, you have to click pause and play to resume to playing the song.

My impressions are great!! I did a full convert to BRZ firmware from PR Moto Maxx flashed every file, full wiped in fastboot, then did the OTA zip. So far it has been amazing, specially smoothness and battery life!!
Of course, im rooted and running Greenify, plus froze unnecessary stuff. (I dont use none of the moto stuff)

If you upgraded and having performance issue with stuttering and lags, I highly recommend performing a factory reset. I did mine through recovery and wiped Data & Cache.
That made a massive difference.

I have an wifi issue, it's not turning on at all. On 4.4 it's working fine, even on BR firmware (my phone is PR). Is Anybody met this?

prking07 said:
My impressions are great!! I did a full convert to BRZ firmware from PR Moto Maxx flashed every file, full wiped in fastboot, then did the OTA zip. So far it has been amazing, specially smoothness and battery life!!
Of course, im rooted and running Greenify, plus froze unnecessary stuff. (I dont use none of the moto stuff)
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When you say "flashed every file" do you mean just the system image files in the OP of the lollipop install thread or do you literally mean every file (I.e. bootloader, radio, etc)? I've been wanting to go this route of converting my PR Maxx to Brazilian retail 100% as well by flashing all the files.
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Performance update on it's way!

http://androidandme.com/2015/07/new...-3-getting-performance-update-in-coming-days/

Nice. Hope it's a new update and not the one that some people have gotten.
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Sweet!!! Thanks for the news. I wonder what updates will be made to the camera.

Giu didn't mention a source or anything. Just "that we received word" so I am still a little cynical at this point.
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2nd story about update
More info:
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=16092
http://www.talkandroid.com/255569-alcatel-onetouch-idol-3-update-rolling-out-over-the-next-few-days/
Multiple sources makes it seem more legit to me.

this is great news well its not what we expected to be 5.1 update but its something im glad alcatel has actually listened to us especially through that Email that was sent last month hopefully in mind they should release the source code soon or someone to capture the OTA and extract it

gecko702 said:
this is great news well its not what we expected to be 5.1 update but its something im glad alcatel has actually listened to us especially through that Email that was sent last month hopefully in mind they should release the source code soon or someone to capture the OTA and extract it
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As mentioned in the root or update thread, the OTA updates contain only patches to the binary code and not full source. It'll have to come from Alcatel.

well they sure are taking their sweet time pushing it out, its not hitting mine yet.
how many possible users could they be going out to afterall? its not like this phone went mainstream...

mk3 said:
well they sure are taking their sweet time pushing it out, its not hitting mine yet.
how many possible users could they be going out to afterall? its not like this phone went mainstream...
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It's slowly making its way mainstream. It should release this week. I hope it's not one of those updates that break something when trying to do good.

Already had the update last week and the performance is much better now!

Looks like an update is rolling out right now, dated today the 13th....still 5.0.2 unfortunately

Yup - installing right now. Still 5.0.2 ..

Installing right now

After the update try to clear all all opening apps, you will mention that it's without any lag or stutter

usmcnyc said:
Looks like an update is rolling out right now, dated today the 13th....still 5.0.2 unfortunately
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Yup - installing right now. Still 5.0.2 ..
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Installing right now
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what version of firmware? 5.0.2-01003?
Thk!!

DonnieDoezoe said:
After the update try to clear all all opening apps, you will mention that it's without any lag or stutter
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I am not sure if it is just me - but at least this part is NOT fixed. clearing open apps still has the same stutter that it had before. I restored the animation scale back to 1x and that has not changed anything. Maybe that is how it is supposed to be.
The app launching appears to have improved *slightly* . Whether double tap is more reliable remains to be seen. The update did not reset my launcher setting i.e. it did not revert to the stock launcher .
Overall - so far , I am not seeing anything worth getting too excited about - Not so far at least.
BTW - just to confirm - I now have Android version = 5.0.2 Kernel version = 3.10.49 Build number = 7SQR-UER0

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I am not sure if it is just me - but at least this part is NOT fixed. clearing open apps still has the same stutter that it had before. I restored the animation scale back to 1x and that has not changed anything. Maybe that is how it is supposed to be.
The app launching appears to have improved *slightly* . Whether double tap is more reliable remains to be seen. The update did not reset my launcher setting i.e. it did not revert to the stock launcher .
Overall - so far , I am not seeing anything worth getting too excited about - Not so far at least.
BTW - just to confirm - I now have Android version = 5.0.2 Kernel version = 3.10.49 Build number = 7SQR-UER0
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Same here, not too much difference noted with this update. Anyone know if Alcatel includes a changelog someplace with these updates?

I feel differently. This update, so far, is great. The lag I had previously is nearly gone and installing apps is much much faster. DTTW has worked everytime (only tried about 7-8 times so far) unlike previously when it hardly ever worked. I don't notice anything different on the camera but I've only played with it for a short period. I've not used this phone as a daily driver since I got it in May because of the user experience, it just lagged and I hate lag - especially compared to my LG G2. Today however, I put my sim card in and will give it a true test, being the daily driver.
I was going to return it initially but held onto it waiting for an update and glad I did. I simply couldn't understand why this phone was not at least as fast (or faster) than my LG G Pro Or HTC One M7 since both of them are running the Snapdragon 600 (vs 615) and slower GPU. Plus both are also running pretty heavy skins yet both were way faster/smoother than the Idol 3. It had to be software and optimization which seems to be what this update addresses. The screen and speakers on this phone are to die for and I'm glad it's now able to be used effectively. I may think differently in a day or so after a real world test but for now I'm excited about this little guy.

I just got the update this morning, and my initial reaction is pretty good. The phone just feels snappier overall. The notification shade seems to come down very smooth all the time now. Previously, when the keyboard was open, the notification shade would drop a lot of frames when you pulled it down. The camera seems to be doing a better job of getting the correct point of focus too. Also, double tap to wake actually works now! This is huge for me because it only worked about once out of ten tries for me before. I'm happy.
Edit: I'm also seeing about 1.5GB of extra free storage. I wonder if the phone wasn't properly moving apps to the sd card before. I have about 12 games installed, and I have them all moved to the sd card.
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Looks like you guys had the update we got last week in europe. It runs much better , cleaning apps doesn't lag anymore and everything runs smoother.
For the people still having problems can you confirm you're in 5.0.2-010 03 ?

No new updates to the Note3

So looks like the Note 3 wont get another update. For us ATT folks were stuck on 5.0.
http://www.ibtimes.com/android-60-marshmallow-list-samsung-lg-motorola-sony-htc-xiaomi-asus-smartphones-2128354

Nothing new. Samsung and all other android phone makers have horrible records in keeping their phone updated. I can still run IOS 9.1 beta on my ipad2 which is two years old. Next phone will be either Motorola or Nexus.

Looks like it's off to the 6P I go in a couple months.
This does not rule out a pity update to 5.0.2 or 5.1.1 however.

That's okay. I wasn't too happy with Lollipop. I'll stick with Kit Kat.

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That's okay. I wasn't too happy with Lollipop. I'll stick with Kit Kat.
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How much time did you give Lollipop? The fist 3-4 days I hated it, battery life sucked and I was constantly chasing apps that were killing it. Now I absolutely love Lollipop...better battery life than KK, connects to "screen mirroring" and chromecast instantly, stable with fluid swipes, solid connections on BT, slightly better RF and voice on calls. I'll ride this out for a while until I have $$$ for another used phone.

cherokee140 said:
How much time did you give Lollipop? The fist 3-4 days I hated it, battery life sucked and I was constantly chasing apps that were killing it. Now I absolutely love Lollipop...better battery life than KK, connects to "screen mirroring" and chromecast instantly, stable with fluid swipes, solid connections on BT, slightly better RF and voice on calls. I'll ride this out for a while until I have $$$ for another used phone.
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Takes a couple of charging cycles to fully settle in. Quicker if you clean install, & have SQLite/fsTRIM set up properly.
There may be a 5.0.2 port with an OC1 base coming in a little while. Don't give up on LP just yet

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takes a couple of charging cycles to fully settle in. Quicker if you clean install, & have sqlite/fstrim set up properly.
There may be a 5.0.2 port with an oc1 base coming in a little while. Don't give up on lp just yet
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do you guys have any good news for we note 3 users regarding marshmallow update sooner or later or the sammy boy is going to quit us with lollipop, we want 6.0 we want 6.0 we want 6.0 and off course we want 6.0

It was more of the UI feel and a few things specific that I like about Kit Kat over Lollipop.
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