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if your thinking of buying a droid x and rooting it then think again http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/14/droid-x-actually-self-destructs-if-you-try-to-mod-it/ . if you dont care to root it then disregard this. if you try to even root it you will brick it!?!?!? why would they do that????
If you'd rather not support your product if someone else meddles with it, that's totally fine. Void their warranties; don't kill your own product to spite them.
You are not inventors. You are profiteers afraid of people, at home, doing what you do better than you.
And maybe you should be.
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They're using open source software and afraid of the open source community doing what they do better than they do it.
Shame on Moto, good thing I love Htc anyways.
I r n00b.
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Just saw that on reddit. That's nasty..q
Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/
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Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/
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Well if HTC starts doing that, then you can bet Android be screwed over because no one is going to buy them anymore. So the companies that decide to do crap like this are just screwing themselves over.
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Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/
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The same week I buy an iPhone.
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The same week I buy an iPhone.
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That's like trading one jail cell for another.
dam that rly sucks, but im sure they will figure out ways around it
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That's like trading one jail cell for another.
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It is fairly easy to jailbreak an iphone these days... my dad jailbroke his 3gs a few days after he got it and he is the guy who's VCR always flashed 12:00...
It's all fear mongering. It's the same protection as Milestone devices and the Droid. All of them have the OMAP3 eFuse.
Look up Steven Bird's blog (I can't post links yet) he explains it. Said that it's more than likely not to brick the phone. He's got donations up and going now to try and get one to test it himself.
Yup, this FUD has been debunked. Enough with the eFuse DROID X Talk Already
The response from Motorola was that it wouldn't "brick" the phone, but if the efuse was triggered it would render the phone unusable until it was repaired with motorola software. Which pretty much means the folks here at XDA will likely find a way around the efuse without too much trouble
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The response from Motorola was that it wouldn't "brick" the phone, but if the efuse was triggered it would render the phone unusable until it was repaired with motorola software. Which pretty much means the folks here at XDA will likely find a way around the efuse without too much trouble
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I bet someone will leak the "motorola software" just like the RUU's have been leaked from HTC.
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I bet someone will leak the "motorola software" just like the RUU's have been leaked from HTC.
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Or they could, I dunno, download it from Motorola's site. Really, all they're doing is a checksum and giving you the opportunity to flash an RUU if they don't match. No Moto repair required.
Wow Motorola, way to go... u just scared off about 3/4 of u'r customers right there. Talk about BS limiting a user on what he/she is able to load on to HIS/HER own phone. Ridiculous!
It's not FUD. It may not "brick" the phone, but it's another attempt to stop the end user, the person that legally purchased the phone, from tinkering with it. Just as the quote I posted above says, they're not inventors. They are profiteers afraid of people, at home, doing what they do better than them.
My friend and I had this conversation the other day. He stated that Sprint has a right to protect their network and any phone they sell you with a discount for buying a plan. He is correct, to a point. Sprint doesn't want us using our phones for more than they give us (despite claims of "unlimited" data) because they have to protect their profit margins. They also don't want us tinkering with our phones because we, tinkerers, could break them. Insurance doesn't cover "tinkering". Sprint is taking a huge up-front hit by selling us the phone as cheap as they do but they recoup that cost by locking us into 2-year contracts. They need to keep us in those contracts to turn a profit. So, I feel they have a right to protect that until the contract is up.
Or, on the other hand, those that purchase their phones outright, without contracts and without subsidies, should have the right to tinker all they like... including the consequences.
E-fuse, what?
I still don't believe it was FUD because of the reasons I mentioned above, but it was successfully bypassed.
EDIT: The e-fuse wasn't bypassed. They got root, which isn't watched by the e-fuse. Putting a new ROM on the phone would, though. Getting root is a start, though, and should allow them to figure out how the e-fuse works. Then I'm sure they can bypass it. It'll just take some more time.
Droid X Rooted
Like there was any doubt! Devs > Motorola
So... my girlfriend decided to spill water on my Droid 2 and thank god It did not have a battery in. I let it dry for a couple days and everything works perfectly fine but it seems that some liquid seeped into the glass screen and when it dried it left blotches that are covering the screen and annoying.
What I want to know and do is how to permanently brick my droid 2 and if my thought process is right.
Brick the phone, call VZW, get a next day air replacement, send the brick phone back. Everything ok?
Uh, you're thought process is very wrong. And technically that is fraud.
You're a real idiot to post this on a public forum. Especially one as well regarded as XDA developers.
1.) Slap dat hoe you call your girlfriend.
2.) Think about what you're trying to do(does it seem unfair, retarded, or just downright illegal?).
3.) Get the **** off of XDA.
Frauding cheapo.
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What you are talking about IS considered fraud (as stated above), and XDA does not condone fraud. Please seek advice elsewhere. Thank you.
Besides, they can still tell there was water damage. There is a little dot near the sdcard that should be white with red x's. When it comes in contact with water, it turns completely red. If it does, your warrenty is completely void, even if the phone is bricked.
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You're a real idiot to post this on a public forum. Especially one as well regarded as XDA developers.
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Your might be right damn. Guess I should change my name from komputer freek so it does not match my bill when I call them...Wait. They won't know it's me.
timur525 said:
1.) Slap dat hoe you call your girlfriend.
2.) Think about what you're trying to do(does it seem unfair, retarded, or just downright illegal?).
3.) Get the **** off of XDA.
Frauding cheapo.
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Phone still works perfectly fine. Just a blotched screen. Touch screen is 100 percent effective and nothing else is wrong. A cosmetic issue. Your right, hmm paying full retail for a phone does make me cheap.
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What you are talking about IS considered fraud (as stated above), and XDA does not condone fraud. Please seek advice elsewhere. Thank you.
Besides, they can still tell there was water damage. There is a little dot near the sdcard that should be white with red x's. When it comes in contact with water, it turns completely red. If it does, your warrenty is completely void, even if the phone is bricked.
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Installing rom's voids your wArranty too huh? But anyway, never got to the dot that shows water damage.
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Uh, you're thought process is very wrong. And technically that is fraud.
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So when people brick there phones and send it back like the countless topics have told them on this forum, where is this outlash calling fraud?
did you not have insurance on it?
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did you not have insurance on it?
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In 10 years of owning a cell phone I have never lost, broken or spilled anything on it. So in my case, insurance for the most part would have been a waste. Also, insurance, unless it covers loss, is a fraud within itself.
My friends have never purchased insurance and have just strolled into the stores (VZW) and exchanged for a refurbished make.
But, yes, I should have gotten insurance.
Also, to the people who are claiming fraud, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
This is for all other purpose a phone modding/hacking forum. For god sakes there are stickies saying how to activate wireless tether for free.
Now to the butthurt people above me, I sure hope you are not using any of those patches or tether apps because "THAT IS FRAUD".
Examples :
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Try using the wireless tether for root users on the market
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Illegal. You should pay VZW to provide you with the 3G hotspot tether app or wifi tethering. But yet you are telling people to use the free one, huh?
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According to some things that I have read, your Droid 1 needs to be running Cyanogenmod 6 in order for it to pick up Ad Hoc networks, which is what your Droid 2 puts out. If it is running that then everything I have read points to yes, you can tether the Droid 1 to the Droid 2.
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Hmmm, so when you posted that in another topic, to the original poster, there was no problem to you, with him getting free wifi from his phone without paying?
I don't see why you're trying to defend yourself, what you're doing is commiting fraud, regardless of what you do you will be caught because of the cosmetic issue, now stop coming through the forum acting all high and mighty when you're doing something illegal, we don't want your kind here.
Oh, and voiding your warranty is not the same as commiting fraud, ones illegal, one isnt, now gtfo
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Have you tried a hammer?
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Try getting a replacement. See how u get charged. Then u too can see the light flashing bright yellow to use caution when leaving ur phone in anyplace where liquid may come in contact with it.
Be glad it still works...
Look buddy, you can try to justify yourself however you want. The fact is, what your doing is fraud, and you shouldn't be asking people how to brick your device to get a new one. Plan and simple.
About the wireless tethering. I'm almost positive Verizon knows about these forums. They would be stupid if they didn't. Therefor I'm sure they know about the wireless tethering apps out there, THAT ARE ON THE MARKET NO LESS, and yet they don't try to get it shut down so they obviously aren't that worried about it. And don't you think if the wireless tether app was so illegal google would have taken it off the market? The way I look at it, I'm paying for UNLIMITED DATA, why should it matter if I share some with a computer.
Now go ahead and dispute this however you want (I know your going to), but you might as well go somewhere else cause you won't get much help here. Thanks
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Look buddy, you can try to justify yourself however you want. The fact is, what your doing is fraud, and you shouldn't be asking people how to brick your device to get a new one. Plan and simple.
About the wireless tethering. I'm almost positive Verizon knows about these forums. They would be stupid if they didn't. Therefor I'm sure they know about the wireless tethering apps out there, THAT ARE ON THE MARKET NO LESS, and yet they don't try to get it shut down so they obviously aren't that worried about it. And don't you think if the wireless tether app was so illegal google would have taken it off the market? The way I look at it, I'm paying for UNLIMITED DATA, why should it matter if I share some with a computer.
Now go ahead and dispute this however you want (I know your going to), but you might as well go somewhere else cause you won't get much help here. Thanks
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OH I forgot that law that if someone knows you are doing something and they don't stop you it's OK. That's a new one, is that like the 15th amendment or something?
"Officer it's ok, I told my brother that I was going to rob this bank today at 12:30, he didn't stop me so you have no jurisdiction here".
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OH I forgot that law that if someone knows you are doing something and they don't stop you it's OK. That's a new one, is that like the 15th amendment or something?
"Officer it's ok, I told my brother that I was going to rob this bank today at 12:30, he didn't stop me so you have no jurisdiction here".
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Yes well that's interesting logic. Anyways, I'm not going to waste my time here. Good luck with your fraud.
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Stop talking about the people who root their phones and void their warranty that is bad yes, but completely software related. Has nothing to do with the appearence or the general ability of the phone to do all its tasks. As someone said above be glad it is not broken and live with it. Its your own fault it got "ruined".
Also, the market is run by google not verizon so anything posted their is out of Verizons hands. Still illegal and not saying its right but it is much more out of verizons hands.
And to answer your question there is no way to brick your phone to the point of it not working without Verizon noticing. Deal with it.
This thread is out of hand. Stop flaming. This topic probably doesn't break the forum rules, so if you think it's of questionable ethic, don't post, or report it and let the forum mod make the call.
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Speaking of" unlimited data", didn't that turn out to be a lie?
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I'm running stock jf6. Nothing illegal about that. Get on 4chan.
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Voiding Warranty and Fraud
There's nothing illegal or fraudulent about rooting your phone in and of itself, all it does is void the warranty. However, if someone was going to root their phone, then unroot it and send it back to the manufacturer under the warranty, THAT would technically be fraud, but that's completely irrelevant in this case.
Why do you even need to brick it anyway? The spots on your screen seem like enough of a reason to try and get a replacement.
What you tell them of how it actually happened is all on you though.
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So...
What I want to know and do is how to permanently brick my droid 2 and if my thought process is right.
Brick the phone, call VZW, get a next day air replacement, send the brick phone back. Everything ok?
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What this forum needs is a wall of shame thread for posts like these.
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Hey guys maybe this has already posted but I've searched around and can't find anything on it: Is there a hack for the Sprint TV so I can have the service without paying? I found a way to bypass paying for the hotspot ($30/m pshhhhh) and wondered if anyone has done the same for Sprint TV... I'm on the Evo 4g w/ EvoNonsense 4.2 mod
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Hey guys maybe this has already posted but I've searched around and can't find anything on it: Is there a hack for the Sprint TV so I can have the service without paying? I found a way to bypass paying for the hotspot ($30/m pshhhhh) and wondered if anyone has done the same for Sprint TV... I'm on the Evo 4g w/ EvoNonsense 4.2 mod
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If you have data you have sprint tv.
The EVO you wish you had
I wish there was a way to watch sprint TV on wifi or 4g
That would be nice.
The EVO you wish you had
I know this sounds kinda dumb but I meant the full service... some channels you cant access without paying and additional $5.00 here $3.00 there... Is there any way to have all channels and on demand available?
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I know this sounds kinda dumb but I meant the full service... some channels you cant access without paying and additional $5.00 here $3.00 there... Is there any way to have all channels and on demand available?
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Yeah. There is. Pay for them.
Do you walk in to a grocery store and just pick up milk and leave? If it's not worth it to buy or you can't afford it, then don't use that part of the service.
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Yeah. There is. Pay for them.
Do you walk in to a grocery store and just pick up milk and leave? If it's not worth it to buy or you can't afford it, then don't use that part of the service.
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Wow... didn't have to be so harsh on me... Last time I checked this was a site to help each other out. People have used the HotSpot service without paying for it and I'm pretty sure we could afford it, it's just more convenient. Sarcasm is not appreciated, but I understand where you're coming from I guess. Well if anybody ELSE has something USEFUL to say, please let me know as I would for you
cool thanks for info!
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Wow... didn't have to be so harsh on me... Last time I checked this was a site to help each other out. People have used the HotSpot service without paying for it and I'm pretty sure we could afford it, it's just more convenient. Sarcasm is not appreciated, but I understand where you're coming from I guess. Well if anybody ELSE has something USEFUL to say, please let me know as I would for you
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Sorry if you felt that was unnecessarily harsh. I did, however, provide you with a 100% working way to veiw the channels you want to see.
True... damn it if it wouldn't be awesome though... It was worth a try... along with sprint TV over 4g or wifi
In the nicest way possible, dont try and scam Sprint.
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Yeah. There is. Pay for them.
Do you walk in to a grocery store and just pick up milk and leave? If it's not worth it to buy or you can't afford it, then don't use that part of the service.
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Get off your high horse. I suspect you are rooted, therefore I suspect you have some type of wireless tether that you are not paying for. The guy asked a question, if you don't like it then don't answer.
tethering.. is a built-in function of android.. that carriers took out. We are paying for the data... we are only taking back what they took away. wireless tether.. is a different method to transfer data.
sprint tv.. is a service that sprint provides.. and it cost them money to have those services. this site does not allow information to steal applications or services.
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In the nicest way possible, dont try and scam Sprint.
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Anyone rooted and using tether for free is already scamming Sprint... And for a lot more than paying for a channel here and there.
BTW, just because a feature is native to the OS and blocked by a carrier for a premium, doesn't mean we should take it back freely. The reason they have to charge more is because of the added bandwidth that is THEIRS. We pay our monthly dues for our device; not for anything else we want to connect onto it. They most certainly have the right to charge a fee for that feature.
I'm not trying to be a hypocrit here by judging people who tether for free, because I'm rooted and I have used it a couple of times in the past. However, I'm not naive enough to not admit that what I did, and probably will do again in the future, isn't wrong.
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Anyone rooted and using tether for free is already scamming Sprint... And for a lot more than paying for a channel here and there.
BTW, just because a feature is native to the OS and blocked by a carrier for a premium, doesn't mean we should take it back freely. The reason they have to charge more is because of the added bandwidth that is THEIRS. We pay our monthly dues for our device; not for anything else we want to connect onto it. They most certainly have the right to charge a fee for that feature.
I'm not trying to be a hypocrit here by judging people who tether for free, because I'm rooted and I have used it a couple of times in the past. However, I'm not naive enough to not admit that what I did, and probably will do again in the future, isn't wrong.
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+1... exactly. Using tether is scamming sprint just as much as what the op wanted to do.
i have unlimited data.. according to sprint and the $10 charge.
i have an android that lets me tether data.....
they lock it.. i unlock it.
well you draw your own connections.. I have mine.
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Get off your high horse. I suspect you are rooted, therefore I suspect you have some type of wireless tether that you are not paying for. The guy asked a question, if you don't like it then don't answer.
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He asked a question. I answered it. If you don't care for my answer, feel free to keep it to yourself. I am rooted, and I have yet to turn on wireless tether. I have 0 need for it. Just because you feel it's ok to steal, don't assume that I have the same opinion.
If the original question had been "Hey guys, Admorris has a sweet car. How can I use it without his consent?" Would you still be crying about my answer?
EDIT: As far as tethering, I use the paid version of PDANet, which I've had since shortly after I got the EVO, and long before I rooted. Which is why I don't need the wireless tether that came with my ROM.
This thread needs to be locked!!!!!!!!!
My 2cents:
hacking to get free hot spot is fine because android is open source and sprint locked down that feature. Unlocking it is fine and legal any part of the android OS is free for anyone to hack and use to their liking. Apps are a different story
Sprint tv is propritary feature/app and is not really apart of android it is a service they provide for a fee. Also there are a bunch of free channels like Usa, Fox and a few others with full episodes. Just wish it worked atleast over wifi. Hacking sprint tv i guess would be considered warez and xda does not support or allow warez on this site
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This thread needs to be locked!!!!!!!!!
My 2cents:
hacking to get free hot spot is fine because android is open source and sprint locked down that feature. Unlocking it is fine and legal any part of the android OS is free for anyone to hack and use to their liking. Apps are a different story
Sprint tv is propritary feature/app and is not really apart of android it is a service they provide for a fee. Also there are a bunch of free channels like Usa, Fox and a few others with full episodes. Just wish it worked atleast over wifi. Hacking sprint tv i guess would be considered warez and xda does not support or allow warez on this site
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If you feel that way just report it.
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Whoa Whoa I think this thread is getting a little personal huh guys? no beef here man... I asked a question and Bp3dots answered it. We are all entitled to our own opinion but to be honest I think everyone is getting off topic. If theres no straight answer to my question then just forget it. I truly appreciate any suggestions but I don't wanna start a huge thread of argument. So far I have not found anything on it and although many of you pose good points, I don't wanna steal from anyone especially Sprint. I just thought that it was something that was included and blocked just like the tether function, but I was wrong. Case closed..... And play nice guys
Because I followed the instructions here, which give no such warning, and bricked my WiFi Xoom. =/
I'll be honest - you found the forum but somehow missed all the previous posts regarding this?
How can we fix a softbrick? I did not think they would be different and followed a guide on AndroidCentral. Now I am at the Motorola Dual Core Technology screen and it is going no where.
I agree with the OP. At least for the time being since there seems to be some discrepancy between the wifi and wifi+3g software versions.
It doesn't hurt to add in the title of the thread or in the body of the OPs text to add something about whether it is compatible with wifi only and/or wifi+3g.
I know people can read pages and pages of a thread to find out about the compatibility but I think we should help each out and try to prevent as many soft bricks of the xoom as possible.
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Because I followed the instructions here, which give no such warning, and bricked my WiFi Xoom. =/
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Wouldn't the first red flag be that the WiFi Xoom isn't even generally available until tomorrow? There hasn't been a need to make the discrepancy between 3G and WiFi models up to this point.
Do you expect methods to be made for the WiFi Xoom when its not even on sale unless you have a lucky store that decided to sell early lol.
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I'll be honest - you found the forum but somehow missed all the previous posts regarding this?
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Google.
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Wouldn't the first red flag be that the WiFi Xoom isn't even generally available until tomorrow? There hasn't been a need to make the discrepancy between 3G and WiFi models up to this point.
Do you expect methods to be made for the WiFi Xoom when its not even on sale unless you have a lucky store that decided to sell early lol.
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Nope, I would expect it to be with and without a 3G mini pci card. There's no reason for the boot software to be different.
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Nope, I would expect it to be with and without a 3G mini pci card. There's no reason for the boot software to be different.
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Idk it doesn't necessarily make too much sense for them to be different, but there's no reason to take it upon yourself to try it before its been approved or at least tested lol. Sorry but the first thing you should've done is the research to see if there are differences first. I think you could've waited 24 hrs and seen what people find out.
since u are sitting on a soft brick, try flashing tiamat and see if it fixes it. If not, a stock boot img should hit the interwebz in a matter of minute's.
No brick returns?
My neighbor is a Best Buy manager he told me the higher ups know about these bricks. He was instructed NOT to take returns if the xoom is in this condition. I would imagine other stores are going to do the same!
The instructions on screen when you unlock clearly state that you are voiding the warranty. They shouldn't take returns on bricked xooms.
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My neighbor is a Best Buy manager he told me the higher ups know about these bricks. He was instructed NOT to take returns if the xoom is in this condition. I would imagine other stores are going to do the same!
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Only if you're a moron would you allow them not to return it.
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Everybody knows the root method was posted over a month ago, obviously that is for 3g xooms. The op knew what he was doing, the Guy who created that thread a month ago isn't coming bavk to change titles for you, make sure you read a guide that says wifi only root, personally that's what I would've done instead of blaming other people. If you're smart enough to root but can't figure that out I don't know what to tell you. That said you have 15-30 days to return your stuff as long as its not physical damaged, best buy has to take it back, don't listen to the other guy who said differently
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I have been told, (not blaming sprint employees, you guys didn't lie to or deceive anyone), and have participated in telling others that Sprint supports rooters. This change was a huge blow that was unexpected and I no longer consider Sprint as great of a carrier as I thought they were.
I got into an argument with another user over Sprint's official tolerance to users with rooted phones as posted on this site. The other user however pointed me to this website.
What's important is quoted here
SprintTOS said:
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (g) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated, or unverifiable identification or credit information or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with our Services; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests, or our networks.
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This is verbatim from the Terms of Service which take effect on 9/9/2011. This is the most disappointing thing I've read all week.
Edit: edited portion in which I appear to blame sprint employees. I appreciate you guys and I'm sorry it got worded that way. I have an issue with overreacting to bad news. I appreciate what you guys do for us.
Lol. They can but won't.
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Sucks but then... dunno
Overstew said:
Lol. They can but won't.
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I don't know if they will or won't. The user I argued with said this was a recent change.
Edit: sorry to be so confrontational
I don't think they really care enough I think they might do it if you have something against them like hotspots hacks. I don't think just root would make them do this, there's been to many people going to stores and having root and them not caring
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Wow... they'll just drive people straight to T-Mobile.
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I don't think they really care enough I think they might do it if you have something against them like hotspots hacks. I don't think just root would make them do this, there's been to many people going to stores and having root and them not caring
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This change is recent and not in effect until 9/9/11. Who knows what the defacto situation will be in a month or two.
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This change is recent and not in effect until 9/9/11. Who knows what the defacto situation will be in a month or two.
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Yeah true but they'll have alot of accounts closed and alot of them will. Just go to anouther carrier, like I would flash my epic to anouther one,so they would lose way to much money and might not do it. Also they might not care about devices theyleft behind like the good ol hero and soon to be epic and evo, so all we can do is call and text to see if it works lol
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(m) You have red hair our favorite sports team lost last night (o) you just don't hang out with us as much as you used to.
They're just saying they can terminate for any reason, which I'm sure was always the case. They only listed things to cover their ass if anyone complains about it.
They aren't going to, not to mention every single rom I've ever installed comes with a laundry list of warnings/ramifications. Granted those are generally phone/warranty based, and not plan based, but it's fair to say we all realize we're not doing something our carriers would be overjoyed about.
Your only reason to be concerned here is that IF they terminate for some unlisted reason, like you download so much you're costing them money as a customer, they can cite "rooted phone" as "the" reason. (Or at least a "you can't complain" reason, since it was clearly listed. Ultimately they don't owe a reason at all.)
There's largely nothing to see here. My brother has an at&t phone. Rooted apps are hidden in the market, and side loading apps is disabled without root. Sprint isn't doing anything meaningful in the "anti-root" dept.
I'm sure that's in the old t&s also. Just cya wording.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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I think you're right. I don't understand why they care since we own the dam phones anyways.
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Akagami said:
If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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Even so, this official policy is unacceptable. Terminating insurance and warranties make sense. Terminating service is unnecessary and a stab in the back.
I remember when people used to say sprint would never terminate anyone for roaming. This was largely because until late last year and early this year they didn't. Guess what? They certainly do now. For rooting it's only a matter of time.
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Even so, this official policy is unacceptable. Terminating insurance and warranties make sense. Terminating service is unnecessary and a stab in the back.
I remember when people used to say sprint would never terminate anyone for roaming. This was largely because until late last year and early this year they didn't. Guess what? They certainly do now. For rooting it's only a matter of time.
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Right, but if they do they do. They can tell you to take a hike for ANY reason, always could, always will be able to. Nothing actually changed here, in that regard.
Terminating service makes more sense than anything. The whole point of rooting is to use the phones in a manner Sprint didn't sign on for. Thousands of people using root access to bypass their paid service to tether your phone to wifi devices "hurts" them way more than the few bucks they're out for handing someone who's been paying insurance for a year and a half a refurb after bricking their devices. You're almost certainly going to do something that legitimately breaches the TOS before you do something that has any effect on the warranty. It's way more a trumped up, lame, get of of jail free, card on the insurance/warranty than it is the service. What does a busted camera button have to do with rooting?
Edit: Put it this way. I own a business, I draw attention to the fact that I can fire you for any reason, and I post a list of a few of the things you're not supposed to do. Personal calls, eating at your desk, playing games, etc. That ISN'T saying "I'm going to fire you for making a personal call." All it's saying is don't come crying about how we fired you because we didn't like your nationality, when you habitually violated rules I laid out.
I mean, honestly, I find it hard to believe you're outraged over a meaningless word change, which is tantamount to adding "Altering your device so it can literally steal from us" to a standing "We can tell you to scram for ANY reason" line.
Edit Again: And I'm sure someone somewhere will claim they were terminated JUST for rooting. That doesn't make it true, and it wouldn't mean it's going to start happening all over. We all know we're doing something we aren't supposed to be which, best case, Sprint looks the other way on. If they wanted to stop looking the other way, that's their prerogative. It's their network.
People aren't being kicked "for roaming" they're being kicked because they're almost never not roaming. In some cases because they moved, in other cases because they never should have been Sprint customers in the first place (and might have even misrepresented something to get the deal they wanted). This is a pretty well known clause.
If sprint booted rooters they would essentially lose I'm sure at least 50% of their current business, which might not be so great if they expect to make things like... idk... profit?
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Zeinzu said:
If sprint booted rooters they would essentially lose I'm sure at least 50% of their current business, which might not be so great if they expect to make things like... idk... profit?
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Id say more like 15-20% and growing as awarness of root grows, that # might be inflated aswell, but I'm optimistic
Akagami said:
If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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This right here. The agreement is there as a "just in case" scenario. If you're tethering or using abnormal amounts of data, resulting in slowing neighbors using the same tower down, then this gives them the right to terminate your service. I'm sure they'll send you a note before jumping to conclusions, though.
I pull at least 15-20gb a month. And my second line is on pandora nearly 24/7. Never heard a peep from sprint about it.
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I have a feeling what they're concerned about is the same thing the other carriers are concerned about. Rather than make us pay for tiered data, they make it known that if you sit at home using your phone as your only source of internet without paying the 30 bucks a month for hotspot service, downloading movies from netflix all day pulling down 500gb or so in a month, they'll check to see if you're rooted. There are a handful of people pulling down hundreds of gb of data from their phone without paying the fee, and that's just wildly unrealistic for just phone use, and takes bandwidth from the rest of us, slowing down speeds.
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I have a feeling what they're concerned about is the same thing the other carriers are concerned about. Rather than make us pay for tiered data, they make it known that if you sit at home using your phone as your only source of internet without paying the 30 bucks a month for hotspot service, downloading movies from netflix all day pulling down 500gb or so in a month, they'll check to see if you're rooted. There are a handful of people pulling down hundreds of gb of data from their phone without paying the fee, and that's just wildly unrealistic for just phone use, and takes bandwidth from the rest of us, slowing down speeds.
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Why not just add the plan for tethering instead of termination? I know I only tether once in a blue moon and for me root is much more than just tethering. It's voodoo sound to make music clearer, it's roam control to get my calls through, it's titanium backup to backup and restore my data and above all it's my key to taking full control of what's rightfully mine.
There is a little secret many of you have forgotten.
Unauthorized tethering doesn't need root. PDAnet works on unrooted phones.
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