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Linux on Athena

So, will we ever have linux running on the Athena?
I guess we will.
Athena is now added to the hh.org tree, and it compiles, but i dont know if it is ever tested.
If someone like to test I can compile a kernel and make a initrd to see if it boots.
But again as allways, yo do it on your own risc.

Wow! Exciting stuff. I have absolutely no experience of Linux on a PDA although I use Ubuntu and SuSE on a daily basis. If I can help at all with any testing, I would be glad to. What kind of risks are involved? Don't fancy bricking my lovely new Ameo!

findus said:
Wow! Exciting stuff. I have absolutely no experience of Linux on a PDA although I use Ubuntu and SuSE on a daily basis. If I can help at all with any testing, I would be glad to. What kind of risks are involved? Don't fancy bricking my lovely new Ameo!
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Well until now there havent been anyone breaking their device. I have tested Linux on Universal for over one and a half yers now, and it works just as i should.
But be aware of it might happend even though it's not truly that it will.
If you want to test you can join us at IRC #htc-linux at freenode.net
Call up me or a guy named cr2 to get some help and we guide you how to do it.

findus said:
What kind of risks are involved?
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The risks are dramatic

is it just command prompt or is there a gui?

cr2 said:
The risks are dramatic
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I'll do it if we can dual boot. I setup Linux servers all the time so I have a little experience. I'll try to join up on IRC...but let me know if you can dual boot between WM5 and Linux please.

cr2 said:
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WOOOW!~!~!~!
is it a real pic? Cool!!!
Do you have USB host/device working? SD card? WiFi? BT?
Does Direct FB supported?
Supper!!!

di2307 said:
WOOOW!~!~!~!
is it a real pic? Cool!!!
Do you have USB host/device working? SD card? WiFi? BT?
Does Direct FB supported?
Supper!!!
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Yes, that's a real pic. I can vouch for that. I have it running on my Athena today. Still being developed but they have a great start.

c0mput0r said:
is it just command prompt or is there a gui?
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It's a command prompt, but you can't yet use it. The GUI just needs
a working touchscreen driver, which is actually available and working (AD7877 on HTC Apache).

di2307 said:
is it a real pic?
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I'm not in the business of posting fake pictures
Do you have USB host/device working?
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I have not yet understood how the USB host is connected
(probably Philips, not the EPSON). AFAIK there was some attempt
of writing a linux driver for it. Since the docs are available, it
should not be a big problem.
SD card?
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No. It seems that it uses the ATI SD interface (like Hermes/TyTN)
which is completely undocumented. Some major work is required here.
WiFi?
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The chipset calls itself ACX100, but it's not exactly the same chip as used in the Universal (which works in Linux/Universal-Blueangel).
BT?
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TI BRF6150 like on the Universal (i.e. supported). The BT audio path
needs some coding, though.
Does Direct FB supported?
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It's the dumb framebuffer what you can see here.
The ATI chip is not exactly the same as on Himalaya/Blueangel
(supported on Linux) so some changes are required to get
the suspend/resume and HW acceleration working.

Wow! Good work guys. Keep it up!

Yeah, i tried the pre-compiled OpenMoko on my UNiversal, it was quite buggy but so cool to see it running!
If somebody ported the OpenMoko firmware to the Universal you would have the most amazing phone, wm5/6 for most users and Linux for crazy people
Its all great work, I cant wait to try it. I assume it will boot from SD card same as the universal one did? (just click windows .exe file and it reboots)

Pyrofer said:
Yeah, i tried the pre-compiled OpenMoko on my UNiversal, it was quite buggy but so cool to see it running!
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It's a software problem
I assume it will boot from SD card same as the universal one did? (just click windows .exe file and it reboots)
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Yes. http://jornada820.sf.net/files/haret/athena-boot.exe
Just download this file and run it.
If the USB cable is connected during boot, you may even be
able to telnet to Athena (at least it works on Hermes, but YMMV).

Wow,can somebody post more pictures?

marthynovak said:
Wow,can somebody post more pictures?
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Expect better pictures when the EPSON ATA/CF controller for the microdrive is supported.

Ubuntu-mobile
GUYS - BARE IN MIND
UBUNTU IS RELEASING A WHOLE OS FOR PDA'S ETC.
THE SPECS SAY IT CAN RUN WITH 200MZ
SO WITH THIS 600MZ IT SHOULD FLY!
THERE ARE BUILTS CURRENTLY AVALIABLE OF UBUNTU-MOBILE ON THE UBUNTU REPS
SO CHECK IT OUT
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded

puccaso said:
GUYS - BARE IN MIND
UBUNTU IS RELEASING A WHOLE OS FOR PDA'S ETC.
THE SPECS SAY IT CAN RUN WITH 200MZ
SO WITH THIS 600MZ IT SHOULD FLY!
THERE ARE BUILTS CURRENTLY AVALIABLE OF UBUNTU-MOBILE ON THE UBUNTU REPS
SO CHECK IT OUT
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
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I may have misunderstood but isn't the project on the link targeting UMPC's and not PDA Phones?

Yes.
Nothing about Ameo/Athena on there.
The OpenMoko project supports the Universal, I guess somebody will port it to the Athena soon.

What's the latest on the linux port? The wiki hasn't changed much, and there are no new posts here. Is the project stalled? Is there anything I can do?
Also, as a stop gap, is there a working X server (like Cygwin/X) for windows mobile?

Bumping an old thread in the hopes of new information. The unversal is going great - any idea for our unit?

*****X on G1?

any of you l33t linux users know if we can install *****x on this thing?

sodenrox said:
any of you l33t linux users know if we can install *****x on this thing?
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Not unless someone ports it for Android. Keep in mind, Android is **NOT** Linux. It only uses it's kernal

sodenrox said:
any of you l33t linux users know if we can install *****x on this thing?
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if you have shell access, use ConnectBot and screen+*****x on the linux box.

jasonparekh said:
if you have shell access, use ConnectBot and screen+*****x on the linux box.
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This is the way to go.
What it *****x written in, mostly C? The android app framework uses java, it would take a complete rewrite. Can't really be called a port.

syrusfrost said:
This is the way to go.
What it *****x written in, mostly C? The android app framework uses java, it would take a complete rewrite. Can't really be called a port.
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Sorry...Saturday... was and am toasted
Moral of the story is, it's not easy to just install

momentarylapseofreason said:
Sorry...Saturday... was and am toasted
Moral of the story is, it's not easy to just install
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Oh nothing to be sorry about, you show that you have a better grasp of the architecture of Android OS than 90% here by distinguishing between an OS and a Kernel.

so its using the linux kernel just not linux? lol

sodenrox said:
so its using the linux kernel just not linux? lol
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Common misconception. There is no "linux" out side of the Linux kernel. The most basic form of OS that runs ontop of the Linux kernel is all of the GNU software. That you would call GNU/Linux OS if you wanted too.
Of course the major distributions kind of perpetuate the misconception... meh.

I am using connectbot to connect to shell that is running *****X. It works well but drains a bit of battery. Come hang out in #android on irc.efnet.net

007wrx said:
I am using connectbot to connect to shell that is running *****X. It works well but drains a bit of battery. Come hang out in #android on irc.efnet.net
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how do I connect to that shell?

You have to have your own shell. You can purchase them for a few $ a month.

Android 2.1 from the SDcard

Hi, I have no idea about programming and absolutely clueless about Android devolopement. I have been using x1 before the x10, and there somebody made Android 2.1 which starts off from the SD card. Even if we cannt get the phone rooted can do something like what they have done??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=622
If I sound like an idiot could the mods delete this thread please.

I believe that the X1 is WM6.5 ?
I don't think that Android and WM Devices have the same methods to root a phone...

chandyperry said:
I believe that the X1 is WM6.5 ?
I don't think that Android and WM Devices have the same methods to root a phone...
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anything related to the first post?

smallord said:
anything related to the first post?
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I understood that he thinks that it may be possible to put 2.1 on the X10 with the X1 SD card method. And I answered that those 2 phones ave different OS, so for me it's not possible... that's all...

Ask jerpelea. He is a master chef and I saw him on this forum recently. I'm gonna try his x1 eclair port tonight but I'm willing to bet its great (just like everything he's made that I've used)

I thought we might be able RUN Android 2.1 from SD card just like we did in X1. I know that would not be a ROM and probably we would waste RAM too, but we might have the 2.1 anyway. In X1 they had lot of problems with drivers and everything (stuffs I don't understand ) but this is already an ANdroid phone, so drivers shouldn't be the problem (also because we already have the X10 ROM). Moreover we don't even need to map any keyboard, like we had to do in X1, cuz it has no keyboard

Theres no haret on linux..though as root you could have your system or data partition on the sdcard with no problems,just modifying the initrd..
And run windows 95 emulated too
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Who is Haret??
just kidding, so I guess the answer is no not possible.
(now is the time for someone to say WAIT THERE MIGHT BE A WAY).

Ok so nobody said "wait a minute ..... we can do this...". Fine I will say it myself.
Wait a minute I think this could be done. See if we put DOSbox (win 3.1) as an app then start the haret from SD. And then we can get even Android 2.2.
So who knows how to do it??

Bikram said:
Ok so nobody said "wait a minute ..... we can do this...". Fine I will say it myself.
Wait a minute I think this could be done. See if we put DOSbox (win 3.1) as an app then start the haret from SD. And then we can get even Android 2.2.
So who knows how to do it??
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So you are saying to run android 2.x on top of dosbox which is on top of android 1.6?

Ok so nobody said "wait a minute ..... we can do this...". Fine I will say it myself.
Wait a minute I think this could be done. See if we put
So you are saying to run android 2.x on top of dosbox which is on top of android 1.6?
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DosBox to run 2.2 is a BAD idea sorry...
You can maybe boot 2.2 but the performance on dosbox is realy crappy.
Another ting, will the camera work, sound, gps, 3G, mic? +++
And the last thing i think dosbox is only read-only.
Try it and give us feedback. Maybe we can use it GL

Just my 2 cent:
Dosbox would only be needed to START booting linux, so the linux image then shoud run natively. A performance problem should not exist.
On my X1 haret.exe was only used to pass over control to the booting process. afterwards WiMo 6.5 was not running in background, the full ram was handed over to Android/Linux.
So the question should be, if dosbox would prevent haret.exe from initiating the booting process (as the adresses needed are "shielded") ....
Bax

Makes alot of sense
Baxxx said:
Just my 2 cent:
Dosbox would only be needed to START booting linux, so the linux image then shoud run natively. A performance problem should not exist.
On my X1 haret.exe was only used to pass over control to the booting process. afterwards WiMo 6.5 was not running in background, the full ram was handed over to Android/Linux.
So the question should be, if dosbox would prevent haret.exe from initiating the booting process (as the adresses needed are "shielded") ....
Bax
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To me this all seems to make alot of sense. Dosbox.apk on SD card, Run haret, Boot Android 2.X. No altering of scripts shoould be needed for native android phones correct?
So why would this not work? Should be safe to try atleast and also alot easier than rooting the phone at this point. Am I right?

troyjamz said:
Should be safe to try atleast and also alot easier than rooting the phone at this point. Am I right?
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And will be soooo slow as a pig riding a donkey

Should be safe to try atleast and also alot easier than rooting the phone at this point. Am I right?
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And will be soooo slow as a pig riding a donkey
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Why do you say that? I have a old touch cruise running ecleir with no issues why would this be a problem on the x10?
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I just found a alpha version of dosbox for android, the only problem is that it does not support software keyboards. Is there any way to control the phone via a computer so we can try to boot haret?
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I found a way to use the keyboard now but it covers up half the screen so im typing blind but it works! Just need to tell dosbox where to find haret now which i dont know how to do yet but im gonna figure it out!
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I keep geting a promt sayin "this program can not be run in dos mode" is there a way to work around this?
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I keep geting a promt sayin "this program can not be run in dos mode" is there a way to work around this?
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Not to screw your hopes, but dosbox emulates msdos (x86) and therefore nothing compiled for arm is going to work (not winmo or haret)
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All I want to do is run Ubuntu without playing with too much of this ROM stuff

I don't know what half of it does and I've had worse case scenarios happen before and I'm just scared lol, My asus is rooted and all .... I just wanna run Ubuntu without getting rid of my stock rom or whatever

You prettymuch have to have an nvflashable sbk1 tf101 to dual boot Ubuntu, I believe.

purple.epod said:
You prettymuch have to have an nvflashable sbk1 tf101 to dual boot Ubuntu, I believe.
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Which you can't with the serials b70 and after due to no nvflash.

that is correct you need sbk1(B70 or lower) to install emmc ubuntu although if you want you can always run it in a virtual machine using terminal and a vnc viewer

mrevankyle said:
that is correct you need sbk1(B70 or lower) to install emmc ubuntu although if you want you can always run it in a virtual machine using terminal and a vnc viewer
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Is there a way of running a virtual machine on my transformer? I think I've seen something like this done with Backtrack 5 on a Xoom, but I wasn't aware of any virtualization software available for Android..

So you bought an Android tablet to run Ubuntu...
Why didn't you buy a PC?

CrazyPeter said:
So you bought an Android tablet to run Ubuntu...
Why didn't you buy a PC?
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Because of the many advantages of ARM chipsets? More efficient power consumption, less heat dissipation, etc.

You could get a net book with a decent battery, an extra gig of ram and whack ubuntu on that.
The more recent atom chips or even amd's are great for that sort of thing.
Could always put a small ssd in it too.
What sort of battery life do you expect from a TF101 with ubuntu?

Asus has promised to release a tool to unlock the Transformer bootloader (at the price of voiding your warranty). When (if?) they release it, you should be able to install Ubuntu on the newer Transformers.

mrevankyle said:
that is correct you need sbk1(B70 or lower) to install emmc ubuntu although if you want you can always run it in a virtual machine using terminal and a vnc viewer
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Yes , but if I do this will it save files i've put on the ubuntu etc oh and btw just a quick little off topic question, i rooted my tf101 with razorckal, will i still recieve the ota update for ics?

Sustantivo said:
Yes , but if I do this will it save files i've put on the ubuntu etc oh and btw just a quick little off topic question, i rooted my tf101 with razorckal, will i still recieve the ota update for ics?
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Yes, you will get the OTA update (whichi will remove root, if you just apply it)
BTW, I could imagine creating CWM image for ARM Ubuntu, but as far as I know, nobody did that yet, so it would be a DIY job

CrazyPeter said:
So you bought an Android tablet to run Ubuntu...
Why didn't you buy a PC?
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my thoughts exactly.

brando56894 said:
my thoughts exactly.
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I didn't buy it FOR ubuntu, I bought it just for tablet stuff but thought it would be cool to have ubuntu on it too, as my comptuer broke not long ago and i was running ubuntu on it

mrevankyle said:
that is correct you need sbk1(B70 or lower) to install emmc ubuntu although if you want you can always run it in a virtual machine using terminal and a vnc viewer
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So it's b70 and lower that can and not b70 and higher that can't?
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blestsol said:
So it's b70 and lower that can and not b70 and higher that can't?
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Some b70's can some b70's can't so it is generally said that b70's are incompatible just so that people with b70 sbk2's dont complain about things saying that something is compatable with b70 and lower
makes things easier on the devs

Sustantivo said:
I didn't buy it FOR ubuntu, I bought it just for tablet stuff but thought it would be cool to have ubuntu on it too, as my comptuer broke not long ago and i was running ubuntu on it
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That makes more sense. Your OP made it sound like you specifically bought it just to run Ubuntu and didn't care about Android.

hahah yeah sorry :/ it was three am hahaha, but yeah,is there a super simple way to run ubuntu , then go back to my normal android after

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1364095
if your tf has sbk_v1. takes 20mins with really just 1 click ^^
after installing in dualboot, you can switch from android to ubuntu and back as you wish...

[Q] Linux and Nexus 7

Is there any port of linux (ubuntu and such) that would run natively?
NOT VIA VNC.

yes
That would be great and there supposed to be working on monitor mode with package injection, those two together on my nexus would be great

chris9983 said:
That would be great and there supposed to be working on monitor mode with package injection, those two together on my nexus would be great
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There's a half baked port on the Touchpad, I was thinking N7 with so much dev love i'm sure a fully functional version could be done.

ericerk said:
Is there any port of linux (ubuntu and such) that would run natively?
NOT VIA VNC.
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Ubuntu has been ported for the N7 and has been tested to work.
I don't think its the native client though I think its on top.

ericerk said:
There's a half baked port on the Touchpad, I was thinking N7 with so much dev love i'm sure a fully functional version could be done.
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Yea I tried compiling our kernel with the monitor mode module in it but couldn't get it though it can be done http://bcmon.blogspot.com/ now that w/a native bt5 port that would be fresh

Wilks3y said:
Ubuntu has been ported for the N7 and has been tested to work.
I don't think its the native client though I think its on top.
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Care to show how to do it? Thanks!

Native ports is something I hope to work on once I have finished cleaning up bugs within LinuxonAndroids current images
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