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The best performance rom+kernel.

Hello guys.
I`m new to N7. I have installed Motley kernel and ParanoidAndroid. I`m wondering if i can get better performance on 1.6 Ghz. (14100 in Antutu-How much is your?)The kernel is perfect for me but i think ParanoidAndoid has not the best performance. Can someone suggest me a rom?

DeFcOn said:
Hello guys.
I`m new to N7. I have installed Motley kernel and ParanoidAndroid. I`m wondering if i can get better performance on 1.6 Ghz. (14100 in Antutu-How much is your?)The kernel is perfect for me but i think ParanoidAndoid has not the best performance. Can someone suggest me a rom?
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performance would depend on tbe kernel. trinity kernel is a performance kernel(since you brought up antutu, 16400 here). rom wise, rasbean jelly is a great rom to match up with a performance kernel.

simms22 said:
performance would depend on tbe kernel. trinity kernel is a performance kernel(since you brought up antutu, 16400 here). rom wise, rasbean jelly is a great rom to match up with a performance kernel.
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Thx for your fast answer. I dont want to flash trinity kernel because i heard that it has worst battery life then motley(IDK if this true). Rasberry will be ok with motley?

DeFcOn said:
Thx for your fast answer. I dont want to flash trinity kernel because i heard that it has worst battery life then motley(IDK if this true). Rasberry will be ok with motley?
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rasbean jelly will be fine with motleys kernel. but id say that trinity is better on battery life

simms22 said:
rasbean jelly will be fine with motleys kernel. but id say that trinity is better on battery life
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I installed Trinity+Paranoid=3800 in quad.
On Motley+Paranoid=4700
Both on 1.6... Isn`t intresting?

DeFcOn said:
I installed Trinity+Paranoid=3800 in quad.
On Motley+Paranoid=4700
Both on 1.6... Isn`t intresting?
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you should figure out how to bench properly before comparing benchmarks. so no, not interesting. you get a wide variety of scores when you let the device scale. quadrant doesnt toll the cpu enough, and you might have only tested one or two cores at a lower cpu. rasbean jelly and trinity, isnt that intetesting :silly:
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simms22 said:
you should figure out how to bench properly before comparing benchmarks. so no, not interesting. you get a wide variety of scores when you let the device scale. quadrant doesnt toll the cpu enough, and you might have only tested one or two cores at a lower cpu. rasbean jelly and trinity, isnt that intetesting :silly:
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I have 4 question : Does rasberry have tablet ui? How can i test the cpu at the max? Performance governor? (It does the same as intreractive) Why do you have such a high I/O score? I have about 1800. What vesion of N7 do you have? And you have 3 times better score at 2D.

OK 2D score boosted by enabling Force GPU rendering. What about I/O?

DeFcOn said:
I have 4 question : Does rasberry have tablet ui? How can i test the cpu at the max? Performance governor? (It does the same as intreractive) Why do you have such a high I/O score? I have about 1800. What vesion of N7 do you have? And you have 3 times better score at 2D.
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1. rasbean jelly does not have tablet ui
2. set the cpu at top speed for the highest and top speed for the lowest.
3. i prefer ondemand/deadline. performance governor is terrible.
4. turn off fsync for higher i/o(in the filesystem or with a cpu control app. i use the trimity kernel toolbox. and run the ext4 mount script for extra i/o(the trinity kernel toolbox automatically runs the ext4 mount script when opened the first time, but you need to disable fsync manually).
5. go to the devices main settings, developer options, enable force gpu rendering for a higher 2D score.
6. i have a wifi only n7, 16gb.
7. youll need an app to disable tegra hotplug and enable all four cores if you want to go that route. the kernel would have to support it. trinity does, im not sure about motley(i think it does too). many benchmarks dont toll the quadcore enough to get accurate results. so you have to make sure that all 4 cores are used.
8. you can overclock or underclock the gpu with trinity kernel also.

What file in system i have to edit to run a command when its booting. I remember it was hw_config.sh in GingerBread ROMs... But i cant find it now...

DeFcOn said:
What file in system i have to edit to run a command when its booting. I remember it was hw_config.sh in GingerBread ROMs... But i cant find it now...
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you need init.d files to run scripts upon bootup. not all roms support init.d scripts(rasbean doesnt), but there are flashable mods to give roms init.d support.

Thank you a lot for the help. Now i have 6500 in Quadrant. You are a great man :angel:

DeFcOn said:
Thank you a lot for the help. Now i have 6500 in Quadrant. You are a great man :angel:
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much better! :victory:

simms22 said:
much better! :victory:
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I don't want to piss you off but can you post here your antutu benchmark screenshot where i can see the detailed score? I want to know where my nexus defeats coz i have only 13500.

DeFcOn said:
I don't want to piss you off but can you post here your antutu benchmark screenshot where i can see the detailed score? I want to know where my nexus defeats coz i have only 13500.
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lol @ pissing me off.. :angel:
my guess is that youre getting thermal throttled. find a way, like a fan, to cool off your device while benchmarking(dont stick it in a fridge as condensation in the device can ruin it). heres my last antutu..

simms22 said:
lol @ pissing me off.. :angel:
my guess is that youre getting thermal throttled. find a way, like a fan, to cool off your device while benchmarking(dont stick it in a fridge as condensation in the device can ruin it). heres my last antutu..
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620Mhz? LOL :laugh:

I have pretty same score. Only the CPU integer, floating point, 3D is lower. Probably because you're runing at 1.7 Ghz. Right?:cyclops:

DeFcOn said:
620Mhz? LOL :laugh:
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DeFcOn said:
I have pretty same score. Only the CPU integer, floating point, 3D is lower. Probably because you're runing at 1.7 Ghz. Right?:cyclops:
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yea, 1.7ghz. with tegra hotplug disabled, all 4 cores running.
btw, a while back there was a 2ghz kernel which almost no one could run at 2ghz. i hit 8998 in quadrant, almost 9000!
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found it, its not a jelly bean kernel though, wouldnt be compatible with recent roms.
lol

simms22 said:
yea, 1.7ghz. with tegra hotplug disabled, all 4 cores running.
btw, a while back there was a 2ghz kernel which almost no one could run at 2ghz. i hit 8998 in quadrant, almost 9000!
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found it, its not a jelly bean kernel though, wouldnt be compatible with recent roms.
lol
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45° that's is how hot your nexus? Mine never go higher than 37°

DeFcOn said:
45° that's is how hot your nexus? Mine never go higher than 37°
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yours gos hotter. are you looking at cpu temp or your battery temp? 37C is body temperature, its not hot at all. your cpu will get hotter even, 45C is cool for the cpu, especially when pushing it. i can easily get it to the cpu shutdown temp if i want to, cpu shutdown is at 100C. cpu temp you need an app to see, battery temp is listed in settings.

Gaming on the Find 5

Hello fellow Find 5 friends! ( say that 5 times fast :laugh: )
As we all know the Find 5 packs a:
Qualcomm S4 Pro APQ8064
Krait 200 CPU: 4 cores @ 1.5GHz
Adreno 320: 400MHz
2GB RAM @ 533 MHz dual channel
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in its belly, and shares this with quite a list of phones:
Asus PadFone 2
HTC Droid DNA
HTC J Butterfly
LG Optimus G
Nexus 4
Pantech Vega No.6
Pantech Vega R3
Sharp Aquos Phone Zeta
Sony Xperia UL
Sony Xperia Z
Sony Xperia ZL
Sony Xperia ZR
Xiaomi MI-2
Panasonic P-02E
Note that some new devices (the Nexus 7 2013 is a good example) has a "S4 Pro" SoC in the spec sheet, but is actually a lower-binned / lower-clocked 600 chip [APQ8064–1AA to be exact] and uses Krait 300 CPU cores and therefore outperforms its Krait 200 cousins in the Nexus 4 / Find 5 / etc.
The silicon is quite formidable- and led pack until the release of Qualcomm's 600 and 800 chips. Although some argue that the Adreno 320 is slightly underpowered for 1080p, the point is the Find 5 packs alot of power.
However despite this custom ROM gaming performance was poor initially:
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Some games apparently hang the device. Others, such as Ingress, work perfectly.
Problem is our display subsystem is a really nasty hackjob that is a mix of early 4.1 source code (Oppo's original baseline) and 4.2 stuff. Ideally, it will eventually be a pure CAF jb2.5 branch baseline - this is what most other CM devices are on or going to. Some stuff is easy to rebase, some is harder. I have a feeling I'm probably going to fix the camera the same way as the Sony and Samsung guys did it - copypasta the entire camera subsystem drivers from the original baseline and use those. (The camera drivers in the kernel seem isolated enough that it works fine on Samsung and Sony qcoms.) Biggest thing is the power management, especially charging - Oppo made major changes here to Qualcomm's early-4.1 baseline, AND Qualcomm made major changes to this code. As a result, getting that stuff right and properly merged is gonna be a PITA. It's sort-of-barely working in the codebase on my personal github, but it's doing all sorts of stuff it shouldn't, and also not doing stuff it should (like charging from USB). The standby power drain is also insane, which is strange since the newer CAF codebase should be MORE power efficient, not less.
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However since the 4.2 kernel rebase gaming performance has dramatically improved in my testing. This no doubt is related to all the kernel display changes work from our wonderful developers made possible by Oppo who released the sources for 4.2..
So pick up a ROM / kernel combination that has this 4.2 goodness and feel improvements across the board! Here is a list of the ROMs:
Color ROM [formerly known as Project Firefly] v1.0.0_33xx and later
Maxwen's AOKP 20130810 and later
CM10.1 Official Nightly 20130810 and later
CodefireX
IMPORTANT NOTE- CUSTOM ROMS USE THE 4.1 MODEM FIRMWARE
This means if you've flashed a 4.2 Color ROM and want to move to a custom ROM, you MUST flash the modem firmware from a 4.1 Color ROM before flashing a custom ROM or else WIFI WILL NOT WORK. Simply flash the 4.1 Color ROM (or the firmware package) and then flash the custom ROM immdediately after, you do not need to boot the 4.1 Color ROM.
Now back to the actual thread, I thought it would be helpful to compile a master list of games that work and don't work (for whatever reason) and use this as a future reference and for troubleshooting. Feel free to contribute: just the game name, your experience on it and if possible your ROM / kernel configuration.
My device settings:
Latest Maxwen AOKP / kernel
MP-Decision: Off
Multicore Power Saving: 0
CPU: 162MHz / 1.134 GHz
Governor: smartmax_eps
CPUQuiet: load_stats
GPU: 400 MHz
Governor: simple
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PLAYS FLAWLESSLY
7x7
Asphalt 7: Heat
Cut the Rope / HD
Fieldrunners 2
Formerly crashed after logo load, reinstall fixed it. Perhaps file was corrupted first time downloading?
Flow Free
GTA: Vice City
Infinite Flight
Make sure to update to the latest to fix crashing.
Ingress
PewPew
PewPew 2
Plants vs Zombies
Plasma Sky
Rymdkapsel
SpeedX 3D
Super Hexagon
The Conduit HD
The Room
Tiny Thief
True Skate
PLAYABLE, BUT WITH ISSUES
Eufloria HD
Can play on max settings as well as the best device but will still stutter. Game not as optimized as it could be. Heats up fast!
Need For Speed: Most Wanted
Not perfect frame rate, experiment with governors / OC.
Osmos HD
Slight fps drops from time to time, heats up the phone pretty fast. Otherwise no problems
Subway Surfer
Not fully optimized, occasional fps drops / stuttering. Heats up phone pretty fast. Otherwise no problems.
Trial Xtreme 3
Occasional choppy sound.
BROKEN
NBA JAM
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EMULATORS
With the release of DraStic I felt it was time to add a section for emulators. I will list them by console rather than app.
DS
DraStic is my emulator of choice. I'll leave the feature list to the developer, but the biggest draw is that it is very fast. Since version 2.1.1a (released 8/1x/2013) the DS BIOS file is no longer needed for unencrypted ROMs. If my word (and the word of many across the internet) is not enough to convince you to drop $8, there is a demo version of the app (full functionality, 20 minute limit)
Some select quotes from the FAQ:
Q: Does DraStic support 3DS games? Will it in the future?
A: No, it does not and never will. 3DS is an entirely different system, a full generation ahead, like N64 to Gamecube.
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Q: How fast should I expect DraStic to be?
A: It varies greatly depending on the game you're trying to run. A device with 1GHz Cortex-A8 will run many games with a fair amount of frameskip. A 1.4+GHz dual-core Cortex-A9 will run most games with little or no frameskip most of the time.
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Q: Does it help to have multiple CPU cores?
A: Yes. If you have multiple cores DraStic is sped up by being able to offload screen update tasks to another thread. If you select the multi-threaded renderer option you will get even more benefit, but this option can cause graphical glitches and instability.
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Q: Are MOGA controllers supported?
A: It is possible to make it work by installing Moga Universal Driver from Google Play. We are currently working on including native support.
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Q: Does DraStic use my GPU to render graphics? Does it help to have a faster GPU
A: The GPU is only used to scale the image and apply filters so having a better one won't make much difference. OpenGL ES is not used to render the Nintendo DS graphics. This is because of idiosynchracies in the DS graphics hardware that would make this style of emulation incomplete and/or slow.
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Q: Does DraStic support homebrew games?
A: Currently many homebrew games are not supported because DraStic does not yet support DLDI filesystem integration which many homebrew games rely on. This is a planned feature for a later date.
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I have only played a few games (namely ones that have simple controls) and they have been flawless.
My settings:
Frameskip: Auto [4]
Filter: Scale2X
Multi-threaded 3D rendering: Off [haven't played a game that needs it]
Sound Latency: Medium [Low is the best quality but introduces some clicking in my testing]
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Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Justice for All
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations

Well I don't game much but even the lightest game I play, Rage of Bahamut, lags worse than on any other Handset I tried it.
Also I have to admit that on AOSP Roms even the interaction with the UI feels like there is something wrong with the phone. Compared to a Nexus 4 or a S3 or S4 the UI lags or slows down everywhere from time to time...

I don't play many games, in fact I only play Tekken Card Tournament. But since I have got my Find 5 the game always crash my phone, sometimes already after seconds.
Hope the devs will fix this soon and get the phone stable. Currently using cm10.1 and maxwen kernel.
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Updated OP with some new findings and reports from other users and developers. Found a fix for the performance issues (ended up being an extension of a weird interaction I found)
Basically, if the game / application lags, turn the screen off and on again without exiting the application- upon resuming the lag should be gone!

House of the Dead
+ Playable, seem to run smooth at high fps.
+ Responsive controls.
- Random crashes (general game issue, not device or rom).
Street Fighter 4
+ Playable, high fps
- Audio feedback delayed

Gaming performance on color rom.is much better than previous roms
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Any free game that I can us to reproduce the issues?
It should happen as fast and as often as possible

Carmageddon free reboots. I can't. Logcat, I have the temp issue and cm is broken for me.
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Please give latest test kernel build a try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44033660&postcount=646
I have included a few CAF fixes in the display driver and would be
very interessted if they change anything in games that have issues

I have one positive report on oppoforum that with latest test
kernel games issues are gone
please give it a try and report back

that's great news, unfortunately for me I still get low frame rate, although it seems better than before.
screen off / on trick still works fine
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DarK_MischieF said:
that's great news, unfortunately for me I still get low frame rate, although it seems better than before.
screen off / on trick still works fine
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can you provide another kernel log taken when it happens

maxwen said:
can you provide another kernel log taken when it happens
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sure can, can I get specific instructions? I did it once and I don't think the results were what you were looking for
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DarK_MischieF said:
sure can, can I get specific instructions? I did it once and I don't think the results were what you were looking for
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I have to admit that I lost your last log somewhere
I would need both a logcat and a kernel log
simply attach your device via adb and run
Code:
adb logcat
adb shell dmesg
copy the output of both commands into a file and upload it

maxwen said:
I have to admit that I lost your last log somewhere
I would need both a logcat and a kernel log
simply attach your device via adb and run
Code:
adb logcat
adb shell dmesg
copy the output of both commands into a file and upload it
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I think I'm doing something wrong- I have the device connected via adb, then I launch the game and start the logcat / desg (adb logcat < log.txt). The device hard reboots after about 10 seconds. After it finished I run (adb shell cat /proc/last_msg > kmsg.txt) to get the last_kmsg
Oddly the frame rate is actually better while connected to ADB and logging then normal (of course nowhere close to post screen on/off).
logcat
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B77jyXOXVTlRZEFOYW1iQ1ItOEk/edit?usp=sharing
dmesg
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B77jyXOXVTlRejFCaGVQbW5YLXM/edit?usp=sharing
kmsg
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B77jyXOXVTlRVWEwYWJNZExZMjg/edit?usp=sharing

Well - the low framerate is because device is spilling to logs
and that slows down everything
Right now I am unable to identify a change in CAF that "could" fix this issue
Problem is also that I still dont have an easy way to reproduce this here
so I can not even do some trial-and-error things.

maxwen said:
Well - the low framerate is because device is spilling to logs
and that slows down everything
Right now I am unable to identify a change in CAF that "could" fix this issue
Problem is also that I still dont have an easy way to reproduce this here
so I can not even do some trial-and-error things.
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Of course I/O and CPU would be spent logging and frame rate would suffer, but when I was testing the FPS was actually higher than it is usually even with the logging in process- maybe because it was plugged in through USB?
Did I do the logs correctly? I don't know why my logs are so damn big!

DarK_MischieF said:
Of course I/O and CPU would be spent logging and frame rate would suffer, but when I was testing the FPS was actually higher than it is usually even with the logging in process- maybe because it was plugged in through USB?
Did I do the logs correctly? I don't know why my logs are so damn big!
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yes they are pretty fine
still I dont see any free game where this happens - right?
I need a way to reproduce it
If you tell me that it happens with "cut the rope HD" I would be willing
to spent the bucks but I need to be sure cause with the "normal" free one
it hasnt happend so far

maxwen said:
yes they are pretty fine
still I dont see any free game where this happens - right?
I need a way to reproduce it
If you tell me that it happens with "cut the rope HD" I would be willing
to spent the bucks but I need to be sure cause with the "normal" free one
it hasnt happend so far
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Okay excellent, I'll install the free version, and report back in 10 minutes with a log if I see frame rate issues after a clean reboot, would that help?
I also suspect I have the Chinese version (seller wasn't clear)- according to Oppo there is only a band difference (1700)- but maybe thats a hidden confounding variable?

DarK_MischieF said:
Okay excellent, I'll install the free version, and report back in 10 minutes with a log if I see frame rate issues after a clean reboot, would that help?
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sure
DarK_MischieF said:
I also suspect I have the Chinese version (seller wasn't clear)- according to Oppo there is only a band difference (1700)- but maybe thats a hidden confounding variable?
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dont think so

Possibility of GPU OC @ more than 487mhz?

Well, as we all know, the the Adreno 320 on the s4 pro is barely capable enough for our device's resolution.
A lot of new games like Dead trigger 2 and Dead effect are struggling to provide decent framerates. Over clocking the cpu does not improve
anything. (I disabled thermal throttling to ensure the processors are not being throttled down)
So, we do need more Graphics prowess.
If thermal problems will arise by doing so, why don't we just UC the cpu and OC the GPU? Then do a mild undervolt.
Well, do you guys think the same as I do?
Will you not find it awesome to see devs implementing GPU OC of more than
487mhz? Or is it just not possible hardware wise?
Let's all talk about it here.
EDIT:
It seems like Riptide GP 2 is struggling as well, and it's not even at max settings..

tiktakt0w said:
Well, as we all know, the the Adreno 320 on the s4 pro is barely capable enough for our device's resolution.
A lot of new games like Dead trigger 2 and Dead effect are struggling to provide decent framerates. Over clocking the cpu does not improve
anything. (I disabled thermal throttling to ensure the processors are not being throttled down)
So, we do need more Graphics prowess.
If thermal problems will arise by doing so, why don't we just UC the cpu and OC the GPU? Then do a mild undervolt.
Well, do you guys think the same as I do?
Will you not find it awesome to see devs implementing GPU OC of more than
487mhz? Or is it just not possible hardware wise?
Let's all talk about it here.
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How high fps do you get in dead trigger 2?
EDIT:
Just tried one level in that game, and the average FPS was 48.
Thats on stock cpu/gpu clock and no uv or ov, and with thermald enabled.
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I also didnt see any sort of lags in it It didnt feal at all as the device was having problems having enough power in that game.

tiktakt0w said:
Well, as we all know, the the Adreno 320 on the s4 pro is barely capable enough for our device's resolution.
A lot of new games like Dead trigger 2 and Dead effect are struggling to provide decent framerates. Over clocking the cpu does not improve
anything. (I disabled thermal throttling to ensure the processors are not being throttled down)
So, we do need more Graphics prowess.
If thermal problems will arise by doing so, why don't we just UC the cpu and OC the GPU? Then do a mild undervolt.
Well, do you guys think the same as I do?
Will you not find it awesome to see devs implementing GPU OC of more than
487mhz? Or is it just not possible hardware wise?
Let's all talk about it here.
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wtf?!
the s4 pro is moar than capable.
yeah well on my Xperia Z (s4 pro too) there is a kernel with 627 mhz gpu oc, but for what?
This chipset only has a lot heating problems,no performance problems, nuff' more.
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anders3408 said:
How high fps do you get in dead trigger 2?
EDIT:
Just tried one level in that game, and the average FPS was 48.
Thats on stock cpu/gpu clock and no uv or ov, and with thermald enabled.
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I also didnt see any sort of lags in it It didnt feal at all as the device was having problems having enough power in that game.
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I forgot to mention that it is perfectly playable on default settings, try enabling the "Very high" settings from options and you'll understand why I made this thread in the first place. (on dead trigger 2 and dead effect)
Tommy-Geenexus said:
wtf?!
the s4 pro is moar than capable.
yeah well on my Xperia Z (s4 pro too) there is a kernel with 627 mhz gpu oc, but for what?
This chipset only has a lot heating problems,no performance problems, nuff' more.
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Why don't you try download DT2 and repeat the steps above?
I assure you, the frame rates will be choppy enough for you to tone down the settings again.

Very high settings are clearly intended for a higher end phone then.

tiktakt0w said:
I forgot to mention that it is perfectly playable on default settings, try enabling the "Very high" settings from options and you'll understand why I made this thread in the first place. (on dead trigger 2 and dead effect)
Why don't you try download DT2 and repeat the steps above?
I assure you, the frame rates will be choppy enough for you to tone down the settings again.
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Nope, everything smooth
But as i said i don't oen a find 5, only a z

Tommy-Geenexus said:
Nope, everything smooth
But as i said i don't oen a find 5, only a z
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That explains everything, go ahead and post at your respective device' forum.
batwingnz said:
Very high settings are clearly intended for a higher end phone then.
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That's why I've been telling that we need more gpu grunt. :silly:

Needs more grunt

batwingnz said:
Needs more grunt
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:silly:

tiktakt0w said:
That explains everything, go ahead and post at your respective device' forum.
That's why I've been telling that we need more gpu grunt. :silly:
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Oc a mobile phone should never be done. There is a reason why Qualcomm limits the CPU and GPU to those MHz and since that is almost the only thing that will break the warranty on find 5 I really hope oc as high as that won't happens. I really think that the oc that's made for now is as high as it should be and future improvements needs to be found else where
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anders3408 said:
Oc a mobile phone should never be done. There is a reason why Qualcomm limits the CPU and GPU to those MHz and since that is almost the only thing that will break the warranty on find 5 I really hope oc as high as that won't happens. I really think that the oc that's made for now is as high as it should be and future improvements needs to be found else where
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Thanks for the insight Anders!
I was just hoping to see a slight bump in mhz, 500-525mhz not 600+ or something.

tiktakt0w said:
Thanks for the insight Anders!
I was just hoping to see a slight bump in mhz, 500-525mhz not 600+ or something.
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That's way to much I think , stock GPU freq is 320 MHz iirc always remember its a phone , not a pc also the limitations will be the SoC at the end but it should be able to improve a bit without a higher freq, will test that game again later on to see what freq I can do at that settings
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anders3408 said:
That's way to much I think , stock GPU freq is 320 MHz iirc always remember its a phone , not a pc also the limitations will be the SoC at the end but it should be able to improve a bit without a higher freq, will test that game again later on to see what freq I can do at that settings
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Thanks! Please do.
Btw, isn't the stock clock @ 400Mhz???

Maximizing the X Play - GeekBrnch3

Hi all,
I've recently installed the overclocked kernel from squid and am having some trouble reaching the same benchmarks that he has hit. I am running stock MM with row 128 I/O and adreno-tz on the GPU. CPU is lionfish with min frequencies 800 on both clusters. I think squid is running CM13.
I consistently score between 680-740 single and 2680-2800 multi. Does this look about right for stock MM with the overlooked kernel?
Any help maximizing this would be greatly appreciated. I know these scores have (probably) very little to do with real-world use but if I can get more out of my device then why not.
Thank you for any insight!

XxMikeMasterxX said:
Hi all,
I've recently installed the overclocked kernel from squid and am having some trouble reaching the same benchmarks that he has hit. I am running stock MM with row 128 I/O and adreno-tz on the GPU. CPU is lionfish with min frequencies 800 on both clusters. I think squid is running CM13.
I consistently score between 680-740 single and 2680-2800 multi. Does this look about right for stock MM with the overlooked kernel?
Any help maximizing this would be greatly appreciated. I know these scores have (probably) very little to do with real-world use but if I can get more out of my device then why not.
Thank you for any insight!
EDIT: Moderator - could you please edit the title of the post and correct the typo? GeekBench, not Brnch. Thanks!
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Try with simple on demand in gpu.
I will try this app today.
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K.khiladi said:
Try with simple on demand in gpu.
I will try this app today.
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Hey pal. Thanks for your feedback. Nice to see your response. I'll try it out as you suggest. I've been running a bunch of tests and it's looking like I hover around 740-50 single and 2700-50 multi. I've changed the configuration to default squid, so interactive governor and aggressive frequency settings. Needless to say the performance sure is snappy. Hahaha.
I'll likely revert to lionfish 800 on both clusters but this interactive snappiness is tempting...

Exactly 700 and 2700 with the oc kernel, stock brazil mm. Not even kidding. Although i sincerely doubt anything but a "native" extension can accurately measure a device performance, there is too much virtual machine and abstractions between hardware and software. Then again, this limitation applies to almost all apps, eg the normal usecase...

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My score
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K.khiladi said:
My score
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Looks to be about mine as well. What's your setup?
I got similar scores with lionfish, 800 both clusters. OCed kernel.

AtomicStryker said:
Exactly 700 and 2700 with the oc kernel, stock brazil mm. Not even kidding. Although i sincerely doubt anything but a "native" extension can accurately measure a device performance, there is too much virtual machine and abstractions between hardware and software. Then again, this limitation applies to almost all apps, eg the normal usecase...
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What's your setup, Atomic?

Running
Temasek's CM 4.1
OC Kernel with interactive and row 256kbps

XxMikeMasterxX said:
Looks to be about mine as well. What's your setup?
I got similar scores with lionfish, 800 both clusters. OCed kernel.
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Interactive. Base frequencies on both clusters 200. Overcharged squid kernel.
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TxaEkis said:
Running
Temasek's CM 4.1
OC Kernel with interactive and row 256kbps
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Cm seems to be set for higher benchmarks.
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Yeah does it ever. Stock gives me max 770 single 2815 multi. I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle of ROM switching to get those extra points. Would I really see the performance difference?
Although I am tempted to try a new ROM. Would be fun...so long as I use Titanium Backup properly. Hahaha

XxMikeMasterxX said:
Yeah does it ever. Stock gives me max 770 single 2815 multi. I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle of ROM switching to get those extra points. Would I really see the performance difference?
Although I am tempted to try a new ROM. Would be fun...so long as I use Titanium Backup properly. Hahaha
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If you are happy with stock don't bother as you won't even notice those extra points in the benchmark. I changed roms for the extra features and cm themes and i was getting random lag until i changed to interactive and row, now is very smooth and zero lag

TxaEkis said:
If you are happy with stock don't bother as you won't even notice those extra points in the benchmark. I changed roms for the extra features and cm themes and i was getting random lag until i changed to interactive and row, now is very smooth and zero lag
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Interactive is a great governor yeah. Thanks for your response regarding the ROM. I hear that CM13 is still a little shaky on the X Play but maybe I'll try the next release just to compare. I'll try a full discharge from 100% with default squid's OC kernel values. If I can still get >7 hours SOT with that setup and snappy performance I'll be thrilled.

XxMikeMasterxX said:
Yeah does it ever. Stock gives me max 770 single 2815 multi. I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle of ROM switching to get those extra points. Would I really see the performance difference?
Although I am tempted to try a new ROM. Would be fun...so long as I use Titanium Backup properly. Hahaha
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This is miniscule difference. It doesn't create a great performance difference between stock and custom Roms. The benchmarks most of the time shows the raw power of the device but the optimisation of the software also is needed.
You can try custom Roms to get extra functionality but there are still bugs in them.
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K.khiladi said:
This is miniscule difference. It doesn't create a great performance difference between stock and custom Roms. The benchmarks most of the time shows the raw power of the device but the optimisation of the software also is needed.
You can try custom Roms to get extra functionality but there are still bugs in them.
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Nicely said. Performance and stability are key for me. Battery life too. Haha. I just love the X Play for that battery. 5 hours SOT and 21%. So lovely.

I had carefully tuned CM13 to get the best performance out of this device, so it and derivatives will give better performance than the defaults in stock. You can see some of my configuration here: https://github.com/moto8916/android_device_motorola_lux/blob/cm-13.0/rootdir/etc/init.target.rc Beyond that, some higher level parts of the ROM are better optimized on custom ROMs than stock, so that also improves performance.
For reference, here is my last score with the new (OC) kernel:

squid2 said:
I had carefully tuned CM13 to get the best performance out of this device, so it and derivatives will give better performance than the defaults in stock. You can see some of my configuration here: https://github.com/moto8916/android_device_motorola_lux/blob/cm-13.0/rootdir/etc/init.target.rc Beyond that, some higher level parts of the ROM are better optimized on custom ROMs than stock, so that also improves performance.
For reference, here is my last score with the new (OC) kernel:
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Hey squid,
Looks interesting. I think CM13 is definitely worth a look. I think I'll try the next release. Thanks for explaining the customizations/optimizations you've done.

Frankly, i couldn't care less about some number a synthetic benchmark spits out. The number 1 consideration is how long the battery lasts, then (a long way off) how quickly "heavy" apps such as firefox launch. Last i read CM13 isn't as good as stock at conserving power.

AtomicStryker said:
Frankly, i couldn't care less about some number a synthetic benchmark spits out. The number 1 consideration is how long the battery lasts, then (a long way off) how quickly "heavy" apps such as firefox launch. Last i read CM13 isn't as good as stock at conserving power.
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Battery life is quintessential for me, too. I was hoping to strike a balance between performance and battery (hence the Optimal Setup thread) and am still trying to discern what the best setup is to meet my requirements.
I'd like to try a custom ROM at some point, but that's my curiosity more than anything.
Battery life on the X Play can't be beat! That's why I got it.

Moto x play is no slough, I just ran a test between my nexus 6 and MXP,
Most apps actually open faster on the moto x.
Scrolling through Web pages and g+ the nexus 6 is smoother

flashallthetime said:
Moto x play is no slough, I just ran a test between my nexus 6 and MXP,
Most apps actually open faster on the moto x.
Scrolling through Web pages and g+ the nexus 6 is smoother
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Yep. I'd expect that. Still though - if properly customized this phone can really fly.

Terrible performance in games

Hello,
I have an h918 on Tmobile. Recently i've noticed that any high end games I try to play turn into slideshows after a few minutes.
Yesterday I replaced the CPU thermal paste with Arctic Silver and changed my thermal conf file.
I get a better score in benchmarks, but still get the slideshow after a few minutes. One main example is Order and Chaos 2.
I've got all settings on low also. The rest of the phone is very fast though...Anybody have a fix?
Super rom - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/rom-superv20-h918-t3764390
Thermal file - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/themes/mod-fix-cpu-throttling-charging-gaming-t3650705
Ex Kernel in performance mode and nothing else running.
Went from 120k to 158k in Antutu after thermal paste change.
Edit: Now running with little cores on Performance and big on blu_active. Max gpu clock at 624mhz.
I also tried setting max background processes to 1 in dev options.

slayerh4x said:
Hello,
I have an h918 on Tmobile. Recently i've noticed that any high end games I try to play turn into slideshows after a few minutes.
Yesterday I replaced the CPU thermal paste with Arctic Silver and changed my thermal conf file.
I get a better score in benchmarks, but still get the slideshow after a few minutes. One main example is Order and Chaos 2.
I've got all settings on low also. The rest of the phone is very fast though...Anybody have a fix?
Super rom - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/rom-superv20-h918-t3764390
Thermal file - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/themes/mod-fix-cpu-throttling-charging-gaming-t3650705
Ex Kernel in performance mode and nothing else running.
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Are you rooted? If yes then install kernel adiutor and check your max gpu cloock speed. Mine drop to 316mhz whenever the phone gets hot, but setting it to max clock speed (624mhz) prior to opening games works for me.

slayerh4x said:
Hello,
I have an h918 on Tmobile. Recently i've noticed that any high end games I try to play turn into slideshows after a few minutes.
Yesterday I replaced the CPU thermal paste with Arctic Silver and changed my thermal conf file.
I get a better score in benchmarks, but still get the slideshow after a few minutes. One main example is Order and Chaos 2.
I've got all settings on low also. The rest of the phone is very fast though...Anybody have a fix?
Super rom - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/rom-superv20-h918-t3764390
Thermal file - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/themes/mod-fix-cpu-throttling-charging-gaming-t3650705
Ex Kernel in performance mode and nothing else running.
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You should use the mk2000 BTTF kernel if you aren't already, set your big cores to blu_active governor and your LITTTLE cores to performance. Make sure Max GPU clock is 624mhz and then run games and report back. This is the exact setting I use on my H918 running alpha rom and PUBG runs very smooth at 50-60FPS, phone barely gets hot and I've not even done any thermal paste mods.

I am rooted and on that mk2000 kernel too.
I tried doing these settings and it started off working great... I thought it was fixed.
After about 10 minutes it dropped back down to 3-5 fps and back to a slideshow afterwards.
My phone doesn't even feel hot either... so weird.

Try running this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest
See what your results are.

10 minute run with the default 20 threads.
I closed everything except Pandora, like when I play a game.
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10 minute run with the default 20 threads.
I closed everything except Pandora, like when I play a game.
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Huh. I was hoping that would show real degradation. Guess not.
Maybe it's a game issue, and less about the phone itself? Sorry man, I got nothin.

Mnementh666 said:
Huh. I was hoping that would show real degradation. Guess not.
Maybe it's a game issue, and less about the phone itself? Sorry man, I got nothin.
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I know dude this sucks.... one guy on my ROMs thread suggested that maybe I didn't put enough paste on.
What I used was a little old too. So i ordered a new tube from Amazon and will reapply tonight. Maybe that will help.
Do you think something could be messed up with my kernel or rom?

I was just looking in the thermal-engine-8996.conf file.
The set_points for CPUs are 85/65 under most sections.
Under [Kryo_SS] the set_point is 40/38.5.
I couldn't find a definition for Kryo_SS and those values are half of the others. Could this be my issue?
Also tested on different games such as Nitro Nation 6. I got an app that shows temps in the status bar and its between 50c-71c.

slayerh4x said:
I was just looking in the thermal-engine-8996.conf file.
The set_points for CPUs are 85/65 under most sections.
Under [Kryo_SS] the set_point is 40/38.5.
I couldn't find a definition for Kryo_SS and those values are half of the others. Could this be my issue?
Also tested on different games such as Nitro Nation 6. I got an app that shows temps in the status bar and its between 50c-71c.
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May i have the name of that app to have the temps in the status bar?

Sounds to me like a faulty phone. I would consider myself a hard core mobile gamer and my v20 runs a like a champ. I run games like pubg and everything is fine. I do use l speed and set it to gaming and performance for that extra kick.

XsaucerX said:
May i have the name of that app to have the temps in the status bar?
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CPU Monitor, green icon.

Okay so last night I applied a different thermal compound. The one I used is for low contact pressure CPUs.
This stuff was like mercury, so runny.
I wiped my device and did a clean install of my ROM. Now everything seems to be great...
So... It was either not enough paste, bad paste or something with an app.
Thanks for the help everyone.

Mnementh666 said:
Huh. I was hoping that would show real degradation. Guess not.
Maybe it's a game issue, and less about the phone itself? Sorry man, I got nothin.
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His phone clearly is locked at 1.47GHz and not at 2+ which is why you see the steady difference. the MIPS should be 65+ in throttling test.
Mine on lineage 15.1 stays at 55-60 too at 1.1GHz even after thermal paste change. Probably something bad with the kernel. I even set governors to userspace or ondemand but it doesn't do anything. Even set big cores minimum clock to 1.5GHz still it locks at 1.1GHz.
slayerh4x said:
Okay so last night I applied a different thermal compound. The one I used is for low contact pressure CPUs.
This stuff was like mercury, so runny.
I wiped my device and did a clean install of my ROM. Now everything seems to be great...
So... It was either not enough paste, bad paste or something with an app.
Thanks for the help everyone.
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Can you link the thermal compound?

dark_prince said:
His phone clearly is locked at 1.47GHz and not at 2+ which is why you see the steady difference. the MIPS should be 65+ in throttling test.
Mine on lineage 15.1 stays at 55-60 too at 1.1GHz even after thermal paste change. Probably something bad with the kernel. I even set governors to userspace or ondemand but it doesn't do anything. Even set big cores minimum clock to 1.5GHz still it locks at 1.1GHz.
Can you link the thermal compound?
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https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-Conductonaut-extra-Applicators/dp/B078J4PSHM/ref=sr_1_12?dd=FOXG1v3D2jw5F2kJqVhekw%2C%2C&ie=UTF8&qid=1530560151&sr=8-12&keywords=coollaboratory&refinements=p_90%3A8308921011

Trying this out after changing my thermal paste again since I put too much the 1st time. Is anyone else getting conflicting results from CPU temp apps? I've tried like 4 apps so far including the one the OP had in his status bar and every single app has shown a different temp for the CPU. Anyone have any input? I'm not well versed in sensors and stuff so maybe 1 app is pulling info from a different sensor than what the other app is showing???

Same here friend. I have an LS997 and it is terible at gaming. For PUBG Mobile, at first I can play it with balance graphic, medium frame rate. After few minutes, the phone becomes hot and game is turn to slow-motion mode.
Since I don't have root so the only thing I expect is Oreo would solved the issue. However, issue still persists

slayerh4x said:
https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Griz...ds=coollaboratory&refinements=p_90:8308921011
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Well of course your getting better temps your using Liquid Metal for cooling, which is normally used on de-lidding high-end Intel CPU's for PC's to make them run considerably cooler...normally a difference of 10-15c on that alone...I'm gonna use Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut cause I'm cheap lol