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So it was confirmed by a Sony employee that unlocking the bootloader on the Z3C results in the loss of advanced camera algorithms which affect low light photography. This had me wondering whether this is the same on Z2?
It seems the algorithms are protected by the DRM keys and once these are lost the functionality becomes limited.
I unlocked my Z2 just before the root exploit and lost my keys. I didn't notice a drop in camera quality, but did anyone else?
Does this put you off buying a Sony device in the future?
Personally I use a DSLR and my phone is just for quick snaps so it's not a big deal, but for some it will be.
Discuss.
Link to confirmation here.
I after purchase of phone reflected to open bootloader, but nevertheless decided to wait there will be root on the closed boot so far, and I made to myself a backup, strange but for some reason when by missing drm keys, xreality dosn't work, and modify supervivid, and the way so far to restore work or to make working supervivid and xreality on the unblocked bootloader isn't present
I dont think this is generaly true unless we have solid evidance becsuse sony only made the quality dim after BLU on Z1 because it protected sonys methods of image proccessing
They made it untouchable in Z2 so why would they revert to lesser tech again
Also that link doesnt fully conferm much, this may potentialy be a hicup from sony
Edit- now that i think about it.. Since it is new camera tech they may have had to do this due to not being able to lock their content like they did with Z2
It is true I experienced myself after I backed up my TA, First thing I did was unlocked the bootloader and checked the camera quality and yes I saw that camera quality was decreased and I earlier mentioned it before and no one believed me lol, Even though if you think that it doesn't with future updates such as 4.4.4 android L you might see the changes of the camera due to permanent lost of DRM. So we gotta find a root method for Z3.
chesterr said:
It is true I experienced myself after I backed up my TA, First thing I did was unlocked the bootloader and checked the camera quality and yes I saw that camera quality was decreased and I earlier mentioned it before and no one believed me lol, Even though if you think that it doesn't with future updates such as 4.4.4 android L you might see the changes of the camera due to permanent lost of DRM. So we gotta find a root method for Z3.
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Fair enough
Lets hope sony fix this like they did with Z1
I plan to continue buying xperias untill im dead
Envious_Data said:
Fair enough
Lets hope sony fix this like they did with Z1
I plan to continue buying xperias untill im dead
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Haha so true man but since Sony mentioned that they are having their bionz thingy tangled with DRM keys, I don't think they'll ever fix. Only thing is that we'll need have locked bootloader always. Even if I'm upgrading to Z3 I'll be patiently waiting for LB root before I unlock it :laugh: I hope xscha comes to action. He was the one who actually came up with the method. Great guy he is.
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Haha so true man but since Sony mentioned that they are having their bionz thingy tangled with DRM keys, I don't think they'll ever fix. Only thing is that we'll need have locked bootloader always. Even if I'm upgrading to Z3 I'll be patiently waiting for LB root before I unlock it :laugh: I hope xscha comes to action. He was the one who actually came up with the method. Great guy he is.
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Well drm keys have been an xperia problem for a while and funny enough they souly exist to protect other OEMs from stealing from sony
Not realy there to stop users being users
Lets hope they find a new way to protect their new content
How about relocking the bootloader? Will it restore the image quality?
rodritank said:
How about relocking the bootloader? Will it restore the image quality?
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No.It loses BIONZ and X-reality.
effective said:
No.It loses BIONZ and X-reality.
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Restoring a backed up TA partition does though, does it not?(on the z2).
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Restoring a backed up TA partition does though, does it not?(on the z2).
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Can't give you an answer here.Have an ZR and yes it brings the DRM keys back.But for the z2 im not familiar.
I am very, very disappointed about Sony's move. It makes no sense if you come to think of it.
Since I bought it Monday and my country has a strict return policy (good for consumers), I *might* be able to get a new one without explaining what happened.
However, if I can't get a new one, what's the next step? Download a camera mod perhaps?
EDIT: X-Reality WORKS. I am just not sure about BIONZ. And perhaps future Playstation stuff.
Can anyone with a locked bootloader take a picture of a dark room with a candle? That's easy for everyone to reproduce... and we can compare shots.
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I am very, very disappointed about Sony's move. It makes no sense if you come to think of it.
Since I bought it Monday and my country has a strict return policy (good for consumers), I *might* be able to get a new one without explaining what happened.
However, if I can't get a new one, what's the next step? Download a camera mod perhaps?
EDIT: X-Reality WORKS. I am just not sure about BIONZ. And perhaps future Playstation stuff.
Can anyone with a locked bootloader take a picture of a dark room with a candle? That's easy for everyone to reproduce... and we can compare shots.
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Here are some frome me.
The first 2 are with SAM.
Last one is with Manual.
http://s11.postimg.org/jsbf2f4wj/DSC_0253.jpg
http://s11.postimg.org/3vcn5pcib/DSC_0256.jpg
http://s11.postimg.org/k7ra96g7n/DSC_0257.jpg
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Here are some frome me.
The first 2 are with SAM.
Last one is with Manual.
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AWESOME man! Will take shots once I get home in a few hours!
Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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Can't open the links.
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Can't open the links.
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delete the space between imgur and .com. I don't have 10 posts here so I can't post links
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delete the space between imgur and .com. I don't have 10 posts here so I can't post links
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Don't worry ^^ There is nothing wrong with your camera.
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Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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This also happened to my z3 after BL unlock.. lots of noise on pictures specially in low light shots.
If you come to think about it, it's not thaaat bad. It noises just like an iPhone would do (which, for me, isn't a big deal).
It seems the only thing the DRM does is to apply a filter/denoiser/blur to the pics.
Is this related to BIONZ? If BIONZ is a hardware feature, it's most unlikely that an unlocked bootloader would do anything (unless it's like the Xbox 360 and e-fuses).
X-Reality is pretty lame to be honest. It justs "HDRs" all of your images. Nothing too serious. And it only does that to images and movies, not the UI.
Now I am just concerned about future Playstation features like of that stream thing - remote play for PS4.
@effective: did you do anything to your pics? They seem to miss the EXIF data. I wonder if a Locked Bootloader would produce a different JPEG header?
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/04/2...capture-in-future-if-there-is-popular-demand/
It's a marketing trick of course, don't worry they'll implement it in future updates
this is the "official" link where you can post your raw request - http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Camera2-API/td-p/974742
suggestion - read 5th post - they want people to ask for raw support and maybe will implement it
I couldn't care less about RAW mode. What is really usefull is manual shutter speed! Good news is, that incorporating RAW mode will probably also mean manual control of shutter speed. So I'm supporting this case
Said it on Reddit and will say here. Sod RAW, give us Camera 2 API so third party apps with decent processing algorithm can access the camera directly.
Z4 should've been the first Android phone with manual shutter control and RAW output.
Why is LG beating Sony in the camera department? That's embarrassing.
Manufacturers as HTC and Xiaomi bring some time ago Full Manual controls... So there wasn't reason to don't bring Manual Controls in previous Android versions
I don't really need it, but if most people want it I think they should definitely add it.
Until people have the need to replace prosumer or pro cameras, adding raw into an everyday consumer device (albeit a high-end flagship phone) will just add additional headaches all-around(support calls/emails etc), and not benefit bottom-line (sales). These all-encompassing gaming/social/internet/communication/camera devices are difficult to target a specific audience because they cover such a wide range of users and their different needs and wants.
Everyone's attitude here is they're not happy with the SOC jpegs and expecting RAW will allow them to "do it better" themselves. That's an issue with the processing(that's speculation until raw files can be peeped). This is what Sony needs to fix, not just throwing RAW at us. Most people don't want to process raw files from WB to post-resize sharpening of what they ate just so they can share it on IG. RAW is not something anybody will want to upload without PP. It isn't going to magically make a ****ty camera better. If anything it'll only reveal how good or bad a camera truly is.
So why would Sony obviously, have-to, necessarily, provide this feature in any of their phones? Just because walkmans have a long history, doesn't mean they are going to give you wolfson dacs into the xperia and market it to people who don't care.
That being said. I'd be happy to have the option to take pictures in raw format, but foresee myself barely using it. If I cared enough to take higher quality pictures, I would put in the effort to bring out my actual full frame camera and lens and shoot raw all day long with high quality 60fps capture as well. I'm also going to play with the g4 in the store and check out raw uploads on the net to see what it can do, but not because I am looking to replace an actual camera with it. If you offer up pro features and market it as such - then you better beat other pro options in implementation and results, otherwise I'm not going to take it seriously and mark it as just another half-assed novelty feature and continue to use an actual camera that implements it well.
yeah yeah tl;dr
dobygot said:
Until people have the need to replace prosumer or pro cameras, adding raw into an everyday consumer device (albeit a high-end flagship phone) will just add additional headaches all-around(support calls/emails etc), and not benefit bottom-line (sales). These all-encompassing gaming/social/internet/communication/camera devices are difficult to target a specific audience because they cover such a wide range of users and their different needs and wants.
Everyone's attitude here is they're not happy with the SOC jpegs and expecting RAW will allow them to "do it better" themselves. That's an issue with the processing(that's speculation until raw files can be peeped). This is what Sony needs to fix, not just throwing RAW at us. Most people don't want to process raw files from WB to post-resize sharpening of what they ate just so they can share it on IG. RAW is not something anybody will want to upload without PP. It isn't going to magically make a ****ty camera better. If anything it'll only reveal how good or bad a camera truly is.
So why would Sony obviously, have-to, necessarily, provide this feature in any of their phones? Just because walkmans have a long history, doesn't mean they are going to give you wolfson dacs into the xperia and market it to people who don't care.
That being said. I'd be happy to have the option to take pictures in raw format, but foresee myself barely using it. If I cared enough to take higher quality pictures, I would put in the effort to bring out my actual full frame camera and lens and shoot raw all day long with high quality 60fps capture as well. I'm also going to play with the g4 in the store and check out raw uploads on the net to see what it can do, but not because I am looking to replace an actual camera with it. If you offer up pro features and market it as such - then you better beat other pro options in implementation and results, otherwise I'm not going to take it seriously and mark it as just another half-assed novelty feature and continue to use an actual camera that implements it well.
yeah yeah tl;dr
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Some people have a z3 and a proper camera but want the option to use raw on the their phone for when they don't have their proper camera with them. Or they might not have a proper camera but want to get into photography; using their phone is a cheaper alternative, and raw (in addition to the other things api2 provides) helps here. It's not something I imagine too many people will use but having the option is better than not having the option; no-one's suggesting that jpg will go away and everyone will have to convert their raw files after every shoot.
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Some people have a z3 and a proper camera but want the option to use raw on the their phone for when they don't have their proper camera with them. Or they might not have a proper camera but want to get into photography; using their phone is a cheaper alternative, and raw (in addition to the other things api2 provides) helps here. It's not something I imagine too many people will use but having the option is better than not having the option; no-one's suggesting that jpg will go away and everyone will have to convert their raw files after every shoot.
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It would be nice if they allowed saving both JPG and RAW like most DSLRs (even if it is slower) as then we would have a JPG to post on social media straight away and a RAW to enhance later if we wanted to :good:
^ this !
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Some people have a z3 and a proper camera but want the option to use raw on the their phone for when they don't have their proper camera with them. Or they might not have a proper camera but want to get into photography; using their phone is a cheaper alternative, and raw (in addition to the other things api2 provides) helps here. It's not something I imagine too many people will use but having the option is better than not having the option; no-one's suggesting that jpg will go away and everyone will have to convert their raw files after every shoot.
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I agree that having the option is better than not having it. My post wasn't meant to argue the uses of RAW, but how users' needs affect mfger's decisions on spending money, because ultimately all they care about is how it'll affect the bottom line today or in the future. Sony attempting to capture this uber niche group for the z3 won't help them. Future models? Maybe, but it seems unlikely if they need to consider it eating into cybershot sales (Some yet to be released cybershots don't even shoot in RAW). Also, how far would they have to take the updates once they enable RAW to "us" ? Aperture priority, shutter priority, exposure locking, bracketing, etc.
The whole Manual control and raw output angle may or may not work for LG. But it makes sense for them to try it... because they really don't have anything else going for them against Samsung.
Z3 camera has issues
The Z3 camera has well known issues (like many cell phone cameras have).... purple blobs under demanding light conditions and some more
If you know how to handle RAW files then there's a better chance to correct that
but I will also need a specific RAW codec for the Z3 otherwise the most RAW converters won't work or will produce false colours.
What the user really want is a Camera with proper Manual controls and not that messed-up thing from Sony in the current camera ui
Z3 camera blows chunks. Really, there isn't much more to say about it. Soft, mushy, noisy. Exposure often off. Just not a camera experience fitting a top end phone from the worlds leading digital photography OEM.
Ideally Sony would improve the SOC JPGs. If they where industry leading standard then there wouldn't be so much demand for RAW.
In the likely scenario were Sony engineers are unable (or unwilling/not backed by the bean counters) to deliver improved JPEG output, RAW is a decent workaround.
But as mentioned, unless the likes of Adobe can support the RAW files then they won't be very useful. Anyone who knows what to do with a RAW will want to fit it onto their already established work flow. If Sony can just output DNG's (DNG+JPEG) that would be ok.
Sony are bleeding market share with xperias. They need to really deliver some great updates to their existing phones and release some exceptional new hardware to regain some favour from consumers. Support is the key, if they can deliver top notch updates that markedly improve end user experience then people will buy their hardware, knowing they will be supported by the manufacturer for the life of the product. It's not just about updating the ROM to the latest android release, its about enhancing the experience, listening to consumers concerns and demands and responding quickly and effectively.
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But as mentioned, unless the likes of Adobe can support the RAW files then they won't be very useful. Anyone who knows what to do with a RAW will want to fit it onto their already established work flow. If Sony can just output DNG's (DNG+JPEG) that would be ok.
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The API requires that DNG is output. So as long as Sony adheres to the Camera2 API that is what we will get!
In my opinion, Sony does not have to do anything to their camera software. Just implement the Camera2 API and there are already other camera apps out there which utilize the new features.
wasnt there articles published recently stating that Samsung devices were going to receive RAW mode too? and HTC joining in as well? forgot where the articles went, but if true, i see no reason why Sony should hold back when everyone else is doing it.
Sony needs to offer something that the competitors/market doesnt have, or at least be the first to do so... not following others >.>
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I don't really need it, but if most people want it I think they should definitely add it.
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You need it without knowing you need it; developers who work on camera-related apps such as Open Camera currently get jpegs from the camera, so if they want to perform further processing such as auto-rotating the photo, superimposing date/time etc it's another generational loss of quality. If they could instead get a raw file they could do all that losslessly and then offer the user of the usual (but better quality) jpeg or raw.
LitoNi said:
wasnt there articles published recently stating that Samsung devices were going to receive RAW mode too? and HTC joining in as well? forgot where the articles went, but if true, i see no reason why Sony should hold back when everyone else is doing it.
Sony needs to offer something that the competitors/market doesnt have, or at least be the first to do so... not following others >.>
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Did that include existing devices, or future devices?
I don't know if I've seen any device (other than possibly Nexus devices) that had RAW capability retrofitted after-the-fact - even devices that had Qualcomm's proprietary RAW support. (Which isn't compatible with the new camera API RAW stuff - just like Qualcomm's multiSIM stuff was completely incompatible with the MTK-based stuff Google put into 5.x)
As topic name says, sony wants to know if there is demand to support "RAW" format for Xperia Line in future lollipop release.
You can read more here
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/04/2...capture-in-future-if-there-is-popular-demand/
And you can request it on official sony forum
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Camera2-API/m-p/974754#M21577
What is RAW exactly ?
I read it a couple pf times but i am not sure what it is.
Roughly speaking it's an image file. RAW is commonly used by photographers and they have more detail than your average jpeg. But RAW files user alot of memory.
I don't care for it tbh. Jpeg files on my Z2 are big enough when I go full 20 Mpixel.
Honestly I don't care about RAW either. But I want them to implement camera2 api.
I hope we can choose between jpeg or raw if it becomes available not just one
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I hope we can choose between jpeg or raw if it becomes available not just one
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There's no way in hell they'd set RAW as default. RAW is practically unusable without editing, and takes a lot of space. If they implement it it's definitely gonna be optional.
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The thing is, if they add support for RAW photo's, there's a good chance the camera mode will get updated from legacy mode to either limited or full mode. To find out what that would mean, head over to this link. (it also gives an overview of which devices support which camera2 mode) And here is a quote for the lazy ones:
Camera2 Supported Hardware Levels
FULL: all that’s required but not everything
30fps operation at sensor resolution preferred, 20fps required for at least uncompressed YUV output: useful for burst capture and computational photography
Per frame control
Manual sensor control: Like exposure time, ISO gain
Manual post-processing control: color rendition, contrast/gamma curve, noise reduction
Arbitrary cropping, in size and coordinates
At least 3 processed non-stalling output streams formats: like YUV 4:2:0 used for preview.
The ability to list and auto-configure output formats according to a list of supported streams
Note that FULL does not require RAW capture nor valid metadata and calibration profile for the DNG writer.
LIMITED: partial support, your mileage may vary
Cameras describing themselves as limited have some of the Camera2 capabilities but not all of them, and not all the ones required for the FULL supported hardware level either.
The reason would be either because the camera module or its Image Signal Processor lacks some of the required capabilities, or because the manufacturer didn’t implement them so they become available in Camera2 API.
LEGACY: a wrapper around the old Camera API
Legacy Camera2 means only really the historic Camera API is implemented. But for good measure, Lollipop adds a layer over it so modern camera applications do not have to implement two separate ways to control the imaging systems.
Each camera (usually back and front) has its own capability set. For instance, Nexus 5 hardware support level is FULL for the back and LIMITED for the front.
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Right now we're on legacy, which means we don't get any of the fancy new camera2 api features. If Sony updates it, it should be relatively easy to add more features, like manual focus for example. (which I would love to have, personally)
It comes down to this:
Even if you don't care about RAW photography, it's still wise to request it and maybe request support for full mode because that will get you a lot of other cool features as well.
I DO NOT need it.
It's a plus point, but definitely not a necessity.
Raw it's a optional feature, but the other features of camera2api are usefull. We can use finally the sony's sensors at max power I want camera2api and RAW
I think it's rude they are even asking for our opinion. Google published it and Sony excluded it from the original code and now is asking us if we want it.
Personally, it's not as important as - say- a SMS software or not a must but still, why take something out?
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I think it's rude they are even asking for our opinion. Google published it and Sony excluded it from the original code and now is asking us if we want it.
Personally, it's not as important as - say- a SMS software or not a must but still, why take something out?
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At least they lending a listening ear. Most OEMs, including Samsung, excluded it. Industry standard.
Well at least Sony think about the people and asking it, we cant say that from other manufractures
Id love to see raw support
Seeing a camera with raw vs without is a big difference
I want
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There's no way in hell they'd set RAW as default. RAW is practically unusable without editing, and takes a lot of space. If they implement it it's definitely gonna be optional.
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Thank god for that!
not a need, but definitly a want
Absolutely a need. I will not buy another device which doesn't support raw capture, now that it is readily available for manufacturers to add.
I would definitely wanna see RAW support since it significantly improves the quality of pictures on Android phones with Lollipop..
Defently CameraApi2 would be useful, now I can take really good pictures with manual but with that extra features.
Sony camera will rock!
Guys, even if you would not use it, just request it as many others would use. Please help the community.
For me Samsung phones has the best hardware out there. But it is still missing something. I have been wondering why their devices have no auto exposure on the focused area just like many android devices have it now. Although I can see their S6 edge plus has it now but im not totally satisfied with it.
So my question is the auto exposure(adjusting the exposure of the photo to the area you what to receive more light to have a picture perfect) is a hardware or software limitation? if it is software probably there are third party apps out there can you guys tell me what it is. I have been using Camera FV5 but it still does not do that.
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For me Samsung phones has the best hardware out there. But it is still missing something. I have been wondering why their devices have no auto exposure on the focused area just like many android devices have it now. Although I can see their S6 edge plus has it now but im not totally satisfied with it.
So my question is the auto exposure(adjusting the exposure of the photo to the area you what to receive more light to have a picture perfect) is a hardware or software limitation? if it is software probably there are third party apps out there can you guys tell me what it is. I have been using Camera FV5 but it still does not do that.
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Are you talking a RAW format output file that you can edit/manipulate through Lightroom/PS or any third party software? If I am correct...good luck with that. Myself is using camera FV5 but figured out that what is the point and use of having a raw file coming out from this phone sensors...almost like useless. I rather side to the JPG output and put everything on auto and let the phone decide. Just imagine, Even until this day where modern dslr's, mirrorless are coming out but still having problem with noise coming out from those cameras (raw files). A micro four-thirds sensor has more noise compare to APS-C's, Apsc raw produce noise more than FULL Frame, Medium Format are less noise compare to Full frame. My point is.... The camera sensor of samsung phones are wayyyyy.... smaller than four-thirds therefore we can't expect that it will produce a better raw files, plus phones fixed lens. If there are raw files coming out from those sensors might not be usable compare to DSLR's. Even in Fuji and Sony mirrorless nowadays, specifically the XT-10 and A6000 if you go down lower to their native ISO probably not a good thing.
In short... Camera phones sensors not designed for RAW files or not yet ready maybe in the future. I am a portrait and landscape photographer (not a PRO) and uses my phone from time to time when my crappy old dslr go nuts Like you, I would love to see this feature fully functional in the future
edit: Camera FV5
You can manipulate the settings of your FV5 app by going to Menu - Shooting Utilities and click the last one, touch to capture. Make sure you switch ON your HISTOGRAM so that you can expose properly on your shot, then change your Light Metering Mode to the second one which Center Weighed (no label), That way you can expose your shot the way you want. You can also customized the exposure time by choosing the S mode and select custom for open shutter time. Kept in mind that What you See is What you Get on this app for it will give you JPG file. For me I really rely more on HISTOGRAM, if the native camera of samsung has the histogram ability then I will probably use it more. Cheers!
You'll probably see this feature in the Galaxy Camera lineup, but I doubt it'll make is way into the regular smartphone lineup.....why would it, they want us to buy their GC range too......
http://i.imgur.com/rVnFwJM.jpg
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Are you talking a RAW format output file that you can edit/manipulate through Lightroom/PS or any third party software? If I am correct...good luck with that. Myself is using camera FV5 but figured out that what is the point and use of having a raw file coming out from this phone sensors...almost like useless. I rather side to the JPG output and put everything on auto and let the phone decide. Just imagine, Even until this day where modern dslr's, mirrorless are coming out but still having problem with noise coming out from those cameras (raw files). A micro four-thirds sensor has more noise compare to APS-C's, Apsc raw produce noise more than FULL Frame, Medium Format are less noise compare to Full frame. My point is.... The camera sensor of samsung phones are wayyyyy.... smaller than four-thirds therefore we can't expect that it will produce a better raw files, plus phones fixed lens. If there are raw files coming out from those sensors might not be usable compare to DSLR's. Even in Fuji and Sony mirrorless nowadays, specifically the XT-10 and A6000 if you go down lower to their native ISO probably not a good thing.
In short... Camera phones sensors not designed for RAW files or not yet ready maybe in the future. I am a portrait and landscape photographer (not a PRO) and uses my phone from time to time when my crappy old dslr go nuts Like you, I would love to see this feature fully functional in the future
edit: Camera FV5
You can manipulate the settings of your FV5 app by going to Menu - Shooting Utilities and click the last one, touch to capture. Make sure you switch ON your HISTOGRAM so that you can expose properly on your shot, then change your Light Metering Mode to the second one which Center Weighed (no label), That way you can expose your shot the way you want. You can also customized the exposure time by choosing the S mode and select custom for open shutter time. Kept in mind that What you See is What you Get on this app for it will give you JPG file. For me I really rely more on HISTOGRAM, if the native camera of samsung has the histogram ability then I will probably use it more. Cheers!
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I don't take raw format. I just want a point-shoot-upload phone camera with good balanced light and everything(like what iphone does so as many android devices out there). just to be clear I am not comparing phone camera sensors to dslr sensors because those are very different. im no a pro photographer and I know phone cameras are not designed for that. I just want a better(satisfying) result from what hardware it possessed.
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You'll probably see this feature in the Galaxy Camera lineup, but I doubt it'll make is way into the regular smartphone lineup.....why would it, they want us to buy their GC range too......
http://i.imgur.com/rVnFwJM.jpg
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I see. so it is a hardware limitation?
I never said anything about hardware limitations......
All I said was, that for Samsung, it wouldn't make financial sense to include every camera function on a smartphone, when they have other, more fully featured devices that they are selling too.....
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keithross39 said:
I never said anything about hardware limitations......
All I said was, that for Samsung, it wouldn't make financial sense to include every camera function on a smartphone, when they have other, more fully featured devices that they are selling too.....
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so if it is not hardware limitation there should be an app out there. I can other OEMs that uses either Samsung or Sony sensors for there camera and theirs work like a charm. but how come Samsung does not have it. atleast some devs are making that app.
I am no dev nor a programmer but I think it would not be that hard to develop a camera that works like other OEM devices.
Yeah....your best bet is a 3rd party independent app, because I can't see Samsung implementing these features on a standard smartphone. It wouldn't make business sense for them to do so.....not if they want to continue selling their Galaxy Camera range.......
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keithross39 said:
Yeah....your best bet is a 3rd party independent app, because I can't see Samsung implementing these features on a standard smartphone. It wouldn't make business sense for them to do so.....not if they want to continue selling their Galaxy Camera range.......
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yeah. tried every other third party apps out there can't find one that suits to my preferences. tried using custom roms, ported other rom but no luck for me yet.
they should be implementing that one especially on their flag carrier series. because every other android devices shifted to that camera functionality. they already implemented it in their s6 edge+ was hoping that upon mashmallow update they can implement it in s5.
BTW can you help me find that app? where I can just tap to anywhere and the exposure compensation for the whole image is adjusted to where I touched it.
Don't have any idea of actual, specific apps......If I want ultimate control over my image capturing, then I'll use one of my DSLR's......
But here's a good place to start looking....
http://thefluffyheads.com/techie-tony/5-android-camera-dslr-apps
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I usually just use HDR on the Samsung camera which gives good exposure across the image. If you don't want to use that, in the settings is an option "metering modes" which let's you pick how the exposure is selected. I haven't checked to see if spot metering is based off the centre or the focus point, though.
keithross39 said:
Don't have any idea of actual, specific apps......If I want ultimate control over my image capturing, then I'll use one of my DSLR's......
But here's a good place to start looking....
http://thefluffyheads.com/techie-tony/5-android-camera-dslr-apps
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I know smartphone cameras are not as good as DSLRs. just want a little bit more control in my device's camera. it is just so sad that we have a lot of best developers here in xda. but they are more focused on custom roms, exploits(root), ports and mods. I guess devs are not that much interested in other stuffs.
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I usually just use HDR on the Samsung camera which gives good exposure across the image. If you don't want to use that, in the settings is an option "metering modes" which let's you pick how the exposure is selected. I haven't checked to see if spot metering is based off the centre or the focus point, though.
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HDR is only good for outdoors and well lit surroundings. and metering modes does not give me the satisfaction. probably need to buy mid range smartphones with good cameras and fingerprint scanner.
I m willing to buy this phone for HiRes music and it is cheaper now. But I want to know if this thing has portrait mode or not.
Portrait Mode: It is similar to bouque effect present in dslr or in simple words background becomes blur so the foreground stands out clearer.
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I m willing to buy this phone for HiRes music and it is cheaper now. But I want to know if this thing has portrait mode or not.
Portrait Mode: It is similar to bouque effect present in dslr or in simple words background becomes blur so the foreground stands out clearer.
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well in a sense with manual mode yeah because you can select what you want in focus
No, the V20 does not have that. The V20 is quite the exact opposite of the iPhone. The iPhone is for people who can't or won't figure things out for themselves. The V20 is for those who know and want to do things themselves and have more control. You can use the Google Camera app and use its blur mode if you want though.
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No, the V20 does not have that. The V20 is quite the exact opposite of the iPhone. The iPhone is for people who can't or won't figure things out for themselves. The V20 is for those who know and want to do things themselves and have more control. You can use the Google Camera app and use its blur mode if you want though.
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I don't think google camera app uses dual camera setup,that can be intalled to any phone and doesn't provide good bg blur effect.
Still thanks for reply.
Tell me if there is any other option in Manual mode etc
There are at least 5 camera apps I can think of that allows this... However, I am not going to publicly promote a product or service that if obtained through proper stores,costs money. So... Sorry about that. I searched for aDSLR solution for some time. The main issue I was coming across was most replacement alps made it look like someone ate some potato chips, then touched all over the camera(s) lens(es) with said hands without properly wiping them all over their roommates couch.
Come to think of it.... I was eating some hamburger flavored chips.......hmmm
experot said:
I don't think google camera app uses dual camera setup,that can be intalled to any phone and doesn't provide good bg blur effect.
Still thanks for reply.
Tell me if there is any other option in Manual mode etc
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Both the Google camera app and the iPhone are going to do the same thing, which is use software trickery to blur the background by using information based on changes of depth. iPhone does this using two cameras and the Google app uses one and just has you "pan" the camera up and does some nifty calculations. As for installing it on any phone, you're in the V20 section asking about what to use on a V20. Someone ported it to the V20 and I've been using it for when I want auto photos since then just as well as I would on my Nexus devices. So I don't understand your point. The Google app actually does a decent job for software based trickery.
As for any other options in manual mode, that's not the point of manual mode. Manual mode is for those who want full control over their images. This means you are in charge of pre and post production. Want a specific type of light? Then find and/or set up that type of light. Want background blur? You will have to know what it takes to get blur out of this sensor size and be able to set that situation up. Like I said before, the V20 is not a dummy mode phone.
Ultimately though, if you want to get bokeh all the time all day long, you need at least a full frame DSLR and a very large aperture lens attached to it. Even dedicated cameras with fast lenses with sensors larger than anything in a phone run into issues creating bokeh in certain situations. Or, expand your photography horizons. If all you care about is bokeh, you need to be a bit more creative.
If you still aren't happy with any of the above, just get an iPhone. I hear they're great for when you don't want to have to do any thinking at all.