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New photo samples?

I think these may not have been discussed before and appear to have been taken with a Z:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mooringrope/
Pixel peeping at 100%, sure they seem to not be that sharp from the noise reduction but I think they'll still do very good prints, maybe as big as A3. I'll probably try printing some when I get mine as a test.
Also, I think responsiveness of the software / speed of capture and control is more important than minor image quality issues.
Edit: I think it may still be a pre-production device. As it's listed on flickr as C6603...
Edit 11th Feb: Later on in this topic, hush66 kindly posted some links to new sample photos which are from a production device and seem a lot better than the ones in my post below.
hush66 said:
I took some sample photos using the Xperia Z, and uploaded them here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110267829736715997848/XperiaZC6603Samples
Sorry if the photos are not that good. I suck at taking photos as my hands are somewhat shaky.
Update: original photos can be downloaded here: http://www.mediafire.com/?0ej013u7kkrdbv3
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Also these are new to me at least: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]N05/sets/72157632729147253/
Edit: Having browsed these images a little bit more, I feel the Z image quality may be a bit disappointing.
This combined with a review mentioning there not being a big difference between 720p and 1080p on the display and the seemingly average battery life as a result, has made me start to consider whether to cancel my pre-order.

First batch looks good to me. Alot different to the second album though... wether the 2nd guy has wobbly hands or just typed the wrong device i have no idea. But from what samples i have seen the pictures usually are very good, and as people say Sony are good in the camera department

Looking good. Maybe it's nothing revolutionary, but low light photos are amazing.

I'm very happy with what I'm seeing in the first batch and those night/low light shots. It is only a phone camera after all so it's unrealistic to expect the world out of it.

Pretty good for a phone. Phone Photos will never be great, even with a big sensor like the nokia, simply because the lens will never be great.
Personally I rather have a thin phone and a separate camera like the rx100 than a heavy and large phone like the pure views.

Photo quality
I read two reviews that said the picture quality Xperia z is not all that. They said there was not a lot of progress in relation to phones like iPhone 5 or galaxy s3.
Very noisy and marketing ...
Companies have to stop fooling people ... cuz eventually lose credibility with the public.
Sony xperia z = Tefefone too thin to have a better camera to nokia 920 and nokia n8
13mp was only for marketing!

Sigh... You only signed up to write that?
I'd like to welcome to XDA:silly:
Here it goes:
rapha.194 said:
I read two reviews that said the picture quality Xperia z is not all that. They said there was not a lot of progress in relation to phones like iPhone 5 or galaxy s3.
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You said you read 2 reviews, that's fine and all. But what if both reviews said for example that the phone smelled like carrots (Just an example)
Would you have believed it?
Before concluding things it's best that you try out the phone for yourself.
And you may say/think that the pictures aren't all that, but qw all have our different opinions, some may find it enough for their needs, some don't. Some use a dedicated camera, some use their phone. Should I continue?
rapha.194 said:
Very noisy and marketing ...
Companies have to stop fooling people ... cuz eventually lose credibility with the public.
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Companies have to stop fooling people... agreed, but look it from their point of view, in the end they are only doing it to survive in this world. So can we blame them? I'd say no.
Eventually everyone bought a product because some company said that product X was better then product Z from another company. It's for us to figure out what true and what's not. People in general have to look passed their nose and see the actual truth instead of being "misinformed".
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Sony xperia z = Tefefone too thin to have a better camera to nokia 920 and nokia n8
13mp was only for marketing!
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Is that your conclusion that the telephone is too thin or did you copied that from a review(s)?
You named 2 other phones... well I'd say test it out and proof that to us.
And yes of course the 13mp is a marketing scheme, but some company has to be the first to announce these kind of things, in xx months I bet there will be more companies introducing a 13mp camera in their phones, will you also call it a marketing scheme then? Or won't you, because multiple companies have the "technology" (referring to the 13mp).
Now it's your turn:angel:

Dsteppa
First of all thanks for the greeting.

no photo but video comparisson vs the galaxy note 2 and nexus 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el85dQDDSrY
the xperia z is in another level

stefanve said:
Pretty good for a phone. Phone Photos will never be great, even with a big sensor like the nokia, simply because the lens will never be great.
Personally I rather have a thin phone and a separate camera like the rx100 than a heavy and large phone like the pure views.
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The Nokia pureview 808 is a class all its own. The pictures from it rival just about any point and shoot I've seen at least from 2 feet away or with tux limit of the Nokia zoom.
I was hoping the Z was going to put up a close fight but I'm skeptical at this point. There certainly is hype created by companies but on the case of the Nokia its all backed up. Hopefully Sony hasn't let us down.

I took some sample photos using the Xperia Z, and uploaded them here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110267829736715997848/XperiaZC6603Samples
Sorry if the photos are not that good. I suck at taking photos as my hands are somewhat shaky.
Update: original photos can be downloaded here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

hush66 said:
I took some sample photos using the Xperia Z, and uploaded them here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/110267829736715997848/XperiaZC6603Samples
Sorry if the photos are not that good. I suck at taking photos as my hands are somewhat shaky.
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Those photos are probably the best I have seen out of all of the reviews. Your photos seem to suffer much less of the compression issues I saw on the review photos. Could you attempt to take some lower light pictures? and possibly a few comparing HDR to non-HDR? Thanks.

Warrimonk said:
Those photos are probably the best I have seen out of all of the reviews. Your photos seem to suffer much less of the compression issues I saw on the review photos. Could you attempt to take some lower light pictures? and possibly a few comparing HDR to non-HDR? Thanks.
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Ok, I took a couple pictures with HDR on and off (check the link again). I'll try some low light shoots later tonight.

hush66 said:
Ok, I took a couple pictures with HDR on and off (check the link again). I'll try some low light shoots later tonight.
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Hmm you sure you don't have the pics mislabeled? The first one looks more HDR-ish, but it's labeled as without.

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Hmm you sure you don't have the pics mislabeled? The first one looks more HDR-ish, but it's labeled as without.
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Yes, I'm positive the photos were labelled correctly.

I agree the first (labelled no HDR) has better details in the shadows, very interesting.
I agree with people here the photo's that are shown before are not that flash, however the ones posted by hush66 seem to be better, although hard to know for sure because they don't seem to be full res.
I agree to comments here about phone camera being around marketing. HTC tried something around this with the HTC One, I gave the HTC marketing department a bollocking about this, they pulled this marketing off the site a few days later. They were claiming you couldn't tell the difference between photo's taken with a DSLR and HTC One, hahahaha. The sample pictures were 364x268 pixels in size. I challenged them to tell the difference between photos from my Old Nokia N70, Blackberry 8900 and HTC Desire at the same pixels.
The biggest benefit of a point and shoot over the camera of the phone are the optical zooms, image quality is the similar or better than a lot of point and shoots.

danw_oz said:
I agree with people here the photo's that are shown before are not that flash, however the ones posted by hush66 seem to be better, although hard to know for sure because they don't seem to be full res.
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I uploaded the original photos here: http://www.mediafire.com/?0ej013u7kkrdbv3

These are very good, thanks. I really like how it handles macro shots.

Damn, hush's photos are by far the best I've seen of everything posted from the Z so far. I just spend the past couple of hours sifting through random shots taken by the Z before finding this thread, so I'm very aware that the sharpness is quite a bit better in these pics.
Could it be there's a newer firmware update at play? Or are there still others out there taking photos with pre-production units? I know a lot of pics so far have come from websites that've recieved the Z, but what are the chances that Sony sent them pre-production phones vs. final retail units? It'd seem like a silly thing to do, but there's a real world difference between what they were able to do with the camera, and what hush was able to do.

Z1 Camera Issue and the responses I get from Sony Support Team

I was really bummed about the camera app and quality when I first bought my Z1 because it didn't deliver what I thought it would. But I figured what the hell I love the looks of this phone I also find the waterproofnessness(!) extremely useful, so it doesn't matter if the camera doesn't deliver what I hoped for, I can live with it, you know? but then the "update" came and it made the camera worse than it was before, so naturally, as every camera fanatic would, I got really mad! I tried a bunch of apps but they were no good I also tried the so called "Superior Auto" mode and it didn't really helped so I had no other choice but to call Sony Support Center for help.... And this is what I got so far:
Oct 30​
ME:
I just bought the Z1 with software v. 14.1.G.2.257.The camera takes terrible and I mean terrible pictures,lots and lots of noise and artifacts even in auto mode which only takes 8MP pics.This is not what you hope for when you buy an expensive 20.7MP camera phone.I also have iPhone 5/5S and they take much much better pictures,even though their specs are inferior on paper. You should be ashamed...Am I gonna have to live withit or youregonna fixit?
THEM:
Dear Ara,
Thank you for contacting Sony Xperia™ Online Support.
We're sorry to hear that you're experiencing poor image quality from the camera of your Xperia™ Z1. I'm happy to assist you today, however, in order to provide you with the best possible service, it would be helpful to have more information about the issue at hand.
Are you using the front facing camera, or the outward facing camera? Has the camera always captured low quality images, or is this a new issue? Have you tried restarting the phone by holding the power key and the volume up key simultaneously until the phone vibrates? Have you cleaned the outside of the lens?
If you will please reply with more information, we'll gladly assist you further.
As part of Sony Mobile's commitment to excellent customer service, we offer a wide variety of mobile products to suit your lifestyle. If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit www.sonymobile.com.
Kind Regards,
Jessica
Sony Xperia Customer Services
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ME:
This is the same exact situation I'm in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501027
and come on what kind of an idiot contacts the costumer service before checking if the lens is clean?
Nov 9!​
THEM:
Dear Ara,
Thank you for contacting Sony Xperia™ Online Support.
We apologize for the delay of our response. Regarding your inquiry, the best we can recommend is a software repair via computer in order to discard any possibility of a software glitch. For this follow the steps below:
Here is the link you will need to download PC Companion
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/tools/pc-companion/
Once you have downloaded the program these are the steps you will need to follow:
*Make sure the phone is fully charged or at least 50% charged
*Make sure your phone is completely powered off
*Open the program
*Click on Support Zone
*Select Phone Software Update
*Click on Repair Phone
**DO NOT CONNECT THE PHONE TO THE PC UNTIL YOU SEE A MESSAGE THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN AND HOW TO DO IT
As part of Sony Mobile's commitment to excellent customer service, we offer a wide variety of mobile products to suit your lifestyle. If you require more information, or have any other questions, please visit www.sonymobile.com or call us at 1-866-766-9374.
Kind Regards,
Jessica
Sony Xperia US Customer Services
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ME:
Oh for god sake! This isn't a problem on my side... I'm actually in position of two Z1s one with 14.1.G.2.257 and the other with 14.1.G.1.534 both devices are absolutely clean by anymeans (software and hardware), I'll give you a comparison of the two and my iPhone 5S as soon as I'm done working, please do not assume that there is something wrong only and only with my device... either all the Z1s have horrible cameras or you just screwed up the camera algorithm which can be fixed... either way its on your part!
Again ME:
OK, so here they are:
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These are the samples I sent them:
8MP 1.534
8MP 2.257
20MP 1.534
20MP 2.257
iPh5S 7.0.3
If you guys do have the same problem as me (which you do!) please mention it here, Maybe this way they stop BS-ing me!

ara.armagedon said:
I was really bummed about the camera app and quality when I first bought my Z1 because it didn't deliver what I thought it would. But I figured what the hell I love the looks of this phone I also find the waterproofnessness(!) extremely useful, so it doesn't matter if the camera doesn't deliver what I hoped for, I can live with it, you know? but then the "update" came and it made the camera worse than it was before, so naturally, as every camera fanatic would, I got really mad! I tried a bunch of apps but they were no good I also tried the so called "Superior Auto" mode and it didn't really helped so I had no other choice but to call Sony Support Center for help.... And this is what I got so far:
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ME:
I just bought the Z1 with software v. 14.1.G.2.257.The camera takes terrible and I mean terrible pictures,lots and lots of noise and artifacts even in auto mode which only takes 8MP pics.This is not what you hope for when you buy an expensive 20.7MP camera phone.I also have iPhone 5/5S and they take much much better pictures,even though their specs are inferior on paper. You should be ashamed...Am I gonna have to live withit or youregonna fixit?
THEM:
ME:
This is the same exact situation I'm in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501027
and come on what kind of an idiot contacts the costumer service before checking if the lens is clean?
Nov 9!​
THEM:
ME:
Oh for god sake! This isn't a problem on my side... I'm actually in position of two Z1s one with 14.1.G.2.257 and the other with 14.1.G.1.534 both devices are absolutely clean by anymeans (software and hardware), I'll give you a comparison of the two and my iPhone 5S as soon as I'm done working, please do not assume that there is something wrong only and only with my device... either all the Z1s have horrible cameras or you just screwed up the camera algorithm which can be fixed... either way its on your part!
Again ME:
OK, so here they are:
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I'll upload the pics for you guys later today
If you guys do have the same problem as me (which you do!) please mention here, Maybe this way they stop BS-ing me!
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There seems to be a mixed bag in terms of this camera, majority of tech site reviewers have gotten good results with the camera. I am fairly certain(imo)there are dodgy batches of this phone floating about, just ask anyone who bought a z1 from India. Well anyway i don't have any issues with my z1 in terms of camera functionality and quality. The reason Sony support ask all these stupid questions, is they have a set of troubleshooting questions and no matter how stupid they sound they are going to ask them as this is part of their process, they have to rule out the simplest of things even if it doesnt apply to you. If you read throught the z1 forum, you will see a lot of threads, some saying the phone is amazing and others have shown users are not happy, now this could be down to software issues or hardware issues. In your case, if you have tried all the basic stuff like reflashing the software and what not then go and get a replacement and if you are still not happy get a refund.

First of all:
Dude, learn how tot use a phone camera, Z1 doesn't have a bad camera. It takes great pictures with the right settings. I'm sick and tired of people that probably don't know how to use a camera or maybe just love posting this kinda sh*t.
If you have a bad unit, in this case 2, ask for a replacement or something else before saying all Z1 cameras are bad.
Second:
Sending emails to a company with such language is really stupid, the person that gets your email is just human, you can be friendly to them.
Third:
Mods please delete this thread.
Sent from my Xperia Z1 using xda app-developers app

krabappel2548 said:
First of all:
Dude, learn how tot use a phone camera, Z1 doesn't have a bad camera. It takes great pictures with the right settings. I'm sick and tired of people that probably don't know how to use a camera or maybe just love posting this kinda sh*t.
If you have a bad unit, in this case 2, ask for a replacement or something else before saying all Z1 cameras are bad.
Second:
Sending emails to a company with such language is really stupid, the person that gets your email is just human, you can be friendly to them.
Third:
Mods please delete this thread.
Sent from my Xperia Z1 using xda app-developers app
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I completely agree with you, specially on second and third point.

krabappel2548 said:
First of all:
Dude, learn how tot use a phone camera, Z1 doesn't have a bad camera. It takes great pictures with the right settings. I'm sick and tired of people that probably don't know how to use a camera or maybe just love posting this kinda sh*t.
If you have a bad unit, in this case 2, ask for a replacement or something else before saying all Z1 cameras are bad.
Second:
Sending emails to a company with such language is really stupid, the person that gets your email is just human, you can be friendly to them.
Third:
Mods please delete this thread.
Sent from my Xperia Z1 using xda app-developers app
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To be honest, the superior auto mode SHOULD be better then what it is. Tons of people will not get past the auto mode and a company should make sure it is up to par. It kinda sucks you have to go into settings to change them every time to suit the best situation if you just want to take a quick nice snap.
Completely agree with the rest though, the tone in your first message is insulting right away. How do you expect people to help if you start shouting at them,
Wait at least until the 3rd mail before giving up (because in all honesty, it IS extremely frustrating that very often the people answering your mail don't even seem to read it and just give some autoreply answer. The times I mailed support, explaining exactly the issue and steps already taken to resolve it only to get a 'have you tried resetting the device?' YES! That was the first point in my 'already tried' list.).

ara.armagedon said:
I'll upload the pics for you guys later today.
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Yah, do that.
Make sure the originals are linked i don't want to see downsized images with no exif data.
Put them up either on dropbox, flickr or photobucket.
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ara.armagedon said:
This is the same exact situation I'm in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501027
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I could not make out much in that thread as the OP never provided originals.
The picture itself was a challenging one given the bakclighting issues. How well would other phones have compared in the same situation.
No frame of reference to come to any conclusions.

One Twelve said:
Yah, do that.
Make sure the originals are linked i don't want to see downsized images with no exif data.
Put them up either on dropbox, flickr or photobucket.
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I could not make out much in that thread as the OP never provided originals.
The picture itself was a challenging one given the bakclighting issues. How well would other phones have compared in the same situation.
No frame of reference to come to any conclusions.
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8MP 1.534
8MP 2.257
20MP 1.534
20MP 2.257
iPh5S 7.0.3

They're not publicly available. Change your folder settings on drop box mate

wezzel98765 said:
They're not publicly available. Change your folder settings on drop box mate
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My bad, sorry. They should be fine now

ara.armagedon said:
8MP 1.534
8MP 2.257
20MP 1.534
20MP 2.257
iPh5S 7.0.3
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does not work

btort1 said:
does not work
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I'm logged out now and they're working fine, tried them on 3 different browsers

have you trie Pro Capture?
I get better photos. Sharper and more details inside
Maybe only @8MPX

ara.armagedon said:
8MP 1.534
8MP 2.257
20MP 1.534
20MP 2.257
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OK, i can see them now.
This is what you said
The camera takes terrible and I mean terrible pictures,lots and lots of noise and artifacts even in auto mode which only takes 8MP pics.This is not what you hope for when you buy an expensive 20.7MP camera phone.I also have iPhone 5/5S and they take much much better pictures,even though their specs are inferior on paper. You should be ashamed...Am I gonna have to live withit or youregonna fixit?
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I looked at the 8MP, .534 vs .257 and find the .257 to have more detail. Ths ISO for the .257 is at 600 vs 800 for .534
The 20MP have lower ISO of 400 and similar shutter speeds as the 5s.
Comparing the iphone pic & the .257 8MP, can anybody see what he means by lots of noise & artifacts ? Cause i cannot.
The pictures look sharp enough to me, so focus isn't an issue in either. Zooming in 1:1, there is a slightly better edge aronud the bag? with the iphone. But i cannot see why the 8MP .257 shot is a terrible one in comparison to the 5s.
The 5s shots are at ISO 300 and at 1/15s So they will be little less noisy.
So what is dissapointing you ? that the 20.7mp image does not look better than the 8MP one ? that it isn't much better than the 5s ?
Any times where the auto on your 5s does not get it right or is it always perfect.

The moment I use flash, the camera churns out horrible images. It's sad really, makes my Z1 camera photos look worse than anything else (white flash on one side of the image).

https://db.tt/E5Q5vWfs
My singl. Img 2.257

GPKrzychuXxX said:
https://db.tt/E5Q5vWfs
My singl. Img 2.257
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thats an excellent photo, makes me wonder if it was taken with the Z1 lol

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thats an excellent photo, makes me wonder if it was taken with the Z1 lol[/QUOTE
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thunderising said:
The moment I use flash, the camera churns out horrible images. It's sad really, makes my Z1 camera photos look worse than anything else (white flash on one side of the image).
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There's something blocking your Flash, mine is perfectly fine with flash
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One Twelve said:
OK, i can see them now.
This is what you said
I looked at the 8MP, .534 vs .257 and find the .257 to have more detail. Ths ISO for the .257 is at 600 vs 800 for .534
The 20MP have lower ISO of 400 and similar shutter speeds as the 5s.
Comparing the iphone pic & the .257 8MP, can anybody see what he means by lots of noise & artifacts ? Cause i cannot.
The pictures look sharp enough to me, so focus isn't an issue in either. Zooming in 1:1, there is a slightly better edge aronud the bag? with the iphone. But i cannot see why the 8MP .257 shot is a terrible one in comparison to the 5s.
The 5s shots are at ISO 300 and at 1/15s So they will be little less noisy.
So what is dissapointing you ? that the 20.7mp image does not look better than the 8MP one ? that it isn't much better than the 5s ?
Any times where the auto on your 5s does not get it right or is it always perfect.
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This is why I was already mad with the support team.
First of all, saying the photos differ because of the ISO while partially true is no excuse, because all the pictures were taken in the same lighting condition and the same focusing area. So the fact that the ISOs differ is actually a software weakness (specially if they differ in the same model, So please don't respond saying something like different lenses because of different phones and so on.)
Second if you really don't see what I'm talking about I'll try just this once to tell you what I mean:
See this again 20MP 2.257
This is the difference between a noisy and non-noisy! :
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"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
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Thraxzzz said:
There's something blocking your Flash, mine is perfectly fine with flash
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How is that even possible. I know how to operate a phone camera to not black the flash,
It only happens when I click under low light conditions. Some cheap ass Lenovo phone was churning out better photos than my flagship phone. I felt embarrassed to say the least

Remove processing and double the video bitrate and the camera would be fine

Its so strange that Motorola limited the camera in such an obvious way. They'd have even better Moto G sales if they simply fixed these things.
The Nexus 5 was successfully modded by XDA to improve the camera. Do you think the same will happen to the Moto G?

Didnt the Nexus 5 get a camera update that improved it just a few weeks back?
I really dont think theres much we can do it tbh, sure its all hard coded and is partly due to the sensor also.
It may not be Motrola not limiting it, it could be significantly worse without the processing, would be nice be able to remove and see but Im not holding my breath too much
Maybe when Google release their Raw API quality may increase
Or Im just talking nonsense If so ignore me

King p1n said:
I really dont think theres much we can do it tbh, sure its all hard coded and is partly due to the sensor also.
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You can't hardcode software processing into a camera. The loss of detail is clearly caused by a noise reduction algorithm and compression done after the picture is taken. It looks similar to what the Moto X was doing before it got an update.
if Motorola took these things off, which shouldn't be that hard for them to do, we'd have a decent camera to work with.
Also, the 720p capture seems to be limited to 10 Mb/s bitrate for no reason except maybe to try and save battery life. I'm sure the Snapdragon 400 is capable of at least double the bitrate so its either up to Motorola to increase that or for somebody like Faux to figure out how to increase it.

TBH i never bothered much for the camera on a mobile ... but wouldnt mind either if you guys do a better version of this **** default camera software they have put in it :silly:

I think it would be working http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2039553

CADude said:
You can't hardcode software processing into a camera. The loss of detail is clearly caused by a noise reduction algorithm and compression done after the picture is taken. It looks similar to what the Moto X was doing before it got an update.
if Motorola took these things off, which shouldn't be that hard for them to do, we'd have a decent camera to work with.
Also, the 720p capture seems to be limited to 10 Mb/s bitrate for no reason except maybe to try and save battery life. I'm sure the Snapdragon 400 is capable of at least double the bitrate so its either up to Motorola to increase that or for somebody like Faux to figure out how to increase it.
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I dunno...
I dont see Moto doing anything about the noise reduction which you say is causing loss of detail, surely they would've learn't from the moto X.
I think If it is causing the loss of detail, Moto believe its of an acceptable level, as the trade off would be very noisy photos(Which reviewers and consumers would've trashedl).
Personally I just think its something we'll have to deal with and dont believe Moto will be adjusting anytime soon.
But hey i'll welcome any camera mods that make a difference.

I think they will have to fix it because it looks pretty easy to fix and would make the phone an easier sell. Why keep a phone as one with a bad camera when you can make it a fine camera with some tweaks?

CADude said:
I think they will have to fix it because it looks pretty easy to fix and would make the phone an easier sell. Why keep a phone as one with a bad camera when you can make it a fine camera with some tweaks?
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They dont really 'have to" fix it
I dont believe they will simply because I think Motorola believe they have the right balance in their eyes, in terms of noise reduction and decent shots, especially after the whole Moto X camera debate.
We'll have to wait and see im just not holding my breath.
Maybe If there was enough outcry? They may look into it
Hopefully Moto improve the camera though via updates, i'll welcome it
Moto G photos with more detail etc, would be fantastic
Heck even If we were able to manually change the way photos are processed etc would be great

King p1n said:
They dont really 'have to" fix it
I dont believe they will simply because I think Motorola believe they have the right balance in their eyes, in terms of noise reduction and decent shots, especially after the whole Moto X camera debate.
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They'd have to be blind to think that. It's clearly a camera that has been overblown. Focus is a major issue.

CADude said:
They'd have to be blind to think that. It's clearly a camera that has been overblown. Focus is a major issue.
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Well hopefully somebody or moto does.
But If it is post processing with the software, why do other camera apps produce pretty much the same results? As you say its not hard coded.

King p1n said:
Well hopefully somebody or moto does.
But If it is post processing with the software, why do other camera apps produce pretty much the same results? As you say its not hard coded.
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It's using the same camera firmware no matter what app you use. They need to update the firmware.

CADude said:
It's using the same camera firmware no matter what app you use. They need to update the firmware.
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Alright.
We'll have to wait and see if moto do anything.

8 MP Superior Auto vs 15 MP Superior Auto

Hi everyone,
As i have rooted my Z2, i was able to install Xposed Framework. In Xposed Modes i found a mode which 'force' camera to use full 20 mp (or 15 mp in wide shot) in Superior Auto Mode. I have taken some pics to compare quality but couldn't understand anything. As i know, many of you guys are very interested in photography and know a lot about it, i decided to share some pics with you and let you decide which is better. Here's the link of 4 pics, 2 of them in 8 mp and 2 with 15 mp. (The names of the files indicate 'MP'): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vvpghc7w187b1ia/_uUAk9NFry
Can provide more shots if needed.

Mano1982 said:
Hi everyone,
As i have rooted my Z2, i was able to install Xposed Framework. In Xposed Modes i found a mode which 'force' camera to use full 20 mp (or 15 mp in wide shot) in Superior Auto Mode. I have taken some pics to compare quality but couldn't understand anything. As i know, many of you guys are very interested in photography and know a lot about it, i decided to share some pics with you and let you decide which is better. Here's the link of 4 pics, 2 of them in 8 mp and 2 with 15 mp. (The names of the files indicate 'MP'): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vvpghc7w187b1ia/_uUAk9NFry
Can provide more shots if needed.
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Great effort. Somehow I noticed the 15 mp has a wider angle. Generally they look very close and still very good quality for both, maybe different lighting conditions and in daylight too maybe easier to distinguish which is best.

There is a great discussion on quality 8MP and 20MP. Many say 8Mp is better than 20MP, which contain more vivid colors. This video explains a little about!
We could try posting pictures!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFP3Un1mRmY

ASD007 said:
Great effort. Somehow I noticed the 15 mp has a wider angle. Generally they look very close and still very good quality for both, maybe different lighting conditions and in daylight too maybe easier to distinguish which is best.
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Thanks for your feedback, mate Check the folder again, just poster some more shots. As it's night in Norway now, i couldn't take daylight photos. Will do it tomorrow..
BR4DOKYBrazil said:
There is a great discussion on quality 8MP and 20MP. Many say 8Mp is better than 20MP, which contain more vivid colors. This video explains a little about!
We could try posting pictures!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFP3Un1mRmY
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Thanks for your feedback, mate I will take more pictures in daylight tomorrow. Problem is that whenever you enable or disable mod, you have to reboot the phone

Hey can you also let us know what you lost from rooting? DRM etc?

robt772000 said:
Hey can you also let us know what you lost from rooting? DRM etc?
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Or that could stay in one of the other threads about rooting and bootloader and drm and this one could be about pictures. This thread has potential.
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jiggyb21 said:
Or that could stay in one of the other threads about rooting and bootloader and drm and this one could be about pictures. This thread has potential.
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I've been here a lot longer than you son. Don't go telling me what to do.
Its still relevant.

robt772000 said:
I've been here a lot longer than you son. Don't go telling me what to do.
Its still relevant.
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Somehow I knew you were going to say that.
The reason I felt brash enough to say something is because half of all my posts since I've been here have been on that exact topic in other threads that explain in detail what is lost and what isn't. I know for a fact there's info available to answer your question without changing the topic of this thread. I'd link them for you but I'm about to watch Game of Thrones.... And don't get so bent out shape, I'm sure you've scolded more than one person in your long tenure here.
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jiggyb21 said:
Somehow I knew you were going to say that.
The reason I felt brash enough to say something is because half of all my posts since I've been here have been on that exact topic in other threads that explain in detail what is lost and what isn't. I know for a fact there's info available to answer your question without changing the topic of this thread. I'd link them for you but I'm about to watch Game of Thrones.... And don't get so bent out shape, I'm sure you've scolded more than one person in your long tenure here.
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Yep no worries. I'm just a fiery biker.
I heard the camera can break from unlocking.

I haven't lost anything that I'm aware of...

robt772000 said:
Yep no worries. I'm just a fiery biker.
I heard the camera can break from unlocking.
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You motivated me to finally put up an avatar.

From my tests and I've done a lot of them since I got the phone last month.
8mp in manual mode with my own settings produced the best results in all lighting conditions. Focusing for me is the z2's greatest problem and one which gets worse the more you increase the resolution.
From the watch photo the OP posted, you can clearly see that the 8mp sample is better focused. At 8mp, everything is better, detail preservation, focus, contrast and dynamic range. Yes you can't zoom in as far as you can with the 15 and 20.7mp snaps but the quality is noticeably better.
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Thanks, very interesting!
Quality is comparable, actually at certain shots SA at 8MP is maybe a more consistently detailed, 15MP is sometimes a little noisier and I don't see much quality edge.
Where this can be very useful however is shooting large resolution full 4:3 frame SA images, as on stock we're limited to 8MP @16:9. It makes sense to give the full 4:3 option, and I'd love to see some 8MP vs. 20MP SA comparisons, if you have the time. :good:

robt772000 said:
I've been here a lot longer than you son. Don't go telling me what to do.
Its still relevant.
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There are lots of us who have been here longer than you son :silly:

Haha. Internet's is fun.

Not all devices running Lollipop will get RAW mode

According to this:
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=82219#c8
The Nexus 4 and 9 will not be getting RAW mode support. Let's hope that the Z3 will. I'm not sure if there's any way of telling with publicly available information whether this is the case; please post if you know either way!

I heard the phone has to use the integrated ISP to get the raw mode. Sony devices uses a dedicated ISP.
So...........

I'm sure its hardware supports it but its up to OEMS whether they want to support the new API's.

Don't tell me the Z3 is not going to support raw mode!

android_fury said:
Don't tell me the Z3 is not going to support raw mode!
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Yeah I hope not, but it is highly likely since Sony are so secretive about the camera

I find it interesting that so many people want RAW mode but also are scared to unlock the bootloader because it disables the low light noise reduction.

se1000 said:
I find it interesting that so many people want RAW mode but also are scared to unlock the bootloader because it disables the low light noise reduction.
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I want RAW mode (I'm used to it, using it on my DSLR) so I can take better photographs. I also don't want to lose any functionality on my phone (including, but not limited to low light noise reduction) because I want to take better photographs, plus I don't want to risk voiding my warranty.
Hope that helps!

se1000 said:
I find it interesting that so many people want RAW mode but also are scared to unlock the bootloader because it disables the low light noise reduction.
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I unlocked the bootloader and rooted my phone exactly because raw mode would replace Sony's camera optimizations.