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question rooting and at&t warranty

Did anyone get the extra 9.99 warranty? I purchased it and I'm thinking about rooting. Since I never rooted in the past, am I missing out on anything special? I'm not into the custom roms, I like the Samsung rom. Reason I'm asking is I postponed the most recent update.

kipliq said:
Did anyone get the extra 9.99 warranty? I purchased it and I'm thinking about rooting. Since I never rooted in the past, am I missing out on anything special? I'm not into the custom roms, I like the Samsung rom. Reason I'm asking is I postponed the most recent update.
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I'm not sure what your question is. Is it about rooting? (there are guides in the "general" section that you can follow). Are you just wondering about who bought a warranty? (I have Square trade). Or, are you wondering if rooting voids the warranty? (In most cases, yes, but certain warranties allow for it, you have to ask or read the fine print).

scott14719 said:
I'm not sure what your question is. Is it about rooting? (there are guides in the "general" section that you can follow). Are you just wondering about who bought a warranty? (I have Square trade). Or, are you wondering if rooting voids the warranty? (In most cases, yes, but certain warranties allow for it, you have to ask or read the fine print).
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I'm just scared to root since I purchased the att warranty. I check on Square trade warranty. Is the att warranty any good or am I throwing my money away.

kipliq said:
I'm just scared to root since I purchased the att warranty. I check on Square trade warranty. Is the att warranty any good or am I throwing my money away.
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I have read about people using the AT&T warranty OK, I guess it just comes down to preference. Read about each warranty and decide which one better fits your needs.
As far as rooting goes, read the guide(s) posted and decide if it is for you. There are ways to unroot if needed or you can always use ODIN to restore to stock firmware. Read about some of these topics and options and you will be able to make a better decision about what you want to do. Good luck.

Man, I am always bringing up the rear. Always late to the party.
I know att will void the warranty if it is rooted, had a friend go thru exactly that.
I think it depends on what rep you get at att.

The reason I'm thinking of rooting is to use about 3 apps, one is titanium backup and the other is floating apps i think it is called and last is what apps I can use in dual screen mode. The At&t deductible is $199 omg that is the price of the phone
Not sure if all the trouble is worth rooting.

kipliq said:
The reason I'm thinking of rooting is to use about 3 apps, one is titanium backup and the other is floating apps i think it is called and last is what apps I can use in dual screen mode. The At&t deductible is $199 omg that is the price of the phone
Not sure if all the trouble is worth rooting.
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Sure, go for it. If you need to warranty it, you can unroot. Just make sure you do a lot of reading and get everything together before hand...that will make everything a lot easier. Go check Square trade out...it might be a better option for you.

Root or waiting to knox fix?

With the new bootloader Samsung seems to have made the root impossible without leave a trace.
After the root we will have knox 0x1 in the bootloader and no chance to reset it to 0x0.
So...
What do you recommend?
Wait for someone to be able to find a solution or root the phone anyway and hoping we can reset the knox later?

kenzolo said:
With the new bootloader Samsung seems to have made the root impossible without leave a trace.
After the root we will have knox 0x1 in the bootloader and no chance to reset it to 0x0.
So...
What do you recommend?
Wait for someone to be able to find a solution or root the phone anyway and hoping we can reset the knox later?
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Lucky for me, I'm buying mine at Best Buy and getting the Geeksquad protection plan ($10 per month). If the phone bricks or something, I'll return it to them for an expedited replacement (new) at no additional cost! I hope we get root and custom roms and with the risk of tripping the Knox counter since I could care less! :highfive:

I'm keeping it untouched for the first couple of months. maybe there are some bugs or flaws in the device since it's the 1st production line we got. I want to be sure to have warranty if really needed.

I have everything needed to root already downloaded and ready to go. My Note III will not even boot once before it's rooted!
I'm opening the box and booting straight into the bootloader!

Yup I'm rooting as well I'm insured tho so don't really need to worry as I can get a replacement handset if there are any defects from first line
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Ill just root and mod...could care less about warranty.
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So if it doesn't boot I'm okay, but i'm still on the fence with it really.

Got my device today...having itchy fingers ...will root tomorrow!
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i will probably wait a week or so before rooting.
better sooner than later though

Bataga said:
Lucky for me, I'm buying mine at Best Buy and getting the Geeksquad protection plan ($10 per month). If the phone bricks or something, I'll return it to them for an expedited replacement (new) at no additional cost! I hope we get root and custom roms and with the risk of tripping the Knox counter since I could care less! :highfive:
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If I'm not mistaken Best Buy has changed there cell phone policy. Now I believe you have to pay $100 or $150 for insurance replacements just like every other carrier. I asked about it and the employee told me that people were taking advantage so it was changed. Just a heads up for you.

I can't remember the last phone the I actually booted into stock firmware. My first boot is always into the bootloader to flash/root it.

I'd wait. My Note 2 didn't see root for 4 months after purchase. The only reason I did root was to add ViPER.

Waiting here as well.
480dpi is killing me tho

Hi y'all!
Actually I was fairly lucky I didn't root right away. The first device I received turned out to be a dud. It took about a week to be sure but when it started reboot looping i turned it in.
Had it been rooted it might had been made an issue.
When I root it though I'll just kick Knox out. Never had any security issues. In my experience it only takes a little common sense.
Regards
Elo.

From what I understand the same issue with the Knox counter stepping up was not fixed yet on the galaxy S4 though the device was released a couple of month back already, don't know if it's really worth it to wait for a workaround to be found soon!

Enough with KNOX already, cripes!

Your factory warranty will not be voided if you simply root you device. A simple OTA update (say too Kit kat, from approved channels) WILL trip KNOX. My wife's stock 8" got the update through Samsung and the fuse tripped. Those of you *****ing about it are going to sure be red when you do update to KitKat and find out its been tripped. I work for a legacy company that only uses secure devices. That's why we have KNOX, its not for a witch hunt to find out who has rooted what and wiggle out of the warranty. Unless you change how the CPU works ( overclocking and such) that can damage the device, that is a different story. But simply rooting without any additional adjustments other than program removal, debloating or changing how buttons work will not void your manufacturers warranty.
This has been bugging me for while.
Sorry.
Back to Star trek.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
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mk2flip said:
Your factory warranty will not be voided if you simply root you device. A simple OTA update (say too Kit kat, from approved channels) WILL trip KNOX. My wife's stock 8" got the update through Samsung and the fuse tripped. Those of you *****ing about it are going to sure be red when you do update to KitKat and find out its been tripped. I work for a legacy company that only uses secure devices. That's why we have KNOX, its not for a witch hunt to find out who has rooted what and wiggle out of the warranty. Unless you change how the CPU works ( overclocking and such) that can damage the device, that is a different story. But simply rooting without any additional adjustments other than program removal, debloating or changing how buttons work will not void your manufacturers warranty.
This has been bugging me for while.
Sorry.
Back to Star trek.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
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In download mode it quite clearly reads "warranty is void". Now if that message will be honored by the manufacturer and/or vendor (it) is another story altogether. But as far as the device knows the warranty *is* Void and none of your links deny that.
Now knox , may well have been designed for corporate security, sure, but that doesn't stop Samsung to also use it to deny paying for warranties. You , can call it a scheme as much as you want, but there is not one official source to deny that.
Was the knox wire tripped from official update? Bummer, no warranty for you...

Samsung in Scandinavia (Samsung Nordic office) has confirmed that a tripped knox is auto void warranty ...
A friend of mine works for a major tech importer (they sell to retailers, but also handle a good deal of the warranty shipping/repairs etc) for the scandinavian countries and according to him the support dept is supposed to check if the knox fuse is 0X0 before they do anything with the device. Major bummer!!

Upgrading my Note 3 from stock 4.3 to stock 4.4 most definitely did NOT trip my Knox counter. There would be no reason for that to happen, since Knox checks for non-Samsung firmware, and an update sent out by Samsung is (obviously) Samsung firmware.

A factory update will trip the fuse. Knox is added after the initial os is compiled. The problem is that most service centers or regional Samsung centers don't even really understand what KNOX is for. So when they see it tripped they assume that you did something detrimental to the device. When we purchased 150 s4, 8" and 10" we had a Samsung coporate rep show our staff the many enterprise features that can be implemented on the devices. He's the one that told us that simply a rooted device will not void warranty. We have had over 20 devices covered under warranty by 3 different service centers that have been rooted. Now changing Roms and kernels are a different story, we had warranty rejected by the same regional centers for 3 of our devices that we were doing testing on that had these. We have dealt with this extensively over the last 6 months or so.
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The counter trips when ANYONE attempts to rewrite or change the original firmware, factory or otherwise. This includes updates from Samsung. They don't even have the ability to reset the fuse. It requires surgery on the device.
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This simply isn't true.
The purpose of Knox is not to check for any updates but to check for tampering with the bootloader. I know nothing of the circumstances of your sister's update but numerous people have updated Knox-enabled devices with stock updates and Knox has NOT been tripped nor is it supposed to be.
Apart from anything, what you say defies common sense. What would be the purpose of a hardware fuse that tripped when any update is applied? Knox is there so that enterprises can check whether a device has been tampered with and deny certain functionality if that has happened. This wouldn't work if it were tripped by authorised updates.
There are threads here and in other forums that show that Knox is not tripped by standard updates or flashing stock ROMs (although there are limited examples where this has happened - they are very much the minority).
Added to which, there have been conflicting statements made by Samsung and its representatives over the implications of Knox 0x1. Some have said that all warranties are void. Some that warranty may not be refused if the problem is unequivocally unconnected with rooting/installing a 3rd party ROM (e.g. the home button breaking). The situation is far from clear and concerns over the implications of tripping the Knox fuse will remain well-founded until there is an authoritative statement from Samsung that Knox 0x1 will never void the hardware warranty and such a statement has not yet been made and probably never will be.

mk2flip said:
A factory update will trip the fuse. Knox is added after the initial os is compiled. The problem is that most service centers or regional Samsung centers don't even really understand what KNOX is for. So when they see it tripped they assume that you did something detrimental to the device. When we purchased 150 s4, 8" and 10" we had a Samsung coporate rep show our staff the many enterprise features that can be implemented on the devices. He's the one that told us that simply a rooted device will not void warranty. We have had over 20 devices covered under warranty by 3 different service centers that have been rooted. Now changing Roms and kernels are a different story, we had warranty rejected by the same regional centers for 3 of our devices that we were doing testing on that had these. We have dealt with this extensively over the last 6 months or so.
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mk2flip said:
The counter trips when ANYONE attempts to rewrite or change the original firmware, factory or otherwise. This includes updates from Samsung. They don't even have the ability to reset the fuse. It requires surgery on the device.
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That is simply not true. I've updated my Galaxy Note 3 from Samsung official firmware to Samsung official firmware, and my Knox counter is not tripped. I'm sure if what you are saying is true (that any update will trip it), we would have heard from some Android news outlet or from a lot more than one person on XDA.

hurrpancakes said:
That is simply not true.
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I and many others up- and downgrade already their Note with OTA, Kies, Odin and so long you flash a original firmware signed by Samsung, the Knox counter is not set.
And the story with the warranty is something else. So long we didn't get reports that someone didn't get the warranty, I am observant.

KNOX is what it is. It affects probably 5% of people (enthusiasts) who buy Samsung devices. The other 95% don't know what root or a bootloader is and probably won't ever activate KNOX (the app) and it'll lay dormant on their devices forever. KNOX 2.0 is coming so those hoping it'll go away or that the *****ing of the 5% is somehow going to influence Samsung's position on KNOX either have to learn to live with it or buy non-Samsung devices.
BYOD is a huge market and why KNOX exists. The 5% of device owners that hate KNOX and the limitations on modding it applies are expendable.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/new-knox-solutions-being-announced-mwc
As for warranty repairs on KNOX-tripped devices there are plenty of reports I've seen saying the warranty has been honored. That's not to say every regional Samsung repair center is going to play by the same set of rules but it also means there's no hard and fast policy that's corporate-wide designed to screw people out of warranty repairs they are entitled to.
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It took about a week between sending it in and getting it back. The issue I had was that the note would not reboot if you pulled the battery and reinserted without having to connect it to the charger. Before I sent it in, i flashed back to stock using ODIN. I checked the status of the repair and it said they had replaced a component. I wasn't sure if they were going to do anything since I had tripped KNOX counter.
**The kicker**
I got it back today and immediately went into download mode and to my surprise, KNOX was reset to 0X0!! I know they said they were going to flash it back to stock when they got it, but i didn't think KNOX could be reset (even by them).
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2637718

This whole Knox thing was worrying me, as a potential UK purchaser of a Note 10.1 2014 who needs root to be able to run several apps that I want to use.
If rooting was going to void the warranty anyway, I would have just bought a cheaper USA model and be done with it (as there would be no UK warranty anyway). However if I should still get my two-years EU warranty then I might pay the exorbitant UK prices for a local model. Someone really ought to introduce the tech companies to the exchange rate (even with taxes & duties, US is still miles cheaper)
Andre

BarryH_GEG said:
KNOX is what it is. It affects probably 5% of people (enthusiasts) who buy Samsung devices. The other 95% don't know what root or a bootloader is and probably won't ever activate KNOX (the app) and it'll lay dormant on their devices forever. KNOX 2.0 is coming so those hoping it'll go away or that the *****ing of the 5% is somehow going to influence Samsung's position on KNOX either have to learn to live with it or buy non-Samsung devices.
BYOD is a huge market and why KNOX exists. The 5% of device owners that hate KNOX and the limitations on modding it applies are expendable.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/new-knox-solutions-being-announced-mwc
As for warranty repairs on KNOX-tripped devices there are plenty of reports I've seen saying the warranty has been honored. That's not to say every regional Samsung repair center is going to play by the same set of rules but it also means there's no hard and fast policy that's corporate-wide designed to screw people out of warranty repairs they are entitled to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2637718
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With a Jtag box it is possible to downgrade from Knox, provided you have a previously made pre Knox backup. From what I understand, even by rewriting the entire ROM space, you still can't reset the warranty bit. Not sure where exactly it is. As for People11's note coming back with it reset, he mentioned they "replaced a component." Whatever they replaced apparently held the warranty bit. Samsung might not even be able to reset it themselves, but swapping out the right hardware with fresh stuff will (obviously) take care of it.
It is true that only a small percentage of all users are affected by Knox; however, they are all on xda, and in fact make up the vast majority here. Samsung can do whatever they want to their phones, and I'm sure the warranty bit will save them a chunk of change. Still, it doesn't mean it's not a total **** move, and worthy of *****ing. The development behind Samsung devices is part of what makes them so great, and why people love them.
Tossing a big "F you" in the face of the people that make that happen is in bad taste. I also think you are underestimating the amount of users who root their phones, and the influence developers and the like have on a devices success. Not all development is for root users, but the people responsible for the best stuff, root or otherwise, are typically people who use root.
Sure, the galaxy s 5 will never end up being burried en masse out in the desert a la E.T The extraterrestrial, and I'm sure the Samsung executives won't be going hungry anytime soon no matter how much they crack down on warranty claims. Long term, however, I would say that restricting development and a devices friendliness towards modification will have a detrimental effect as time goes on.

nvan7891 said:
With a Jtag box it is possible to downgrade from Knox, provided you have a previously made pre Knox backup. From what I understand, even by rewriting the entire ROM space, you still can't reset the warranty bit. Not sure where exactly it is. As for People11's note coming back with it reset, he mentioned they "replaced a component." Whatever they replaced apparently held the warranty bit. Samsung might not even be able to reset it themselves, but swapping out the right hardware with fresh stuff will (obviously) take care of it.
It is true that only a small percentage of all users are affected by Knox; however, they are all on xda, and in fact make up the vast majority here. Samsung can do whatever they want to their phones, and I'm sure the warranty bit will save them a chunk of change. Still, it doesn't mean it's not a total **** move, and worthy of *****ing. The development behind Samsung devices is part of what makes them so great, and why people love them.
Tossing a big "F you" in the face of the people that make that happen is in bad taste. I also think you are underestimating the amount of users who root their phones, and the influence developers and the like have on a devices success. Not all development is for root users, but the people responsible for the best stuff, root or otherwise, are typically people who use root.
Sure, the galaxy s 5 will never end up being burried en masse out in the desert a la E.T The extraterrestrial, and I'm sure the Samsung executives won't be going hungry anytime soon no matter how much they crack down on warranty claims. Long term, however, I would say that restricting development and a devices friendliness towards modification will have a detrimental effect as time goes on.
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There were 968M smartphones sold in 2013. There are 5M XDA members of varying degrees of participation. Based on how vocal we are here it's easy to overestimate our importance. If unlocked bootloaders, pure android, and unfettered root access were so meaningful you'd think Nexus h/w would make up more than its current 2% of total Android devices in use. The masses could care less about the things XDA'rs do.

But keep in mind the LARGE number of Chinese phones open to root (some use it as a marketing point like Oppo) the Chinese market is full of hackers and modders because that is the only way to access many forms of media, news, and social networking. Combined with the higher average test scores and heavy android preference in the developing nations and I would say the number of people with us is Far greater than 5 million. Enough to make any one company take notice. These people crave freedom. As do I. I think we take the ignorance of the average American consumer and imagine it represents the whole of the world. But in reality America is Just full of idiots and xda represents the few good in the nation (and of course other nations)
Other nations are full of much more savvy and informed consumers. More like us.

Some of my SS device bought from another country so they have no warranty
I have fun with them a lot rooting/custom rom flashing.
But now with my P601 I bought it in my country it has warranty ....
so I am not thinking about rooting or anything.....

ps000000 said:
Some of my SS device bought from another country so they have no warranty
I have fun with them a lot rooting/custom rom flashing.
But now with my P601 I bought it in my country it has warranty ....
so I am not thinking about rooting or anything.....
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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I have a SquareTrade policy on my Note. However, the SquareTrade excludes damage due to software. So, I would expect that if the Knox flag is tripped then the SquareTrade dollars are worthless. Unless one wants to go the dark route and submerse the Note in water "accidentally."

TabGuy said:
I have a SquareTrade policy on my Note. However, the SquareTrade excludes damage due to software. So, I would expect that if the Knox flag is tripped then the SquareTrade dollars are worthless. Unless one wants to go the dark route and submerse the Note in water "accidentally."
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I don't that the Knox being tripped would void square trade...
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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Tell me more... Is square trade cool or what.. Just spent 656 on a smp605 and I don't know if I have a warranty or not... I know inhabe a month and 127 bucks is not allot.
MB865/ST-ATT/4.4.2/BMM
ZLP- SM-N900W8/Att-ST/OxO/CWM/ViSiOn NB7_4.4.2,Madmack 2.0
SMP605- ? brand new

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Tell me more... Is square trade cool or what.. Just spent 656 on a smp605 and I don't know if I have a warranty or not... I know inhabe a month and 127 bucks is not allot.
MB865/ST-ATT/4.4.2/BMM
ZLP- SM-N900W8/Att-ST/OxO/CWM/ViSiOn NB7_4.4.2,Madmack 2.0
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Just go to the square trade website.
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Root note 4 WITHOUT Tripping KNOX???

Will be in the near future a way to Root The Note 4 WITHOUT Tripping KNOX? I want to root but don't want to loose my warranty.
Is it possible???

i doubt it if so it will be months away but rooting alone does not void Warranty

Uniquebarbee said:
i doubt it if so it will be months away but rooting alone does not void Warranty
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Are you sure about this?

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Are you sure about this?
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From what i've read it's supposed to void your warranty, yet there's people who say they've had warranty repairs carried out with KNOX tripped, so it's pot luck as far as i tell

Have them explain how tripping knox broke your hardware.
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I work for an authorized Samsung Service Center in Canada and we do not check knox fuse when you bring your device in. Just make sure it's unrooted before you bring it in not to make things too obvious

There must be someone like the dev who create towelroot that didnt trip knox for note3 and previous versions.
Am using it on my tab note 2014 edition.

Honestly, atm it's too risky to root with tripping KNOX and then hope that your warranty service won't care about that. It's a 50/50. Waiting for a non-KNOX root.

If you're in the EU with all the many consumer protection laws, I doubt Samsung would get away with not repairing a hardware fault on a device unless they can prove it's because you rooted.
I'd soon be taking them to a small claims court if my now unrooted phone screws up within two years and they refused to repair or replace (I tripped knox)
knox being a hardware fuse is simply a shameful attempt by Samsung to claim you have modified the hardware and therefore voiding your warranty.
Just root if you really want it, like people have said before, most repair centres don't care if the knox fuse had been changed.

Would Knox will be tripped if I install stock firmware through Odin?

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If you're in the EU with all the many consumer protection laws, I doubt Samsung would get away with not repairing a hardware fault on a device unless they can prove it's because you rooted.
I'd soon be taking them to a small claims court if my now unrooted phone screws up within two years and they refused to repair or replace (I tripped knox)
knox being a hardware fuse is simply a shameful attempt by Samsung to claim you have modified the hardware and therefore voiding your warranty.
Just root if you really want it, like people have said before, most repair centres don't care if the knox fuse had been changed.
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Hmm, here in Lithuania, my almost 2 yr old, heavily modified S3's SIM reading died (EFS partition R.I.P) and they said they won't repair it because of obvious reasons. I forgot to unroot though. That's why I'm really scared to touch my N4 yet.

Just make sure you unroot flash a stock firmware if you have to repair your phone for some reason. Who needs KNOX anyways

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Just make sure you unroot flash a stock firmware if you have to repair your phone for some reason. Who needs KNOX anyways
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Don't you think those 'professional' guys check KNOX before doing anything?

Actually if you still want to retain warranty status I would suggest to root after 8-9 months(assuming it's 1yr warranty) after getting the phone. If you can maintain that long without going to service centre, I'm certain that one would not need to visit a service centre after rooting the phone.
That way 8-9 mnths from now more developments would have been released and you'll have more things to try out without the need of going to a service centre.

I'm not sure what professional guys you speak of but the carriers service center does not care when fixing your phone as long as you return to stock firmware before you turn it in. So you could always wait for eternity

Uniquebarbee said:
I'm not sure what professional guys you speak of but the carriers service center does not care when fixing your phone as long as you return to stock firmware before you turn it in. So you could always wait for eternity
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By professional I meant carriers service. So basically once my phone, god let that not happen, breaks, I just install non-rooted firmware with ODIN and I'm good to go?

Yes :good:

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Yes :good:
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Well I'ma trust you on this one, let the customization begin!

:good: ^5 welcome to the darkside

I'm not rooted yet but am considering it once a few more weeks pass.
If something's fundamentally wrong with the hardware, it should manifest within a month, I'd like to think. Plus, I've never had a phone need repairs in the past. Which obviously bears no relation to this one going bad or not.
I doubt there'll be a ton of ROM choices for the Duos version but Play Store, Titanium, and Nandroids are nice to have.
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Help me find Closure (with Knox)..

I've always TWRPed and rooted my phones in the past but I am struggling to live with the fact that if I do this with my S7E I'll be tripping KNOX (whatever the implications might be) and that action is irreversible. (I live in the UK btw)
I had a S6E and rooted using pingpong so all was good then (although missing Xposed was a bit of a bummer) but still had KNOX intact and my conscious clean.
I need help to overcome the fear of tripping KNOX; rooted and especially Xposed make life easier.
Thanks!

Okay simple:
UK here on EE
Knox = Never effected my warranty
Knox = Security Suit, Its for Businesses, So we can issue devices without the risk of someone accessing data on the device we wish to not grant.
i.e. a Client application that holds all client details requires a level of security for Data protection.
On this we cannot allow unauthorised application to access the system in case of data breach
If there was no Knox we would have no way to control this.
Rooting a device breaks the security of Knox, hence the Trip on the counter.
This just means for someone like me, i can see that someone has attempted to access the system in ways not permitted in the contract.
In other countries the Knox has voided peoples warranty, But i find it a hard ground for them to stand on considering its all Software.

I actually purchased it from Amazon.de but the same should apply.
Regardless, the only thing (that we currently know of) that affects 'us' as consumers is the loss of Samsung Pay (if and when it arrives in the UK). Is there anything else that goes along with KNOX?

dave7802 said:
Okay simple:
UK here on EE
Knox = Never effected my warranty
Knox = Security Suit, Its for Businesses, So we can issue devices without the risk of someone accessing data on the device we wish to not grant.
i.e. a Client application that holds all client details requires a level of security for Data protection.
On this we cannot allow unauthorised application to access the system in case of data breach
If there was no Knox we would have no way to control this.
Rooting a device breaks the security of Knox, hence the Trip on the counter.
This just means for someone like me, i can see that someone has attempted to access the system in ways not permitted in the contract.
In other countries the Knox has voided peoples warranty, But i find it a hard ground for them to stand on considering its all Software.
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I actually purchased it from Amazon.de but the same should apply.
Regardless, the only thing (that we currently know of) that affects 'us' as consumers is the loss of Samsung Pay (if and when it arrives in the UK). Is there anything else that goes along with KNOX?

ombadboy said:
I actually purchased it from Amazon.de but the same should apply.
Regardless, the only thing (that we currently know of) that affects 'us' as consumers is the loss of Samsung Pay (if and when it arrives in the UK). Is there anything else that goes along with KNOX?
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But does Knox void the manufacturers warranty or not?

gaz_0001 said:
But does Knox void the manufacturers warranty or not?
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This is open for debate and there are known examples either way. It certainly didn't in the past here in the UK, or perhaps I was just lucky. Around 18 months ago I sent my S4 in for repair with a faulty sim tray. And despite Knox being tripped, they replaced the mainboard no questions asked and it was returned with a different serial number and Knox at 0x0. However, I have since read about a couple of people sending their S7/S7E off for repair and being refused thanks to a tripped Knox flag.
To sum up, I wouldn't rule out a warranty repair with a knox trip, but nor would I assume it will definitely happen. I suspect it depends on a combination of factors. The repair center and whether the engineer got laid the night before being two of them.