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Root questions

Hi all,
I pre ordered my 16gb nexus 7 last week.
And I am thinking I will root it as soon as it arrives, but I have the following worries/questions:
If I root and unlock the bootloader, will I still get ota updates?
If I root and unlock the bootloader, is it possible to re-root it and re-lock the bootloader for warranty purposes?
Is the a large chance of bricking it by rooting it? Or is it quite safe now?
Is the any real reason why I shouldn't root it?
Sorry for all these questions, but I am currently using a rooted galaxy s2, and that comes with the bootloader pre-unlocked, so I am not familiar with locked bootloader lol
Thanks in advance for any help
Cheers corey
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Ps,
I also noticed that the are a few methods of rooting the n7, does anyone know which method that installs Cwm permanently is best?
Cheers
Corey
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Yes you will be still able to get OTA updates, though you may will lose root after an OTA. It's only when you begin flashing alternate recoveries, kernels, ROMs etc. will you lose the ability to receive OTAs.
I'm not sure what you mean by re-root again (maybe you mean unroot??). But from the Nexus trend, you will be able to relock the bootloader after unlocking it (though I don't see a point unless you're about to return it). Regarding the unroot thing, all you have to do is just reflash the stock ROM or just remove the su binary and the su management application (SuperSU or Superuser).
It's relatively safe to say that you can root it without bricking your tablet. These days, it's pretty hard to actually brick your device unless you do something absolutely moronic i.e. flash the wrong bootloader.
Well, to answer your question, do you need root? If you don't need it nor do you understand what its purpose is, don't. Some uses include being able to access /system/ to maybe delete bloatware (there shouldn't be any on a Nexus device), some apps may get further functionality e.g. some apps might intentionally auto-turn on your GPS when you've lost your phone etc.
Clockwork recovery is totally separate to root. A recovery is used to flash things e.g. root, ROMs, kernels etc. When CWR is released for the Nexus 7, all you have to do is run "fastboot flash recovery <name of recovery>.img" (well that's what I'd run since I'm using Linux).

Hi,
Yes I did mean unroot lol, I was typing it from my phone lol.
Ok thanks heaps, I will root it as soon as it arrives lol.
And yes I know all about root, I have a galaxy s2 which has been rooted a year, and I spend most of my day flashing mods and roms lol. I just wasn't familiar with locked bootloader.
But you said that if I flash recoveries I won't receive ota updates, so if I flash Cwm recovery, will I not receive ota updates?
Thanks heaps for all your help
Cheers
Corey
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fishingfon said:
Hi,
Yes I did mean unroot lol, I was typing it from my phone lol.
Ok thanks heaps, I will root it as soon as it arrives lol.
And yes I know all about root, I have a galaxy s2 which has been rooted a year, and I spend most of my day flashing mods and roms lol. I just wasn't familiar with locked bootloader.
But you said that if I flash recoveries I won't receive ota updates, so if I flash Cwm recovery, will I not receive ota updates?
Thanks heaps for all your help
Cheers
Corey
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Ahh righteo, a locked bootloader just means you can't flash anything. And yes, you are correct, if you flash any recovery that isn't stock and matches with the build of Android, you will lose the ability to receive OTAs.
No worries .

Can it be rooted from a Mac book?? (My bros not mine lol) I always root my devices ..never had a tablet nor a nexus so just wondering..if I can I'll figure the rest
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armyboy11b said:
Can it be rooted from a Mac book?? (My bros not mine lol) I always root my devices ..never had a tablet nor a nexus so just wondering..if I can I'll figure the rest
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Yep, it can be rooted on all the main OS's.

New Nexus 7 root & system update

Hello,
I just bought a Nexus 7 for my girlfriend, and followed directions to unlock bootloader/root it and it was very easy to do (thanks Devs!).
My question is, it keeps prompting to do a system update. If I run the system update, will it retain root? If not can I re-root after the update?
I shot myself in the foot with my Sony Tablet S after applying the ICS update and lost root and there is no work around at the moment. I dont want the same thing to happen to the Nexus 7 so asking if anyone as ran into this yet.
Thanks in advance

mikeblahblah said:
Hello,
I just bought a Nexus 7 for my girlfriend, and followed directions to unlock bootloader/root it and it was very easy to do (thanks Devs!).
My question is, it keeps prompting to do a system update. If I run the system update, will it retain root? If not can I re-root after the update?
I shot myself in the foot with my Sony Tablet S after applying the ICS update and lost root and there is no work around at the moment. I dont want the same thing to happen to the Nexus 7 so asking if anyone as ran into this yet.
Thanks in advance
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You will lose root with an ota, but you can re root easily again

You still can re-root mate.
Tapatalked from my HOX

install vodoo rootkit.

Rock on, thanks all!!
swisstourist said:
install vodoo rootkit.
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Nexus 7 rooting is EZMODE!!! Thanks to the badass toolkit http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809195

[Q] Root and keep OTA updates?

So I'm planning on using WugFresh's toolkit to root my Nexus 7. Its my understanding right now that as long as I keep the stock recovery I should still be able to receive OTA updates. Is this correct? I'm not interested in flashing any roms or recoveries, just want to get root access but keep the ability to get OTA updates. Will this work for me?

Ninja45 said:
So I'm planning on using WugFresh's toolkit to root my Nexus 7. Its my understanding right now that as long as I keep the stock recovery I should still be able to receive OTA updates. Is this correct? I'm not interested in flashing any roms or recoveries, just want to get root access but keep the ability to get OTA updates. Will this work for me?
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Yes, if you simply just root your device, then OTA updates will be fine.
I did the same with my N7
But I used the other toolkit, cant remember the creator but didn't use WugFresh

Wilks3y said:
Yes, if you simply just root your device, then OTA updates will be fine.
I did the same with my N7
But I used the other toolkit, cant remember the creator but didn't use WugFresh
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Awesome, I will go ahead then. THANKS!

Im on aokp, If i hear news of a new update coming out for android, can i just simply flash back to the stock android file and get the OTA?

[Q] Best way to root..?

Hi guys!
I have just bought a Nexus7 32gb WiFi.
Which is the best way to root my device?
I don't want to try custom roms yet.
Just to have the stock firmware but rooted.
Should i prefer to use a toolkit with all the steps of unlock bootloader / root etc,
or maybe something else (ex.CF-Auto-Root etc)..?
Thanks in advance!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809195
Used that the first day I had it. Couldn't ask for easier rooting. Start with 1 and work your way down to what you need.
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Thanks for the reply.
And now the noob question..
If i'll unlock & root the device, it might cause problems to accept ota updates..?
After ota update, i suppose that needs root again..?

It won't cause problems with OTA updates - OTA updates simply will not work, period.
If you want the release of an OTA update after you root, you will have to go back to stock again to get the update.

ynrozturk said:
It won't cause problems with OTA updates - OTA updates simply will not work, period.
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That's what i meant..
ynrozturk said:
If you want the release of an OTA update after you root, you will have to go back to stock again to get the update.
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So, after rooting, what's the way to get the updated firmwares?

Use OTA RootKeeper (http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper&hl=en)
... it will backup your root (SU binary) and with it you can temporarily unroot - get the OTA update, and restore root again.
Rgrds,
Ged.

I don't want to offend MSkip at all, but I tried both toolkits and MSkip's is just not as friendly as Wug's.
Wug's toolkit is the simplest and easiest way of rooting I have ever experienced. Its that good, my nan could root the bloody thing, and she can't even use a touch device.
Like I said, no offence MSkip but Wug, your my winner.
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/

Agreed, Wug's toolkit is supreme.

I've only used Wug's so I can't comment on any others, but I can agree that yes, Wug's toolkit is supreme.
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Root for Ultra/Maxx after 4.4

Has anyone been following the MotoX root method for Kit Kat seeing how it'll likely be the same for Ultra/Maxx? Wow! After seeing all the problems with RockMyMoto this method (assuming it'll work for us) is sure to be a doosie!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538896
SlapMyMoto 0.5c Beta (4.4 root, RW to system)
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What problems? Inability to follow directions?
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Exactly!
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Lol one of the issues we won't face is downgrading I am so glad the moto x gets these updates before us. We get to see all the pitfalls.

Buy dev edition. Unlock bootloader. Install custom recovery. Install su. Profit?
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arcanexvi said:
Buy dev edition. Unlock bootloader. Install custom recovery. Install su. Profit?
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Out of stock ATM

arcanexvi said:
Buy dev edition. Unlock bootloader. Install custom recovery. Install su. Profit?
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I've been thinking of finding someone willing to trade a dev edition for a regular+cash. It didnt make sense to get it at the time when the Verizon store had them for $499 and the dev edition was $650-ish, but i'm starting to itch for some custom ROMs. All this waiting for official stuff is getting old.

bigv5150 said:
Lol one of the issues we won't face is downgrading I am so glad the moto x gets these updates before us. We get to see all the pitfalls.
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And why wouldn't we have to down grade? And wipe all our date to update and root?

MonkeyMouth said:
And why wouldn't we have to down grade? And wipe all our date to update and root?
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I'm glad you asked because were already on 4.2.2 why would we downgrade. The moto x got the update and jcase hadn't created the exploit yet which requires you to be on 4.2.2 so they had to down grade. Jcase just updated the exploit and is looking for droid testers his instructions say to downgrade unless your already on 4.2.2 My advie is to not install the update yet if you want root. You will just have to downgrade its more work. If you take the update pull it and put on your PC don't install it. I have the updater frozen so as soon as the update is posted I will attempt to root again on 4.2.2 and install the update hope it works smoothly.

bigv5150 said:
I'm glad you asked because were already on 4.2.2 why would we downgrade. The moto x got the update and jcase hadn't created the exploit yet which requires you to be on 4.2.2 so they had to down grade. Jcase just updated the exploit and is looking for droid testers his instructions say to downgrade unless your already on 4.2.2 My advie is to not install the update yet if you want root. You will just have to downgrade its more work. If you take the update pull it and put on your PC don't install it. I have the updater frozen so as soon as the update is posted I will attempt to root again on 4.2.2 and install the update hope it works smoothly.
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That clears things up immensly! Thanks for taking the time to explain the process. I am currently on 4.2.2 and rooted. I'm just waiting for the update to drop so I can make a copy for people who need it. Then I'll try to root the new update.

MonkeyMouth said:
That clears things up immensly! Thanks for taking the time to explain the process. I am currently on 4.2.2 and rooted. I'm just waiting for the update to drop so I can make a copy for people who need it. Then I'll try to root the new update.
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Here check this out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48648074#post48648074 im waiting for jcase to get back to me if we need to unroot. I would assume so a fxz of 4.2.2 would be the best platform to try this on. It seems fairly simple to be honest his instructions are very straight foward. I feel bad for the guys that took the update they have to downgrade.

Just FYI, adb shell getprop ro.boot.write_protect is still 0 after unrooting, stock 4.2.2, then taking the KitKat OTA. Might this make it easier to root 4.4 standalone? Or should I just go back down to 4.2.2 and follow slap?

dtreth said:
Just FYI, adb shell getprop ro.boot.write_protect is still 0 after unrooting, stock 4.2.2, then taking the KitKat OTA. Might this make it easier to root 4.4 standalone? Or should I just go back down to 4.2.2 and follow slap?
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Would you be willing to:
1. Verify if downgrading back to 4.2.2 (12.15.15 firmware) is possible with the DROID line?
2. Verify if SlapMyMoto works with the DROID line?

dtreth said:
Just FYI, adb shell getprop ro.boot.write_protect is still 0 after unrooting, stock 4.2.2, then taking the KitKat OTA. Might this make it easier to root 4.4 standalone? Or should I just go back down to 4.2.2 and follow slap?
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You can't root on 4.4 only 4.2.2 doesn't matter that write protection is off. i wish it was that simple.

tehcodeman said:
Would you be willing to:
1. Verify if downgrading back to 4.2.2 (12.15.15 firmware) is possible with the DROID line?
2. Verify if SlapMyMoto works with the DROID line?
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I will when I get home. I have the files there, but I didn't grab my update.zip and I'm not sure if I can get it back after FXZing, so I may wait until I find it.
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You can't root on 4.4 only 4.2.2 doesn't matter that write protection is off. i wish it was that simple.
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What I meant by my comment was "hey guys, MotoWpNoMo survived OTA! Would this make it easier to develop a 4.4 root method that does not require downgrading?"

dtreth said:
I will when I get home. I have the files there, but I didn't grab my update.zip and I'm not sure if I can get it back after FXZing, so I may wait until I find it.
What I meant by my comment was "hey guys, MotoWpNoMo survived OTA! Would this make it easier to develop a 4.4 root method that does not require downgrading?"
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I don't think it matters but that is a ? For jcase.

So in my excitement to flash 4.4, I forgot to take into account losing the root. So I tried to downgrade as per JCase's suggestion, but there's a big problem if you already successfully installed the OTA. It is an updated security signature and software. Because of this, RSD Lite and fastboot return with the error of "Flash failed. Downgraded security version". Does anyone have a workaround or an updated FXZ that will flash over 4.4 to revert back to 4.2.2 so I can try the JCase's backdoor method?

ExceterM said:
So in my excitement to flash 4.4, I forgot to take into account losing the root. So I tried to downgrade as per JCase's suggestion, but there's a big problem if you already successfully installed the OTA. It is an updated security signature and software. Because of this, RSD Lite and fastboot return with the error of "Flash failed. Downgraded security version". Does anyone have a workaround or an updated FXZ that will flash over 4.4 to revert back to 4.2.2 so I can try the JCase's backdoor method?
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Mad at you. How do you have the 4.4 update already.

After unlocking the booter, and following the instructions for SlapMyMoto, I was able to install the update for my Mini and retain root. You can do it!

zefyx said:
After unlocking the booter, and following the instructions for SlapMyMoto, I was able to install the update for my Mini and retain root. You can do it!
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It doesn't unlock the bootloader. Just takes off the write protection so you don't need to reboot your phone into recovery to turn it off. Which allows you to use the actual stock recovery as well.