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Does rooting prevent OTA updates on the nexus?

All I want to use is market enabler, I don't want customs roms or anything of the sort. Does rooting a device prevents OTA updates? I've read mixed responses, some say that rooting does not but unlocking the bootloader does while others say to root you need to unlock the bootloader, can anyone please clarify this for me?
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mobiousblack said:
All I want to use is market enabler, I don't want customs roms or anything of the sort. Does rooting a device prevents OTA updates? I've read mixed responses, some say that rooting does not but unlocking the bootloader does while others say to root you need to unlock the bootloader, can anyone please clarify this for me?
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If you root and unlock but you stay on the stock ROM you will still get OTA updates, but you might lose root access. To keep root access install this app:https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsIm9yZy5wcm9qZWN0dm9vZG9vLm90YXJvb3RrZWVwZXIiXQ..
You can also re-root after updating. So far, there are root methods for Android 4.1, 4.1.1, and 4.1.2. Those are currently the only versions of Jelly Bean available now so you should be fine if you want to update to 4.1.1 or 4.1.2.

Thank you very much for the reply. I'll root mine ASAP.
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[ROOT][.253]Xperia Z Rooted (no others roms)

I finally rooted my Xperia Z, using recovery. I upgraded my firmware to .253 and flashed this:
-Root by recovery by Emerald
in CWM (TWRP aslo works, obviously).
Screens:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5804/screenshot2013051723013.png
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6540/screenshot2013051723012.png

Hey mate,
This seems great.
Can you provide more details pls.
And some instructions?
I am on 1.253 very stock without CWM.
Regards
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andreipga85 said:
Hey mate,
This seems great.
Can you provide more details pls.
And some instructions?
I am on 1.253 very stock without CWM.
Regards
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I am using DooMKernel v6 (cause I like it), with this kernel you have CWM just flashing by fastboot boot.img (guide in that topic) and then you can flash .zip file in first post here

1. Is it for Locked or Unlocked bootloader?
2. Is it Deodexed?

So you need to unlock the BL. With not rooted stock fw you can't backup your ta partition before doing that

mmamedov said:
1. Is it for Locked or Unlocked bootloader?
2. Is it Deodexed?
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Of course is an Unloocked bootloader!
Just stock rom, no edit
unistalled systems app with link2sd, so it works great

ccab said:
So you need to unlock the BL. With not rooted stock fw you can't backup your ta partition before doing that
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I have UNLOCKED bootloader, root and TWRP recovery.
Anyway, I've got an answer. Thank you, EmeraldTimer for uploading rom. I will try to deodex it

Dude none of that is what gave you root. Flashing DooMKernel is what gave you root access. You will never loose root with a unlocked boot loader and a custom kernel.
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I finally rooted my Xperia Z, using recovery. I upgraded my firmware to .253 and flashed this:
-Root by recovery by Emerald
in CWM (TWRP aslo works, obviously).
Screens:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5804/screenshot2013051723013.png
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6540/screenshot2013051723012.png
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Yes you will lose root, but you may get it back anytime and in no time by simply flashing a superuser zip (which this effectively is, it's simply a superuser flashable zip). Preferrably one of the newer superuser management tools like SuperSU or Superuser by Koush. Superuser by ChainsDD is showing it's age and doesn't work properly anymore.

I flashed doomlords 1.25 supersu zip from his doomkernel thread and I hav root as well..
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This is common knowledge

While we don't have an exploit, can we not just flash .434 then root, backup TA, unlock, flash or upgrade to .253, root again then relock and restore TA?
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alexp999 said:
While we don't have an exploit, can we not just flash .434 then root, backup TA, unlock, flash or upgrade to .253, root again then relock and restore TA?
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This would work. However messing with TA can hard brick your phone if something goes wrong. There is a less risk way to root .253 without touching TA.
1. Install .434 and root
2. Install CWM or TWRP recovery for locked bootloader
3. Flash pre-rooted 253 zip from bootloader
4. Use flashtool to flash .253 kernel, baseband and FOTA
Now you got a rooted .253
pre-rooted .253:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2279661
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2282415

alexp999 said:
While we don't have an exploit, can we not just flash .434 then root, backup TA, unlock, flash or upgrade to .253, root again then relock and restore TA?
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Can, I am doing that but still need flash fixed root auto restart issue when locked back.

Michealtbh said:
This is common knowledge
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not THAT common ive been buzzing around these forums since it came out thinking i couldnt root and was waiting for people to crack the root.
Now this thread actually explained to me that with my UL ill never loose root. So yea it was good to know, and its not like im a noob on these forums.
I used this method and it worked so thank you OP.

Why unlock for stock rom? It can be already done without unlocking. Even the latest firmware.
Also OP should modify the posts title to iclude "unlocked". It is misleading now.

exekias said:
not THAT common
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Well, uuhm... how can the knowledge, that putting a su binary and a su rights management program on your device via a flashable zip results in root access, NOT be common? Isn't that what it really is all about?
I'm a 100% with @Michealtbh on this one. Too many peeps which know very little to nothing about the very basic must-know-how-it-works-things around these days. Guys "doing stuff" to their devices should possess a very basic understanding of system mechanics, IMHO.

schaggo said:
Well, uuhm... how can the knowledge, that putting a su binary and a su rights management program on your device via a flashable zip results in root access, NOT be common? Isn't that what it really is all about?
I'm a 100% with @Michealtbh on this one. Too many peeps which know very little to nothing about the very basic must-know-how-it-works-things around these days. Guys "doing stuff" to their devices should possess a very basic understanding of system mechanics, IMHO.
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I really don't think you have the right to dictate what people do and don't know. Not to mention commenting on what people don't know it's the opposite to the aim of these forums.
At least for people benefited from this thread so it's served a purpose. This is a forum not a Wiki you can't attack people for what they do and do not know the intrinsic knowledge needed its quite alot and can only acquired through time and Redding the right threads.
In my own situation my previous Sony was an arc that at the time needed an exploit to root. After that I had a nexus that needed no exploits due to its nature. Now I'm back on Sony and I just assumed we still needed per -software exploits. The thread is filled with people talking about losing root with this upgrade so I just assumed and waited for a new exploit to be discovered. I did not know that the exploit was not needed if your unlocked. So sorry for not knowing all that you know I'll make sure to petition for a sticky that you can dump your worldy knowledge their and so we implement a criteria that you cannot post on this forum until you know everything in the post. How does that sound?
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exekias said:
not THAT common ive been buzzing around these forums since it came out thinking i couldnt root and was waiting for people to crack the root.
Now this thread actually explained to me that with my UL ill never loose root. So yea it was good to know, and its not like im a noob on these forums.
I used this method and it worked so thank you OP.
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If you have an unlocked bootloader the easiest and most common method of rooting for pretty much every Android device is flashing a recovery then flashing a su.zip. Easy. I assumed 90% of XDA users knew this.

Michealtbh said:
If you have an unlocked bootloader the easiest and most common method of rooting for pretty much every Android device is flashing a recovery then flashing a su.zip. Easy. I assumed 90% of XDA users knew this.
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Well sorry for being the 10% who didn't next time I'll save my inquiries for a a place on the internet where we are allowed to ask questions about topical instances like a forum or something, I'll leav you guys and your elite group of know-it-all's alone shall I.

Considering root

However I'm still hesitant. Has anyone noticed a boost in battery or performance after removing the VZW crap ware? This phone seems to have the best stock ui experience next to the nexus phones, and I'm really not looking to ruin that. Any pointers on what is best practice?
I understand unlocking to bootloader, and have been there before with the droid eris and inc 2, but with a poly fuse I'm just not ready to break in yet.
I guess I just need some good convincing.
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I noticed that after I removed the moto service that it had less wake lock time. But I'm running Carbon now so I can't quite remember the amount of benefits.
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8on3s said:
However I'm still hesitant. Has anyone noticed a boost in battery or performance after removing the VZW crap ware? This phone seems to have the best stock ui experience next to the nexus phones, and I'm really not looking to ruin that. Any pointers on what is best practice?
I understand unlocking to bootloader, and have been there before with the droid eris and inc 2, but with a poly fuse I'm just not ready to break in yet.
I guess I just need some good convincing.
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not really sure how much battery life you are looking for, as the device gets 1 day+ stock, and still gets that rooted/debloated. performance does increase though when debloating.
one last benefit is that rooted folks are now on JB 4.2.2 (fully working too!) - not sure when that will be pushed by the carriers.
otherwise, the customization is the key.

I rooted my M long before I decided to put pacman rom on. I didn't really notice any difference in battery life. Biggest reason for me was so that I could use titanium backup to backup my apps. If you do decide to remove the bloat, make sure you do a nandroid backup for when the official upgrade comes out.

Nice, yeah just a little snappier... less bloat. That's all I'm looking for, stock this thing is great. The tool available in the forums, would that enable me to restore my firmware to stock w/o needing to be unlocked?
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8on3s said:
Nice, yeah just a little snappier... less bloat. That's all I'm looking for, stock this thing is great. The tool available in the forums, would that enable me to restore my firmware to stock w/o needing to be unlocked?
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there are some TWRP flashable ROMs that take you back to stock.

Rooting alone will not allow you to get to 4.2.2. That's a benefit of unlocking the bootloader.

BTrack said:
Rooting alone will not allow you to get to 4.2.2. That's a benefit of unlocking the bootloader.
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yeah not worried about the 4.2.2 just making sure the tool will root/allow me to revert to stock if need be, and not trip the fuse, that's only on the boot loader correct?
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8on3s said:
yeah not worried about the 4.2.2 just making sure the tool will root/allow me to revert to stock if need be, and not trip the fuse, that's only on the boot loader correct?
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just use safe strap so u dont have to unlock your bootloader and dont touch the stock slot, then u can just uninstall safe strap and un root when u want to return to stock.

pbanj said:
just use safe strap so u dont have to unlock your bootloader and dont touch the stock slot, then u can just uninstall safe strap and un root when u want to return to stock.
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yeah but you won't get any up to date ROMs using safe strap as its been all but abandoned now that the bootloader has been unlocked. I rooted and stayed stock for the longest (until the bootloader unlock exploit) and was perfectly happy. All I wanted was to use root apps anyway but now that the bootloader is unlocked I have a proper nand back up of the stock rom and can flash and try at will. the space requirements for safe strap killed the appeal of that for me, especially with the inability to move apps to sd.

stanlalee said:
yeah but you won't get any up to date ROMs using safe strap as its been all but abandoned now that the bootloader has been unlocked. I rooted and stayed stock for the longest (until the bootloader unlock exploit) and was perfectly happy. All I wanted was to use root apps anyway but now that the bootloader is unlocked I have a proper nand back up of the stock rom and can flash and try at will. the space requirements for safe strap killed the appeal of that for me, especially with the inability to move apps to sd.
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oh i know this, but if you read the thread you would see he does not want to unlock his bootloader.

pbanj said:
oh i know this, but if you read the thread you would see he does not want to unlock his bootloader.
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Lol no problem, I'm sure as the year passes I will consider unlocking. This phone is such a solid upgrade from what I have had in the past, I'm not too concerned about it. The root was simple, and freezing the useless apps was good enough for my current needs. Thanks for the information though.
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8on3s said:
Lol no problem, I'm sure as the year passes I will consider unlocking. This phone is such a solid upgrade from what I have had in the past, I'm not too concerned about it. The root was simple, and freezing the useless apps was good enough for my current needs. Thanks for the information though.
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I used fast boot to patch the boot logo to get rid of the nag screen. There's a post in the Dev section that runs through the steps.
That way, most customer reps can't tell the difference if you have a warranty issue.
Of course, iirc, you can run an RSD flash to return to a locked bootloader, too, should you need to take care of a warranty issue, too.
If I'm wrong on that, feel free to correct me, everyone
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vrmcbeigh said:
I used fast boot to patch the boot logo to get rid of the nag screen. There's a post in the Dev section that runs through the steps.
That way, most customer reps can't tell the difference if you have a warranty issue.
Of course, iirc, you can run an RSD flash to return to a locked bootloader, too, should you need to take care of a warranty issue, too.
If I'm wrong on that, feel free to correct me, everyone
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I understood the unlocking was done by "breaking" a Polly fuse that cannot be re-written, perhaps one could trick the boot loader.
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8on3s said:
I understood the unlocking was done by "breaking" a Polly fuse that cannot be re-written, perhaps one could trick the boot loader.
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Oh ****. They're QFuses, so unlocking is permanent. You're right.
Anyway, RSD will rewrite the recovery partition back to stock, so only people who know of the fast boot screen can find out. If they even remember to check it.
That means that people who get my devices once they've been refurbished (my phones like to overheat, no matter what model) have the bootloader unlocked already. Sweet.
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Lost root from OTA 9.30

Has anyone keep root after the OTA 9.30. I mistakenly forgot to backup root and unroot then take the update. I just backup root and then took the updates and now I am not root anymore. Can some help me with that?
I need help getting root back?
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TheGman125 said:
Has anyone keep root after the OTA 9.30. I mistakenly forgot to backup root and unroot then take the update. I just backup root and then took the updates and now I am not root anymore. Can some help me with that?
I need help getting root back?
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Is your bootloader unlocked? If it is, try flashing SU in recovery. This should re-root you. Otherwise, you might be stuck for now. I'm sure the devs are diligently working on a new root exploit, but for now you're stuck.

RikRong said:
Is your bootloader unlocked? If it is, try flashing SU in recovery. This should re-root you. Otherwise, you might be stuck for now. I'm sure the devs are diligently working on a new root exploit, but for now you're stuck.
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I am not unlocked but what I am going to do is try to re-root with the same software. I will keep the forum posted with my progress and process.
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Edit: wrong section...

The devs are most likely not diligently working on a new exploit at this point. This phone is last year's model now. This is why you always protect root before an ota. Or just don't take. Most likely your screwed with a stock phone now.
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deeje00 said:
The devs are most likely not diligently working on a new exploit at this point. This phone is last year's model now. This is why you always protect root before an ota. Or just don't take. Most likely your screwed with a stock phone now.
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I understand see that now... The funny thing is my WiFi hotspot still work on the devices.
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[Q] Warranty Return - Rooted/Unlocked

Hey Guys,
So I have my Razr M rooted with an unlocked bootloader and I'm running CM 10.1 stable. My headphone jack is messed up due to some hardware issues so VZW is sending me a warranty replacement. As of right now I still have the warning message that pops up about my bootloader being unlocked...if I flash a new bootloader image, this should take care of the message so that if Verizon turns on my phone that it doesn't look like I've unlocked it correct?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44816389&postcount=29
From - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1901444&page=1

Well if you flash the boot logo that will remove the bootloader unlocked image yes... But your still going to be on cm not to mention the custom recovery.... Then you have the built in root checker and it saying that its unlocked in the fast boot menu.... Then your going to get a device that cannot be unlocked maybe even unrootable... I would have replaced it myself rather then risk the up to $500 fee for sending back that device (if they look into it) and having a device that is not unlockable or rootable.... Normally yes the just inspect it for physically damage and toss it in a bin for later repair but I just always have bad luck with this kind of thing so I would have spent 6$ on a head phone jack and put it in....
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ezknives said:
Well if you flash the boot logo that will remove the bootloader unlocked image yes... But your still going to be on cm not to mention the custom recovery.... Then you have the built in root checker and it saying that its unlocked in the fast boot menu.... Then your going to get a device that cannot be unlocked maybe even unrootable... I would have replaced it myself rather then risk the up to $500 fee for sending back that device (if they look into it) and having a device that is not unlockable or rootable.... Normally yes the just inspect it for physically damage and toss it in a bin for later repair but I just always have bad luck with this kind of thing so I would have spent 6$ on a head phone jack and put it in....
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I've never repaired anything like that and from what I can tell it involves soldering which I have never done and don't own a soldering iron or anything. I'm okay with not having an unlocked bootloader as I figured it was a possibility when I bought the phone in the first place. I just want root mainly to get rid of bloat apps and have AdAway. Those are really the only things I use root for and I don't use a lot of the features that are in some of the custom roms. Especially since I know Kit-Kat is coming to the Razr M now it's not that much of a deal.
Is there a way to flash the stock image and relock the bootloader?

Use Matts utility to flash stock... Then update... There is no way to lock the boot loader... And no soldering needed it's a pressure connect
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So I got my new RAZR M today and it's still running 98.16.3.
I'm having trouble finding which update fixes the exploit to lock the bootloader. Is that 98.18.78? It's not imperative that I unlock the bootloader but I don't want to update my phone if it's going to fix the exploit in case I feel like unlocking it in the future.
EDIT: Looks like the build is from May 29th 2013 which would seem like it can be unlocked since the update that broke the exploit was in July correct?

gjriehl said:
So I got my new RAZR M today and it's still running 98.16.3.
I'm having trouble finding which update fixes the exploit to lock the bootloader. Is that 98.18.78? It's not imperative that I unlock the bootloader but I don't want to update my phone if it's going to fix the exploit in case I feel like unlocking it in the future.
EDIT: Looks like the build is from May 29th 2013 which would seem like it can be unlocked since the update that broke the exploit was in July correct?
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No you can not unlock the boot loader on that device.. You can root it tho with motochopper 1.3...if you update it you won't be able to root it yet...
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ezknives said:
No you can not unlock the boot loader on that device.. You can root it tho with motochopper 1.3...if you update it you won't be able to root it yet...
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Darn. Not a huge issue to me now but who knows down the line. I was more worried about getting stuck on Jelly Bean which is why I rooted/unlocked early but now that I know we're getting Kit Kat I don't care as much. Rooting is really the issue for me but the current OTA can still be rooted correct?

gjriehl said:
Darn. Not a huge issue to me now but who knows down the line. I was more worried about getting stuck on Jelly Bean which is why I rooted/unlocked early but now that I know we're getting Kit Kat I don't care as much. Rooting is really the issue for me but the current OTA can still be rooted correct?
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The neweset OTA can't be rooted.

gjriehl said:
Darn. Not a huge issue to me now but who knows down the line. I was more worried about getting stuck on Jelly Bean which is why I rooted/unlocked early but now that I know we're getting Kit Kat I don't care as much. Rooting is really the issue for me but the current OTA can still be rooted correct?
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The version your on now can be with motochopper 1.3 ... If you update it no you cannot...
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ezknives said:
The version your on now can be with motochopper 1.3 ... If you update it no you cannot...
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Okay so I rooted my phone but now it's saying that SU Binary is not installed. Everywhere I go everyone's just like oh install this .zip from recovery which obviously isn't possible for me. How can I install the SU binary?