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As we probably all know by now the Xperia S and Xperia Ion will be released with Qualcomm MSM8260 SoC's, while all other early 2012 Xperia devices will be released with the ST-Ericsson U8500 SoC.
I was wondering how they compare. The MSM8260 is basically two 8255's with a slightly newer GPU.
What I've heard is that they perform around the same, but that the ST-Ericsson has a much better GPU and (because of the clocks) a slightly less CPU.
Anyone has any more information on this?
Why do I want to know this? I was planning on getting the Xperia S, but I've always thought 4.3" is a bit big, so I'd prefer something slightly smaller to replace my Neo. If Sony will be going 100% ST-Ericsson in the future I'd rather make the switch as soon as possible...
there is no more sony ercisson. Its just sony.
soldiers33 said:
there is no more sony ercisson. Its just sony.
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I know... I didn't mention Sony Ericsson either.
Me too, I want the Tapioca, but it sucks that it doesn't have a 720p screen.
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NovaThor > Snapdragon.
The U8500 is basically a slightly-slower version of the Exynos SoC that's in the likes of the i9100 Galaxy S2.
At 1.2GHz Exynos stomps all over the MSM8X60 at 1.5GHz, to the point where there's a lot of unhappy people who own the Galaxy S2 variants that use the Snapdragon chip and have some pretty unpleasant names for them - the S***rocket for example...
So at 1GHz, it's probably fairly even but I'd still say the edge lies with the NovaThor chip, which is sad given Sony seem hopelessly beholden to Qualcomm for the Xperia S (the Ion is a different story, the Qualcomm chips play much nicer with LTE modems, which is why even Samsung are forced to use them).
What I had personally hoped for was that Sony would use the NovaThor A9600 for their latest flagship handset(s) but that proved to be futile on my part.
Hm. That introduces another dilemma then, bleh!
I was planning on getting the Xperia S as soon as it's released, but I'm not a big fan of the Snapdragons either, and if the NovaThors really are better or comparable then perhaps another device might be better for me... It's a shame though none of the other rumoured phones has a really high res display...
I really hope confirmed details leak out before MWC
Ambroos said:
Hm. That introduces another dilemma then, bleh!
I was planning on getting the Xperia S as soon as it's released, but I'm not a big fan of the Snapdragons either, and if the NovaThors really are better or comparable then perhaps another device might be better for me... It's a shame though none of the other rumoured phones has a really high res display...
I really hope confirmed details leak out before MWC
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Wait for the Mint in September, it costs €500< but it must be a jewel of a phone.
sdk16420 said:
Wait for the Mint in September, it costs €500< but it must be a jewel of a phone.
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Yeah, but September is a loooooooooooooong wait...
Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
I watched some video reviews as well and found out that these devices are pretty much equal in everyday performance. (opening apps and websites with maybe 1 second difference at most) The Nexus 4 stuck out a bit because unlike the S4 and S3 almost had no stuttering or dropped frames in the UI while even the S4 had a few.
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
Also I heard about the Snapdragon 800 and Nvidia Tegra 4 (maybe even the Exynos Dualcore of the Nexus 10 which is supposed to be released as Quadcore soon?) which are basically the next big thing when it comes to processors. I thought the S4 would make a HUGE jump (and the octacore version actually does) but it didn't. Now I wonder whether i should wait for the next generation of processors/smartphones. (I don't want to wait longer than Q4 2013)
I would appreciate your help a lot!
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Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
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So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
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Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
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Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
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Thank you for the informative post
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
schnip said:
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
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actually i dont disregard it. for me the screen is one of the few improvements that really have a noticeable effect on everyday performance. unfortunately it comes at a great cost when comparing 300€(S3) to 600€(S4). I think the S3 is far more worth than only 1/2 of an S4
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Ok thanks for the advice!
Edit: " get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos)"
As far as my research goes:
The exynos is the quadcore version whereas the snapdragon version of the S3 is dual core.
The quadcore version usually does not have 2GB ram but i found some spec sheets that had Quadcore + 2GB RAM (LTE version)
Id say better have quadcore instead of dualcore and 2GB ram right?
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Unfortunately i cant get the 2GB version with dualcore in Germany.
I can order
Exynos Quad 2GB RAM LTE and
Exynos Quad 1GB RAM no-LTE
I dont really need LTE but is the 1 GB of extra RAM worth the 50€? (apprx 65$)
schnip said:
basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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schnip said:
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
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Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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schnip said:
thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
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You asked to be corrected on your statements in the OP and that's what I did. Either you misued the comparison symbols or you thought both the S3 and N4 do benchmarks better than the S4.
I did what you asked people to do and an insult is what I get in return?
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http://tabtec.com/android/snapdragon-805-vs-snapdragon-801-new-results-surface/
Your phone is not outdated with the cat 6 check it out.
android_4life said:
http://tabtec.com/android/snapdragon-805-vs-snapdragon-801-new-results-surface/
Your phone is not outdated with the cat 6 check it out.
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Interesting
Yes but when more quad he content like games starts becoming available the adreno 420 will show much improvement.
Yes but the only thing I care about is battery life. I think it will be better on the 805.
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The cat 6 has one thing the original doesn't which is better future prove thanks to it being able to run 64 apps.
Wow! Did I drink too much tonight, because I am having a hard time reading and understanding some of these posts?
It's not only 801 vs 805, you have to include the GPU as well to see the difference regarding a smartphone.
And the Adreno 420 is a whole other story than the 330...
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It's not only 801 vs 805, you have to include the GPU as well to see the difference regarding a smartphone.
And the Adreno 420 is a whole other story than the 330...
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The GPU is built in. It's not like a 801 can come paired with the adreno 420.
One thing not factored in though is thermal throttling with our phones. The 805 may have more problems with that in the G3 but not in non LG phones so the difference could be a lot larger in whatever phones that may have it.
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The GPU is built in. It's not like a 801 can come paired with the adreno 420.
One thing not factored in though is thermal throttling with our phones. The 805 may have more problems with that in the G3 but not in non LG phones so the difference could be a lot larger in whatever phones that may have it.
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Dude I am aware of this.... ?
frankgreimes said:
The cat 6 has one thing the original doesn't which is better future prove thanks to it being able to run 64 apps.
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Well...lucky for us there will be millions of smartphones unable to run 64 apps
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Fir3blade said:
Dude I am aware of this.... ?
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Which is why it IS just a 801 vs 805 thing and your first statement doesn't make sense...
anyone here have the f460 rooted?
flaring afro said:
Which is why it IS just a 801 vs 805 thing and your first statement doesn't make sense...
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Have a nice day...
Hey guys,
Check out this video comparing the speeds of both the devices and find out if that less 2gb RAM really matters that much. https://youtu.be/j3J2DNHIbR4
OnePlusX only has the SD801 and it's still mostly faster. The 5X would have really been future proofed for a while with another GB of RAM.
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Johnsmithson said:
Hey guys,
Check out this video comparing the speeds of both the devices and find out if that less 2gb RAM really matters that much.
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Is the opx tweaked in any way?
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Is the opx tweaked in any way?
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No, it's running stock OxygenOS 3.1.3 without any tweaks.
Definitely seems like the 5X was doing better until a few apps were in memory, and the redraws began. One extra GB of RAM would have been huge for the 5X...
I would have considered buying the OPX, even with the older SoC, but the lack of band support for US carriers was a dealbreaker.
I had OPX and I've changed it to Nexus 5x because OPX "wasn't" compatible with concrete pavement The thing i miss most is that 1 GB of RAM. Nougat is doing his best to open apps from memory as soon as it's possible but form time to time there are small hiccups and I have about 300 mb of free ram available (it's quite low IMO). Nevertheless, OPX was very delicate and I loooove low-light capabilities of camera in N5X.
I am curious to know which is faster? Our LG g2 or those Xiaomi redmi's phones based on processor power only? Any idea?
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https://www.quora.com/Which-is-better-a-SD-801-vs-a-650-652-or-a-625
and a quote from reddit that sums it all:
"In the real world, 625 may have better multi-tasking performance (8 cores vs 4 cores on the 801). 801 has better single core performance, but not by much.
625 is also much newer and has a different configuration, uses a better gpu (adreno 510 vs adreno 330) so has native 4k playback, among other refinements you'd expect from a SoC that's 2 years newer."
I love this question, I've always looked at the SD 625 because it has more or less the same performance(sd625 has better advantage in multitasking ofcourse due to the more cores). The gpu is not that much better its more or less the same but it does support Vulkan API by the way if you're interested in that.
Not much games that uses Vulkan currently , the only one I know that uses it is VainGlory.
Offtopic: are you referring to the Xiaomi Mi A1?
funtikar said:
Offtopic: are you referring to the Xiaomi Mi A1?
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Yes, I am. Very tempted to buy it , but I will wait for the reviews first.
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albsat said:
Yes, I am. Very tempted to buy it , but I will wait for the reviews first.
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same here.. i've never felt so attracted to xiaomi phone lol.
The camera, pure android and slim design are what really hit me.
but the price is barely recommendable though, I could get a Mi5 or Mi6 by increasing my budget
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same here.. i've never felt so attracted to xiaomi phone lol.
The camera, pure android and slim design are what really hit me.
but the price is barely recommendable though, I could get a Mi5 or Mi6 by increasing my budget
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The price will get down with time and coupons. I just don't want to believe just the hype of pure Android OS. Let's wait the reviews, I would say.
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albsat said:
The price will get down with time and coupons.
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I agree
I just don't want to believe just the hype of pure Android OS. Let's wait the reviews, I would say.
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well if you're thinking of the negative like bloatware and stuff, the least we can expect is it makes it easy for the community ROM developer to make ROMS for it.
Did you know that the Mi A1 is featured on Google's Android One main page? I think that improve their credibility in getting pure Android on that phone