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Why Samsung should leave Galaxy Tab vanilla

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/br...gle-or-the-oems/17840?tag=mantle_skin;content

if they leave it vanilla they need to fix a lot of bugs
Ill use whatever works best and right now the touchwiz leak is the most stable for me

khanable said:
if they leave it vanilla they need to fix a lot of bugs
Ill use whatever works best and right now the touchwiz leak is the most stable for me
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Bugs created because Samsung put their hands on major Android Elements.
Everything that Samsung touches in the software department its taking the curse of not working or being buggy.
They are making superior hardware, really the BEST hardware around and yet they killing it by touching the software. Not only that but yet they never support it or issue updates.
Samsung (and many other OEMS) just need to let their stupid customization let GO.

I could not agree more. This is exactly why I have a nexus one and why will be getting the nexus 3/nexus prime/whatever it's called. I can't really complain about the galaxy tab since I got mine for free(google i/o) but.. still. I don't know why they think that they know better than google. it's just ridiculous.

nMIK-3 said:
Bugs created because Samsung put their hands on major Android Elements.
Everything that Samsung touches in the software department its taking the curse of not working or being buggy.
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So how long have you been trying out Touchwiz on the tablet? What sort of bugs have you seen with it?

doctor3d said:
So how long have you been trying out Touchwiz on the tablet? What sort of bugs have you seen with it?
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Exactly
Touchwiz is far less buggy than stock right now

khanable said:
Touchwiz is far less buggy than stock right now
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I agree. It's a little laggy here and there, but it's faster for me than stock or Bonsai for some reason. And to be honest, it looks way nicer. I love the skinning and different notification panel.

I just ordered mine off eBay from the US to replace my Xoom, which I found heavy and the screen sucked. I hope the TouchWiz update is released soon, I really like some of the elements they've added. As much as I enjoy stock, I really do like that Samsung adds things like expanded format support to get hardware acceleration without my having to re-encode.

smaskell said:
I don't know why they think that they know better than google. it's just ridiculous.
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Yeah, thats exactly the same with some developer of some roms. . .they also act as they know more than both google and samsung. . .LOL
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Maintain certain basic standard
I've had my share of nightmare with Samsung's T Mobile Vibrant with it's broken GPS and slow to lack of updates and bug fixes. As much as Touchwiz may work well on the 10.1 for now,the solution to the bugs found in Honeycomb rest squarely on the shoulders of Google. Google owns the platform and no OEM should be allowed to change the core underlying code for any reason.
While the platform should remain open, the core OS functions should be locked from OEM.
Take a page from Apple's playbook in this regard Google.
As the happy owner of the G1,My touch 3G, Nexus 1, T Mobile Vibrant, Nexus S, 7 inch Galaxy Tab and now the 10.1 Galaxy Tab, the most update and bug fixes were pushed to the vanilla devices (Nexus 1 and Nexus S)
While Samsung makes great hardware, their bad repution for pushing out updates and bordeline performance with their overlay are all the more reason why they should leave the 10.1 vanilla or at the very least make the Touchwiz update optional.

Vanilla android is lacking in so many departments. The manufacturer customizations add useful features that make the devices more enjoyable (except for blur). The touchwiz ux for the tab is amazing. It looks much more polished, and it has much more useful features than stock honeycomb. Same with phones, all though i personally do not like touchwiz for phones, there are many that do. I prefer sense for phones, it has the best UI and a ton of useful features that make HTC phones a joy to use, especially with the latest sense 3.0 devices.
If it werent for the custom UI's, there would be no differentiation among competition. All the handsets/tablets would be running the same exact thing with pretty much the same specs, which was what was happening with all the honeycomb tablets.
And to be honest, touchwiz is running much more smoother and much less buggy than the vanilla 3.1 did.

Although I see where you're coming from, I disagree. While its true that leaving the OS open to manufacturer modification can have it's problems, closing the system would defeat the purpose of utilizing a linux based operating system in the first place...kinda goes against the philosophy of open source. Might as well just pull an apple and lock down the entire thing (it works for them...in a manner of speaking)
One could argue that google is at fault for witholding the SC, but at the same time, that's to prevent the fragmentation issues seen in gingerbread. Googles doing the best they can with what they have. If the Samsung wants to fart around with code that they "shouldnt", and make the experience of their device worse, it will show in their sales. If pure vanilla HC is truly the best course of action (a decision based off OVERALL customer opinion), it will be the course of they will eventually take (at least that's the idea anyway...I'm definitely not saying manufacturers tend to make stupid decisions).
Just goes to show there's problems on both sides of the spectrum. sometimes, you just cant have your cake and and eat it too.

I can agree that TW is working a lot better then stock HC. And it's more appealing to the eye.

First screenshots of ICS and TouchWiz 5.0?

Saw this on the Samsung Mobile USA Facebook page. The screenshots don't resemble the current version of TouchWiz, is this our first look at ICS on the GS2? If so, I'm not impressed...
The footer does say screen images simulated, so I'm not sure.
Whats your opinion on this?
Source: Can't post until I have 8 posts...
PS: Please don't flame me if this is already known or just plain noob, I am new here. Just sharing what I found, as it may have some relevance.

ICS are blue themed, this is green!

Agreed - could be true that it is touchwiz 5 though to stop anymore lawsuits but def. not ICS.

all thing that we saw from ICS 4 was pics from galaxy nexus.May be the ICS for SGS 2 can be with some changes..

Both screenshots on the GS2 are rather different, so I'm not sure what it is...

Looks more like a custom launcher to me. Not very Samsung-ish or Google-ish

there are 2 different SGSII models, one with 4.2 inch and the other with 4.5 inch display.
each is designed for a different operator in us so the operator might asked for a different customization of the os.
the weather widgets are the same...
Is TW4

MistaBishi said:
Both screenshots on the GS2 are rather different, so I'm not sure what it is...
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Looks like a PR screwup in the graphics department. This happens all the time.

It's possible I guess.. either way the shots are interesting. This was on samsung USA mobile?

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones

Wow, thats ugly.

matokt said:
Wow, thats ugly.
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I couldn't agree more. I want as close to stock ICS as possible (since I think ICS is pretty close to touchwiz 4.0). I really hope Samsung add the wifi/bluetooth/gps etc to the notification bar again, I love that feature.

Scared27 said:
I couldn't agree more. I want as close to stock ICS as possible (since I think ICS is pretty close to touchwiz 4.0). I really hope Samsung add the wifi/bluetooth/gps etc to the notification bar again, I love that feature.
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I don't think that the look of the upcoming ICS Rom will have a lot of similarities with the Google ICS look.
They'll stay on TouchWiz and it will look like TouchWiz.
Samsung created TouchWiz to give the Phone a specific look and feel and to be different/better to their competitors. They'll not jump into another direction now.
A BMW is still looking like a BMW, a Mercedes like a Mercedes. Even if you remove the Logos.
Actually ICS is to much hyped. Everyone is expecting to much.
That's ICS:
http://imgur.com/a/Ifpjp#0

codeworkx said:
Actually ICS is to much hyped. Everyone is expecting to much.
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I agree. We're starting to sound like Apple Fanboys
I posted my thoughts here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371870

Sorry, it was on the Samsung Mobile Facebook page, not the website. Silly error on my part.
It's feeling more and more like its just a mockup, not anything that Sammy will release. But we'll see.

Lmao definetely not TW5 or Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Freakin' hideous!

hell no that looks ugly

The statusbar is kinda remiscent of HTC's sense. The icons are just ugly. Take away message of these ads is, one can customize an Android phone (skin) to the point of it being unrecognizable (as well as unusable?).
Touchwiz is just a luncher, icons and a blue bar. The blue bar I now like, the launcher and icons are easily changable even without rooting.

Obviously a marketing guy pulled random screenshots off the internet. The second shot is showing an HTC Sense wallpaper, so stop worrying that this is Samsung's rendition of ICS. Look at the Galaxy Tabs with Honeycomb if you want to get an idea what TouchWiz on ICS will look like.

pure ICS on galaxy s3?

mod edit: i don't like the touch wiz UI

Lol at least give it a chance before making such a claim. Use it when it comes out then we can say if it is shyte... There are other launchers like apex and etc..

ok good point, i like the concepts though like if you are messaging then put to your ear and it calls, but im talking about the pure visual aspect of it, the icons look like they come from a 2001 nokia colour phone

Icons are always customisable though with root access. I always wonder why people complain about a UI or skin when it can always be changed or removed.
Ive never used any of the previous versions of touchwiz for more than a few minutes at a time on friends' phones but have always preferred it over the other mfr UIs ive tried. Its actually one of the things im looking forward to with this.
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pure aosp will take atleast a month or 2, team hacksung have not yet received enough donations for getting the mobile yet.
and guys the term "touchwiz" not only mentions the launcher but mentions the whole load of softwares customized by samsung like, fm radio, music player,camera app etc etc.

bala_gamer said:
and guys the term "touchwiz" not only mentions the launcher but mentions the whole load of softwares customized by samsung like, fm radio, music player,camera app etc etc.
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Indeed.
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Wow wait.. so you've already used the new Touch Wiz? You must have to make a claim like that..
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why would I use it? its all over the web the videos

mox123 said:
why would I use it? its all over the web the videos
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Not the entire UI.. little clips here and there but the fact is NONE of us have it and NONE of us have actually used the new Touchwiz UI. Its not just an icon pack
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i don't want AOSP on it. It's damn boring. NO more vanilla for me. And the Nexus program is an epic fail, NOT the first to get updates.

I always use Go Launcher but will run with TW on the S3 to see how I like

What's wrong with TouchWiz, I would rank it second after TimeScape of Sony (dont like HTC Sense)
And I would give TouchWiz 4.0 the crown

vanilla rocks!
i got a warning for swearing, sorry for swearing

Pure ICS is definitely coming to the S3. Some developers have already said it.

Deliximus said:
i don't want AOSP on it. It's damn boring. NO more vanilla for me. And the Nexus program is an epic fail, NOT the first to get updates.
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Uh, yes, the Nexus lines ARE the first to get updates... Well, the GSM variants anyway. Don't whine about having a Nexus and not getting updates fast when you're on a stupid CDMA network with their closed source radio driver crap.

Look aosp is cool, but i am that type of human that i will hardly live with only one type of ui for more than two months, first there are themes and than its big jump (like tw->cm9 or cm9->MIUI....)....so i expect i will try to stick with stock as long as possible and than go out and try some modifications
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Im going to change just one thing , I square icons at the bottom to stock ics, and that's it. Love the drop down toggles. And some of the touchwize apps I'll just not use.
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nbell13 said:
Uh, yes, the Nexus lines ARE the first to get updates... Well, the GSM variants anyway. Don't whine about having a Nexus and not getting updates fast when you're on a stupid CDMA network with their closed source radio driver crap.
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I couldn't agree more to this!!!
No more carrier delays for me... and I really look forward to PURE AOSP! The closest I ever got to that was with CM 7 resp. CM 9 on my S2 and Nook tablets... and I liked it a lot!
Certainly better than st*pid HTC Sense..!
Can't wait for next week to arrive!!!!!!

why would you use a feature`less software like stock ics? i had galaxy nexus and it was boring ... tw may have bloat but it has nice features ... if you want stock buy google phone if you want sense buy htc ... simple...
plus if you look in the app drawer is ics stock like

It's a matter of preference. look at the stock ICS E-mail, Contacts and messaging apps. a combination of a Beautiful, modern design with the maximum possible functionality. It just looks, feels and works so well, exactly how a modern UI should. Google really hit the ball out of the park with holo.
Now look at the TW ones - they're basically the same FroYo ones used in the previous galaxies - they don't have that stremlined, modern look of stock ICS. They look dated and ancient and do not feel like ICS at all. The messaging app especially. Black background with grey borders and ugly buttons - and yellow and cyan chat bubbles.. seriously samsung?
having said that, TW does have a very, very good launcher - very smooth and very flexible - i have no issues with that. The TW UX launcher is even better in that regard. it's the core apps that piss me off because they look ugly and dated.

[Q] Kit Kat 4.4 UI Overhaul?

Quick Question
Do you think Samsung would provide a major UI overhaul over 4.4 KitKat update due January?
Maybe reduce on the comic styled blocks and chop it down to more mnmlstic style designs and reduce strain on RAM and other features to improve batt life and reduce heat generated on gaming and other functions.
I really want to downgrade from MJ4 to MJ1 but unfortunately, I don't think it will ever be possible. Thus I am looking for bigger and better thing's in the future to ease my pain of these destructive OTA updates.

No.
Bigger and better things: Cm just released sources.
Goodbye tw

Samsung is and will try to not make any major changes to the UI so users become accustomed to and and aren't thrown off by updates and get used to Samsung products. Its ment for the "average" user and generally no anyone on these fourms.
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Hopefully they at least update the icons. I'm using Nova with the 4.4 icons enabled and it's so much sleeker.

for my opion TW isn't that bad except for the statusbar and Dropdown menu!! those could be a bit more sexy!!! like sony or something!

brildenlanch said:
Hopefully they at least update the icons. I'm using Nova with the 4.4 icons enabled and it's so much sleeker.
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You can change icons on tw with unicon on Google play

They won't ever make it look like aosp because they want thier own look. Plus with tizen os which looks just like tw
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hahaha true that. Most likely I will just go custom.
I am looking forward to what devs would do for the S Pen features which will be lost if flashing AOSP ROMs.
excited

1sagain said:
hahaha true that. Most likely I will just go custom.
I am looking forward to what devs would do for the S Pen features which will be lost if flashing AOSP ROMs.
excited
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Developer won't do anything for spen on aosp because it should still work like normal. You just need to look for similar apps on play store to replace whatever function you want.
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Disappointed with LG lollipop update

I'm really disappointed with 5.0 lollipop update for my LG, just looks the same as kitkat, hardly any material design.
I like what Samsung as done with their lollipop update tho, would nice to see LG do the same
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Kingfish907 said:
I'm really disappointed with 5.0 lollipop update for my LG, just looks the same as kitkat, hardly any material design.
I like what Samsung as done with their lollipop update tho, would nice to see LG do the same
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Yeah LG didn't adopt all the great design features of Lollipop making it a lackluster update appearance-wise. Hopefully the system is smoother with better animations and transitions. I prefer stock android look so will be making it look as close to this as possible once a stock rooted ROM pops up on the forums.

Kingfish907 said:
I'm really disappointed with 5.0 lollipop update for my LG, just looks the same as kitkat, hardly any material design.
I like what Samsung as done with their lollipop update tho, would nice to see LG do the same
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Then what? Go buy some Samsung if you like it more.
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Yeah LG didn't adopt all the great design features of Lollipop
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Examples? What GREAT design features G3 lacks?

Billy Madison said:
Then what? Go buy some Samsung if you like it more.Examples? What GREAT design features G3 lacks?
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We are having a friendly discussion here please don't try to start a war. LG G3 lollipop doesn't have expandable notifications, white app drawer, redesigned quick settings just to name a few.

Yeah I Couldn't completely agree with you as i have both LG G3 and LG G2, but the UI sucks of both kitkat and lolipop,the system is fairly smooth but the greyish color in system apps suck,so i had to theme them to look like 5.0 apps,and the G2 has got the G3 kitkat version,and i cant point out much difference in terms of UI Of both lolipop and kitkat in G3.

xlxcrossing said:
white app drawer, redesigned quick settings
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Hm, why do you think LG must implement all of stock android features? To them be undistinguishable from dozens of cheap Chinese smartphones that put stock Android because they lack money to develop own skin and launcher?
Have you heard about a new version of LG UX 4.0 to be released before LG G4 presentation?

I don't think they "have" to this is an opinion based thread. My opinion is that stock android or close to it is the way to go. The OP stated how the update did not fully realize the wealth of material design which in essence is true. Besides the transitions and such visually it looks the same. I have no idea how cheap Chinese smartphones made their way into this conversation. I guess you are calling my tastes cheap, dunno if you even understand what exactly it is you're trying to illustrate.

Hi,
Same as Kingfish907, I am also dissapointed how the LG customized, or rather "customized" it's android L version (mean UI). Simply saying, for me, LG's UI is ugly and seems almost like on my old galaxy ace.
I am disapointed also because just before I used miui v6 on my cheap china phone and you know what? Sometimes I really regret the change... Smoothnes, behaviour, configuration possibilities and look of this chinese system are even non comparable to LG's... But it's only an example. Also cm11 looks IMVVVHO better (and seems to be more flexible) than this LG .
So, it's probably depends on user experience and demands....
Regards
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I've got the LG with the latest V5 software and also got a Nexus 10 with standard 5.1 on it. There isn't a lot of difference as far as usability is concerned. Both work well and both have very good battery life (the Nexus 10 is better, but then it won't make phone calls).
Alan

Why do you want white background ??? Darker colours make battery last longer ... And to be honest I think overall look of lg is more unified ... I like it a lot ... But do hope to some changes that will make it more complete ...
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I came from Samsung and I hate thier touchwiz UI. If you ask me the LG UI is much better. Neither are as good as stock android though.
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I recently used se edge in a shop, and just opening and closing the apps was just so smooth, it worked like the same slide up animation but better, instead of like the whole slide up and down animation of lg, the apps kind of like minimised into thr icon if you know what i mean. Also they had the same dialer as stock lollipop and i hope lg brings those floatong icons in there system apps as those look really nice with nice looking animations.

I don't mind the look of LG's UI. It's just the damn lag. I parted with my Nexus 4 only because it was beginning to show its age and start lagging. I got a nasty shock when I discovered that the G3 was just as laggy if not laggier. I mean, I always heard Lollipop would be the savior and would finally get rid of Android's legendary lags. But it seems to have made no improvements on that front. I'm just sick and tired of waiting for that "next" version that would fix everything.

I just love people and the lag .... My g3 3gb version on android v20H has no lag at all ... I don't really understand what are you all talking about ... We are talking here in milli seconds not in minutes ...
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Mine lags at least 1-2 seconds 50% of the time in responding to loading text messaging, switching between Apps, etc. and its doing my head in. I had a Xperia Z2 which had similar specs but never lagged and I didng have root on that either. I have only had the G3 for about 5 days and already updated to Lollipop but that is not helping either. Any suggestions people?

zdravkodubravec said:
I just love people and the lag .... My g3 3gb version on android v20H has no lag at all ... I don't really understand what are you all talking about ... We are talking here in milli seconds not in minutes ...
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Pls take your sarcasm elsewhere.
Where I live, the 3GB edition isn't available. Also, I am not talking about animation lags (which is of course present as well). I am talking about not being able to multitask properly or browse multiple sites due to the system killing background apps/tabs too aggressively.

onetik said:
Pls take your sarcasm elsewhere.
Where I live, the 3GB edition isn't available. Also, I am not talking about animation lags (which is of course present as well). I am talking about not being able to multitask properly or browse multiple sites due to the system killing background apps/tabs too aggressively.
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It is just funny ... There is so much you can do with software .... And hardware then has a limitation ...in your case 1gb less ... I also have friends with 2gb model and they don't have any lag at all ...
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xlxcrossing said:
I have no idea how cheap Chinese smartphones made their way into this conversation. I guess you are calling my tastes cheap, dunno if you even understand what exactly it is you're trying to illustrate.
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About Chinese I mean that they use stock android, because of lack of developers in those firms. LG can develop it's own custom UI, with it's QSlide and such. If you prefer stock much more than we all here on xda,and have an option to flash any ROM we like, don't we? Choose one there http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development flash it and BOOM you don't see LG's lags

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About Chinese I mean that they use stock android, because of lack of developers in those firms. LG can develop it's own custom UI, with it's QSlide and such. If you prefer stock much more than we all here on xda,and have an option to flash any ROM we like, don't we? Choose one there http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development flash it and BOOM you don't see LG's lags
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The fact that you linked the whole development section shows ignorance on your part. I don't need confirmation from you to run what I want on my phone I didn't ask for help with that. So far you haven't contributed anything to the discussion, all you've done is argue with other people tastes. Are you sure you should be here?

Kingfish907 said:
I'm really disappointed with 5.0 lollipop update for my LG, just looks the same as kitkat, hardly any material design.
I like what Samsung as done with their lollipop update tho, would nice to see LG do the same
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of course it is CRAP .. been said 5.0 is FAIL .. that is why 5.0.1 released..
cannot be flashed with TWRP easily .. xposed not working... tweakbox not working.. nothing .. not even possibility to select 2G network only ! only 3G 4G .. crap