[Q] Towelroot or Odin? Which is better or worse? - Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I needed to unroot (originally Towelrooted) to get an update, now I'm wanting to root again. Is there any advantage to root with Odin instead of Towelroot? Has anybody found any security flaws or any other negative quality with Towelroot by now? Does Odin still trip Knox? Because Towelroot didn't trip mine. Is there anything that significantly makes Odin better to use? Thanks.

How many threads are you going to start that ask the same question? This has been answered for you already. You updated, towelroot will no longer work for you, you need to root with cf-auto root using Odin. Knox will be tripped. You can try towelroot if you want.
There is no reason to make multiple threads for the same thing.

tempest22 said:
I needed to unroot (originally Towelrooted) to get an update, now I'm wanting to root again. Is there any advantage to root with Odin instead of Towelroot? Has anybody found any security flaws or any other negative quality with Towelroot by now? Does Odin still trip Knox? Because Towelroot didn't trip mine. Is there anything that significantly makes Odin better to use? Thanks.
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Wow you really need to learn how to search/read all the answers you need are there. Or better yet just don't bother cause it sounds like your just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff

metalfan78 said:
How many threads are you going to start that ask the same question? This has been answered for you already. You updated, towelroot will no longer work for you, you need to root with cf-auto root using Odin. Knox will be tripped. You can try towelroot if you want.
There is no reason to make multiple threads for the same thing.
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But he can downgrade the kernel with Odin, towelroot then and re-upgrade the kernel afterwards.
As far as i know Odin still trips Knox, so i don't see a reason not to use towelroot if you upgrade the kernel afterwards.

tempest22 said:
I needed to unroot (originally Towelrooted) to get an update, now I'm wanting to root again. Is there any advantage to root with Odin instead of Towelroot? Has anybody found any security flaws or any other negative quality with Towelroot by now? Does Odin still trip Knox? Because Towelroot didn't trip mine. Is there anything that significantly makes Odin better to use? Thanks.
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Idi... um i mean users like you ought to be reprimanded severely when posting a question that many times cause you`re too lazy to search yourself.

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VRoot for Note 3

Hi. Universal Root de la Vega's threat was clsoed and Op recommended us to use VRoot instead.
I found this Chinese VRoot and it looks very easy to do. Please see link below (in Chinese language, but you can use Google to translate)
http://www.mgyun.com/vroot
I just want to confirm if anyone had tried this and if it is KNOX 0x0 Root?
Thanks.
It do work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2502967
Sent from my SM-N9005 using xda app-developers app
Does it work on the new MJ4 rom workout triggering knox?
klau1 said:
Does it work on the new MJ4 rom workout triggering knox?
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Just got my N3 yesterday, mine is MJ7... Will VRoot work with the latest OTA already installed? I've done quite a bit of searching on getting this thing rooted but xda "banned" KINGO cause everyone is freaking out about some Chinese server or exploit threat or whatever, supposedly La Vega won't work after MJ7 OTA... Even though I've been rooting a while, this all has me confused on what really works and what just made it to the forums first but might not work... Any help with legit root and recovery methods would be MUCH APPRECIATED!
az_biker said:
Just got my N3 yesterday, mine is MJ7... Will VRoot work with the latest OTA already installed? I've done quite a bit of searching on getting this thing rooted but xda "banned" KINGO cause everyone is freaking out about some Chinese server or exploit threat or whatever, supposedly La Vega won't work after MJ7 OTA... Even though I've been rooting a while, this all has me confused on what really works and what just made it to the forums first but might not work... Any help with legit root and recovery methods would be MUCH APPRECIATED!
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If you're worried about Chinese root method than you better stay away form vroot. Even the interface is in Chinese. Kingoapp, has addressed the concerns that some people had with their latest version, 1.1.2. You can check out their facebook page where they explain it all.
Understand that if you plan on using a custom recovery or ROM it will trip Knox and vroot and Kingoapp are probably not the way you want to go. You might look at CF Root instead.
mvansomeren said:
If you're worried about Chinese root method than you better stay away form vroot. Even the interface is in Chinese. Kingoapp, has addressed the concerns that some people had with their latest version, 1.1.2. You can check out their facebook page where they explain it all.
Understand that if you plan on using a custom recovery or ROM it will trip Knox and vroot and Kingoapp are probably not the way you want to go. You might look at CF Root instead.
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Where did CF Root say it's method won't trip KNOX? serious question.
RDLV is the only one isn't it?
klau1 said:
Where did CF Root say it's method won't trip KNOX? serious question.
RDLV is the only one isn't it?
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CF Root will trip knox. What I was saying is that if you want a custom recovery or rom, you might as well go with CF Root because it is going to trip knox anyway. vroot and Kingoapp doesn't trip knox because you don't get a custom recovery or rom as part of the root. They let you use apps that require root and do modification on the stock rom (if you know what you're doing).
Will De Vega Work?
so will the de la vega root method work for the latest VRUBMJ7 update? If not, what other root method will work that will not trip KNOX? Thanks in advanced
mvansomeren said:
CF Root will trip knox. What I was saying is that if you want a custom recovery or rom, you might as well go with CF Root because it is going to trip knox anyway. vroot and Kingoapp doesn't trip knox because you don't get a custom recovery or rom as part of the root. They let you use apps that require root and do modification on the stock rom (if you know what you're doing).
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So even with the canadian version unlocked bootloader you cannot install TWRP without tripping knox? Guess i can just use TBU to backup everything instead.
If you do root with one of these methods be careful. They are a security risk. I'd use mobile Odin to reflash my stock firmware after rooting and maybe even factory reset, just to be sure that I'd nuked any naughty apps. Mobile Odin will allow you to retain root.
Sent from my beastly Note 3
vichet007 said:
Hi. Universal Root de la Vega's threat was clsoed and Op recommended us to use VRoot instead.
I found this Chinese VRoot and it looks very easy to do. Please see link below (in Chinese language, but you can use Google to translate)
http://www.mgyun.com/vroot
I just want to confirm if anyone had tried this and if it is KNOX 0x0 Root?
Thanks.
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English
http://www.mgyun.com/en/GetVRoot
It still was NOT easy to use, but I can confirm positively that it can work and in my case did not trip knox. I had to reboot the phone manually at one point because it appeared stuck and I tried a 2nd time. The 2nd time the windows app rebooted the phone and it did get rooted.
UPDATE:
Thanks to cubarican84, I used the following SIMPLE solution to clean up the chinese superuser mess: http://www.w0lfdroid.com/2013/11/How-to-Remove-Replace-VRoot-Chinese-superuser-with-SuperSU.html?m=1

[Q] Galaxy s4 official kitkat 4.4.2 knox-friendly root method

Hi,
I would like to know if there is any known way at the moment to get a rooted kitkat 4.4.2 firmware without tripping knox. I'm momentarily running MKE 4.3, German csc I think. I'm aware of saferoot for this firmware, but I would like to know if there's something like it for official kitkat, or if it is possible to root my 4.3 and then upgrade via mobile odin and inject root via everroot everroot without tripping knox. If not I'll just update via OTA and root via another method but if it's possible I'd like to keep knox for now
wootyv said:
Hi,
I would like to know if there is any known way at the moment to get a rooted kitkat 4.4.2 firmware without tripping knox. I'm momentarily running MKE 4.3, German csc I think. I'm aware of saferoot for this firmware, but I would like to know if there's something like it for official kitkat, or if it is possible to root my 4.3 and then upgrade via mobile odin and inject root via everroot everroot without tripping knox. If not I'll just update via OTA and root via another method but if it's possible I'd like to keep knox for now
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No, uptil now there is no such method developed. Check on Kingo root website whether they ve updated to root 4.4.2 firmware.
Mandark52 said:
No, uptil now there is no such method developed. Check on Kingo root website whether they ve updated to root 4.4.2 firmware.
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Oké, Thanks anyway
I don't really trust kingoroot as I thought that it had spyware installed, just as vroot, but then I heard about saferoot and I I was hoping I could keep root via mobile odin, but too bad. I'll just just root via cf-root then
wootyv said:
Oké, Thanks anyway
I don't really trust kingoroot as I thought that it had spyware installed, just as vroot, but then I heard about saferoot and I I was hoping I could keep root via mobile odin, but too bad. I'll just just root via cf-root then
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Not any spywarez but many of them reported that they lost their IMEI number.If you are on kitkat ,wait for stability updates n then root. Hit thnx if helpd.
Towelroot. by geohot
Does not trip the knox counter..but don't expect to use custom recoveries. It is a simple root only.
!SINGH! said:
Towelroot. by geohot
Does not trip the knox counter..but don't expect to use custom recoveries. It is a simple root only.
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Thanks! I read about it in the featured articles but I wasn't sure it would work or not. I was just planning to use the root to clean the ROM up a bit to free up some system memory and RAM and make some apps system apps, better backups and fiddle a bit with my storage, and maybe using some modules, do you know if using Xposed trips knox?
wootyv said:
Thanks! I read about it in the featured articles but I wasn't sure it would work or not. I was just planning to use the root to clean the ROM up a bit to free up some system memory and RAM and make some apps system apps, better backups and fiddle a bit with my storage, and maybe using some modules, do you know if using Xposed trips knox?
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Xposed doesn't... but I would be weary of modules that perform bootloader or deep system changes
Titanium Backup.. and use backup app and then remove/disable etc
Just be careful... if the knox counter is v important to you.
!SINGH! said:
Xposed doesn't... but I would be weary of modules that perform bootloader or deep system changes
Titanium Backup.. and use backup app and then remove/disable etc
Just be careful... if the knox counter is v important to you.
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It's not that important to me, I just don't want to trip it if I don't have to, if I need to trip it for something I really want to do I don't have a problem with it , it's not like use knox thanks you very much
wootyv said:
It's not that important to me, I just don't want to trip it if I don't have to, if I need to trip it for something I really want to do I don't have a problem with it , it's not like use knox thanks you very much
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Actually KNOX is very important for warranty issues. If you dont have warranty then I wouldnt worry about it. If you DO have warranty then do not mess with KNOX-tripping root methods.

[Q] Does Towelroot not work anymore? Why is my S5 not supported?

Galaxy S5, SM-G900F (I'm in Europe), Kernel is Jul 3 2014,
I used to have Towelroot. I unrooted, updated to my most current Android version (4.4.2), and since then Towelroot won't work to reroot (it says I'm not supported). Is this so for all others? Is there a way to properly have Towelroot root my device, or is Odin my only option now?
Thanks.
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tempest22 said:
Galaxy S5, SM-G900F (I'm in Europe), Kernel is Jul 3 2014,
I used to have Towelroot. I unrooted, updated to my most current Android version (4.4.2), and since then Towelroot won't work to reroot (it says I'm not supported). Is this so for all others? Is there a way to properly have Towelroot root my device, or is Odin my only option now?
Thanks.
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Use the search engine and you will find answers to those questions
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fffft said:
Asked and answered many times. Read a few posts in the forum, do a search or look in my post history for all of the details.
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sigh...look, I only wish to know whether Towelroot is dead and/or what I can do to make it work on my S5. I can't look through thousands of ultra specific threads. I'm not a phone guy. Someone just give me a straight answer and I'm happy. Please. You guys are the experts, I'm not.
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Christ the writing in this thread, just answer him for crying out loud. @tempest22 you've answered your own question, you updated. Towel root doesn't work on the newest firmware, downgrade using Odin to an earlier build then use towel root, use neatroms method to install a recovery and flash a ROM , you'll need to use mobile Odin to flash the modem and bootloader, or you may even be able to do it via recovery if you're on a high enough ROM version, there are other ways to root and install a custom rom. If its just root access you need then downgrade then use towel root..always use a method which retains your Knox 0x0 status.
dladz said:
Christ the writing in this thread, just answer him for crying out loud. @tempest22 you've answered your own question, you updated. Towel root doesn't work on the newest firmware, downgrade using Odin to an earlier build then use towel root, use neatroms method to install a recovery and flash a ROM , you'll need to use mobile Odin to flash the modem and bootloader, or you may even be able to do it via recovery if you're on a high enough ROM version, there are other ways to root and install a custom rom. If its just root access you need then downgrade then use towel root..always use a method which retains your Knox 0x0 status.
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Thank you so much man, seriously. I really just need root access, so if Towelroot doesn't work anymore I guess I'll just use Odin knowing it will trip Knox. Apart from voiding the warranty it doesn't do anything else right? Any reason to keep Knox? I'd rather keep the most recent firmware, so no downgrade for me.
I don't think flashing a ROM via odin makes you lose your warranty, flashing a custom recovery would, bootloader, modem. But not the entire official TAR file. So you won't have anything to worry about. If it were me id do everything I can to retain my warranty, chances are Knox will never be fixed, so if you trip it then it'll stay that way. There is a guide once you're rooted in neat ROMs thread, its straight forward, just download everything you need, get Odin ready and follow the guide. Should be a walk in the park.
Good luck m8
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tempest22 said:
Thank you so much man, seriously. I really just need root access, so if Towelroot doesn't work anymore I guess I'll just use Odin knowing it will trip Knox. Apart from voiding the warranty it doesn't do anything else right? Any reason to keep Knox? I'd rather keep the most recent firmware, so no downgrade for me.
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Not disregarding other replies " But", if your not concerned about warranty, and your work doesn't require your phone to have Knox security enabled, Root and flash to your hearts content. Again.... If warranty, is Not a concern, go for it, because trying to maintain Knox 0x0, makes things more complicated than they need to be, nor do you get to try all options at your disposal , and really if you weren't a little bit of a risk taker you would not even know what XDA does.(Odin away, lol) Again just my opinion and if it offends, disregard.
SM-G900W8 / 0x1

Root S5 Without Tripping Knox ??

Hi guys
As some of you know I've just bought a S5 and want to root it.
I touched on this in my last thread but thought it was way off topic and that i should start a new thread.
There's plenty of threads about this but they are either old or speak of particular models of s5 or include installing a custom firmware.
What i would like to know (i got there in the end....lol) is there a way to do a root only (without installing custom firmware or recovery) with out tripping knox?
I think I've looked everywhere but cant find any guides.
I'm in the uk and my s5 is the SM-G900F on android 4.4.2.
Also is it worth even trying to root it when 5.0 is just around the corner?
Anyone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783157
Just install this app, and hit the button! Worked very well for me.
GcDm2010 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783157
Just install this app, and hit the button! Worked very well for me.
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I didn't think towelroot worked with the latest build of 4.4.2 ?
And doesn't odin now trip knox?
Inked_ said:
I didn't think towelroot worked with the latest build of 4.4.2 ? And doesn't odin now trip knox?
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Odin has always tripped knox.
Towelroot should work with 4.4.2. is worth a try, the worst thing that could happen is it kills the app and tells you that you've been compromised.
GcDm2010 said:
Odin has always tripped knox.
Towelroot should work with 4.4.2. is worth a try, the worst thing that could happen is it kills the app and tells you that you've been compromised.
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Thanks for the replies (I thought more people would be replying to this topic....lol)
I read that it was ok to use odin without tripping knox if you flashed an official Samsung firmware.
Ill look into towelroot again
So if it kills the app and says I've been compromised, what do I do then?
It will just try to kill the app. But if that happens, I don't know of any way to get around knox.
And this forum is where experienced people like me just come to raise my post count so I can post where the real action happens.
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It will just try to kill the app. But if that happens, I don't know of any way to get around knox.
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Ok thanks.
So it wont actually trip knox and I can just reboot the phone to get rid of the message?
GcDm2010 said:
And this forum is where experienced people like me just come to raise my post count so I can post where the real action happens.
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So where does the real action happen on here ?
Because I've made a few threads on here now but I don't seem to get many replies in any of them
Yeah, just hold the power button to reboot.
The real action here happens in the Unified Development section. Lots of activity going on right now.
My phone has just took the 5.0 update so I guess I've got no chance of rooting it without tripping knox now

How do I root from unrooted, stock lollipop 5.0?

I have seen many threads with info about how to upgrade to lollipop and keep root but I have not seen any that tell how to take a phone that has never been rooted and is at lollipop 5.0 and root it.
Please point me in the right direction.
I second this question.
KainRacure said:
I have seen many threads with info about how to upgrade to lollipop and keep root but I have not seen any that tell how to take a phone that has never been rooted and is at lollipop 5.0 and root it.
Please point me in the right direction.
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I believe you will have to Odin back to NCG, root your phone, install safestrap and follow the instructions in this thread. See the "notes #5" in the bottom of the original posting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...l/how-to-update-to-g900vvru1boa8-5-0-t3020546
Tulsadiver said:
I believe you will have to Odin back to NCG, root your phone, install safestrap and follow the instructions in this thread. See the "notes #5" in the bottom of the original posting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...l/how-to-update-to-g900vvru1boa8-5-0-t3020546
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Through a combination of googling and reading here I finally figured it out. I might make a tutorial on how I did it here for those who were confused like I was. Though you are correct sir. I think the issue was that I kept stopping reading when all of the tutorials here kept saying "YOU MUST HAVE ROOT!" or saying "YOU MUST HAVE ____ VERSION!" I think a tutorial that is written with unrooted OA8 users in mind (and possibly with explanations of the terms like ODIN, NCG and OA8) might help some people out.
But for now if anyone is reading this he is 100% right, that method will work.
Would I lose my app data through this method?
glicholas said:
Would I lose my app data through this method?
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Very likely. Without a custom recovery you have no way to backup your data unless your individual apps have there own way to back it up kind of like your contacts.
You could try titanium backup. There is a version for phones without root. Not sure what all it can backup.
did the method you followed trip knox?
I have full confidence in muniz_ri's instructions as well as any other contributor to the development of the root/exploit; and if they say it will not trip KNOX, I am inclined to believe them. But there is so much to do, so much flashing, I wanted to see if I could get a confirmation that flashing through the use of all of the files offered in the post that it does not trip KNOX, does it KainRacure?
simplepinoi177 said:
I have full confidence in muniz_ri's instructions as well as any other contributor to the development of the root/exploit; and if they say it will not trip KNOX, I am inclined to believe them. But there is so much to do, so much flashing, I wanted to see if I could get a confirmation that flashing through the use of all of the files offered in the post that it does not trip KNOX, does it KainRacure?
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I went directly from rooted 4.4.2 to rooted Lollipop without tripping Knox and this was using Muniz's method. I did not start with Lollipop. I am running the ROM called MOAR. Since I've had this phone, I've flashed the holy crud out of it, both with Odin and safestrap and have not tripped Knox. When using Odin, always have a charged up phone and use the original data cable that came with your phone.
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I went directly from rooted 4.4.2 to rooted Lollipop without tripping Knox and this was using Muniz's method. I did not start with Lollipop. I am running the ROM called MOAR. Since I've had this phone, I've flashed the holy crud out of it, both with Odin and safestrap and have not tripped Knox. When using Odin, always have a charged up phone and use the original data cable that came with your phone.
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Thanks for the response. It's a relief to know for when I do it as well...

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