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Rom Overload?

Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their mother are posting Roms in the Evo development subforum?
I'm not going to name names or anything, but there seem to be a few teams that work very hard at distinguishing themselves as great releases only to get overtaken by people launching derivatives that are not much more than wallpaper changes of the very same roms?
Many of us can tell the distinction between the two, but I worry about new folks coming in who have no idea. I'm not going to spread FUD, but installing roms from an untrustworthy source is a great way for real problems to be introduced into the security model of the Android platform.
Does anyone else see this as a concern? Are there any solutions we as a group can come up with? Is this really not a big deal?

Yes you are correct
OMG I changed the color of the call [email protected]!!!!! NEW ROM!!!!!
Instead of theme change.
Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
Now the kernels, I like, keep them going though. But the roms need to stop.

I think people are just making them in a sad attempt to gain free donations for their "efforts" or lack thereof.

kthejoker20 said:
Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.

SilverStone641 said:
so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb

I'm still a relative newb to Android, but I can see how it would be easy to get overloaded with all the ROMs out there. I've bounced back and forth between Fresh, CM6, and rooted stock for a while and I finally got sick of having to set up my phone over and over again (yes, I know about Titanium, but it's not good for certain types of things). Anyway, I finally said f*** it and flashed CM6 again and have left it there. None of them are perfect, but CM6 works the best for me.

kthejoker20 said:
Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
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Less twisting then what you think. It's not CM or stay stock. I personally ran CM nightlies and CM6, both times I left them because even with all the fine work he's done there are very large and blatant things I don't think are great about it.
Does that mean it's low end, no, but there are lots of Roms every bit as highend and polished as CM.
Now on the main OP, I agree that we are seeing a flood, but also that there is nothing to do about it in an open community which is pushing people to tweak and express and share. It is what it is, and if they aren't calling out the people who put in the actual time into said Rom and giving them all the praise for the actual work then shame on them.

One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.

nief1313 said:
One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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Neif, you crack me up whenever I see you pushing your grid. I've been dircting people to the wiki to check it out, but good luck trying to stay on top of all of the new releases. More power to you.
And to bring the thread back on topic - there do seem to be a lot of roms floating around that don't really seem to bring anything new to the table.

People are just posting what works for them. I am glad there are so many ROMs. If you think this is bad, I guess you never had a G1.

This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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dglowe343 said:
This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
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I do wish there was a subforum in the dev forum for roms. Perhaps a sticky's for the top 10 roms based on votes or downloads or some other type of ranking system.

fachadick said:
I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
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dsixda's kitchen has pretty much everything you need. I installed Ubuntu in Virtual Machine and have started messing around, but unless you know what to and not to change, there isnt alot you can do to make the rom unique. But its worth doing if you're interested in learning about rom development.
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I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.

N00dle said:
I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.

First I think we should be happy the evo has a strong community. We may even lose some with the galaxy s phones coming out.
Next a agree many aren't much of a difference, but for those that don't have time to tweak stuff in the kitchen before installing, it is nice to find exactly what you want.
Finally I'm sorry to sound like an elitist, but this is a hackers forum. There shouldn't be such an expectation of things always being safe and working.
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VSack said:
Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
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I do agree there are a lot out there and it can be tough for people to tell what is what. I don't think it's a bad thing though, device support is good, it means that hopefully things will be running for a long time to come.

WP7 on Evo

Since our beloved Evo and HD2 share similar hardware... Shouldnt we be able to fork out a working version of Windows Phone if the HD2 does get a working booting image?
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There would be a problem with radios since WP7 is just GSM at the moment.
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Yeah I could understand that. But I believe it wouldnt hurt to try throwing on our phone and see what happens.
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wow what an awesome idea! I can't think of anything I'd rather do than step away from a perfectly good open source development platform with thousands of apps at hand that already does more than I could ever ask for, lol
maybe it will look pretty.....

deathsled said:
wow what an awesome idea! I can't think of anything I'd rather do than step away from a perfectly good open source development platform with thousands of apps at hand that already does more than I could ever ask for, lol
maybe it will look pretty.....
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Lol you don't even want to try it? I do!

richardrk said:
Since our beloved Evo and HD2 share similar hardware... Shouldnt we be able to fork out a working version of Windows Phone if the HD2 does get a working booting image?
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I think most devs discarded the idea due to licensing issues...

deathsled said:
wow what an awesome idea! I can't think of anything I'd rather do than step away from a perfectly good open source development platform with thousands of apps at hand that already does more than I could ever ask for, lol
maybe it will look pretty.....
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Games/Xbox Live + much better media player + a more interesting/unique UI/UX? Why not have the option?
...and Android being open source is actually contributing to parts of its problems - bloat, gimping of features, buggy/crappy skins and modifications. Not sure that being open source is something to throw out as an absolute positive anymore.
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Award Tour said:
Games/Xbox Live + much better media player + a more interesting/unique UI/UX? Why not have the option?
...and Android being open source is actually contributing to parts of its problems - bloat, gimping of features, buggy/crappy skins and modifications. Not sure that being open source is something to throw out as an absolute positive anymore.
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That sounds like Communist talk. You red?
I wouldn't mind a WM7 skin. But I have my Xbox for Xbox Live...I don't really play the arcade type games, so I wouldn't have use of Xbox Live on my phone...unless you can put Reach, Tier 1, Crysis 2 or MW2 on a cell phone...with good jitter/ping/lag/etc.

Count me in for a wp7 port.

Ironically some proponents of openness only possess openness in their phones and not their minds. I'd like to see it happen just to see it happen.

Yah I would like to try out wp7 on the evo. I don't think the games would run as good as a real wp7 device.

That sounds like Communist talk. You red?
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HAHAHAHAHHA
quote of the fracking day right there boys and girls... quote of the fra-cking day!

Award Tour said:
Games/Xbox Live + much better media player + a more interesting/unique UI/UX? Why not have the option?
...and Android being open source is actually contributing to parts of its problems - bloat, gimping of features, buggy/crappy skins and modifications. Not sure that being open source is something to throw out as an absolute positive anymore.
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Omg...have you ever used wm? It is incredibly buggy and maxed out with bloatware. Open source allies for changes. Wm us locked doing so it takes slot if work to change it and fix the problems with it. Wm is single handley the buggiest os out. Thus the reason why a new build of wm comes out every day to three days

Whosdaman said:
Omg...have you ever used wm? It is incredibly buggy and maxed out with bloatware. Open source allies for changes. Wm us locked doing so it takes slot if work to change it and fix the problems with it. Wm is single handley the buggiest os out. Thus the reason why a new build of wm comes out every day to three days
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What does WM have to do with WP or Android? Android's open source nature is still being abused by both OEMs and carriers.

Award Tour said:
What does WM have to do with anything? Android's open source nature is still being abused by both OEMs and carriers.
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I was responding to that users post.

Whosdaman said:
Omg...have you ever used wm? It is incredibly buggy and maxed out with bloatware. Open source allies for changes. Wm us locked doing so it takes slot if work to change it and fix the problems with it. Wm is single handley the buggiest os out. Thus the reason why a new build of wm comes out every day to three days
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Yeah WM is definitely buggy but WP7 is supposed to be not buggy and much more fluid.
I just like it for its xbox live integration and gaming features.

I just want to have it just to say. "I have an HTC EVO with android 2.2 that can look like an Iphone, run Ubuntu, play nice with Windows 7, float like a butterfly and sting like a bee" lol

WP7 UI is hideous in my opinion.
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gqstatus0685 said:
WP7 UI is hideous in my opinion.
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Yeah you are right...the home page is kinda crappy looking...the other UI's look nice once you move away from the home page.
I just want the gaming part.....since Android is lacking in the gaming dept....

I just can't understand why everyone is going crazy and we don't even have a working unit or a full review. It's supposedly supposed to drop this fall but not even one unit?
I think it is rushed and they are trying to get in the game and secure a position. WM platform was dreadful for me hopefully this changes with WP7.
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[DEV WANTED] Simply AOSP

Hello guys,
As many of you know, I've become a traitor, and by that I mean I now have the Nexus S 4G.
Simply AOSP is the ROM I have devoted a lot of my time to on the forums here, it doesn't have the user base of ACS stamped ROM's but seems to have a lot of dedicated users.
With my leaving the Epic 4G behind me I will no longer be as focused on Simply AOSP as I had been. I will update it as I can but I'm looking for a developer or two to come on board and co-pilot the ROM with me for a while and eventually take it over entirely.
The goal of Simply AOSP was to basically clone CM6/CM7/AOSP as much as possible for Epic users who love AOSP. I'd like to find someone who also loves AOSP and wants to continue to bring the most AOSP experience as possible to the ROM's users.
If you haven't tried Simply AOSP I recommend you flash it and take a look, if it seems like something you'd want to be a part of please contact me via PM.
I'm open minded with "requirements" for potential developers but please include your experience just so I have an idea of what you're capable of. I will help make the transition as smooth as possible.
That said you all will see me in the Epic section of the forums less and less. Despite some of the interesting drama it's been a blast and I've enjoyed working with and talking to all of you!!!

I volunteer k0nane
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Whosdaman said:
I volunteer k0nane
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lol I like how you think.

Whosdaman said:
I volunteer k0nane
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LOL considering he's gone I don't see that happening.. He would probably do an awesome job though.

Hey, aosp is one of the easiest to work on. And you've done the hard part
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Whosdaman said:
Hey, aosp is one of the easiest to work on. And you've done the hard part
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Yeah it really just needs a maintainer to keep it up to date.. add in some enhancements of their own or of the communities as they are discovered. The update to Gingerbread will take some Themeing skills and possibly a few Simply Settings updates but otherwise.. yeah agreed very easy.

TheDub said:
Yeah it really just needs a maintainer to keep it up to date.. add in some enhancements of their own or of the communities as they are discovered. The update to Gingerbread will take some Themeing skills and possibly a few Simply Settings updates but otherwise.. yeah agreed very easy.
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Hell I would do it, but I'm still learning
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Maybe I should take the pludge by the way you guys are talking. I have been meaning to dual boot linux and set up a dev enviroment, but I haven't even taken the time to figure that out. Well if maybe your down to skype someday and get me up to speed I maybe down to try and keep the boat afloat. I do think based on the work he's done that koane should pick up the work, but I don't know what all the shat that went down was all about so who knows. Anyways let me know dub.
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bryanfritz1 said:
Maybe I should take the pludge by the way you guys are talking. I have been meaning to dual boot linux and set up a dev enviroment, but I haven't even taken the time to figure that out. Well if maybe your down to skype someday and get me up to speed I maybe down to try and keep the boat afloat. I do think based on the work he's done that koane should pick up the work, but I don't know what all the shat that went down was all about so who knows. Anyways let me know dub.
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Simply AOSP has been developed entirely with Windows (OK and some Mac OS X but mostly Windows, no Linux at all). The only time you would need Linux is if you were compiling real AOSP or a Kernel. However I didn't write the Kernel it's just Genocide. It's also just a AOSP clone so it's been a customization of the stock Touchwiz ROM which can be done with Windows.
The only real code I've written is Simply Settings which can also be developed in Windows (or Linux and Mac OS X for that matter) with Eclipse. It's not a very complicated program but it would need some Java knowledge, otherwise I would continue maintenance on that.
Biggest things that would be needed would be...
1.) Themeing skills (Simply AOSP comes with 3 themes built in)
--These are a must.. there is a lot of Themeing and it will be the most time consuming part of converting the rom to Gingerbread in the future.
2.) General knowledge about the filesystem layout and what does what. (Easier then it sounds)
3.) Java / Scripting knowledge if you plan to take control of Simply Settings.
4.) Time. It's mostly feature complete as of right now, but needs a maintainer who will be able to integrate future enhancements. When I say this I'm referring to enhancements you make or that the community makes.
Since it's an AOSP clone it's very easy feature wise because it doesn't need a lot of features.

HD2 Android development stall

I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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yes...so why not starting today...make a ROM urself ???

We are all waiting for .35 desire kernel source from HTC?

Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl,
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No, that is because there are less top devs on the device now, Some have moved on to different devices.
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we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such.
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Not at all, ist do to with view counts, posts created etc.
Peteryoung said:
Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues,
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What you "need" has nothing to do with it, devs dont work on the roms because they have to, They do it because they WANT to, They work on what they "need" or want to and then share the work.
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and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know,
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Correct.
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but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...
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Completely disagree, The work and progress done on the Sense 3 roms is amazing, Sorry you are too ignorant and ungrateful to appreciate that.
Peteryoung said:
I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works,
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Then go and download one of the older non-sense froyo/GB roms like NexusHD2.
Peteryoung said:
just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead.
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Well that's your problem, The fact that you are having to do this means that you are CHOOSING to install work in progress builds rather then more developed builds, Its your fault and your problem.
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The roms used to work 100%,
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Err no they didn't, They was developed into a state where they eventually worked and the same will happen to Sense roms.
Peteryoung said:
but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round.
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Then go download one?!?!
Peteryoung said:
And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing!
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sense Roms where never designed to run on HD2 and that is why they are been developed to do so! If you don't want to be patient or be part of the testing then that's your choice, go and download a simple stock rom!
Peteryoung said:
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Desire base has been ported already and doesn't need more work until the desire gets and update. If you like the desire base so much why don't you just stick to the roms already available? Ill tell you why because you enjoy trying new builds, again that's your decision but you cant then complain just because most of the devs are hard at work on what THEY want to work on rather then what YOU want them to work on!
I personally don't want them to work on anything else apart from the kingdom, why? because its down to personal preference just like yours, at the end of the day its upto each individual dev what they work on!
PS. Please go and learn how to use paragraphs and sentence breaks etc as it just gets on your nerves when trying to read big long blocks like that.

ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on

jsmccabe78 said:
ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on
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Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.

TheATHEiST said:
Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.
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Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.

Playing the devil here:
At some point I can understand Peteryoung and I have seen several other people complain about this as well.
I have the HD2 just to toy around next to my E71 which makes it easy to say that I don't need a +90% working image. If something doesn't work tough ... and I will try another.
It would be nice to have the old trusty working roms like the one from Rafdroid updated to the latest working apps and all of the known fixes in 1 package.
I'm no developer but I am sure some of you could tweak the 'older' sense roms and incorperate all the latest working things. The GPS fixes are a nice example.
I personally applaud the devs in that thread for feedback and just trying to get it to work using feedback and interacting on it.
If the devs are focusing on newer type of roms, so be it and let them do it.
Lets face it, Android is fun on the HD2 but still it is a bit 'playing' around.

A retraction
Guys, I'm sorry
I think I was having a right cranky day when I penned that last grouchy missive.
I stand thoroughly ashamed and rightfully corrected on my last thoughts.
I really do appreciate all the work the devs put in for free here. I really do love the older desire roms and I guess I'm getting old, starting to refuse the changes of the times
I take it all back, I guess I really should stick to what I know best and let the youngsters do what they do best...making NEW stuff, not old.
I must say, I feel a little aggrieved at the sheer vitriol my post gained in response, but hey I guess after I'd battered everybody else with my tirade - that's just what I deserve.
Anyway, I hope the community can find it in their collective hearts to forgive this old sinner - I promise I won't write any more critical tirades on xda any more!
Apologies xda, I love you really xx
Peteryoung
P.S - Was the paragraph structure a little easier on the eye this time round?

Some just are not happy with ****...hey, you don't like it, move on back to WM6.5 where everything works. This is not a native android device so be lucky these developers are spending hours and days and more hours and more days so whiney ass spoiled brats like you can use their work for FREE. Be lucky you can even have ANDROID on the HD2! Another thing is there are plenty of what I consider perfect roms to choose from and many I have donated too.
Your apology is a joke you are still just acting like a *****...man up and get over yourself....

fred_up said:
Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.
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Exactly
we are at liberty to choose any rom available here irrespective of the development progress
it is fun to flash...Ah, I miss old time when I had to flash ROM 2-3 times a week
Cheers...

Attention Devs

Didn't want to post this in the dev section because its not very fitting for there..
But anyway,
Was hoping you guys could all get together and make one ULTIMATE rom. Also side note. As many of you know, each rom has a slightly different theme or look to it and some people may love it and some people may not. So PLEASEEEEE post screen shots of your rom. Not worth it to wipe your phone, everything besides sd card, and finish the process to come find out that you dont really like the look. (I havnt done this! Just a suggestion for people who have and they would love you for it)
So for this ultimate rom, preferably of course, ICS. As close as possible to android 4.0.. Especially for the Evo 4G users because we dont get the update in 2012 =/ just boring old 2.3.. bleh.. damn Evo 3D.. Back to my point.
Ive noticed some teams are a team, and throw bits and pieces together from other roms of their team members, but as ive noticed, not ALL seam to work on everything together..
Would be nice to see every team make a ROM, Representing ICS. But using their BEST work to make it the thing their most proud of (besides family of course. Maybe not so much your wife if you hate her).
Im not sure what you guys would think would be most smooth and power efficient, and be as close to stock as possible.. Not sure if Sense or w/e would.. Hopfully you guys do.
Hoping you guys could get in the basics. Camera, 4G, Wifi, etc..

Uh how about.. no

Just putting this out there until there is a good source aka an htc device with ics its hard to do this also I get where your going but trust me the only ultimate rom is one you make for yourself. Not everyone wants the same thing
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nrm5110 said:
Just putting this out there until there is a good source aka an htc device with ics its hard to do this also I get where your going but trust me the only ultimate rom is one you make for yourself. Not everyone wants the same thing
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No no no people will like what i make. All of them will that's just how it works